Hillary says NRA needs a "rival" organization of responsible gun owners

[Wry Catcher]

Nope.There are lots of us ex-NRA members who want nothing more than reasonable controls on who gets guns. Gun owners are not the problem. Gun nuts are.

Finally..will you explain "Reasonable controls," you keep saying strings of words that have "Reasonable," in them but then you don't follow up with actual reasonable controls.............it would be nice if for once you guys did that.

No matter what I say, you would refuse to see reason. It's a waste of time repeating the same things you have been repeatedly told, but chose to ignore. Your willful ignorance is complete,and you are of no use but to laugh at and point out you obvious stupidity. Believe what you will.

So far none of you regressives have been able to articulate what constitutes reasonable controls and show how they will effectively stop criminals from getting guns which is supposedly your only goal, correct?

Instead of making an editorial comment you might go back and read the arguments for licensing and registration.

I doubt it will change your mind, or even be considered, since you and others have expressed dozens and dozens of times that gun control will never work, and that the 2nd A. is absolute; you and others believe that gun control is and always will be unconstitutional.

Yet, you and others seem to feel it is fine and dandy to take the 2nd Right away from those who are mentally ill or have been convicted of a felony to own, possess or have in their custody and control a firearm. How is that not an infringement on them?

Where in the 2nd A. does it even imply that felons and the mentally ill have lost the right to own a gun. Don't they have the right of self defense?

The arguments, if one could expand the meaning of the term presented by you and the others who oppose gun controls, are not sagacious, that means they are emotion driven and void of keen practical sense.

 

[Iceweasel]

I doubt it will change your mind, or even be considered, since you and others have expressed dozens and dozens of times that gun control will never work, and that the 2nd A. is absolute; you and others believe that gun control is and always will be unconstitutional.

Yet, you and others seem to feel it is fine and dandy to take the 2nd Right away from those who are mentally ill or have been convicted of a felony to own, possess or have in their custody and control a firearm. How is that not an infringement on them?

Where in the 2nd A. does it even imply that felons and the mentally ill have lost the right to own a gun. Don't they have the right of self defense?

The arguments, if one could expand the meaning of the term presented by you and the others who oppose gun controls, are not sagacious, that means they are emotion driven and void of keen practical sense.

Being mentally ill means you know longer know right from wrong. While that is dangerous turf for the liberal to tread on we do it for the same reason we don't let people scream fire in a crowded theater. That screws with others' rights.

Criminals aren't going to register shit so it's phony from the get go. We know what's next because we've seen it across the world. Your ignorance isn't others' fault.

 

[2aguy]

Nope.There are lots of us ex-NRA members who want nothing more than reasonable controls on who gets guns. Gun owners are not the problem. Gun nuts are.

Finally..will you explain "Reasonable controls," you keep saying strings of words that have "Reasonable," in them but then you don't follow up with actual reasonable controls.............it would be nice if for once you guys did that.

No matter what I say, you would refuse to see reason. It's a waste of time repeating the same things you have been repeatedly told, but chose to ignore. Your willful ignorance is complete,and you are of no use but to laugh at and point out you obvious stupidity. Believe what you will.

I know…you can't explain how background checks, licensing gun owners, registering guns would stop criminals or mass shooters from getting or using guns……but you keep using those words as if just saying them makes your point…..

The implementation of those things have consequences…and all of the consequences target non criminals….normal, law abiding gun owners, and do nothing to stop criminals or mass shooters….yet you keep saying them over and over again.

Reasonble controls….

--if you use a gun in a crime you add 10 years on top of any other sentence.

--if you are a felon caught in possession of a gun…automatic 15 year sentence just for illegal possession.

--if you use a magazine in a gun to commit a crime…..10 years on top of the 10 years for using a gun on top of whatever the sentence for the crime is.

Those are actual things that target actual violent criminals and will actually reduce the number of gun murders…


If you are caught actually trafficking in illegal guns to criminals…….not just a private sale but an actual trafficker…..life in prison…..

There you go….my ideas actually work…your ideas target non criminals who own guns…who will never use their guns to commit crimes….

My ideas will work…your ideas are stupid.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Gun show loophole? No fly no buy? Universal back ground checks?. Are you selling the lie that the NRA supports these measures?

