Hellholes, the future of America

[Oldguy]

If we continue our policies, all of American will look like Detroit.

American Hellholes

The U.S. economy is dying and we are heading for the next Great Depression. The talking heads in the mainstream media love to spin the economic numbers around and around and they love to make it sound like the economy is improving, but the truth is that it doesn't take a genius to see what is happening to the U.S. economic system. All over the nation many of our greatest cities are being slowly but surely transformed into post-apocalyptic wastelands. All over the mid-Atlantic, all along the Gulf coast, all throughout the "rust belt" and all over the entire state of California cities that once had incredibly vibrant economies are being turned into rotting, post-industrial hellholes. In many U.S. cities, the "real" rate of unemployment is over 30 percent. There are some communities that will start depressing you almost the moment that you drive into them. It is almost as if all of the hope has been sucked right out of those communities. If you live in one of those American hellholes you know what I am talking about. Sadly, it is not just a few cities that are becoming hellholes. This is happening in the east, in the west, in the north and in the south. America is literally being transformed right in front of our eyes.

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And, if we follow Republican policies of cutting off social services and despising the poor, most of America will end up looking like this:

Tent City Lakewood NJ

 

[Nova78]

Denver has turned into a shit hole of beggers ,gangbangers ,and asswipes ....

 

[Truthseeker420]

Detroit is a good example of Reaganomics. Large income gaps, a few very weathy and a lot of poor people.

Top 10 Wealthiest U.S. Cities for 2012

Nope a good example when you keep voting for democrate and getting in bed with Unions
Detroit: The Triumph of Progressive Public Policy [Michigan Capitol Confidential]

n 1950, Detroit was the wealthiest city in America on a per capita income basis. Today, the Census Bureau reports that it is the nation's 2nd poorest major city, just "edging out"Cleveland.

9. Detroit

No. millionaires: 92,100
Change in millionaires: 3.4%
Change in home value: -13.3%
Fortune 500 HQ: Ford, GM
Unemployment rate: 11.6%

It is a surprise that Detroit has a single millionaire, let alone over 90,000. Both the car industry and the large number of companies that supported it with parts, technology and components like tires all suffered as sales fell. GM and Chrysler went into bankruptcy. But the industry has begun an unexpected renaissance. GM and Ford are routinely the top two manufacturers of cars sold in the U.S. Each has cut costs enough to insure profitability. Michigan has offered tax incentives to bring new industries to the Detroit area, helping it become a modest center for small tech firms.


American Cities With The Most Millionaires: 24/7 Wall St.

Like I said very rich and a lot of very poor.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Detroit is a good example of Reaganomics. Large income gaps, a few very weathy and a lot of poor people.

Top 10 Wealthiest U.S. Cities for 2012

Nope a good example when you keep voting for democrate and getting in bed with Unions
Detroit: The Triumph of Progressive Public Policy [Michigan Capitol Confidential]

9. Detroit

No. millionaires: 92,100
Change in millionaires: 3.4%
Change in home value: -13.3%
Fortune 500 HQ: Ford, GM
Unemployment rate: 11.6%

It is a surprise that Detroit has a single millionaire, let alone over 90,000. Both the car industry and the large number of companies that supported it with parts, technology and components like tires all suffered as sales fell. GM and Chrysler went into bankruptcy. But the industry has begun an unexpected renaissance. GM and Ford are routinely the top two manufacturers of cars sold in the U.S. Each has cut costs enough to insure profitability. Michigan has offered tax incentives to bring new industries to the Detroit area, helping it become a modest center for small tech firms.


American Cities With The Most Millionaires: 24/7 Wall St.

Like I said very rich and a lot of very poor.

You still refuse to see why it happend that way? They screwed up, Southern citys were never industrial power houses but Detroit once was and Japan is still making $1,000~$2,000 more off their cars then Detroit is and where does that money go? To Japan. and remember, Detroit was going to be the 'Model City' of
Lyndon Johnson's Great Society.........FAIL.....

 

[Vandalshandle]

If we continue our policies, all of American will look like Detroit.

American Hellholes

Why aren't Republicans trying to create jobs?

How can you in those environments?
As much as you hate business, they're not into setting up shop in places more dangerous than warzones..

Good point! Since republicans can not possibly create any jobs in this environment, and presumably, can not change the environment, either, what is the point of voting or them?

 

[Katzndogz]

Both Detroit and Chicago are democrat end games. It's what happens when democrats are completely in charge.

