Hillary says NRA needs a "rival" organization of responsible gun owners

[OKTexas]

Reasonable to who, fucking idiot regressives?

Reasonable to The American People at large, of course.

You know... the ultimate Masters of this land, for whom the Constitution was created, and by whose leave it continues to function.

Obviously not because the people's elected reps have consistently refused to pass that garbage into law.

When The People want effective gun-control badly enough they will force their elected reps to execute their Will.

Certain states enacted that crap. So they got it. But the country as a whole is rejecting it and has consistently for 20 years.

Don't kid yourself... mandatory national standards for licensing, registration, sales, training, etc., are probably closer than you'd like to believe.

I'll comply with that kind of crap just as soon as you can prove the criminals are.

 

[the_human_being]

Well, the ATF has been asked to clarify:

Citizen Asks ATF: Do I Need a Federal Firearms License to Sell Thousands of Guns to Mexican Cartels?

 

[OKTexas]

It's very strange how this thread is all about politics, but hardly a word about 30,000 dead Americans per year.

Death and guns in the USA - CNN.com

Without going into the terrorist issue save to consider the numbers of Americans dead Vs. cash spent and action taken, terrorists have killed so few (About 3,000 people) since and including 9/11, whilst Americans with guns have killed about 406,000 in the same time period.

Less than 1% of the deaths gets $billions spent on it, a mass of press, loads of government time, and a whole group of people assumed guilty for the actions of a few.

The massive number of gun deaths gets inaction and $ zero spent on it.

Given the obvious massive difference in the death toll, the question isn't actually about gun control, it's about the lack of action.

My theory is simple enough - The US arms industry doesn't care about Americans, it cares only for profits, even if you and your family die to protect their cash.
As for the well paid for politicians that bitch for the arms industry, they should face court for their corruption, as should their pimps.

In other words - you lot have been conned.

The vast majority of those you claim guns kill would be dead would be dead anyway, they are suicides. Why do you regressives keep proliferating false numbers?

The US ranks #50 in suicides per capita. Even the gun utopias like Japan, France, Finland and Russia rank higher.

List of countries by suicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Norman]

Hillary is free to start up such an organization tomorrow if she wishes.

"What, I must pay for it myself?? Forget about it!"

 

[OKTexas]

...Yeah and Hillary is going to be the next president. Save it.

To hell with that bitch... I'm just stating the obvious... mandatory national standards are coming...

Ya can't run a "well regulated militia" "in order to provide for the common defense" without having a perpetual understanding of the nature and whereabouts of the arms of that militia.

You really have no understanding of the 2nd Amendment at all do you. Militias are about keeping the States free, not common defense.

 

[BULLDOG]

There are lots of tools that you just can't use without extensive training and evaluation. licensing, and continuing education. Try climbing into a big crane without certification and see how long you are allowed to stay there.

Is operating a "big crane" a specific Constitutional right?

You idiots come up with some stupid shit.

Not specific, but since it is not denied, yes it is a constitutional right. Still doesn't prevent regulation..

The very definition of regulation is an infringement on activity, what do you fail to understand about "shall not be infringed"?

Ask Justice Scalia. Even he says the 2nd Amendment is not unlimited - and he's a NaziCon fruitcake.

No right is unlimited, however when government decides to curtail the right, it has to 1)have an overriding need to do so and 2) use the most non intrusive methods of curtailing the right.

There is no overriding need to make me wait 3-6 months and pay $1000 to keep a 6 shot revolver in my house, and it sure as hell not a non intrusive method of trying to prevent guns from getting into the wrong hands.

What federal law, or proposed federal law does that?

 

[BULLDOG]

Hillary Clinton urges moderate gun owners to take on the NRA

Hillary Clinton urges moderate gun owners to take on the NRA

Are there any moderate gun owners, are all they all Texas rednecks?

It strikes me all gun owners are right wing madmen

Hmmm, I am a right wing mad man?

No, I live in Texas and own two shotguns, and I am a responsible gun owner. One Shotgun is for hunting Duck, Boar, and wild game and the other is for land protection.

My one shotgun is in a locked closet and come out during hunting season while the other is on a rack where i can grab it quickly.

My shotguns are never loaded but both have a sleeve to hold shells that can be loaded quickly.

So what part of what I have is not reasonable to you?

Do you believe someone like me should not be allow to hunt?

How about protecting my land against wild dogs?