The NRA supports background checks for the sale of guns by dealers (commercials gun sales.)

Denying rights to those on Obama's enemies list is the definition of tyranny. Who will you Communists put in charge of maintaining the list, Louis Lerner?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Being mentally ill means you know longer know right from wrong.

By that definition, both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are mentally ill.

While that is dangerous turf for the liberal to tread on we do it for the same reason we don't let people scream fire in a crowded theater. That screws with others' rights.

Criminals aren't going to register shit so it's phony from the get go. We know what's next because we've seen it across the world. Your ignorance isn't others' fault.

Yep, gun confiscation is the holy grail for the left. A disarmed populace is an obedient populace.

 

[Uncensored2008]

[

That depends on how they try to define a commercial seller, I've heard it reported, that it will mean anyone who wants to sell 2 or more guns.

Commercial has a defined meaning - being in the business of. I realize the democrats are waging war on civil rights and will pervert anything in their lust to strip Americans of liberty. Even so, there is a mountain of legal precedent as to what commercial activity entails. Private sales from a party to another simply do not meet that criterion. If they did, you would have to get a dealer license to sell your used car.

Obama's Kabuki Theater is just red meat for the snarling goons of the anti-liberty left.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Perhaps it's time to counterbalance the NRA. I like guns, but not enough to just give them or their ilk carte blache. Is it OK if I choose NOT to have a gun? Perhaps it's time for a counter balance to the NRA , this IS a democracy, after all.

Not only is it okay for you not to have guns, but you should put a sign in your yard declaring "gun free zone." Ensure that the right people know an unarmed woman lives there..

Shit, you may even get a visit from Bill Cosby or Bill Clinton.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Because I can't, "get convicted felons to comply with your rules" (my suggestions), and you cannot prove that more guns will prevent more crimes, murders, rapes and robberies.

Your goal, and that of your party, is to end civil rights. This is the underlying fact that must be recognized in any discussion.

What we can do is look at rape statistics and find how many victims had firearms with them. (0%) and the check the ATTEMPTED rape statistics to see how many were stopped by a firearm.

But your goal is not a safe society, your goal is a society ruled by the iron fist of your party. Armed people are difficult to rule. The mere presence of arms causes people to resist infringement, even if the effectiveness of the arms is illusory. This conflicts with your goal of an authoritarian system.

Fuckwad Obama attacks the freedom of speech and the freedom of religion every bit as much as he attacks the right to self-defense. It IS civil rights you are at war to end, but "you cannot strip rights from armed people" - Eldridge Cleaver

 

[deaddogseye]

I agree! She said this in an interview with Chris Matthews on MSNBC earlier this evening. I was an NRA member and strong supporter for several years - until it was hijacked by radicals in 1977. I would like to see a "rival" organization like the NRA was before it was hijacked by radicals.

How NRA’s true believers converted a marksmanship group into a mighty gun lobby

In gun lore it’s known as the Revolt at Cincinnati. On May 21, 1977, and into the morning of May 22, a rump caucus of gun rights radicals took over the annual meeting of the National Rifle Association.

The rebels wore orange-blaze hunting caps. They spoke on walkie-talkies as they worked the floor of the sweltering convention hall. They suspected that the NRA leaders had turned off the air-conditioning in hopes that the rabble-rousers would lose enthusiasm.

The Old Guard was caught by surprise. The NRA officers sat up front, on a dais, observing their demise. The organization, about a century old already, was thoroughly mainstream and bipartisan, focusing on hunting, conservation and marksmanship. It taught Boy Scouts how to shoot safely. But the world had changed, and everything was more political now. The rebels saw the NRA leaders as elites who lacked the heart and conviction to fight against gun-control legislation.

Much More: How NRA’s true believers converted a marksmanship group into a mighty gun lobby

There is nothing new about that -- the gun control has been tryi ng that forever. Where the rubber meets the road is that apparently the gun owner crowd gets out and votes on the issue - it is a top priority for them - and it is not a top or near top priority for most of theose who say they favor it. That's why the claims that 80% or whatever it is support background checks can be a bit misleading politically -- they don't put that at the top of the issues that cause them to vote. FWIW I don't see that changing over this.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Instead of making an editorial comment you might go back and read the arguments for licensing and registration.

