Hey cons: if your solution to the min wage issue is to tell those people...

[P@triot]

Thats fine. People can at least be comfortable until that time comes.

People are comfortable now. Who is not comfortable?!? You? Please...enlighten us. Who do you know that is not comfortable. And don't give us some lame made up "John Jones". Give us specific. What is their situation? What do they do? Why are they uncomfortable?

The people living close to or below the poverty line.

Really? Did they tell you that? Because they seem extremely comfortable to me. But then again, you clearly don't let facts get in the way of your rhetoric:

As scholar James Q. Wilson has stated, “The poorest Americans today live a better life than all but the richest persons a hundred years ago.”[3] In 2005, the typical household defined as poor by the government had a car and air conditioning. For entertainment, the household had two color televisions, cable or satellite TV, a DVD player, and a VCR. If there were children, especially boys, in the home, the family had a game system, such as an Xbox or a PlayStation.[4] In the kitchen, the household had a refrigerator, an oven and stove, and a microwave. Other household conveniences included a clothes washer, clothes dryer, ceiling fans, a cordless phone, and a coffee maker.

Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox: What is Poverty in the United States Today?

 

[P@triot]

We can raise the minimum wage conditionally to see what happens. If its not a good thing then we can repeal the law or place a time limit on it.

We can't, because our legislature has no legitimate authority to enact such a law.

Congress has the authority to make laws. Thats pretty much their job.

You've clearly never read the U.S. Constitution. Shocking.

Having the ability to make laws does not grant them unlimited ability to make laws. The laws must be one of the 18 enumerated powers of the federal government. Let me guess... you have no idea what even one of those 18 enumerated powers are? Shocking yet again...

So youre claiming that there is no federal minimum wage existing right now?

United States v. Darby

Where did I claim that? You're so ignorant of your own government that you don't even realize that minimum wage is handled by the states (where it is legal) and not by the federal government (where it would be illegal).

 

[P@triot]

Right now anyone making a state minimum wage is living in poverty. Working up to 40 hours a week Is not enough for these people to live financially stable lives.

I'll repeat the popular refrain. They need to go out and learn career skills. They don't have to stay at a job making minimum wage all their lives. Pell grants are a nice way to get off the ground. State scholarships are another, like such:

Scholarship Programs in Each U.S. State

Nothing's keeping them where they are. Only you liberals have convinced them that there is no other way out but to demand more for doing less. Seriously. They wouldn't be in poverty if shown the path to self sufficiency.

How do they do that without going on aide? How do they feed their families in the meantime?

People work and go to school every single day in this country. Heck, I did it myself. What is the problem? Why do you insist on playing a helpless victim instead of embracing the opportunities afforded to you by this great country?

 

[P@triot]

Obviously you dont much if you dont know or monetary system is backed by debt. Youre a legend in your own mind.

This is the most fall-down hilarious and absurd thing I've ever seen. How can you "back" one thing with another thing that nobody wants and is negative in value?

 

[P@triot]

Where did I say there was no way out of their current situation? That's just a flat out lie.

Single mother with 1 kid making minimum wage in a 40 hour work week is living in poverty. Of course they need government assistance, it's still poverty.

There situation isn't hopeless, they can go to school, they can get a promotion, in the meantime they have to feed, clothe, live and learn and I don't know about you but I'd prefer their employer pay a fair wage so I don't have to subsidize their profits through my taxes.

So for all of your bellyaching, tears, sob stories, etc. - please tell me two things:

1. How is any if that my problem?
2. What are you doing about other than voting for ignorant socialism?

You sit there hoarding your own wealth (no matter how small or large that may be) while taking to message boards so whine about those you claim are in "need"?

 

[P@triot]

So you advocate sweat shops then?

We don't have to worry about that. Altruistic angels like you will simply step up, create a company, and pay all of these poor souls $90,000 per year.

Oh wait....that's right....people like you are too lazy to get in the game. So much easier to sit on the sidelines criticizing those that do run businesses and create jobs.