 

[Oldguy]

Southern citys were never industrial power houses

That's not so. Just a generation or so ago, North Carolina ranked something like 4th among all states in the value of its industrial production. That was based mainly upon the textile industry which has since gone overseas. South Carolina and Georgia also had a vibrant textile industry and were the primary producers of carpeting, underwear and bath towels. Southeast Texas and southern Louisiana are still the center of the petrochemical and refining industry, generating literally hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs. Birmingham, AL was once known as the "Pittsburgh of the South" because of the number of steel mills there and it was the largest producer of railroad rolling stock in the United States. Smaller industrial cities existed all over the South, a good many of them dependent upon the lumber and paper industry.

The point is that what you see in Detroit was replicated throughout the South. The landscape is littered with abandoned factories and depressed neighborhoods. The only difference is that it's not concentrated in a single city.

You can point to Detroit and try to make the case that "liberals" caused it all, but you'll have a harder time doing that with the South. The off-shoring of southern states productivity and wealth continued apace through various administrations headed by both parties and, since at least the 1980's, the South has been predominantly Republican.

 

[Oldguy]

Darn. Looks like I killed another one.

Isn't in interesting how pesky little things like facts are always the antidote to extremist, right-wing bullshit theories?

 

[tjvh]

Detroit is what you get when liberal ideas go unchallenged. The left gets full credit for that city. Yea, good job, libs.

No, Detroit is what happens when you don't protect your own industries and other countries promote theirs.

So let's look at Detroit, which was the fourth largest city in the 1940's, a bustling, wealthy metropolis...

It started when we wanted to prop up Japan. Wouldn't want them going communist or something. So we sent over a bunch of guys like Demming to show them how to fix their auto industry. Then we subsidized it by buying vehicles from them for the Korean War.

And while Japan subsidized her Auto INdustry, we used ours as a cash cow.

Until the Japanese passed us up.

Cleveland is in pretty much the same boat as Detroit, and it's been run by Republicans much of the time.

Wow, nothing about GM using our stimulus money to build cars in China under Obama's watch. Why am I not surprised?

 

[Spoonman]

If we continue our policies, all of American will look like Detroit.

American Hellholes

The U.S. economy is dying and we are heading for the next Great Depression. The talking heads in the mainstream media love to spin the economic numbers around and around and they love to make it sound like the economy is improving, but the truth is that it doesn't take a genius to see what is happening to the U.S. economic system. All over the nation many of our greatest cities are being slowly but surely transformed into post-apocalyptic wastelands. All over the mid-Atlantic, all along the Gulf coast, all throughout the "rust belt" and all over the entire state of California cities that once had incredibly vibrant economies are being turned into rotting, post-industrial hellholes. In many U.S. cities, the "real" rate of unemployment is over 30 percent. There are some communities that will start depressing you almost the moment that you drive into them. It is almost as if all of the hope has been sucked right out of those communities. If you live in one of those American hellholes you know what I am talking about. Sadly, it is not just a few cities that are becoming hellholes. This is happening in the east, in the west, in the north and in the south. America is literally being transformed right in front of our eyes.

Why aren't Republicans trying to create jobs?

they are, but the obstructionist democrats in the senate keep blocking them.

 

[WillowTree]

Detroit is what you get when liberal ideas go unchallenged. The left gets full credit for that city. Yea, good job, libs.

Add Oakland, Sacramento and the entire fucked up state of California too.

 

[Spoonman]

Detroit is what you get when liberal ideas go unchallenged. The left gets full credit for that city. Yea, good job, libs.

Add Oakland, Sacramento and the entire fucked up state of California too.

california is no longer the state of the care free beach bum.

 

[WillowTree]

actually you fucking moron, the Republicans have passed several jobs bills in the HOUSE Harry fucking Reid won't bring them to the floor of the Senate. Why don't you ask democrats about those bills? Why? because you're a fucking moron.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Chicago, Illinois, 60652

 

[WillowTree]

Not possible. the democrats are the majority.

 

[TemplarKormac]

actually you fucking moron, the Republicans have passed several jobs bills in the HOUSE Harry fucking Reid won't bring them to the floor of the Senate. Why don't you ask democrats about those bills? Why? because you're a fucking moron.

Is it just me, or have Democrats not introduced a jobs bill in either house since they passed Obamacare?

 

[Spoonman]

actually you fucking moron, the Republicans have passed several jobs bills in the HOUSE Harry fucking Reid won't bring them to the floor of the Senate. Why don't you ask democrats about those bills? Why? because you're a fucking moron.

here's just a few of them

Republican Jobs Bills Blocked By Democrats


1) H.R. 872—Reducing Regulatory Burdens Act: The bill would amend the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act (FIFRA) to clarify that the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) or a state may not require a permit under the Federal Water Pollution Control Act for the application of pesticides regulated under FIFRA. By removing duplicative requirements, the bill would reduce overlapping and unnecessary regulation on pesticides that are already regulated, thereby reducing costs to both farmers and small business owners.

