Healthcare should not be a PROFIT driven field

[Seawytch]

Except that you don't have "socialist" healthcare, sweetie. You earn your healthcare by serving in the military. And so can everyone else crying about healthcare. Problem solved!

And everyone paying taxes will pay for single payer. Duh.

Except that 48% of the nation doesn't pay taxes now genius. Once you move to the model you're proposing, that number will skyrocket to 65% or more. Still haven't figured out how you liberals collapsed Detroit, uh SeaWytch?

Furthermore, it's not my job to pay for someone else's healthcare. They can join the military and earn their healthcare. God knows we need the man power.

Lastly, taxes are not a way to redistribute wealth sweetie (even though you weak-minded liberals have been brainwashed into believing so). They are explicitly for running the government (ie salaries, materials, etc.). So unless you're employed by the government, handing you tax payer money or using that money to pay for something for you is unconstitutional.

That lie isn't going to serve the GOP any better in 2016 than it did in '12, but I like your determination to keep trying.

 

[bripat9643]

Nice of you to give confirmation that I am correct, at least about you.

as if a left-wing nutjob needed confirmation to convince herself she's "correct"

Take a look at the posts on this thread, not a even a little bit of acknowledgement of the problem or sympathy for the afflicted. If you people do not want to be seen as heartless assholes who like it that people die for lack of money then change your shitty tune.

We'll be convinced of your so-called "sympathy" when you write a check for your net worth to pay the medical bills of some poor person. Otherwise, STFU.

 

[bripat9643]

Would anyone care to venture a guess as to what the two most popular healthcare systems in the US with consistently high patient satisfaction are?

The Veterans Administration? You know, that's the system where they put people who have been waiting too long to receive treatment on a special list where they can be ignored and die.

 

[Mr Natural]

In conservative land poor people are practically worthless excess population, why should their misery cost the suits a thin dime? In their cold calculus life itself has been turned into a commodity to be bought, sold and even hoarded.

That's not true. The unborn poor are priceless.

 

[PoliticalChic]

In conservative land poor people are practically worthless excess population, why should their misery cost the suits a thin dime? In their cold calculus life itself has been turned into a commodity to be bought, sold and even hoarded.

What a fool you are.
A lying, slanderous, fool.


"The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA)[1] is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospitals to provide emergency health care treatment to anyone needing it regardless of citizenship, legal status, or ability to pay."
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Bet you don't know who the President was who signed it.

But how many of his worshipers would repeal it if they could?

Link?

 

[deltex1]

Ok. Just to put it bluntly: The ability to save a human life, or vastly improve their life, should NOT be one that is driven by profit.

Whats the answer? Im not sure. People have to get paid for their work, yes. But the HUGE profits being raked in by the pharma companies, hospitals, doctors, etc, at the expense of what?

I recently read of a new pill that can literally cure Hepatitis C. But....the pills are $1,000 each, and a person would need many of them, making the cost prohibitive to insurance companies.

So you have a big pharma company who developed the very expensive pill; And hospitals who can give the very expensive pill; And insurance companies who may have to pay for the pill. And insurance companies don't wanna pay for it.

Just one of many countless examples of how we humans COULD save or help someone.....but, is it profitable? The profit seems to matter more than the end result lately, and it is a bunch of nonsense.

The pure greed of this nation's population is what will destroy us. Not some cavemen in the Middle East.

Find some wood and nails and crucify yourself for the sins of man. The profit motive is the generator of all things valuable.

 

[P@triot]

Well let's see - Japan is bankrupt and about to collapse. UK is bankrupt and about to collapse (in fact, the UK is currently decentralizing their national healthcare).

So that's the model you want to being to America? Dumb ass...

The American Left is so arrogant they think they can repeat the same shit and make it work even after it fails.

Except it hasn't "failed" anywhere.

How classic is this liberal response? I mean, Obama and his incompetent administration coudln't even build a website that functioned properly after spending over $300 million on it, but the left continues to deny their failures.

 

[Mr Natural]

Ok. Just to put it bluntly: The ability to save a human life, or vastly improve their life, should NOT be one that is driven by profit.

Whats the answer? Im not sure. People have to get paid for their work, yes. But the HUGE profits being raked in by the pharma companies, hospitals, doctors, etc, at the expense of what?

I recently read of a new pill that can literally cure Hepatitis C. But....the pills are $1,000 each, and a person would need many of them, making the cost prohibitive to insurance companies.

