Hello "pro choice" people.

[SweetSue92]

It's already being suggested that women are too "emotional" to vote. I believe that this was one of the arguments made against giving women the vote 100 years ago.

These are the same men who falsely labelled Hillary Clinton a "criminal" while voting a real criminal into the White House, and who have labelled the current Vice President a "whore", while voting for a three times married many who has publicly cheated on all three of his wives, with prostitutes and porn stars, among others, and whose current wife has been having an affair with another man for years.

The misogyny in the Republican Party runs deep and wide.

Women vote like dunderheads. I say this as a woman. They vote for Government to be their daddy or husband. It's awful and our nation has gone steadily downhill since they have been given the right.

Should the right be taken away? Probably not. But witness that women will even claim that having their own babies ripped out of their wombs limb from limb as their most fundamental "right". That's how far down the rabbit hole we've gone.

 

[SweetSue92]

Until you provide at least one credible source verifying it's not a fake, there is nothing to discuss, you faker.

This is one the the most stupid claims I've ever seen on this site. And I just read that maybe Covid was some kind of snake venom put in the water. So there's that.

 

[Couchpotato]

It isn't.



You are dismissing my argument because of what you believe is wrong also.

Sure it is. If that fetus is a life than abortion is murder if it isn’t then abortion is just a medical procedure. We have to decide as a society what life is. Everything else surrounding the issue is just noise until we decide the main issue.

 

[Couchpotato]

It's already being suggested that women are too "emotional" to vote. I believe that this was one of the arguments made against giving women the vote 100 years ago.

These are the same men who falsely labelled Hillary Clinton a "criminal" while voting a real criminal into the White House, and who have labelled the current Vice President a "whore", while voting for a three times married many who has publicly cheated on all three of his wives, with prostitutes and porn stars, among others, and whose current wife has been having an affair with another man for years.

The misogyny in the Republican Party runs deep and wide.

The claim against Harris is that she‘s only in the position she’s in because she‘s a whore. I don’t think Trump got to where he got to because of who he slept with.

 

[pknopp]

Sure it is. If that fetus is a life than abortion is murder if it isn’t then abortion is just a medical procedure. We have to decide as a society what life is. Everything else surrounding the issue is just noise until we decide the main issue.

Murder or not, women will seek out abortions. To me we should seek to address the issues that cause women to seek abortions as opposed to simply defining it.

We are never actually going to prosecute women for early term abortions. It just isn't going to happen so I have to think with someone like yourself it's really about politics or control, not the being in dispute.

 

[Theowl32]

Sure it is. If that fetus is a life than abortion is murder if it isn’t then abortion is just a medical procedure. We have to decide as a society what life is. Everything else surrounding the issue is just noise until we decide the main issue.

Like everything else it's about money. Also, and far more sinister and happens all throughout history is POPULATION CONTROL.

I am more and more convinced that every mass war, epidemic and large scale famine are all about population control and resets and has been happening throughout history.

Banking action and stock trends are usually tell tale signs of what's coming.

 

[JoeB131]

Like everything else it's about money. Also, and far more sinister and happens all throughout history is POPULATION CONTROL.

I am more and more convinced that every mass war, epidemic and large scale famine are all about population control and resets and has been happening throughout history.

Banking action and stock trends are usually tell tale signs of what's coming.

That's nice, have you been a paranoid loon all your life.

The reason why we have an unprecedented 8 billion people on the planet is because we've made such an effort to control plagues and famines. To the point where they are largely unknown today.

For most of history, child mortality was 50%. You didn't need abortion because the universe was taking out the kids for you.

 

[BackAgain]

Nope, they aren't. Not in the eyes of the law or the constitution.

Yes. They are. And “the” law tries to pretend they aren’t. The Constitution does NOT deny that they are people. So, your opinion remains nonsensical.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes. They are. And “the” law tries to pretend they aren’t. The Constitution does NOT deny that they aren’t people. So, your opinion remains nonsensical.

Actually, the constitution specifically spells out people by where they are BORN. The unborn aren't people.