I doubt it will change your mind, or even be considered, since you and others have expressed dozens and dozens of times that gun control will never work, and that the 2nd A. is absolute; you and others believe that gun control is and always will be unconstitutional.

Yet, you and others seem to feel it is fine and dandy to take the 2nd Right away from those who are mentally ill or have been convicted of a felony to own, possess or have in their custody and control a firearm. How is that not an infringement on them?

Where in the 2nd A. does it even imply that felons and the mentally ill have lost the right to own a gun. Don't they have the right of self defense?

The arguments, if one could expand the meaning of the term presented by you and the others who oppose gun controls, are not sagacious, that means they are emotion driven and void of keen practical sense.

The answer is in the definition of the militia.

{
(a)
The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1)
the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2)
the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
}


10 U.S. Code § 311 - Militia: composition and classes

The mentally ill are not able bodied.

 

[2aguy]

I despise Hillary as much as I do the Gun lobbyist like the NRA. But she is right, despite she is a leftist. The NRA and the pro gun crowd yield WAY more power that can be justified by common consensus, it MONEY talking here. Democracy isn't about rule by the elitist of any ilk.

If that were true it wouldn't be the elitist billionaires who are pushing for gun control now would it. Doesn't it give you pause that the uber wealthy are not only taking all of your money, controlling all of your opportunities and now they want to take away your ability to defend yourself.....from THEM.

It's become rule by money, pacs or lawyers or whoever. Millionaires are one thing, but a million people giving a dollar to support the NRA when the far bigger majority doesn't have a pac or a gun to defend them things get dicey if not sad. Not what freedom in this country was about, is it?

The Founders made sure that we had firearms so that billionaires wouldn't be able to buy every politician out there to pass the laws they want that turn us all into slaves in one form or other. So, yes, guns are EXACTLY what freedom is about in this country. Were it not for them you would be some poorly paid factory worker somewhere. If even that good...

And yet those billionaires, with the constant support of the right, did turn us into wage slaves, and they packed all those good paying factory jobs and shipped them over seas. Now there aren't any factory jobs her, poorly paid or not.

No…left wingers who think that all money belongs to the government increased taxes, and bureaucratic crap that simply made hiring people cheaper over seas….it is a consequence of hating business and targeting them for destruction.

 

[Uncensored2008]

And yet those billionaires, with the constant support of the right, did turn us into wage slaves, and they packed all those good paying factory jobs and shipped them over seas. Now there aren't any factory jobs her, poorly paid or not.

Oh, billionaires like

Tim Cook
Bill Gates
Al Gore
Andrew Grove
Jeff Bezos
Mark Zuckerberg
George Soros
Warren Buffet

I'm going to smack you down every time you tell this lie, the top .0001% in this country are all FAR LEFT. The democratic - socialist party is the party of the rich who seek to end civil rights for the masses on behalf of the elite they serve.

 

[2aguy]

Nope.There are lots of us ex-NRA members who want nothing more than reasonable controls on who gets guns. Gun owners are not the problem. Gun nuts are.

Finally..will you explain "Reasonable controls," you keep saying strings of words that have "Reasonable," in them but then you don't follow up with actual reasonable controls.............it would be nice if for once you guys did that.

No matter what I say, you would refuse to see reason. It's a waste of time repeating the same things you have been repeatedly told, but chose to ignore. Your willful ignorance is complete,and you are of no use but to laugh at and point out you obvious stupidity. Believe what you will.

So far none of you regressives have been able to articulate what constitutes reasonable controls and show how they will effectively stop criminals from getting guns which is supposedly your only goal, correct?

Instead of making an editorial comment you might go back and read the arguments for licensing and registration.

I doubt it will change your mind, or even be considered, since you and others have expressed dozens and dozens of times that gun control will never work, and that the 2nd A. is absolute; you and others believe that gun control is and always will be unconstitutional.

Yet, you and others seem to feel it is fine and dandy to take the 2nd Right away from those who are mentally ill or have been convicted of a felony to own, possess or have in their custody and control a firearm. How is that not an infringement on them?