So you have a big pharma company who developed the very expensive pill; And hospitals who can give the very expensive pill; And insurance companies who may have to pay for the pill. And insurance companies don't wanna pay for it.

Just one of many countless examples of how we humans COULD save or help someone.....but, is it profitable? The profit seems to matter more than the end result lately, and it is a bunch of nonsense.

The pure greed of this nation's population is what will destroy us. Not some cavemen in the Middle East.

Find some wood and nails and crucify yourself for the sins of man. The profit motive is the generator of all things valuable.

All things valuable?

You might want to rethink that.

 

[P@triot]

Ok. Just to put it bluntly: The ability to save a human life, or vastly improve their life, should NOT be one that is driven by profit.

Whats the answer? Im not sure. People have to get paid for their work, yes. But the HUGE profits being raked in by the pharma companies, hospitals, doctors, etc, at the expense of what?

I recently read of a new pill that can literally cure Hepatitis C. But....the pills are $1,000 each, and a person would need many of them, making the cost prohibitive to insurance companies.

So you have a big pharma company who developed the very expensive pill; And hospitals who can give the very expensive pill; And insurance companies who may have to pay for the pill. And insurance companies don't wanna pay for it.

Just one of many countless examples of how we humans COULD save or help someone.....but, is it profitable? The profit seems to matter more than the end result lately, and it is a bunch of nonsense.

The pure greed of this nation's population is what will destroy us. Not some cavemen in the Middle East.

Find some wood and nails and crucify yourself for the sins of man. The profit motive is the generator of all things valuable.

You knocked it out of the park Deltex. These liberals are all altruistic until the moment they have to get in the game. If it's their money, their time, or their labor, you can forget about it.

Every single one of them has the power to control their healthcare "concerns" by becoming a doctor (in the free market), opening a hospital (in the free market), or launching their own insurance company (in the free market), and not a one of them will do it. It would all be Constitutional and they would all be hailed as a hero for doing it. But not one of them will.

Instead, they want to sit on their fat asses all day and call for communism so that the government will place a gun to the head of someone else and force that person to give liberals what liberals are too lazy to do for themselves.

 

[bripat9643]

Yes Bucs, you're absolutely right, there should be no profit in the health of a nation just like there should be no profit in its defense. We should outlaw health profiteering as readily as we did war profiteering.

Until we join the rest of the developed countries and move toward a single payer system, we will continue to fall behind other countries. Tell me, if you were going to start up a company would you do it where healthcare was paid for or where you, the employer has to pay for it? What makes the most business sense?

It will be big business that moves us to a single payer system, not the actual needs of the people unfortunately.

making a profit isnt the same as "profiteering"

why dont you left-wing morons all move to a place with no "greedy" corporations?
i hear North Korea is nice this time of year

Making a profit by denying lifesaving care to sick people is profiteering.

You mean not giving stuff away for free is profiteering? You realize, of course, that your theories about economics are pure idiocy.

 

[Katzndogz]

Are people really this ignorant?

Pharmaceutical companies charge $1,000 a pill because the first pill cost millions, if not billions to make. The companies aren't making a profit off these pills, they are recouping their losses. If you price fix what the pills cost, you won't have any pills because no company will be able to afford to develop these new drugs you want so badly. That's why most of the developments in these new drugs happen here than in Norway or the UK.

All of the countries that have single payer systems also do not have something we have. A legal system that permits suing medical providers for wrongdoing. Medical negligence ending in death or injury gets the survivor and surviving family members a pat on the head and a sympathy card. We don't need single payer to bring down heath care costs. Tort reform would do that right away.

If you do have a system where the government provides basic services and insurance companies provide supplemental policies you end up with a system where any service beyond basic care is denied and only those who can afford insurance or pay out of pocket gets care.

 

[bripat9643]

Take a look at the posts on this thread, not a even a little bit of acknowledgement of the problem or sympathy for the afflicted. If you people do not want to be seen as heartless assholes who like it that people die for lack of money then change your shitty tune.

lol; it's hilarious watching you sanctimonius liberal hypocrites crying phony crocodile tears for the poor given the FACT THAT YOU HAVE CREATED MILLIONS MORE POOR WITH YOUR FAILED POLICIES

Bullshit, where's that river of good jobs and income trickling down? Christ we should all be very well off according to the conservative dogma you people have been preaching like the true gospel for thirty years. It's conservative policies that failed, liberals are just a handy scapegoat.

