Healthcare should not be a PROFIT driven field

[Listening]

Ok. Just to put it bluntly: The ability to save a human life, or vastly improve their life, should NOT be one that is driven by profit.

Whats the answer? Im not sure. People have to get paid for their work, yes. But the HUGE profits being raked in by the pharma companies, hospitals, doctors, etc, at the expense of what?

I recently read of a new pill that can literally cure Hepatitis C. But....the pills are $1,000 each, and a person would need many of them, making the cost prohibitive to insurance companies.

So you have a big pharma company who developed the very expensive pill; And hospitals who can give the very expensive pill; And insurance companies who may have to pay for the pill. And insurance companies don't wanna pay for it.

Just one of many countless examples of how we humans COULD save or help someone.....but, is it profitable? The profit seems to matter more than the end result lately, and it is a bunch of nonsense.

The pure greed of this nation's population is what will destroy us. Not some cavemen in the Middle East.

If you get Hepatitis by using a needle, then you don't get the drug. How about that ?

Why should someone else pay for your bad choices.

Why are we forced to pay for all the fatties that have diabetes ? They got fat on their own.

But in liberal land....we should be "understanding".

I understand this....when a mom who has a 200# eight grader keeps stuffing him full of Big Macs.....she should be force to set aside half her check to take care of him in the future.

That works for me.

You mean by abusing IV drugs. I'm diabetic and I use a needle every day to inject insulin. Should I get the drug if I contract hepatitis?

My mistake.....hep seems to be a common issue with drug abusers......

 

[Listening]

making a profit isnt the same as "profiteering"

why dont you left-wing morons all move to a place with no "greedy" corporations?
i hear North Korea is nice this time of year

Making a profit by denying lifesaving care to sick people is profiteering.

Then go to medical school, become a licensed physician, and offer your "life saving" abilities to people at a price they can afford.

I love how liberals spend all day on USMB crying about the problems, but none one of them is willing to get up off of their ass and get in the game to solve the problem. Instead, they want to implement communism and force a physician to perform his/her labor at the barrel of a gun. Brilliant....

And of course the AMA does not regulate the number of doctors to keep salaries up.

Why don't we start there. Regulate their salaries. That way, the best and brightest will drop out and the guy doing your heat transplant will the guy who should have been working on your car.

 

[P@triot]

The American Left is so arrogant they think they can repeat the same shit and make it work even after it fails.

Except it hasn't "failed" anywhere.

I'm fascinated by your ability to ignore reality in favor of idealism. Please tell us again how liberalism "hasn't failed anywhere"...

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(Only the cancer known as liberalism could be inefficient enough as to require $180 million for a simple fuck'n website and still not be able to make it work)

 

[thereisnospoon]

Ok. Just to put it bluntly: The ability to save a human life, or vastly improve their life, should NOT be one that is driven by profit.

Whats the answer? Im not sure. People have to get paid for their work, yes. But the HUGE profits being raked in by the pharma companies, hospitals, doctors, etc, at the expense of what?

I recently read of a new pill that can literally cure Hepatitis C. But....the pills are $1,000 each, and a person would need many of them, making the cost prohibitive to insurance companies.

So you have a big pharma company who developed the very expensive pill; And hospitals who can give the very expensive pill; And insurance companies who may have to pay for the pill. And insurance companies don't wanna pay for it.

Just one of many countless examples of how we humans COULD save or help someone.....but, is it profitable? The profit seems to matter more than the end result lately, and it is a bunch of nonsense.

The pure greed of this nation's population is what will destroy us. Not some cavemen in the Middle East.

Most hospitals are not for profit organizations. They range from teaching to municipal to university based. Then there are companies which are for profit.
Here's a list of the top 50 grossing private for profit facilities.
50 Top-Grossing For-Profit Hospitals
This link shows the while SOME pharma companies do make a nice chink of change, some are down under 5% annual profit.
The Average Profit Margin of Pharmaceuticals | Business & Entrepreneurship - azcentral.com
Surely you do not expect these companies to operate at break even, do you?
Much of their net profits go right back into the business of developing new drugs. Yes, the investors receive their dividends. So what? They are risking their money to realize growth.
Now lets take your Hepatitis pill....YOu say the cost is $1000 per dose. Ok, without asking for a link, for a moment let us stipulate that the price is accurate..Now, just what do you think the cost to the manufacturer could be if each dose costs a Grand?
Do you really believe that it costs like a Dollar to make and the company is charging $1k just to be a bunch of pricks?
Also, let us not forget that this Hepatitis drug is made by ONE company. That company has a legal patent lasting a finite amount of time. Then by law the patent expires and other makers may produce the drug and sell it under a generic name. The cost to the patient then tumbles.
This is not an argument in support of pharma companies. I am simply pointing out that there are costs to doing business which must be passed along to the consumer.
If you think there should be a prohibition on Pharma companies from turning a profit, watch how fast these companies close their US Operations and move overseas. This would no doubt be at the cost of hundreds of thousands of jobs.
Just because I understand the system does not in any way indicate approval.

