Hillary says NRA needs a "rival" organization of responsible gun owners

[Lakhota]

Where does the NRA get all its money? You might be surprised...

How The Gun Industry Funnels Tens Of Millions Of Dollars To The NRA

The money powering the NRA

Where does funding for the National Rifle Association (NRA) come from?

Wayne LaPierre Falsely Claims "All" The NRA's Money Comes From Small Donors

Blood Money: How the Gun Industry Bank Rolls the NRA

 

[OldLady]

I have no idea what you mean by a "moderate" gun owner?

In reality, there are only two categories of gun owners.

1) Legal gun owners who obey the law.

2) Criminals who own illegal guns.

And mentally ill people who buy guns legally and then let loose in a public place.

 

[OKTexas]

27.7% of guns used in crimes were sold by legally licensed FFL's....

I don't see how ANYONE can not view this as a REAL and JUSTIFIED problem?

Were they legal gun owners that turned to crime for the first time? Or were they one of the quarter million guns stolen every year? Come on hero, don't just throw meaningless numbers around, put them in context.

 

[9thIDdoc]

You want to stop the majority of gun murders in America?
Clean up the inner city ghettos. And I can promise you this...not a single asshole in the ghetto is a member of the NRA.

The NRA wants to make sure inner city ghettos get all the guns they want. The NRA fights to protect the sources of those inner city ghetto guns.

Clean up the ghetto and you wouldnt have to worry about guns.
It's really a simple matter to do so,commit a crime with a gun and it's an automatic 25 year sentence.
Of course since negroes commit the majority of gun crimes liberals will never go for it.
They wouldnt want to upset their base....

It's hard to clean up inner city ghettos when NRA gunrunners are constantly trucking in guns.

The NRA doesnt ship nor sell guns.

The NRA is the great facilitator between gun manufacturers and buyers.

Obama is currently the world's most successful gun salesman.

 

[OldLady]

She's an idiot.

and a LIAR!!

This probably doesn't deserve a response, but what is she LYING about?

 

[Lakhota]

The NRA wants to make sure inner city ghettos get all the guns they want. The NRA fights to protect the sources of those inner city ghetto guns.

Clean up the ghetto and you wouldnt have to worry about guns.
It's really a simple matter to do so,commit a crime with a gun and it's an automatic 25 year sentence.
Of course since negroes commit the majority of gun crimes liberals will never go for it.
They wouldnt want to upset their base....

It's hard to clean up inner city ghettos when NRA gunrunners are constantly trucking in guns.

The NRA doesnt ship nor sell guns.

The NRA is the great facilitator between gun manufacturers and buyers.

Obama is currently the world's most successful gun salesman.

No, actually fearful racist NaziCons are the world's must successful gun salesmen. Fear, ignorance, paranoia, and racism sell guns.

 

[OKTexas]

27.7% of guns used in crimes were sold by legally licensed FFL's....

I don't see how ANYONE can not view this as a REAL and JUSTIFIED problem?

Crazy PEOPLE are the problem. Not guns.

i agree Dillo, in the cases of mass murders, but the other 8000 murdered a year, not so much...

FFL's are trafficking their guns to the black market....27.7% of the guns used in crimes that were confiscated, traced directly back to LEGAL FFL Gun sellers... that's a problem that needs to be addressed.

and 100% can be traced back to the manufacturer. Individuals must be held responsible for what they do with a gun and anything else for that matter.

and individuals should be held responsible...

AND the FFL's who intentionally sell to gun traffickers need to be held responsible as well...

Damn, I thought we already had laws addressing those issues, what will another one do?

 

[9thIDdoc]

Hillary Clinton urges moderate gun owners to take on the NRA

Hillary Clinton urges moderate gun owners to take on the NRA

Are there any moderate gun owners, are all they all Texas rednecks?

It strikes me all gun owners are right wing madmen

Hmmm, I am a right wing mad man?