2) H.R. 910—Energy Tax Prevention Act of 2011: H.R. 910 would prohibit the EPA from regulating greenhouse gases to address climate change under the Clean Air Act. More specifically, the bill would prohibit the EPA from regulating: water vapor; carbon dioxide; methane; nitrous oxide; and any other substance subject to regulation, action or consideration under the Clean Air Act to address climate change. The bill would prevent a needless increase in energy prices for American households and businesses.

3) H.J.Res. 37—Disapproving the rule submitted by the Federal Communications Commission with respect to regulating the Internet and broadband industry practices: The bill would prohibit the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) from implementing a net-neutrality rule which would prohibit Internet providers from slowing or blocking legal websites or Internet services because of concerns over bandwidth. In May 2010, seventy-four House Democrats sent a letter to FCC Chairman Genachowski making the case that net-neutrality rules will “jeopardize jobs” and “should not be done without additional direction from Congress.”

4) H.R. 1230—Restarting American Offshore Leasing Now Act: H.R. 1230 would require the Department of the Interior (DOI) to auction offshore oil and gas leases in the Central and Western Gulf of Mexico, as well as in an area off the coast of Virginia. The bill would help to reduce energy prices and promote job creation by expediting offshore oil and natural gas exploration in the Gulf of Mexico and the Virginia coast.

5) H.R. 1229—Putting the Gulf of Mexico Back to Work Act: H.R. 1229 would direct the Secretary of the Interior to require that any lessee operating under an approved exploration plan obtain a permit before drilling any well, and obtain a new permit before drilling any well of a design that is significantly different than the design for which an existing permit was issued. The bill would prohibit the Secretary from issuing a permit without ensuring that the proposed drilling operations meet all critical safety system requirements (including blowout prevention), and oil spill response and containment requirements.

6) H.R. 1231—Reversing President Obama's Offshore Moratorium Act: H.R. 1231 would require that each five-year offshore oil and gas leasing program offer leasing in the areas with the most prospective oil and gas resources, and would establish a domestic oil and natural gas production goal. The bill would essentially lift the President's ban on new offshore drilling by requiring the Administration to move forward on American energy production in areas estimated to contain the most oil and natural gas resources.

7) H.R. 2021—The Jobs and Energy Permitting Act of 2011: H.R. 2021 would eliminate needless permitting delays that have stalled important energy production opportunities off the coast of Alaska. The bill would also eliminate the permitting back-and-forth that occurs between the EPA and its Environmental Appeals Board. Rather than having exploration air permits repeatedly approved and rescinded by the agency and its review board, the EPA will be required to take final action – granting or denying a permit—within six months.

8) H.R. 2018—Clean Water Cooperative Federalism Act of 2011: H.R. 2018 would a restrict the EPA ability to issue a revised or new water quality standard for a pollutant whenever a state has adopted and EPA already has approved a water quality standard for that pollutant, unless the state concurs with the EPA Administrator’s determination that the revised or new standard is necessary to meet the requirements of the Clean Water Act. The bill would prevent unilateral actions by the EPA that second-guess the decisions of the state regulatory agency.

9) H.R. 1315—Consumer Financial Protection & Soundness Improvement Act: H.R. 1315 would improve consumer protection and provides greater economic stability by allowing the Financial Stability Oversight Council to vote to set aside any harmful federal regulation.

10) H.R. 1938— North American-Made Energy Security Act: H.R. 1938 would direct the President, acting through the Secretary of Energy, to coordinate with all federal agencies responsible for an aspect of the President's National Interest Determination and Presidential Permit decision regarding construction and operation of Keystone XL, to ensure that all necessary actions are taken on an expedited schedule. The bill would promote job creation and energy security by ending the needless delay of the construction and operation of the Keystone XL pipeline.

11) H.R. 2587—Protecting Jobs From Government Interference Act: H.R. 2587 would prohibit the National Labor Relations Board (NRLB) from ordering any employer to close, relocate, or transfer employment under any circumstance.