 

[BackAgain]

Actually, the constitution specifically spells out people by where they are BORN. The unborn aren't people.

Actually, no, it doesn’t. The preborn are indeed people. You just posted a stupid shit interpretation and a fundamentally fallacious argument. But I’m not surprised.

A person born in the USA and subject to its laws is a citizen. That doesn’t say that an unborn baby isn’t also a person.

 

[Donald H]

Some of us think poking around in the womb with a razor sharp cutting tool while the fetus darts around trying to escape the intrusion is murder. That video showed damages that were brutal beheadings, dismembering of arms and legs, and other things that caused the infantile creature to suffer by having his right to life under the constitution cancelled by the cancel culture America has become due to wicked behaviors and worse decisions than the initial behaviors. Rapes should have a consequence so severe the offender will never rape again. "Consensual sex" with a minor is rape, and it is not acceptable in civil society to prey upon underage girls.

Concentrating on preventing rape is at least indicating that you have an idea of what needs to be done.
But then you turn to promoting extremist measures be taken to stop rape. Again indicating that Americans don't show any indication of being able to deal with the issue in a rational way. Your jails are overflowing and you advocate filling up new jails with even more convicts.!

Maybe we'll be surprised and we'll hear from a rational Americans who is not consumed with hate? I would like to make suggestions that could help but remember it's volunteer work I'm doing.

 

[Orangecat]

And so what if they are? What we don't know is the circumstances of why that fetus was aborted.

That's not an answer to my question, tbh.

 

[JoeB131]

Actually, no, it doesn’t. The preborn are indeed people. You just posted a stupid shit interpretation and a fundamentally fallacious argument. But I’m not surprised.

A person born in the USA and subject to its laws is a citizen. That doesn’t say that an unborn baby isn’t also a person.

A person born in the USA is subject to it's laws.
A fetus can be aborted at any time.

 

[BackAgain]

A person born in the USA is subject to it's laws.
A fetus can be aborted at any time.

Wrong. Not all people born in the USA are subject to its laws. We know a fetus can be aborted. The issue is whether it should be allowed at all (and if so, under what circumstances). The fact remains, when the human spermatozoa gets into the human ovum, that’s conception and it is life. And that life (barring the butchery of an abortion) and barring a few other tragedies, is a human life.

The Constitution doesn’t say anything about a zygote or a fetus not being a person. Your claim remains false.

 

[Couchpotato]

Murder or not, women will seek out abortions. To me we should seek to address the issues that cause women to seek abortions as opposed to simply defining it.

We are never actually going to prosecute women for early term abortions. It just isn't going to happen so I have to think with someone like yourself it's really about politics or control, not the being in dispute.

I understand that there are underlying problems that need to be addressed regarding single motherhood etc etc but that doesnt change the fundamental issue at hand here. When does life begin? Why is it ok to kill a 21-week-old fetus in the womb but not a 20-week-old premature baby? Honestly Im not sure how people square that in their heads. Is there some magical transformation that happens during the birthing process? What defines life? What makes you or me a life and a fetus not a life? There has to be some discernable difference and having been born seems like a weird line to draw. If I intentionally shoot a pregnant woman in the stomach and kill her unborn baby have I not committed murder? And if I have how is abortion not murder? Does the mother get to just decide arbitrarily that the life inside her is or isnt a life?

 

[Couchpotato]

A person born in the USA is subject to it's laws.
A fetus can be aborted at any time.

So you're ok with people not born in the US but present here, to not be subject to our laws and believe they dont have protections under the Constitution? Can I murder an illegal alien without consequence?

 

[JoeB131]

I understand that there are underlying problems that need to be addressed regarding single motherhood etc etc but that doesnt change the fundamental issue at hand here. When does life begin? Why is it ok to kill a 21-week-old fetus in the womb but not a 20-week-old premature baby? Honestly Im not sure how people square that in their heads. Is there some magical transformation that happens during the birthing process? What defines life? What makes you or me a life and a fetus not a life? There has to be some discernable difference and having been born seems like a weird line to draw. If I intentionally shoot a pregnant woman in the stomach and kill her unborn baby have I not committed murder? And if I have how is abortion not murder? Does the mother get to just decide arbitrarily that the life inside her is or isnt a life?