No, I live in Texas and own two shotguns, and I am a responsible gun owner. One Shotgun is for hunting Duck, Boar, and wild game and the other is for land protection.

My one shotgun is in a locked closet and come out during hunting season while the other is on a rack where i can grab it quickly.

My shotguns are never loaded but both have a sleeve to hold shells that can be loaded quickly.

So what part of what I have is not reasonable to you?

Do you believe someone like me should not be allow to hunt?

How about protecting my land against wild dogs?

I find it strange that those like you believe there is no reasonable gun owners and believe everyone that own a gun is some lunatic...

Exactly who has complained about how you use your guns? As long as you don't intentionally scare people by prancing around town with one or oppose reasonable steps to keep them out of bad guy,s hands, you are just like any of the other millions of reasonable gun owners . We both know people whose guns are never unloaded, and want to make sure everybody knows they are always armed. Those are the people that scare me.

Good! That wouldn't scare you if you weren't planning criminal acts.

 

[OKTexas]

Hillary Clinton urges moderate gun owners to take on the NRA



Are there any moderate gun owners, are all they all Texas rednecks?

It strikes me all gun owners are right wing madmen

Hmmm, I am a right wing mad man?

No, I live in Texas and own two shotguns, and I am a responsible gun owner. One Shotgun is for hunting Duck, Boar, and wild game and the other is for land protection.

My one shotgun is in a locked closet and come out during hunting season while the other is on a rack where i can grab it quickly.

My shotguns are never loaded but both have a sleeve to hold shells that can be loaded quickly.

So what part of what I have is not reasonable to you?

Do you believe someone like me should not be allow to hunt?

How about protecting my land against wild dogs?

I find it strange that those like you believe there is no reasonable gun owners and believe everyone that own a gun is some lunatic...

Most of us who support gun control measures do not see gun owners as you self report to be the problem. And most of us responsible supporters of rational gun laws do not support the repeal of the 2nd A. We want people properly vetted.

I for one want to see all gun owners licensed and all guns registered on a State by State basis. Let Texas do what they want, and allow California citizens to vote to license and register or not.

In fact I'd grandfather in all current gun owners and not require that they be licensed or register their guns, the only restriction being they could only sell their gun to a licensed person or dealer, and could only buy an additional gun or guns if they became licensed and registered their new gun along with those already owned by them.

So someone gets more rights than me because they got there first?

Again, I don't trust any more gun control legislation while my rights in NYC continue to be infringed.

Why should it take me 3-6 months and $1000 to get a handgun permit for my own home?

Why? Because it's the law. Move to Texas if this upsets you so. There you can parade around the streets with your beloved gun on your hip & be free from the law you oppose.

You are incorrect!

You should first read the actual open and carry law, and understand a business also has the right to deny open and carry.

Also Texas is not the only state to allow open and carry and you have to be license to open and carry.

You should actually read the law first before making wild claims because I can not parade around with my shotgun and would not anyway!

Open Carry : Texas Concealed Handgun License

Actually you can open carry a long gun in TX, no permit required.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Fear, ignorance, paranoia, and racism sell guns.

Actually those are the things that drive gun grabbers.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Crazy PEOPLE are the problem. Not guns.

i agree Dillo, in the cases of mass murders, but the other 8000 murdered a year, not so much...

FFL's are trafficking their guns to the black market....27.7% of the guns used in crimes that were confiscated, traced directly back to LEGAL FFL Gun sellers... that's a problem that needs to be addressed.

and 100% can be traced back to the manufacturer. Individuals must be held responsible for what they do with a gun and anything else for that matter.

and individuals should be held responsible...

AND the FFL's who intentionally sell to gun traffickers need to be held responsible as well...

Owning or selling a gun is not the problem. What is it going to take for liberals to see that ?

Owning and selling guns to individuals is not a problem, I agree....

but it is a problem when 27.7% of guns being used in a crime within 2 years of the FFL selling them, to Traffickers buying them for the black market/criminal distribution IS A PROBLEM.