Where in the 2nd A. does it even imply that felons and the mentally ill have lost the right to own a gun. Don't they have the right of self defense?

The arguments, if one could expand the meaning of the term presented by you and the others who oppose gun controls, are not sagacious, that means they are emotion driven and void of keen practical sense.

We have read your arguments for licensing and registration and they are unconvincing.

You say…well, the states can license gun owners and if they commit a crime they can have their license pulled….

except that is already done…..and you don't need a license to do it. if you commit a crime with a gun you become a criminal and can no longer legally own a gun..at all.

No license needed to do that right now.

Registering guns…..

1st…..everywhere it is done it is done with the intent to confiscate guns in the future…Germany, Britain, Australia, New York, California……all registered guns and then, sometimes years later, used those registration records to confiscate guns.

Then….registering guns is an unnecessary and pointless exercise….Canada tried to register 15 million long guns and it cost so much and used up so much manpower for a result where most gun owners did not register their guns anyway, and no crimes were stopped or solved for doing it….that Canada stopped doing it.

The New York state SAFE act requires registering "Assault Weapons" and in left wing New York, people are still not registering their guns….and it is beginning to cost more than budgeted and cost more in manpower for again…zero results…since gun violence in New York city is going up, not down….

 

[martybegan]

Is operating a "big crane" a specific Constitutional right?

You idiots come up with some stupid shit.

Not specific, but since it is not denied, yes it is a constitutional right. Still doesn't prevent regulation..

The very definition of regulation is an infringement on activity, what do you fail to understand about "shall not be infringed"?

Ask Justice Scalia. Even he says the 2nd Amendment is not unlimited - and he's a NaziCon fruitcake.

No right is unlimited, however when government decides to curtail the right, it has to 1)have an overriding need to do so and 2) use the most non intrusive methods of curtailing the right.

There is no overriding need to make me wait 3-6 months and pay $1000 to keep a 6 shot revolver in my house, and it sure as hell not a non intrusive method of trying to prevent guns from getting into the wrong hands.

What federal law, or proposed federal law does that?

It's NYC law, which is held as the "gold standard" for gun control by some people.

 

[martybegan]

If 4 million reasonable people join the NRA we can depose the radicals and actually achieve the gun reforms reasonable people agree on.

LOL. So instead of arguing on the merits, your side is left with infiltration and deception.

Just great.

The NRA owns congressmen. Their very jobs depend on being as obsequeece as possible whenever the NRA has a slot on their calendar.

Do reasonable citizens have to pay for that kind of attention and devotion? Legislation through cash?

One can say multiple lobby groups own congresscritters, or do you think the AFL-CIO gives out donations out of the goodness of their own heart?

 

[2aguy]

Here is a list that opposes the NRA…..perhaps if you are a gun hater you could simply join one of these…..or one of the many groups paid for by Mayor Bloomberg…..

Here is the complete list:

AARP
AFL-CIO
Ambulatory Pediatric Association
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Civil Liberties Union
American Academy of Ambulatory Care Nursing
American Medical Women`s Association
American Medical Student Association
American Medical Association
American Association for the Surgery of Trauma
American Trauma Society
American Federation of Teachers
American Association of School Administrators
American Alliance for Rights and Responsibilities
American Medical Association
American Bar Association
American Counseling Association
American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Association for World Health
American Ethical Union
American Nurses Association
American Association of Neurological Surgeons
American Association of Family and Consumer Sciences
American Firearms Association
American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
American Jewish Committee
American Trauma Society
American Psychological Association
American Jewish Congress
American Public Health Association
Americans for Democratic Action
Anti-Defamation League
Black Mental Health Alliance
B`nai B`rith
Central Conference of American Rabbis
Children`s Defense Fund
Church of the Brethren
Coalition for Peace Action
Coalition to Stop Gun Violence
College Democrats of America
Committee for the Study of Handgun Misuse & World Peace
Common Cause
Congress of National Black Churches, Inc.
Congress of Neurological Surgeons
Consumer Federation of America
Council of the Great City Schools
Council of Chief State School Officers
Dehere Foundation
Disarm Educational Fund
Environmental Action Foundation
Episcopal Church-Washington Office
Florence and John Shumann Foundation
Friends Committee on National Legislation
General Federation of Women`s Clubs
George Gund Fun
Gray Panthers
H.M. Strong Foundation
Hadassah
Harris Foundation
Hechinger Foundation
Interfaith Neighbors
Int`l Ladies` Garment Workers` Union
Int`l Association of Educators for World Peace
Jewish Labor Committee
Joyce Foundation
Lauder Foundation
Lawrence Foundation
League of Women Voters of the United States*
Lutheran Office for Governmental Affairs, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Manhattan Project II
Mennonite Central Committee-Washington Office
National Safe Kids Campaign
National Association of Police Organizations
National Coalition Against Domestic Violence
National Black Nurses` Association
National Association of Chain Drug Stores
National Network for Youth
National Assembly of National Voluntary Health & Social Welfare Organizations
National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
National Association of School Psychologists
National Association of Counties*
National Association of Pediatric Nurse Associates & Practitioners
National Association of School Safety and Law Enforcement Officers
National Education Association
National Association of Elementary School Principals*
National Association of Public Hospitals
National Coalition Against Domestic Violence
National Association of Secondary School Principals
National Association of Social Workers
National Association of Children`s Hospitals and Related Institutions
National Association of School Psychologists
National Council of La Raza
National Center to Rehabilitate Violent Youth
National Commission for Economic Conversion & Disarmament
National Council of the Churches of Christ in the USA
National Council of Negro Women
National Association of Community Health Centers
National People`s Action
National Education Association*
National League of Cities
National Council on Family Relations
National Council of Jewish Women
National Organization for Women
National Political Congress of Black Women
National Parks and Conservation Association
National Peace Foundation
National Urban League, Inc.
National Parent, Teachers Association*
National Urban Coalition
National SAFE KIDS Campaign
National Organization on Disability
National Spinal Cord Injury Association
NETWORK: A National Catholic Social Justice Lobby
Ortenberg Foundation
Peace Action
People for the American Way
Physicians for Social Responsibility
Police Foundation
Project on Demilitarization and Democracy
Public Citizen
SaferWorld
Society of Critical Care Medicine
Southern Christian Leadership Conference
The Council of the Great City Schools
The Synergetic Society
20/20 Vision
U.S. Catholic Conference, Dept. of Social Development
Union of American Hebrew Congregations
Unitarian Universalist Association
United States Catholic Conference
United Methodist Church, General Board & Church Society
United Church of Christ, Office for Church in Society*
United States Conference of Mayors
War and Peace Foundation
Women Strike for Peace
Women`s National Democratic Club
Women`s Action for New Directions (WAND)
Women`s Int`l League for Peace and Freedom
World Spiritual Assembly, Inc.
YWCA of the U.S.A.

 

[martybegan]

Why? Because it's the law. Move to Texas if this upsets you so. There you can parade around the streets with your beloved gun on your hip & be free from the law you oppose.

This whole damn thread exist because you are trying to take that right away from everyone. Why don't you fucking regressives move your asses to States that have laws you support and leave the rest of us alone? Thank for showing you true face, hypocrite.

You can read and comprehend, thus you've proved to be a liar.

I've said this about gun control

• States should decide if they want to license gun owners
• States should decided if they want to register guns
• States should decide on the factors to deny, suspend or revoke a license
• States should decide on the types of weapon to be prohibited
• States should decide on open carry, concealed carry and other forms of transport of guns
• States should decide if guns are allowed in parks and other public places
• States should decide if Cities or Counties can impose stricter rules on gun storage or possession outside the home or business

I don't care what you do in Texas, and rural regions can and should have different gun laws than cities.

I believe any sober, sane and law abiding citizen can have a gun to protect his home or business. Beyond that, guns need to be controlled by whatever democratic process the citizens of the State, region or community decide.

So you think the State can remove your ability to defend yourself against criminals with equal or greater force, where ever that need arises? So I guess the State gets to decide if a law abiding citizen really has a right to life, except in their home. Now I must ask, why you support NYC's ridiculous fees and licensing to just have a gun in your home?