 

[P@triot]

I don't understand how you people aren't getting this. Low wage jobs greatly outnumber higher wage jobs. That means millions of people have NO CHOICE but to accept shitty paying jobs.

There is always a choice 000. You have the choice to start a company right now and pay everyone you hire $90,000. You choose not to. Instead, you would rather sit on the sidelines criticizing those who actually build businesses and create jobs.

 

[P@triot]

Um I do actually. Businesses maximize profit by paying minimum wage. Duh.

If that were the case, then even executives were making minimum wage.

The reality is, you don't understand basic economics or basic business.

 

[P@triot]

So, if a worker needs food stamps because their employer doesn't pay them enough, that's not corporate welfare to you?

American poors are better off? Bullshit.

A Dozen Countries Where the Poor May Be Better Off Than the United States
Per Capita Income Across the Developed World (2005 Dollars, PPP Adjusted)

Your propaganda fails HJ. This is from a government study (you know - the government - that entity which you people worship as God?)...

As scholar James Q. Wilson has stated, “The poorest Americans today live a better life than all but the richest persons a hundred years ago.”[3] In 2005, the typical household defined as poor by the government had a car and air conditioning. For entertainment, the household had two color televisions, cable or satellite TV, a DVD player, and a VCR. If there were children, especially boys, in the home, the family had a game system, such as an Xbox or a PlayStation.[4] In the kitchen, the household had a refrigerator, an oven and stove, and a microwave. Other household conveniences included a clothes washer, clothes dryer, ceiling fans, a cordless phone, and a coffee maker.

Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox: What is Poverty in the United States Today?

 

[P@triot]

I don't see how this is complicated for you. The minimum wage caused it. Few people have skills to get a better paying job. That means they turn to entry level which always pays shit.

I mean Christ, if I'm wrong as you believe I am, it's not like you have an alternative explanation you doofus.

It's not complicated. At all. But sadly you've been brainwashed by an ideology and are unwilling to accept the simple truths. About a decade ago Venezuela implemented every policy you advocate for. How is that working out? The answer is extreme poverty.

At the end of the day, nothing creates wealth & prosperity like the free market and nothing creates poverty & misery like centralized planning. Period. End of story. And it cannot be debated.

 

[P@triot]

You're such an idiot. Like it or not, we live in an economy where higher wage jobs are rare and many aren't qualified for them, so millions are stuck at either entry level or a skilled job that still pays shit. That means employers can easily get away with paying a shitty wage. Christ it's not like employers are like "wow, my business couldn't survive without the labor my employers provide, I guess I better pay them more!"

You're complaining about low-wage jobs while advocating for policies which will convert those to no-wage jobs. So who is the real idiot here?

 

[P@triot]

How many hours does one have to work to pay $800 for a shitty apartment?

Anyway, $7.25 a meal, x2 people x 3 meals a day. Think about it.

So the question becomes - why aren't you providing these people with jobs that make $90,000? Why are you so heartless, selfish, and greedy that you refuse to start a company and pull them out of poverty?

 

[P@triot]

no minimum wage so we can live like this.

No minimum wage so that government regulations and interference won't prevent you from building a successful company and living like this:

 

[paulitician]

You're never gonna get through to greedy white Republican dude. He's all in on the greed and Corporate-Worship thing. If we left it all up to him, he would take us back to the 'good ole days' of slave labor. But thank God we're not leaving it all up to him.

Rule of thumb, if it's pissing off the greedy white Republicans dudes, it's likely something positive for American Workers. So when you hear em bitchin & moanin, just remember something positive must be happening for Workers. It's when they're quiet and not bitchin & moanin, is when you need to worry.

 

[Asclepias]

So you advocate sweat shops then?

We don't have to worry about that. Altruistic angels like you will simply step up, create a company, and pay all of these poor souls $90,000 per year.

Oh wait....that's right....people like you are too lazy to get in the game. So much easier to sit on the sidelines criticizing those that do run businesses and create jobs.

