Healthcare should not be a PROFIT driven field

[bedowin62]

Ok. Just to put it bluntly: The ability to save a human life, or vastly improve their life, should NOT be one that is driven by profit.

Whats the answer? Im not sure. People have to get paid for their work, yes. But the HUGE profits being raked in by the pharma companies, hospitals, doctors, etc, at the expense of what?

I recently read of a new pill that can literally cure Hepatitis C. But....the pills are $1,000 each, and a person would need many of them, making the cost prohibitive to insurance companies.

So you have a big pharma company who developed the very expensive pill; And hospitals who can give the very expensive pill; And insurance companies who may have to pay for the pill. And insurance companies don't wanna pay for it.

Just one of many countless examples of how we humans COULD save or help someone.....but, is it profitable? The profit seems to matter more than the end result lately, and it is a bunch of nonsense.

The pure greed of this nation's population is what will destroy us. Not some cavemen in the Middle East.

Ahhh, so those who show some interest in health care as a career shall be required to live as 13th century monks, complete with vow of poverty, burlap clothing and wooden bunks, or companies seeking to develop healthcare equipment, machinery or medicines should do so out of thin air.

As with all such price fixing schemes, once the price is set the supply dries up.

Really? Is that how health care professionals live in:

Norway, New Zealand, Japan, Germany, Belgium, UK, Sweden etc? No, of course not. Try harder.

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[Seawytch]

That may be the most disturbing admissions of conservative sociopathy I have ever encountered on this board. Who's to decide who's worthless? You? I bet you never have to look very hard to find why anyone deserves to die a miserable death.

Remember how freaked out they got over Alan Grayson saying this?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-usmvYOPfco]Alan Grayson on the GOP Health Care Plan: "Don't Get Sick! And if You Do Get Sick, Die Quickly!"' - YouTube[/ame]

And then they turn around and prove it. Shocking!

good one doofus; except that countries with socialized health care have WORSE OUTCOMES fo things like cancer; so it is in these countries that they want them to "hurry up and die"

libs are losers who lie to themselves

oh and nice job using an unhinged far-left loser who threatened to kill his wife as a symbol of your values!!

And that's good enough for you? Would it be good enough if the US military was only superior in one thing? We suck for health care delivery in this country. It is a lie to say we don't.

 

[P@triot]

In conservative land poor people are practically worthless excess population, why should their misery cost the suits a thin dime? In their cold calculus life itself has been turned into a commodity to be bought, sold and even hoarded.

It's not that poor people are worthless, excess population. It's people who cannot take care of themselves who ARE worthless, excess population. They add nothing to the society and take much more than their share out of it.

Life IS a commodity, like anything else. It has value when it ADDS to society and has none when it does not.

That may be the most disturbing admissions of conservative sociopathy I have ever encountered on this board. Who's to decide who's worthless? You? I bet you never have to look very hard to find why anyone deserves to die a miserable death.

Who is to decide what the cost of healthcare "should" be? You occupied?

 

[Seawytch]

Ahhh, so those who show some interest in health care as a career shall be required to live as 13th century monks, complete with vow of poverty, burlap clothing and wooden bunks, or companies seeking to develop healthcare equipment, machinery or medicines should do so out of thin air.

As with all such price fixing schemes, once the price is set the supply dries up.

Really? Is that how health care professionals live in:

Norway, New Zealand, Japan, Germany, Belgium, UK, Sweden etc? No, of course not. Try harder.

planes leave hourly

As much as I appreciate your "love it or leave it" conservative meme, I'd rather stay here in the country I love and work to get the rest of America the socialist healthcare I enjoy.

 

[bedowin62]

Bullshit, where's that river of good jobs and income trickling down? Christ we should all be very well off according to the conservative dogma you people have been preaching like the true gospel for thirty years. It's conservative policies that failed, liberals are just a handy scapegoat.