12) H.R. 2401—Transparency In Regulatory Analysis Of Impacts On The Nation: H.R. 2401 would require analyses of the cumulative and incremental impacts of certain rules and actions of the Environmental EPA. Specifically, the bill would require the President to establish the Committee for the Cumulative Analysis of Regulations that Impact Energy and Manufacturing. The Committee would be charged with analyzing and reporting on the cumulative and incremental impacts of covered rules and actions of the EPA concerning air, waste, water, and climate change. The bill would establish the interagency committee to evaluate the economic impacts of EPA regulations and delay the final dates for both the maximum achievable control technology (Utility MACT) standards and the cross-state air pollution rule (CSAPR) until the full impact has been studied. Both regulations would cost consumers and businesses $184 billion from 2011-2030 and would cause electrical prices to skyrocket.

13) H.R. 2681—Cement Sector Regulatory Relief Act: H.R. 2681 would provide a legislative stay of three EPA emissions standards that apply to cement manufacturing plants and are known as the “Cement MACT rules.” The bill would also provide for the implementation of effective regulation that protects communities both environmentally and economically.

14) H.R. 2250—EPA Regulatory Relief Act: H.R. 2250 would provide a legislative stay of four interrelated EPA rules, commonly referred to as the “Boiler MACT rules,” that govern emissions of mercury and other hazardous air pollutants from approximately 200,000 boilers and incinerators nationwide. The bill would remove this excessive regulatory burden placed on employers by the EPA’s Boiler MACT rules, potentially costing companies $14 billion and 224,000 American jobs, and replace them with sensible, achievable rules that do not destroy jobs.

15) H.R. 2273—Coal Residuals Reuse and Management Act: H.R. 2273 would utilize the framework and requirements of an existing federal regulatory program developed by the EPA under the Solid Waste Disposal Act (RCRA) as the basis for enforceable minimum federal standards for the regulation of a waste stream known as coal ash. The bill would include enforceable federal standards, but would leave regulation and enforcement to the states. The bill would also provide consistent, safe management of coal combustion residuals in a way that protects jobs and encourages recycling and beneficial use.

16) H.R. 2433—Veterans Opportunity to Work Act: H.R. 2433 would create or modify programs that provide employment and training services to veterans and service members separating from active duty. The bill would also make changes to programs that offer home loan guarantees, ambulance services, and pension payments to qualifying individuals. Among other things, the bill would provide up to 12 months of Veterans Retraining Assistance to no more than 100,000 unemployed veterans that enter education or training programs at community colleges or technical schools to prepare them for employment in an occupational field that is determined by Department of Labor to have significant employment opportunities.

17) H.R. 674—To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to repeal the imposition of 3 percent withholding on certain payments made to vendors by government entities: H.R. 674 would permanently repeal the imposition of 3 percent withholding on certain payments made to vendors by government entities. Currently, the imposition of the 3 percent withholding is set to take effect on January 1, 2013. If the 3 percent withholding tax were implemented as scheduled, government entities would be required to withhold 3 percent of payments to persons providing property or services to the government. For example, on an invoice for $20,000 the government would pay the business $19,400 and withhold $600 as a preemptive tax. These added costs would almost certainly translate into fewer private-sector jobs and higher costs for the government and taxpayers.

18) H.Con.Res. 34—Budget for Fiscal Year 2012: The FY 2012 budget resolution passed by House Republicans promotes job creation and certainty by preventing the president’s job destroying tax increases and runaway spending.

 

[Staidhup]

Detroit is what you get when liberal ideas go unchallenged. The left gets full credit for that city. Yea, good job, libs.

No, Detroit is what happens when you don't protect your own industries and other countries promote theirs.

So let's look at Detroit, which was the fourth largest city in the 1940's, a bustling, wealthy metropolis...

It started when we wanted to prop up Japan. Wouldn't want them going communist or something. So we sent over a bunch of guys like Demming to show them how to fix their auto industry. Then we subsidized it by buying vehicles from them for the Korean War.

And while Japan subsidized her Auto INdustry, we used ours as a cash cow.

Until the Japanese passed us up.

Cleveland is in pretty much the same boat as Detroit, and it's been run by Republicans much of the time.

When your anti business, anti manufacturing, punish all forms of free enterprise, treat and view employers, and those that are successful like scum you end up in the slum! Detroit proves you can tax yourself into obscurity.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Neither the liberal nor conservative ideology is directly responsible for this economic mess that will spread and engulf the entire United States within the next decade.

It's the Keynesian and Interventionalist policies of the Federal Reserve that are devouring our wealth from our farms, towns and cities, primarily through inflation and market instability and destructive monopolies.

Here's the value of dollar since 1913 (The passage of the Federal Reserve Act, the 16th Amendment and the 17th Amendment, all very evil and terrible things):

 

[The2ndAmendment]

What a shock.

We encourage industries to move production off shore and then wonder where all the jobs went.

Do you know why they are moving offshore?