You avoided my question which indicates an uneasiness and unwillingness to engage.

 

[Asclepias]

Right now anyone making a state minimum wage is living in poverty. Working up to 40 hours a week Is not enough for these people to live financially stable lives.

I'll repeat the popular refrain. They need to go out and learn career skills. They don't have to stay at a job making minimum wage all their lives. Pell grants are a nice way to get off the ground. State scholarships are another, like such:

Scholarship Programs in Each U.S. State

Nothing's keeping them where they are. Only you liberals have convinced them that there is no other way out but to demand more for doing less. Seriously. They wouldn't be in poverty if shown the path to self sufficiency.

How do they do that without going on aide? How do they feed their families in the meantime?

People work and go to school every single day in this country. Heck, I did it myself. What is the problem? Why do you insist on playing a helpless victim instead of embracing the opportunities afforded to you by this great country?

You deflected and didnt answer the question. You do realize that personal accusations and wild claims about what I do or do not do shows you lack the mental faculties to participate in a serious discussion dont you?

 

[percysunshine]

..."Go to school! Learn new skills, you lazy asses!"

...then who would replace them to work in the service industry? How could those industries survive if so many of the workers make minimum wage?

Keep in mind we are including state minimum wages here - not just the federal one. Right now anyone making a state minimum wage is living in poverty. Working up to 40 hours a week Is not enough for these people to live financially stable lives.

42% of American workers make less than $15 per hour. What is your solution to helping these people out of poverty?

You people are full of bitching but you have no real solutions.

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Straw man....dude.

 

[Asclepias]

Obviously you dont much if you dont know or monetary system is backed by debt. Youre a legend in your own mind.

This is the most fall-down hilarious and absurd thing I've ever seen. How can you "back" one thing with another thing that nobody wants and is negative in value?

I think this conversation is above your pay grade. From your post its obvious you dont even have a clue how this all works. Even your buddy Dale Smith is more educated on this point than you are.

 

[Asclepias]

..."Go to school! Learn new skills, you lazy asses!"

...then who would replace them to work in the service industry? How could those industries survive if so many of the workers make minimum wage?

Keep in mind we are including state minimum wages here - not just the federal one. Right now anyone making a state minimum wage is living in poverty. Working up to 40 hours a week Is not enough for these people to live financially stable lives.

42% of American workers make less than $15 per hour. What is your solution to helping these people out of poverty?

You people are full of bitching but you have no real solutions.

15 an hour is above the poverty line
Funny how when my wife and I were only making about 32K a year each we weren't starving. We both had cars and a place to live and we weren't on assistance

And if working 40 hours a week doesn't earn you enough to pay your bills then work more

Could it be that when you were making 32K a year it was the previous century?

 

[Asclepias]

Thats fine. People can at least be comfortable until that time comes.

People are comfortable now. Who is not comfortable?!? You? Please...enlighten us. Who do you know that is not comfortable. And don't give us some lame made up "John Jones". Give us specific. What is their situation? What do they do? Why are they uncomfortable?

The people living close to or below the poverty line.

Really? Did they tell you that? Because they seem extremely comfortable to me. But then again, you clearly don't let facts get in the way of your rhetoric:

As scholar James Q. Wilson has stated, “The poorest Americans today live a better life than all but the richest persons a hundred years ago.”[3] In 2005, the typical household defined as poor by the government had a car and air conditioning. For entertainment, the household had two color televisions, cable or satellite TV, a DVD player, and a VCR. If there were children, especially boys, in the home, the family had a game system, such as an Xbox or a PlayStation.[4] In the kitchen, the household had a refrigerator, an oven and stove, and a microwave. Other household conveniences included a clothes washer, clothes dryer, ceiling fans, a cordless phone, and a coffee maker.

Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox: What is Poverty in the United States Today?

Yes they told me that. I work with people like that all the time. I'm not really interested in what it seems to be to you. Since I have factual first hand information your guessing is dismissed.