Liberals are the one's who forced jobs overseas junior. Do you not understand that life is a competition and whoever makes the best deal, wins? Of course not - what am I saying? You're a liberal, thus an immature idealist.

But let's look at the facts anyway, shall we? Liberals have given us...

• The highest corporate tax rate in the world
• Thus forcing jobs overseas where taxes are lower resulting in lower cost of doing business.
  
• Unions
• No unionized workers inflating salaries, perks, and benefits in China. No unionized workers inflating salaries, perks, and benefits in Indonesia. Once again, a better deal for the business, thus that's where they have taken their jobs.
  
• Regulations
• Certainly don't have the crushing regulations in China and Indonesia that liberals have given us here in America.

Here is the bottom line chief - businesses will go wherever they get the best deal and they will take their jobs with them. So you liberals have to decide whether you want the jobs here in America or over in China. If you want them here, then you need to create an environment where businesses can prosper more here in America than they can over in China.

Your serve, ace....

Slaves, freedom to pollute, offshore tax havens, they were running to something not away from something and conservatives cheered their flight to places where the 19th century was still in effect and would have it blackening our skies again if they had their way.

the Loser Left thinks something is so just because they say it.
what do you expect from people that cant admit their own failures?

the Left chased jobs overseas; and their own cities and states are testimony to their failed policies chasing jobs away

 

[bedowin62]

Really? Is that how health care professionals live in:

Norway, New Zealand, Japan, Germany, Belgium, UK, Sweden etc? No, of course not. Try harder.

planes leave hourly

As much as I appreciate your "love it or leave it" conservative meme, I'd rather stay here in the country I love and work to get the rest of America the socialist healthcare I enjoy.

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ok; good luck with that. it's not looking so good though.
oh and European countries like Great Britain for example are looking to move to a system more like ours

 

[P@triot]

Ok. Just to put it bluntly: The ability to save a human life, or vastly improve their life, should NOT be one that is driven by profit.

Whats the answer? Im not sure. People have to get paid for their work, yes. But the HUGE profits being raked in by the pharma companies, hospitals, doctors, etc, at the expense of what?

I recently read of a new pill that can literally cure Hepatitis C. But....the pills are $1,000 each, and a person would need many of them, making the cost prohibitive to insurance companies.

So you have a big pharma company who developed the very expensive pill; And hospitals who can give the very expensive pill; And insurance companies who may have to pay for the pill. And insurance companies don't wanna pay for it.

Just one of many countless examples of how we humans COULD save or help someone.....but, is it profitable? The profit seems to matter more than the end result lately, and it is a bunch of nonsense.

The pure greed of this nation's population is what will destroy us. Not some cavemen in the Middle East.

Ahhh, so those who show some interest in health care as a career shall be required to live as 13th century monks, complete with vow of poverty, burlap clothing and wooden bunks, or companies seeking to develop healthcare equipment, machinery or medicines should do so out of thin air.

As with all such price fixing schemes, once the price is set the supply dries up.

Really? Is that how health care professionals live in:

Norway, New Zealand, Japan, Germany, Belgium, UK, Sweden etc? No, of course not. Try harder.

Well let's see - Japan is bankrupt and about to collapse. UK is bankrupt and about to collapse (in fact, the UK is currently decentralizing their national healthcare).

So that's the model you want to being to America? Dumb ass...

 

[bedowin62]

Remember how freaked out they got over Alan Grayson saying this?

Alan Grayson on the GOP Health Care Plan: "Don't Get Sick! And if You Do Get Sick, Die Quickly!"' - YouTube

And then they turn around and prove it. Shocking!

good one doofus; except that countries with socialized health care have WORSE OUTCOMES fo things like cancer; so it is in these countries that they want them to "hurry up and die"

libs are losers who lie to themselves

oh and nice job using an unhinged far-left loser who threatened to kill his wife as a symbol of your values!!

And that's good enough for you? Would it be good enough if the US military was only superior in one thing? We suck for health care delivery in this country. It is a lie to say we don't.