 

[Anathema]

That may be the most disturbing admissions of conservative sociopathy I have ever encountered on this board.

Trust me, that's not even the half of it with me, but since I haven't been here long, I'm sure you folks will get to know that soon enough.

Who's to decide who's worthless? You? I bet you never have to look very hard to find why anyone deserves to die a miserable death.

That depends on the individual.....

Does the majority of their monthly income come from the Private Sector or from the Government?

Is their health care covered by a Private insurance provider or by the Government?

Is the majority of their grocery allowance for the month provided by themselves or by the Government?

Did they actually pay any income taxes the previous year?

If the answer to any of these things is YES, then you need to consider WHY is it that this individual is either taking this from the Government, or why is it that they paid no taxes?....

Is this individual a "taker" due to the consequences of an action, decision, or issue which they caused themselves (dropping out of school, unwed parent, criminal, etc...)

OR

Is this individual a "taker" due to the consequences of something that was beyond their control (injury which they did not cause, mental health issue, etc....)

IF the individual can honestly answer "NO" to the first series of questions OR can answer that they are a "taker" due to something beyond their control, then they are NOT worthless. IF they can't answer "NO" to ecerything in the first series and the cause of that is of their own doing then they ARE worthless.

 

[P@triot]

Making a profit by denying lifesaving care to sick people is profiteering.

Then go to medical school, become a licensed physician, and offer your "life saving" abilities to people at a price they can afford.

I love how liberals spend all day on USMB crying about the problems, but none one of them is willing to get up off of their ass and get in the game to solve the problem. Instead, they want to implement communism and force a physician to perform his/her labor at the barrel of a gun. Brilliant....

And of course the AMA does not regulate the number of doctors to keep salaries up.

Why don't we start there. Regulate their salaries. That way, the best and brightest will drop out and the guy doing your heat transplant will the guy who should have been working on your car.

That's exactly what liberals want and that is exactly what will happen if they have their way. Our healthcare will become as shitty as Cuba's 3rd-world-country 1700's healthcare as our best and brightest go into a field where they can actually make money and heart transplants will actually be performed by the guy taking automotive shop class in high school. Welcome to SeaWytch's view of America!

 

[Stephanie]

Face it, you've been sold out to the socialist/commies by BOTH PARTIES in your government and especially, DEMOCRATS

how you didn't see this coming, you were warned

just a shame to watch your freedoms and being a free people dying by swallowing all this propaganda by them

glad I lived 60 years with most of freedoms

 

[thereisnospoon]

In conservative land poor people are practically worthless excess population, why should their misery cost the suits a thin dime? In their cold calculus life itself has been turned into a commodity to be bought, sold and even hoarded.

Enter the straw man.

 

[The Rabbi]

Well let's see - Japan is bankrupt and about to collapse. UK is bankrupt and about to collapse (in fact, the UK is currently decentralizing their national healthcare).

So that's the model you want to being to America? Dumb ass...

The American Left is so arrogant they think they can repeat the same shit and make it work even after it fails.

Except it hasn't "failed" anywhere.

It has failed everywhere. Every country in Europe with socialized medicine has experienced the same thing, exploding costs and rationed care.
I post this probably every other week, with links, and the idiot leftists just keep repeating the same shit.

If you put the government in charge of the Sahara within 5 years we'd have a shortage of sand.
Healthcare is a good/service just like any other. Just like food. Should food be free? Should anyone make a profit selling food? You'd die without food. What is your life worth, Seabytch?

 

[The Rabbi]

In conservative land poor people are practically worthless excess population, why should their misery cost the suits a thin dime? In their cold calculus life itself has been turned into a commodity to be bought, sold and even hoarded.

Enter the straw man.

It's all they've got. And it's a projection because if anyone thinks that way, it's liberals. Who has enthusiastically endorsed the notion of QALYs?

 

[P@triot]

The American Left is so arrogant they think they can repeat the same shit and make it work even after it fails.

Except it hasn't "failed" anywhere.

I'm fascinated by your ability to ignore reality in favor of idealism. Please tell us again how liberalism "hasn't failed anywhere"...

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[Cecilie1200]

Ok. Just to put it bluntly: The ability to save a human life, or vastly improve their life, should NOT be one that is driven by profit.

Whats the answer? Im not sure. People have to get paid for their work, yes. But the HUGE profits being raked in by the pharma companies, hospitals, doctors, etc, at the expense of what?

I recently read of a new pill that can literally cure Hepatitis C. But....the pills are $1,000 each, and a person would need many of them, making the cost prohibitive to insurance companies.

So you have a big pharma company who developed the very expensive pill; And hospitals who can give the very expensive pill; And insurance companies who may have to pay for the pill. And insurance companies don't wanna pay for it.

Just one of many countless examples of how we humans COULD save or help someone.....but, is it profitable? The profit seems to matter more than the end result lately, and it is a bunch of nonsense.

The pure greed of this nation's population is what will destroy us. Not some cavemen in the Middle East.