I don't want to go after law abiding individuals, but only those who are complicit in getting these guns on to the Black Market and in to criminal's hands.

I understand not going after the good guys, what I don't understand is the resistance even if only going after the bad guys?????????????

The problem that seems to result in adding more gun regulations is criminal's usually can find some way around them. I did a little research on two well known in history most everyone is familiar with.


Columbine School Shooting

Harris and Klebold acquired their firearms through a friend, Robyn Anderson, who bought a rifle and the two shotguns at a gun show. Philip Duran, another friend, bought a handgun from Mark Manes for $500.
How exactly would these new gun regulations have kept these firearms from coming into the hands of Harris and Klebold?


Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting

Adam Lanza, who had signs of schizophrenia and psychotic behavior, as well as autism, acquired a gun from his mother. He would never see a background check either.



Per capita, the city of Baltimore reaches its highest ever homicide rate in 2015

Yet, democrat lawmakers in that state said President Obama's executive order would have no effect on concerned gun owners, because they are already among those states with the most strict gun laws.

What happened?

Per capita, Baltimore reaches its highest ever homicide rate

 

[hunarcy]

I have no idea what you mean by a "moderate" gun owner?

In reality, there are only two categories of gun owners.

1) Legal gun owners who obey the law.

2) Criminals who own illegal guns.

And mentally ill people who buy guns legally and then let loose in a public place.

According to the form that is filled out when a person buys a firearm from a FFL dealer, a mentally ill person cannot legally purchase a firearm. So, your attempt to rebut him fails.

 

[OKTexas]

So someone gets more rights than me because they got there first?

Again, I don't trust any more gun control legislation while my rights in NYC continue to be infringed.

Why should it take me 3-6 months and $1000 to get a handgun permit for my own home?

Why? Because it's the law. Move to Texas if this upsets you so. There you can parade around the streets with your beloved gun on your hip & be free from the law you oppose.

You are incorrect!

You should first read the actual open and carry law, and understand a business also has the right to deny open and carry.

Also Texas is not the only state to allow open and carry and you have to be license to open and carry.

You should actually read the law first before making wild claims because I can not parade around with my shotgun and would not anyway!

Open Carry : Texas Concealed Handgun License

i thought open carry was the law of the land in states that allowed hunting. Hard to hunt if you have to conceal your weapon. My opinion is, whatever the police are allowed to do the citizens have the same ability.

Personally I don't think open carry protects a person more then concealed carry. What open carry does is allow a person to know where your weapon is and it might actually be the target of a robbery. Especially women carrying openly.

Police go through a very extensive background check which includes a psychological evaluation.

And we see how well that works out. I don't have a problem with the psychological evaluation, just make it as simple as possible.

Really, you don't mind some government bureaucrat deciding if you're fit to have a firearm, what could possibly go wrong?

 

[Wry Catcher]

So someone gets more rights than me because they got there first?

Again, I don't trust any more gun control legislation while my rights in NYC continue to be infringed.

Why should it take me 3-6 months and $1000 to get a handgun permit for my own home?

Why? Because it's the law. Move to Texas if this upsets you so. There you can parade around the streets with your beloved gun on your hip & be free from the law you oppose.

You are incorrect!

You should first read the actual open and carry law, and understand a business also has the right to deny open and carry.

Also Texas is not the only state to allow open and carry and you have to be license to open and carry.

You should actually read the law first before making wild claims because I can not parade around with my shotgun and would not anyway!

Open Carry : Texas Concealed Handgun License

i thought open carry was the law of the land in states that allowed hunting. Hard to hunt if you have to conceal your weapon. My opinion is, whatever the police are allowed to do the citizens have the same ability.

Personally I don't think open carry protects a person more then concealed carry. What open carry does is allow a person to know where your weapon is and it might actually be the target of a robbery. Especially women carrying openly.