I find it strange that those like you believe there is no reasonable gun owners and believe everyone that own a gun is some lunatic...

Exactly who has complained about how you use your guns? As long as you don't intentionally scare people by prancing around town with one or oppose reasonable steps to keep them out of bad guy,s hands, you are just like any of the other millions of reasonable gun owners . We both know people whose guns are never unloaded, and want to make sure everybody knows they are always armed. Those are the people that scare me.

Good! That wouldn't scare you if you weren't planning criminal acts.

Nope. I have no reason to believe a person who wears a gun like jewelry is stable enough to not go nuts and shoot up everybody.

 

[BULLDOG]

There are lots of tools that you just can't use without extensive training and evaluation. licensing, and continuing education. Try climbing into a big crane without certification and see how long you are allowed to stay there.

Is operating a "big crane" a specific Constitutional right?

You idiots come up with some stupid shit.

Not specific, but since it is not denied, yes it is a constitutional right. Still doesn't prevent regulation..

The very definition of regulation is an infringement on activity, what do you fail to understand about "shall not be infringed"?

Ask Justice Scalia. Even he says the 2nd Amendment is not unlimited - and he's a NaziCon fruitcake.

The only thing you idiots need to learn is "reasonable" or "common sense" are not objective terms. But you never let that stop you from throwing them around like that are.

You've got to understand that the gun nuts demands are not "reasonable" or :"common sense"

 

[PredFan]

She's an idiot.

and a LIAR!!

This probably doesn't deserve a response, but what is she LYING about?

Easier to say, what has she NOT been lying about? It's a short list.

 

[Rustic]

I agree! She said this in an interview with Chris Matthews on MSNBC earlier this evening. I was an NRA member and strong supporter for several years - until it was hijacked by radicals in 1977. I would like to see a "rival" organization like the NRA was before it was hijacked by radicals.

How NRA’s true believers converted a marksmanship group into a mighty gun lobby

In gun lore it’s known as the Revolt at Cincinnati. On May 21, 1977, and into the morning of May 22, a rump caucus of gun rights radicals took over the annual meeting of the National Rifle Association.

The rebels wore orange-blaze hunting caps. They spoke on walkie-talkies as they worked the floor of the sweltering convention hall. They suspected that the NRA leaders had turned off the air-conditioning in hopes that the rabble-rousers would lose enthusiasm.

The Old Guard was caught by surprise. The NRA officers sat up front, on a dais, observing their demise. The organization, about a century old already, was thoroughly mainstream and bipartisan, focusing on hunting, conservation and marksmanship. It taught Boy Scouts how to shoot safely. But the world had changed, and everything was more political now. The rebels saw the NRA leaders as elites who lacked the heart and conviction to fight against gun-control legislation.

Much More: How NRA’s true believers converted a marksmanship group into a mighty gun lobby

...and she a loopy kunt

 

[dilloduck]

27.7% of guns used in crimes were sold by legally licensed FFL's....

I don't see how ANYONE can not view this as a REAL and JUSTIFIED problem?

It is a problem and the seller should be given life in prison if the crime that resulted from their illegal sale caused a death...

It will make a dealer think twice before illegally selling a gun or a purchaser would also think twice if they are buying the gun legally and then selling it illegally to someone that is not allow to own a gun...

Oh goody!! We need to go our and arrest all the car dealers for murder.

The FFL that sells to the guy trafficker who distributes the guns to criminals on the street, (the Black Market), and who comes back time and time and time again, buying more guns from the FFL should make the FFL in the least, suspicious, you would think???

I don't know, but it would seem to be that way...?

The government is the one with the final say on the purchase, not the dealer. If fact the dealer could be sued for not making a sale approved by NICS. Thank you, regressive public accommodation laws.

Then that is something that should legally change, and there should be a phone number for these FFL's to report suspicious activities....maybe there is one already?

of course they won't report a thing if they purposely show a blind eye to it, so that they can continue to make money with every sale to the supposed legal background check, trafficker.

since it was the ATF that had these statistics on firearms confiscated from crimes were purchased from FFL's 27.7% of the time, you would think the ATF is already watching the FFL's that sold the most guns used in crimes?

And maybe that is already happening?

They were watching the ones that went to Mexico too.

 

[Rustic]

Nope.There are lots of us ex-NRA members who want nothing more than reasonable controls on who gets guns. Gun owners are not the problem. Gun nuts are.

Want a hankey?