Post where I wrote I supported the NYC law! If you cannot quote my exact post which you alleged I stated what you said, you are a LIAR!

I know I never posted that I supported the law you allege I supported, and unless you can quote where I did and in the thread and post number I did the only conclusion possible is that you are a LIAR!!!

Marty was complaining and asking why NYC charged him a 1000 dollars and took months to get a permit to have a revolver in his home. I'm paraphrasing but you said because it was the law, and if he didn't like it to move to TX. If that wasn't supporting the law, what would you call it?

I'm not going to take the time to do your leg work, feel free to look it up for yourself.

But you never answered my question about WHY it should take that long and that much for me to get a gun.

"and because its the law" isn't an acceptable answer.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Here is a list that opposes the NRA…..perhaps if you are a gun hater you could simply join one of these…..or one of the many groups paid for by Mayor Bloomberg…..

Here is the complete list:

AARP
AFL-CIO
Ambulatory Pediatric Association
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Civil Liberties Union
American Academy of Ambulatory Care Nursing
American Medical Women`s Association
American Medical Student Association
American Medical Association
American Association for the Surgery of Trauma
American Trauma Society
American Federation of Teachers
American Association of School Administrators
American Alliance for Rights and Responsibilities
American Medical Association
American Bar Association
American Counseling Association
American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Association for World Health
American Ethical Union
American Nurses Association
American Association of Neurological Surgeons
American Association of Family and Consumer Sciences
American Firearms Association
American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
American Jewish Committee
American Trauma Society
American Psychological Association
American Jewish Congress
American Public Health Association
Americans for Democratic Action
Anti-Defamation League
Black Mental Health Alliance
B`nai B`rith
Central Conference of American Rabbis
Children`s Defense Fund
Church of the Brethren
Coalition for Peace Action
Coalition to Stop Gun Violence
College Democrats of America
Committee for the Study of Handgun Misuse & World Peace
Common Cause
Congress of National Black Churches, Inc.
Congress of Neurological Surgeons
Consumer Federation of America
Council of the Great City Schools
Council of Chief State School Officers
Dehere Foundation
Disarm Educational Fund
Environmental Action Foundation
Episcopal Church-Washington Office
Florence and John Shumann Foundation
Friends Committee on National Legislation
General Federation of Women`s Clubs
George Gund Fun
Gray Panthers
H.M. Strong Foundation
Hadassah
Harris Foundation
Hechinger Foundation
Interfaith Neighbors
Int`l Ladies` Garment Workers` Union
Int`l Association of Educators for World Peace
Jewish Labor Committee
Joyce Foundation
Lauder Foundation
Lawrence Foundation
League of Women Voters of the United States*
Lutheran Office for Governmental Affairs, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Manhattan Project II
Mennonite Central Committee-Washington Office
National Safe Kids Campaign
National Association of Police Organizations
National Coalition Against Domestic Violence
National Black Nurses` Association
National Association of Chain Drug Stores
National Network for Youth
National Assembly of National Voluntary Health & Social Welfare Organizations
National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
National Association of School Psychologists
National Association of Counties*
National Association of Pediatric Nurse Associates & Practitioners
National Association of School Safety and Law Enforcement Officers
National Education Association
National Association of Elementary School Principals*
National Association of Public Hospitals
National Coalition Against Domestic Violence
National Association of Secondary School Principals
National Association of Social Workers
National Association of Children`s Hospitals and Related Institutions
National Association of School Psychologists
National Council of La Raza
National Center to Rehabilitate Violent Youth
National Commission for Economic Conversion & Disarmament
National Council of the Churches of Christ in the USA
National Council of Negro Women
National Association of Community Health Centers
National People`s Action
National Education Association*
National League of Cities
National Council on Family Relations
National Council of Jewish Women
National Organization for Women
National Political Congress of Black Women
National Parks and Conservation Association
National Peace Foundation
National Urban League, Inc.
National Parent, Teachers Association*
National Urban Coalition
National SAFE KIDS Campaign
National Organization on Disability
National Spinal Cord Injury Association
NETWORK: A National Catholic Social Justice Lobby
Ortenberg Foundation
Peace Action
People for the American Way
Physicians for Social Responsibility
Police Foundation
Project on Demilitarization and Democracy
Public Citizen
SaferWorld
Society of Critical Care Medicine
Southern Christian Leadership Conference
The Council of the Great City Schools
The Synergetic Society
20/20 Vision
U.S. Catholic Conference, Dept. of Social Development
Union of American Hebrew Congregations
Unitarian Universalist Association
United States Catholic Conference
United Methodist Church, General Board & Church Society
United Church of Christ, Office for Church in Society*
United States Conference of Mayors
War and Peace Foundation
Women Strike for Peace
Women`s National Democratic Club
Women`s Action for New Directions (WAND)
Women`s Int`l League for Peace and Freedom
World Spiritual Assembly, Inc.
YWCA of the U.S.A.