So let me get this straight. No one is ever allowed to profit or benefit from the ability to produce any good or service that anyone might at some point be able to say, "I really need that. It's important that I have that." Those things must be provided to others as a charitable service at someone else's expense - because, sorry, in the real world everything has a cost, whether you're too selfish to pay it yourself or not - and profit can only be made off of things that are useless and unwanted.

Is that about the size of it? Or are we just supposed to define it as YOU should be given everything that YOU want for no cost to YOU?

Speaking of greed, how about YOUR insistence on getting others' talent, training, and skill for free?

 

[P@triot]

The American Left is so arrogant they think they can repeat the same shit and make it work even after it fails.

Except it hasn't "failed" anywhere.

I'm fascinated by your ability to ignore reality in favor of idealism. Please tell us again how liberalism "hasn't failed anywhere"...

Union Group: Obamacare Is Making Inequality Worse

 

[P@triot]

The American Left is so arrogant they think they can repeat the same shit and make it work even after it fails.

Except it hasn't "failed" anywhere.

I'm fascinated by your ability to ignore reality in favor of idealism. Please tell us again how liberalism "hasn't failed anywhere"...

President Obama recently admitted that Obamacare will cause some Americans to lose their doctors. Some have suggested that his promise “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor” should be 2014’s “Lie of the Year.” But what about his promise that Obamacare would lower premiums by $2,500 per family?

As we—what’s the opposite of celebrate?—the fourth anniversary of Obamacare’s passage this weekend, Americans have already seen their premiums double or even triple. And premiums aren’t finished going up.

Obamacare and Health Insurance Premiums: Have You Saved $2,500?

 

[P@triot]

The American Left is so arrogant they think they can repeat the same shit and make it work even after it fails.

Except it hasn't "failed" anywhere.

I'm fascinated by your ability to ignore reality in favor of idealism. Please tell us again how liberalism "hasn't failed anywhere"...

Top Dem pollster: "Don't defend Obamacare, call it flawed from the beginning"



Top Dem pollster: 'Don't defend' Obamacare, call it 'flawed from the beginning' | WashingtonExaminer.com

 

[P@triot]

The American Left is so arrogant they think they can repeat the same shit and make it work even after it fails.

Except it hasn't "failed" anywhere.

I'm fascinated by your ability to ignore reality in favor of idealism. Please tell us again how liberalism "hasn't failed anywhere"...

• For young adults, premiums will increase 171% in Arkansas, 168% in Georgia, and 156% in Arizona
  
  
• An adult age 50 faces an 81% increase in Indiana, 75% in Florida, 74% in Connecticut, and 72% in Kansas.
  
  
• For a family of four, premiums will rise by 31% in North Dakota and 29% in Texas

So much for the liberal LIE that Obamacare will lower healthcare costs...

 

[P@triot]

The American Left is so arrogant they think they can repeat the same shit and make it work even after it fails.

Except it hasn't "failed" anywhere.

I'm fascinated by your ability to ignore reality in favor of idealism. Please tell us again how liberalism "hasn't failed anywhere"...

President Obama wants you to know that he gets it.

You just don’t understand how much better Obamacare is going to make your life; you’re afraid of change. It’s okay, he wants you to know; he understands.

“There are some people who have very bad insurance, but they don’t know it because they don’t understand the fine print,” Obama said yesterday.

Wasn’t that thoughtful? You don’t know what you’re talking about, because you don’t understand what’s good for you. But the Obama Administration will try to make you feel better for another year…oh, and hopefully those of you who still have your old insurance won’t get cancellation notices right before the midterm election.

Yesterday, an official with the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) was asked: How many uninsured Americans are signing up for Obamacare?

“That's not a data point that we are really collecting in any sort of systematic way,” CMS’s Gary Cohen said.

That’s right. One of the big selling points for President Obama was that Obamacare would insure the uninsured. And now the Administration doesn’t even know whether the people signing up had insurance to begin with.

Latest Obamacare Delay, Insurance Cancellations, and Uninsured Signups

 

[Lenore]

It needs to be a profit driven field because our health providers need the latest equipment and training.

That was easy.

 

[P@triot]

The American Left is so arrogant they think they can repeat the same shit and make it work even after it fails.

Except it hasn't "failed" anywhere.

I'm fascinated by your ability to ignore reality in favor of idealism. Please tell us again how liberalism "hasn't failed anywhere"...

Your workplace health insurance costs $1,200 more - Economy

 

[P@triot]

It needs to be a profit driven field because our health providers need the latest equipment and training.

That was easy.

It's not even a debate anymore and hasn't been for about 30 years. With liberal policy you get Detroit, Cuba, and the former U.S.S.R. (in other words, collapse, poverty, and misery).

With free market conservatism, you get prosperity. We have the #1 healthcare in the world and it's not even close. It can't be debated. We're #1 because we didn't move to the ignorant socialized model that liberals are pushing.

Notice none of them ever pick up and move to Cuba or Canada? I wonder why, since people like SeaWytch rave about their healthcare systems.