 

[OKTexas]

Is operating a "big crane" a specific Constitutional right?

You idiots come up with some stupid shit.

Not specific, but since it is not denied, yes it is a constitutional right. Still doesn't prevent regulation..

The very definition of regulation is an infringement on activity, what do you fail to understand about "shall not be infringed"?

Ask Justice Scalia. Even he says the 2nd Amendment is not unlimited - and he's a NaziCon fruitcake.

The only thing you idiots need to learn is "reasonable" or "common sense" are not objective terms. But you never let that stop you from throwing them around like that are.

You've got to understand that the gun nuts demands are not "reasonable" or :"common sense"

According to who, you? ROFLMFAO

 

[Vigilante]

Perhaps a liberal with a sponge?

 

[Nosmo King]

If 4 million reasonable people join the NRA we can depose the radicals and actually achieve the gun reforms reasonable people agree on.

LOL. So instead of arguing on the merits, your side is left with infiltration and deception.

Just great.

The NRA owns congressmen. Their very jobs depend on being as obsequeece as possible whenever the NRA has a slot on their calendar.

Do reasonable citizens have to pay for that kind of attention and devotion? Legislation through cash?

 

[Rustic]

Eventually responsible gun owners will defeat the NRA terrorists.

Oh damn thats funny!!!
Let me guess...your still pissed about the cowboys and indians thing?

Wow, it only took 12 posts for some deranged NRA terrorist to go racist.

Says the casino Indian...
Lol
Washington redskin, your butt kissing of the Washington career politicians is getting tiresome...

 

[Nosmo King]

If 4 million reasonable people join the NRA we can depose the radicals and actually achieve the gun reforms reasonable people agree on.

LOL. So instead of arguing on the merits, your side is left with infiltration and deception.

Just great.

His side never had anything. He has been unable for years to articulate how anything he or his side has proposed would prevent a single incident of gun violence.

A single incident? We have to prove a negative? How can you quantified without evidence?

 

[OKTexas]

Hillary Clinton urges moderate gun owners to take on the NRA

Hillary Clinton urges moderate gun owners to take on the NRA

Are there any moderate gun owners, are all they all Texas rednecks?

It strikes me all gun owners are right wing madmen

Hmmm, I am a right wing mad man?

No, I live in Texas and own two shotguns, and I am a responsible gun owner. One Shotgun is for hunting Duck, Boar, and wild game and the other is for land protection.

My one shotgun is in a locked closet and come out during hunting season while the other is on a rack where i can grab it quickly.

My shotguns are never loaded but both have a sleeve to hold shells that can be loaded quickly.

So what part of what I have is not reasonable to you?

Do you believe someone like me should not be allow to hunt?

How about protecting my land against wild dogs?

I find it strange that those like you believe there is no reasonable gun owners and believe everyone that own a gun is some lunatic...

Exactly who has complained about how you use your guns? As long as you don't intentionally scare people by prancing around town with one or oppose reasonable steps to keep them out of bad guy,s hands, you are just like any of the other millions of reasonable gun owners . We both know people whose guns are never unloaded, and want to make sure everybody knows they are always armed. Those are the people that scare me.

Good! That wouldn't scare you if you weren't planning criminal acts.

Nope. I have no reason to believe a person who wears a gun like jewelry is stable enough to not go nuts and shoot up everybody.

That's not a reasonable position. They've passed background checks.

 

[BULLDOG]

Not specific, but since it is not denied, yes it is a constitutional right. Still doesn't prevent regulation..

The very definition of regulation is an infringement on activity, what do you fail to understand about "shall not be infringed"?

Ask Justice Scalia. Even he says the 2nd Amendment is not unlimited - and he's a NaziCon fruitcake.

The only thing you idiots need to learn is "reasonable" or "common sense" are not objective terms. But you never let that stop you from throwing them around like that are.

You've got to understand that the gun nuts demands are not "reasonable" or :"common sense"

According to who, you? ROFLMFAO

According to more than 90% of the country.

 

[Iceweasel]

The NRA owns congressmen. Their very jobs depend on being as obsequeece as possible whenever the NRA has a slot on their calendar.

Do reasonable citizens have to pay for that kind of attention and devotion? Legislation through cash?

The unions own congressmen. Their very jobs depend on being as obsequeece as possible whenever the unions have a slot on their calendar.

Do reasonable citizens have to pay for that kind of attention and devotion? Legislation through cash?