"Trickle down" is communist economic theory. In the real world, profit making corporations create jobs. I've never worked for a company that lost money every year - at least, not for very long.

 

[bripat9643]

Bullshit, where's that river of good jobs and income trickling down? Christ we should all be very well off according to the conservative dogma you people have been preaching like the true gospel for thirty years. It's conservative policies that failed, liberals are just a handy scapegoat.

LMAO!1
you mindless morons on the Left ikeep forgetting YOU'RE IN CHARGE!1

THIS IS THE EIGHTH-STRAIGHT year of overall Progressive majority rule in the USA
why dont you ask yourselves where the river of good jobs is?

oh wait i know why; because you losers live in a world of denial and projection of your own failures onto others

Progressives are not in charge, we wanted a clean single payer health care system and got this shit. I am probably as sick of fucking democrat neo-cons as you are.

hmmmm ..... your party created this mess. If you think our government will ever produce anything "clean" then you are seriously delusional.

 

[bripat9643]

Ok. Just to put it bluntly: The ability to save a human life, or vastly improve their life, should NOT be one that is driven by profit.

Whats the answer? Im not sure. People have to get paid for their work, yes. But the HUGE profits being raked in by the pharma companies, hospitals, doctors, etc, at the expense of what?

I recently read of a new pill that can literally cure Hepatitis C. But....the pills are $1,000 each, and a person would need many of them, making the cost prohibitive to insurance companies.

So you have a big pharma company who developed the very expensive pill; And hospitals who can give the very expensive pill; And insurance companies who may have to pay for the pill. And insurance companies don't wanna pay for it.

Just one of many countless examples of how we humans COULD save or help someone.....but, is it profitable? The profit seems to matter more than the end result lately, and it is a bunch of nonsense.

The pure greed of this nation's population is what will destroy us. Not some cavemen in the Middle East.

Ahhh, so those who show some interest in health care as a career shall be required to live as 13th century monks, complete with vow of poverty, burlap clothing and wooden bunks, or companies seeking to develop healthcare equipment, machinery or medicines should do so out of thin air.

As with all such price fixing schemes, once the price is set the supply dries up.

Really? Is that how health care professionals live in:

Norway, New Zealand, Japan, Germany, Belgium, UK, Sweden etc? No, of course not. Try harder.

Try getting a doctor in Sweden after 5:00 PM. It's virtually impossible.

 

[bripat9643]

Bullshit, where's that river of good jobs and income trickling down? Christ we should all be very well off according to the conservative dogma you people have been preaching like the true gospel for thirty years. It's conservative policies that failed, liberals are just a handy scapegoat.

Liberals are the one's who forced jobs overseas junior. Do you not understand that life is a competition and whoever makes the best deal, wins? Of course not - what am I saying? You're a liberal, thus an immature idealist.

But let's look at the facts anyway, shall we? Liberals have given us...

• The highest corporate tax rate in the world
• Thus forcing jobs overseas where taxes are lower resulting in lower cost of doing business.
  
• Unions
• No unionized workers inflating salaries, perks, and benefits in China. No unionized workers inflating salaries, perks, and benefits in Indonesia. Once again, a better deal for the business, thus that's where they have taken their jobs.
  
• Regulations
• Certainly don't have the crushing regulations in China and Indonesia that liberals have given us here in America.

Here is the bottom line chief - businesses will go wherever they get the best deal and they will take their jobs with them. So you liberals have to decide whether you want the jobs here in America or over in China. If you want them here, then you need to create an environment where businesses can prosper more here in America than they can over in China.

Your serve, ace....

Slaves, freedom to pollute, offshore tax havens, they were running to something not away from something and conservatives cheered their flight to places where the 19th century was still in effect and would have it blackening our skies again if they had their way.

Mark Zuckerberg ran off to Singapore. Is it polluted? Is it living in the 19th century?

 

[bripat9643]

Remember how freaked out they got over Alan Grayson saying this?

Alan Grayson on the GOP Health Care Plan: "Don't Get Sick! And if You Do Get Sick, Die Quickly!"' - YouTube

And then they turn around and prove it. Shocking!

good one doofus; except that countries with socialized health care have WORSE OUTCOMES fo things like cancer; so it is in these countries that they want them to "hurry up and die"

libs are losers who lie to themselves

oh and nice job using an unhinged far-left loser who threatened to kill his wife as a symbol of your values!!