YAWN
everybody got their statistics

 

[Stephanie]

not only is liberalism a mental disorder

now they want to say who and what can make a profit in this country

this little mottos fits also:
scratch a liberals find a red boned FASCIST

 

[P@triot]

Bullshit, where's that river of good jobs and income trickling down? Christ we should all be very well off according to the conservative dogma you people have been preaching like the true gospel for thirty years. It's conservative policies that failed, liberals are just a handy scapegoat.

Liberals are the one's who forced jobs overseas junior. Do you not understand that life is a competition and whoever makes the best deal, wins? Of course not - what am I saying? You're a liberal, thus an immature idealist.

But let's look at the facts anyway, shall we? Liberals have given us...

• The highest corporate tax rate in the world
• Thus forcing jobs overseas where taxes are lower resulting in lower cost of doing business.
  
• Unions
• No unionized workers inflating salaries, perks, and benefits in China. No unionized workers inflating salaries, perks, and benefits in Indonesia. Once again, a better deal for the business, thus that's where they have taken their jobs.
  
• Regulations
• Certainly don't have the crushing regulations in China and Indonesia that liberals have given us here in America.

Here is the bottom line chief - businesses will go wherever they get the best deal and they will take their jobs with them. So you liberals have to decide whether you want the jobs here in America or over in China. If you want them here, then you need to create an environment where businesses can prosper more here in America than they can over in China.

Your serve, ace....

Slaves, freedom to pollute, offshore tax havens, they were running to something not away from something and conservatives cheered their flight to places where the 19th century was still in effect and would have it blackening our skies again if they had their way.

And why would they need to "run" if Dumbocrats weren't punishing them and putting them out of business?

I'll say it again - who ever gives business the best deal gets the business and the jobs that come with it. Dumbocrats have forced jobs overseas where they will remain until you liberals stop this INSANE spread-the-wealth communism.

 

[bedowin62]

the systems the American Left want here will collapse under their own weight; ESPECIALLY with liberals running them!

just look at the "socialized" systems we already have; the things many on the Left say are examples of Socialism that we have had for over a hundred years....

i.e the public education system; neck-deep in liberals; is FAILING


Medicaid; rife with waste fraud and abuse

SS, MEDICAID AND MEDICARE have together over $100 TRILLION IN UNFUNDED MANDATES

libs are losers who lie to themselves

 

[P@triot]

Really? Is that how health care professionals live in:

Norway, New Zealand, Japan, Germany, Belgium, UK, Sweden etc? No, of course not. Try harder.

planes leave hourly

As much as I appreciate your "love it or leave it" conservative meme, I'd rather stay here in the country I love and work to get the rest of America the socialist healthcare I enjoy.

Except that you don't have "socialist" healthcare, sweetie. You earn your healthcare by serving in the military. And so can everyone else crying about healthcare. Problem solved!

 

[Seawytch]

Ahhh, so those who show some interest in health care as a career shall be required to live as 13th century monks, complete with vow of poverty, burlap clothing and wooden bunks, or companies seeking to develop healthcare equipment, machinery or medicines should do so out of thin air.

As with all such price fixing schemes, once the price is set the supply dries up.

Really? Is that how health care professionals live in:

Norway, New Zealand, Japan, Germany, Belgium, UK, Sweden etc? No, of course not. Try harder.

Well let's see - Japan is bankrupt and about to collapse. UK is bankrupt and about to collapse (in fact, the UK is currently decentralizing their national healthcare).

So that's the model you want to being to America? Dumb ass...

None of which has to do with their healthcare delivery system. Come on, Puppy, you aren't even trying.

Name a country that has abandoned their system and adopted a twisted mess like ours? What? None you say? Imagine that?

Until we move to a two tier system with single payer as a base and insurance companies surviving selling supplemental plans, we will continue to fall behind other developed nations.