Usually, a 20 week preemie has only about a 5% survival rate and the doctors just go through the motions.

Few people are having abortions at 21 weeks unless something has gone VERY WRONG with the pregnancy.

these are all very personal decisions and the rest of us need to mind our own business.

So you're ok with people not born in the US to not be subject to our laws and believe they dont have protections under the Constitution? Can I murder an illegal alien without consequence?

Well, no, because that would be murder. Don't be stupid. A person isn't recongized as being a person until he is born- somewhere. A person born somewhere else is a citizen of HIS country until we decided to accept him.

Wrong. Not all people born in the USA are subject to its laws. We know a fetus can be aborted. The issue is whether it should be allowed at all (and if so, under what circumstances). The fact remains, when the human spermatozoa gets into the human ovum, that’s conception and it is life. And that life (barring the butchery of an abortion) and barring a few other tragedies, is a human life.

The Constitution doesn’t say anything about a zygote or a fetus not being a person. Your claim remains false.

It also doesn't say it is a person. So your claim is false. It does say that rights apply to all people born here in the 14th Amendment.

Life began a billion years ago and is an ongoing process... life itself does not have any value. A zygote is no more a person than the dozens of germs I wash off my body, which are about the same size.

 

[Couchpotato]

Usually, a 20 week preemie has only about a 5% survival rate and the doctors just go through the motions.

Few people are having abortions at 21 weeks unless something has gone VERY WRONG with the pregnancy.

these are all very personal decisions and the rest of us need to mind our own business.



Well, no, because that would be murder. Don't be stupid. A person isn't recongized as being a person until he is born- somewhere. A person born somewhere else is a citizen of HIS country until we decided to accept him.



It also doesn't say it is a person. So your claim is false. It does say that rights apply to all people born here in the 14th Amendment.

Life began a billion years ago and is an ongoing process... life itself does not have any value. A zygote is no more a person than the dozens of germs I wash off my body, which are about the same size.

Answer the question you coward. Why is ok to murder a perfectly healthy 21 week old fetus but not a 20 week old premie? Dont deflect from the moral dilemma that creates by saying a 20 week old is likely to die and people dont abort babies at 21 weeks all that often. If I only punch you in the nose every couple of months are you ok with that?

And you said that a fetus has no rights in the US because they werent BORN here. Well an illegal alien isnt born here either and as a noncitizen (just like the fetus you're talking about) doesnt have any rights under you interpretation. Look I think you're an idiot if you believe that but you need to clean up what you posted not me.

 

[BackAgain]

It also doesn't say it is a person. So your claim is false. It does say that rights apply to all people born here in the 14th Amendment.

I didn’t claim that the Constitution said it was a person. I merely denied your imbecile claim that it said a preborn child was not a person. And yes. It does say that for the class of humans, our constitutionally guaranteed rights belong to all. The rights of person born here and subject to our laws are the additional rights of citizens. It does not say that someone not yet born isn’t a person.

Life began a billion years ago and is an ongoing process... life itself does not have any value. A zygote is no more a person than the dozens of germs I wash off my body, which are about the same size.

You’re an idiot. A germ will never mature into a human being.

 

[pknopp]

I understand that there are underlying problems that need to be addressed regarding single motherhood etc etc but that doesnt change the fundamental issue at hand here. When does life begin? Why is it ok to kill a 21-week-old fetus in the womb but not a 20-week-old premature baby? Honestly Im not sure how people square that in their heads. Is there some magical transformation that happens during the birthing process? What defines life? What makes you or me a life and a fetus not a life? There has to be some discernable difference and having been born seems like a weird line to draw. If I intentionally shoot a pregnant woman in the stomach and kill her unborn baby have I not committed murder? And if I have how is abortion not murder? Does the mother get to just decide arbitrarily that the life inside her is or isnt a life?

I believe life starts at conception so that discussion no longer interests me. How to get women to not abort does.