Police go through a very extensive background check which includes a psychological evaluation.

and that stops them from shooting people-----NOT.

Most of them don't shoot people!!! Shit happens, it is always investigated. And on going training occurs on both the range and in classroom training on managing assaultive behavior and on the agencies use of force policy.

 

[9thIDdoc]

No NRA and our gun makers would go broke. No gun makers would mean our military and police would be back to sticks and stones and then the first foreign nation that wished to could conquer and enslave us. No NRA=no gun makers=no America. Simple enough even for a liberal?

 

[OKTexas]

i thought open carry was the law of the land in states that allowed hunting. Hard to hunt if you have to conceal your weapon. My opinion is, whatever the police are allowed to do the citizens have the same ability.

Personally I don't think open carry protects a person more then concealed carry. What open carry does is allow a person to know where your weapon is and it might actually be the target of a robbery. Especially women carrying openly.

Now you make a good argument on your last part and your first part was just being sarcastic and I know better...

I feel the same about open and carry and would prefer to conceal and carry so a possible robber does not know I am carrying. In a robbery the robber will take out the gun carrier first and then go on with their robbery. Now some will argue that the gun carrier can get the drop if it were to happen but real life is not the movies most of the time.

So I would conceal and carry but that is just me.

As for your first part of your response you very well know that hunting in the wild is different than carrying your shotgun around with you to your local restaurant or bar...

Personally I do not believe in open and carry but if someone is legally licensed then by all mean carry the damn thing but I still support a business right to deny open and carry within their establishment or property...

The first part was being sarcastic, but where does open carry end? I say if a establishment wants to limit their business to those who do not carry that is their right as it is their right to always decide who are their clientele.

So are you saying I need a open and carry license to hunt?

If so then no!

I am not going to carry my shotgun in a restaurant and it is illegal still here in the state of Texas even under the new law...

I am just wondering. I know the man who was open carrying before an Obama rally. He was outside the parameter before Obama arrived. He was arrested and taken to jail. Later to be proven innocent. So there must be some confusion as to when an where a person can carry, at least in my state.

What state are you in?

If Texas then I do not know why he was unless he had the proper license to do it.

As I read the open and carry law here is that it has to be holster on the hip or shoulder, and that is the new law, so no shot gun carrying for me...

The TX open carry law applies only to hand guns, not long guns. It has never been illegal to open carry a long gun.

 

[OldLady]

Hillary Clinton urges moderate gun owners to take on the NRA

Hillary Clinton urges moderate gun owners to take on the NRA

Are there any moderate gun owners, are all they all Texas rednecks?

It strikes me all gun owners are right wing madmen

Hmmm, I am a right wing mad man?

No, I live in Texas and own two shotguns, and I am a responsible gun owner. One Shotgun is for hunting Duck, Boar, and wild game and the other is for land protection.

My one shotgun is in a locked closet and come out during hunting season while the other is on a rack where i can grab it quickly.

My shotguns are never loaded but both have a sleeve to hold shells that can be loaded quickly.

So what part of what I have is not reasonable to you?

Do you believe someone like me should not be allow to hunt?

How about protecting my land against wild dogs?

I find it strange that those like you believe there is no reasonable gun owners and believe everyone that own a gun is some lunatic...

Most of us who support gun control measures do not see gun owners as you self report to be the problem. And most of us responsible supporters of rational gun laws do not support the repeal of the 2nd A. We want people properly vetted.

I for one want to see all gun owners licensed and all guns registered on a State by State basis. Let Texas do what they want, and allow California citizens to vote to license and register or not.

In fact I'd grandfather in all current gun owners and not require that they be licensed or register their guns, the only restriction being they could only sell their gun to a licensed person or dealer, and could only buy an additional gun or guns if they became licensed and registered their new gun along with those already owned by them.

So someone gets more rights than me because they got there first?

Again, I don't trust any more gun control legislation while my rights in NYC continue to be infringed.