And that's good enough for you? Would it be good enough if the US military was only superior in one thing? We suck for health care delivery in this country. It is a lie to say we don't.

Government is the cause of all the things about healthcare in this country that suck, especially the high cost. Profit driven corporations are responsible for all the good things in our healthcare system, like life-saving drugs and technology.

BTW, your chart is pure horseshit. It doesn't even say what data its based on. The Common Wealth Fund is a propaganda web site dedicated to converting the U.S. to socialized medicine.

 

[bripat9643]

Really? Is that how health care professionals live in:

Norway, New Zealand, Japan, Germany, Belgium, UK, Sweden etc? No, of course not. Try harder.

planes leave hourly

As much as I appreciate your "love it or leave it" conservative meme, I'd rather stay here in the country I love and work to get the rest of America the socialist healthcare I enjoy.

"That you enjoy?" It's hardly surprising that you're sucking on the government tit. All of the miracle drugs and technology you enjoy were created by private corporations.

 

[Stephanie]

Ok. Just to put it bluntly: The ability to save a human life, or vastly improve their life, should NOT be one that is driven by profit.

Whats the answer? Im not sure. People have to get paid for their work, yes. But the HUGE profits being raked in by the pharma companies, hospitals, doctors, etc, at the expense of what?

I recently read of a new pill that can literally cure Hepatitis C. But....the pills are $1,000 each, and a person would need many of them, making the cost prohibitive to insurance companies.

So you have a big pharma company who developed the very expensive pill; And hospitals who can give the very expensive pill; And insurance companies who may have to pay for the pill. And insurance companies don't wanna pay for it.

Just one of many countless examples of how we humans COULD save or help someone.....but, is it profitable? The profit seems to matter more than the end result lately, and it is a bunch of nonsense.

The pure greed of this nation's population is what will destroy us. Not some cavemen in the Middle East.

Ahhh, so those who show some interest in health care as a career shall be required to live as 13th century monks, complete with vow of poverty, burlap clothing and wooden bunks, or companies seeking to develop healthcare equipment, machinery or medicines should do so out of thin air.

As with all such price fixing schemes, once the price is set the supply dries up.

Evidently in that liberal utopia they have coming for us
while their elected asses in CONGRESS who pushes this crap live in the lap of LUXURY..
we are frikken hopeless as a country...I never thought I'd live to see this day, though I knew it was coming

 

[bripat9643]

People come from all over the world to get healthcare here in America. If nationalized healthcare is so great, why don't people go to England for their healthcare? Better yet, why does the Canadian PM come to America for his life saving heart surgery?!?

Don't let the facts get in the way of your narrative though SeaWytch

We have great care, not great delivery. Yes, we have some of the best...if you can PAY for it. How much is life worth, Puppy?

Yeah, that VA care you get is so great that the VA has a special secret list of people who have been waiting for care for so long that it doesn't want anyone to know about it. Many of these people have died.

Great socialized healthcare system you endorse.

 

[bripat9643]

Well let's see - Japan is bankrupt and about to collapse. UK is bankrupt and about to collapse (in fact, the UK is currently decentralizing their national healthcare).

So that's the model you want to being to America? Dumb ass...

None of which has to do with their healthcare delivery system. Come on, Puppy, you aren't even trying.

Name a country that has abandoned their system and adopted a twisted mess like ours? What? None you say? Imagine that?

Until we move to a two tier system with single payer as a base and insurance companies surviving selling supplemental plans, we will continue to fall behind other developed nations.

England is trying to do it right now sweetie.

And what "mess"? We have the #1 healthcare in the world sweetie. Billionaire oil sheiks spend millions to rent out entire floors at the Cleveland Clinic and the Mayo Clinic. The Canadian PM flew to Florida for life saving heart surgery because he didn't trust his own crappy nationalized healthcare when people get stuck with rusty needles because it's a "not for profit" shitty system.

So come one sweetie, please tell me what is a "twisted mess" about our healthcare system which is #1 in the world? Well? I'm waiting....

I worked at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester MN for a few months. There's a building in town that some wealthy Saudi built specifically so Saudis would have a comfortable place to live while they received treatment at the Mayo Clinic. I've heard it's quite plush.