That the ACLU opposes the NRA is proof that they have no desire to protect or promote civil rights.

 

[OldLady]

Hillary Clinton urges moderate gun owners to take on the NRA



Are there any moderate gun owners, are all they all Texas rednecks?

It strikes me all gun owners are right wing madmen

Hmmm, I am a right wing mad man?

No, I live in Texas and own two shotguns, and I am a responsible gun owner. One Shotgun is for hunting Duck, Boar, and wild game and the other is for land protection.

My one shotgun is in a locked closet and come out during hunting season while the other is on a rack where i can grab it quickly.

My shotguns are never loaded but both have a sleeve to hold shells that can be loaded quickly.

So what part of what I have is not reasonable to you?

Do you believe someone like me should not be allow to hunt?

How about protecting my land against wild dogs?

I find it strange that those like you believe there is no reasonable gun owners and believe everyone that own a gun is some lunatic...

Most of us who support gun control measures do not see gun owners as you self report to be the problem. And most of us responsible supporters of rational gun laws do not support the repeal of the 2nd A. We want people properly vetted.

I for one want to see all gun owners licensed and all guns registered on a State by State basis. Let Texas do what they want, and allow California citizens to vote to license and register or not.

In fact I'd grandfather in all current gun owners and not require that they be licensed or register their guns, the only restriction being they could only sell their gun to a licensed person or dealer, and could only buy an additional gun or guns if they became licensed and registered their new gun along with those already owned by them.

So someone gets more rights than me because they got there first?

Again, I don't trust any more gun control legislation while my rights in NYC continue to be infringed.

Why should it take me 3-6 months and $1000 to get a handgun permit for my own home?

This is not about you personally, but might the expense and difficulty to own a handgun in NYC be part of the reason NYC violent crime rates are lower than the national average and that violent crime in NYC has been dropping for over a decade? Could it possibly be that curtailing access to firearms has a positive effect?

Violent crimes have been falling nation wide for a couple of decades, could all the new firearms in the hands of citizens be driving that trend? Many think so.

But for NYC, the stop an frisk policy took many guns out of the hands of criminals, that policy has been ended and crime will start to rise again.

I'm very sorry to hear the stop and frisk policy has ended.

 

[OldLady]

I cannot fathom why Hillary even opened her mouth. Doesn't she realize that many of the Democrat party are NRA members and avid hunters? I also cannot fathom why Obama, who is supposed to be the leader of the Democrat Party, opted to use executive order to infuriate a whole bunch of voters. He could easily have simply done nothing and eased on out of office. His action will cause some who were sitting on the fence to vote against Hillary especially since she has decided to enter the fray as well. There are an awful lot of Democrats and Independents who are heavily into guns. To me, it's a stupid political move on both Obama's and Hillary's part.

She is NOT trying to take guns away from you.

I have no idea what you mean by a "moderate" gun owner?

In reality, there are only two categories of gun owners.

1) Legal gun owners who obey the law.

2) Criminals who own illegal guns.

And mentally ill people who buy guns legally and then let loose in a public place.

According to the form that is filled out when a person buys a firearm from a FFL dealer, a mentally ill person cannot legally purchase a firearm. So, your attempt to rebut him fails.

How does the seller know the person is mentally ill if he/she has never been hospitalized?

The same way the government knows a person registering to vote is a citizen, they check a box.

That was my point, and my sole point, about three categories of gun owners. The yet to be arrested crazies are out there.