Why should it take me 3-6 months and $1000 to get a handgun permit for my own home?

This is not about you personally, but might the expense and difficulty to own a handgun in NYC be part of the reason NYC violent crime rates are lower than the national average and that violent crime in NYC has been dropping for over a decade? Could it possibly be that curtailing access to firearms has a positive effect?

 

[OldLady]

I cannot fathom why Hillary even opened her mouth. Doesn't she realize that many of the Democrat party are NRA members and avid hunters? I also cannot fathom why Obama, who is supposed to be the leader of the Democrat Party, opted to use executive order to infuriate a whole bunch of voters. He could easily have simply done nothing and eased on out of office. His action will cause some who were sitting on the fence to vote against Hillary especially since she has decided to enter the fray as well. There are an awful lot of Democrats and Independents who are heavily into guns. To me, it's a stupid political move on both Obama's and Hillary's part.

She is NOT trying to take guns away from you.

I have no idea what you mean by a "moderate" gun owner?

In reality, there are only two categories of gun owners.

1) Legal gun owners who obey the law.

2) Criminals who own illegal guns.

And mentally ill people who buy guns legally and then let loose in a public place.

According to the form that is filled out when a person buys a firearm from a FFL dealer, a mentally ill person cannot legally purchase a firearm. So, your attempt to rebut him fails.

How does the seller know the person is mentally ill if he/she has never been hospitalized?

 

[Wry Catcher]

So someone gets more rights than me because they got there first?

Again, I don't trust any more gun control legislation while my rights in NYC continue to be infringed.

Why should it take me 3-6 months and $1000 to get a handgun permit for my own home?

Why? Because it's the law. Move to Texas if this upsets you so. There you can parade around the streets with your beloved gun on your hip & be free from the law you oppose.

You are incorrect!

You should first read the actual open and carry law, and understand a business also has the right to deny open and carry.

Also Texas is not the only state to allow open and carry and you have to be license to open and carry.

You should actually read the law first before making wild claims because I can not parade around with my shotgun and would not anyway!

Open Carry : Texas Concealed Handgun License

i thought open carry was the law of the land in states that allowed hunting. Hard to hunt if you have to conceal your weapon. My opinion is, whatever the police are allowed to do the citizens have the same ability.

Personally I don't think open carry protects a person more then concealed carry. What open carry does is allow a person to know where your weapon is and it might actually be the target of a robbery. Especially women carrying openly.

Police go through a very extensive background check which includes a psychological evaluation.

before they get hired, after they have a higher rate of domestic violence and substance abuse. (alcohol).

Bull Shit. How many background investigations of LE Officers have you completed?

I know from personal experience when I did recruitment and background investigations anyone with a history of alcohol abuse, an arrest for battery, spousal or otherwise; poor credit; lots of address changes; a less than honorable discharge; more than one divorce, a civil judgement or restraining order will not get passed the first level of inquiry. We had a form letter, "Sorry, you do not meet the MQ's for the position to which you applied".

 

[OKTexas]

Crazy PEOPLE are the problem. Not guns.

i agree Dillo, in the cases of mass murders, but the other 8000 murdered a year, not so much...

FFL's are trafficking their guns to the black market....27.7% of the guns used in crimes that were confiscated, traced directly back to LEGAL FFL Gun sellers... that's a problem that needs to be addressed.

and 100% can be traced back to the manufacturer. Individuals must be held responsible for what they do with a gun and anything else for that matter.

and individuals should be held responsible...

AND the FFL's who intentionally sell to gun traffickers need to be held responsible as well...

Owning or selling a gun is not the problem. What is it going to take for liberals to see that ?

How about ten years without a mass murder; ten weeks without a suicide or a murder-suicide, or the accidental death of a child playing with a gun.

What will it take to convince you that guns kill people and not every gun owner is or will ever be responsible, sane, sober and law abiding?

So all suicides are caused by guns, really?