 

[Seawytch]

planes leave hourly

As much as I appreciate your "love it or leave it" conservative meme, I'd rather stay here in the country I love and work to get the rest of America the socialist healthcare I enjoy.

Except that you don't have "socialist" healthcare, sweetie. You earn your healthcare by serving in the military. And so can everyone else crying about healthcare. Problem solved!

And everyone paying taxes will pay for single payer. Duh.

 

[P@triot]

People come from all over the world to get healthcare here in America. If nationalized healthcare is so great, why don't people go to England for their healthcare? Better yet, why does the Canadian PM come to America for his life saving heart surgery?!?

Don't let the facts get in the way of your narrative though SeaWytch

 

[The T]

Ahhh, so those who show some interest in health care as a career shall be required to live as 13th century monks, complete with vow of poverty, burlap clothing and wooden bunks, or companies seeking to develop healthcare equipment, machinery or medicines should do so out of thin air.

As with all such price fixing schemes, once the price is set the supply dries up.

Really? Is that how health care professionals live in:

Norway, New Zealand, Japan, Germany, Belgium, UK, Sweden etc? No, of course not. Try harder.

Well let's see - Japan is bankrupt and about to collapse. UK is bankrupt and about to collapse (in fact, the UK is currently decentralizing their national healthcare).

So that's the model you want to being to America? Dumb ass...

The American Left is so arrogant they think they can repeat the same shit and make it work even after it fails.

 

[Seawytch]

People come from all over the world to get healthcare here in America. If nationalized healthcare is so great, why don't people go to England for their healthcare? Better yet, why does the Canadian PM come to America for his life saving heart surgery?!?

Don't let the facts get in the way of your narrative though SeaWytch

We have great care, not great delivery. Yes, we have some of the best...if you can PAY for it. How much is life worth, Puppy?

 

[The T]

People come from all over the world to get healthcare here in America. If nationalized healthcare is so great, why don't people go to England for their healthcare? Better yet, why does the Canadian PM come to America for his life saving heart surgery?!?

Don't let the facts get in the way of your narrative though SeaWytch

We have great care, not great delivery. Yes, we have some of the best...if you can PAY for it. How much is life worth, Puppy?

Tell us about IPAB (Death Panels) contained in ObamaCare SeaBuscuit?

 

[Seawytch]

Really? Is that how health care professionals live in:

Norway, New Zealand, Japan, Germany, Belgium, UK, Sweden etc? No, of course not. Try harder.

Well let's see - Japan is bankrupt and about to collapse. UK is bankrupt and about to collapse (in fact, the UK is currently decentralizing their national healthcare).

So that's the model you want to being to America? Dumb ass...

The American Left is so arrogant they think they can repeat the same shit and make it work even after it fails.

Except it hasn't "failed" anywhere.

 

[P@triot]

Really? Is that how health care professionals live in:

Norway, New Zealand, Japan, Germany, Belgium, UK, Sweden etc? No, of course not. Try harder.

Well let's see - Japan is bankrupt and about to collapse. UK is bankrupt and about to collapse (in fact, the UK is currently decentralizing their national healthcare).

So that's the model you want to being to America? Dumb ass...

None of which has to do with their healthcare delivery system. Come on, Puppy, you aren't even trying.

Name a country that has abandoned their system and adopted a twisted mess like ours? What? None you say? Imagine that?

Until we move to a two tier system with single payer as a base and insurance companies surviving selling supplemental plans, we will continue to fall behind other developed nations.

England is trying to do it right now sweetie.

And what "mess"? We have the #1 healthcare in the world sweetie. Billionaire oil sheiks spend millions to rent out entire floors at the Cleveland Clinic and the Mayo Clinic. The Canadian PM flew to Florida for life saving heart surgery because he didn't trust his own crappy nationalized healthcare when people get stuck with rusty needles because it's a "not for profit" shitty system.

So come one sweetie, please tell me what is a "twisted mess" about our healthcare system which is #1 in the world? Well? I'm waiting....