History Is Clear: Socialism Isn't the Cure. So Why Do Millennials Like It?

[there4eyeM]

Very true
It is labor that is creating he revenue
They receive only a fraction in return

Labor does not create revenue. A capitalist who knows how to manage labor is who creates the revenue. The capitalist pays a fraction to the laborer, fractions to overhead, fractions to taxes, and a fraction for himself.

It is labor who creates something of value (wealth)
Capitalists just move money around

"Capitalists" are as capable as anyone to create wealth, and the system called capitalism is responsible for great wealth creation. The part of capitalism where money just makes a profit is often separate.

 

[there4eyeM]

The error of "workers" is that they did not do the obvious; negotiate becoming owners of the enterprises they worked together for.
It isn't too late.

 

[ScorpioRising007]

Every generation have ideals they become interested in trying, like socialism - regardless of what history teaches about the outcomes. There will be a day when these younger generations are in the majority and will have it their way. Conservatives will only be able to hold it off for so long. When it comes, God help us all.

I just hope I'm not alive to see a socialist America.

I was watching videos from an online college course online and a professor from Russia was saying Marx had said in order for Socialism to work first you needed Capitalism. He said the reason other countries have not been as successful implementing Socialism is they rushed into it to quickly. They first needed to be like the United States and be a Capitalistic economy for many generations before they could progress to Socialism. Marx had warned first you needed Capitalism before you can progress to Socialism.

The United States would be different from other countries because our government has been a form of Capitalism for a very long time. When we change our Government to a socialist one our nation will flourish, because we are doing the necessary first steps Marx said needed to be done in order for Socialism to work.

We already are a hybrid of Capitalism/ Socialism. We just need to get more Socialist and less Capitalistic. Good steps would be expanding Obamacare or Medicare for all, a Wealth Tax, higher unemployment benefits, more money given out for food stamps, more opportunity for low-income housing given out by the government.

 

[jc456]

As long as we have Trumpsters advocating for their version of "capitalism", the socialists will have a chance.

Our version? What is that exactly?

Alan Greenspan's version.

The version he later admitted before Congress was wrong and led to the Meltdown.

I know. You haven't been told about this, and I know you won't look it up.

You asked.
.

Led to what meltdown?

 

[jc456]

Haha..”brand of socialism”....WTF?
Fucking hilarious, I gotta hand it to you...you people really work hard to fabricate new angles to justify your begging for free shit. You’ll go as far as pretending there are multiple definitions for “socialism”. Good ole Mac1958 tries to sell that bullshit constantly.

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun

1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

I see.


- YOU accuse US of wanting "SOCIALISM" (in the extreme sense of the word)
- we explain to you that we don't want SOCIALISM like venezuela or china
- we then say "we like limited socialism like in Norway, where they have a MIX of capitalism and some socialist programs (cheap/affordable health care and education)
- you then shout "THERE IS NO SUCH THING as LIMITED SOCIALISM!"

even though we can all see Norway and Sweden and Denmark on our globes....

you are truly insane

Good thing you have a microscope

what's the population of those three countries combined?

This is a pretty legit question, and the answer is that the three of them combined are about the same population as Florida.

But there's a better example of a system that has limited socialism, and you're probably standing in it. We are a capitalist society, obviously, but we also have:

- Social Security
- Medicaid and Medicare
- VA Health Care
- The GI Bill
- All of the military, for that matter
- Cops and fire fighters
- Secret Service and Border Patrol
- Public defenders
- Trash collection, sewers, and landfills
- Crash-free airports
- Roads, bridges, and trains- Public transportation
- Public prisons
- Public libraries and museums
- Public parks and zoos
- Public schools, colleges, and universities
- Pell Grants and government scholarships
- The US Postal Service
- The National Weather Service
- The Peace Corps
- Agriculture and energy subsidies
- Decent food, clean air, clean water
- The CDC
- OSHA
- FEMA
- Snow removal
- Streetlights
- Streets

And a lot more. All of these are examples of socialist programs within our capitalist society.

Thank you, what I'd like to add is this: The GOP, if it gets its way, wants to privatize most, if not all of your bullet points.

Why do you need government for those?

 

[Mac1958]

As long as we have Trumpsters advocating for their version of "capitalism", the socialists will have a chance.

Our version? What is that exactly?

Alan Greenspan's version.

The version he later admitted before Congress was wrong and led to the Meltdown.

I know. You haven't been told about this, and I know you won't look it up.

You asked.
.

Led to what meltdown?

Holy shit.

Never mind.
.

 

[jc456]

As long as we have Trumpsters advocating for their version of "capitalism", the socialists will have a chance.

Our version? What is that exactly?

Alan Greenspan's version.

The version he later admitted before Congress was wrong and led to the Meltdown.

I know. You haven't been told about this, and I know you won't look it up.

You asked.
.

Led to what meltdown?

Holy shit.

Never mind.
.

Can’t tell me what meltdown?

 

[Mac1958]

As long as we have Trumpsters advocating for their version of "capitalism", the socialists will have a chance.

Our version? What is that exactly?

Alan Greenspan's version.

The version he later admitted before Congress was wrong and led to the Meltdown.

I know. You haven't been told about this, and I know you won't look it up.

You asked.
.

Led to what meltdown?

Holy shit.

Never mind.
.

Can’t tell me what meltdown?

No I can't. If you're so deep in the vacuum that you don't know about the Meltdown, I'm afraid I don't have the energy or motivation to inform you about it.

Never mind. You're right. Whatever they're telling you in the vacuum, you're right.
.

 

[Mac1958]

This is getting scary.

 

[jc456]

Our version? What is that exactly?

Alan Greenspan's version.

The version he later admitted before Congress was wrong and led to the Meltdown.

I know. You haven't been told about this, and I know you won't look it up.

You asked.
.

Led to what meltdown?

Holy shit.

Never mind.
.

Can’t tell me what meltdown?

No I can't. If you're so deep in the vacuum that you don't know about the Meltdown, I'm afraid I don't have the energy or motivation to inform you about it.

Never mind. You're right. Whatever they're telling you in the vacuum, you're right.
.

I have no idea what you’re referencing. If you’re referring to 2007, hahaha hahaha

 

[jc456]

Alan Greenspan's version.

The version he later admitted before Congress was wrong and led to the Meltdown.

I know. You haven't been told about this, and I know you won't look it up.

You asked.
.

Led to what meltdown?

Holy shit.

Never mind.
.

Can’t tell me what meltdown?

No I can't. If you're so deep in the vacuum that you don't know about the Meltdown, I'm afraid I don't have the energy or motivation to inform you about it.

Never mind. You're right. Whatever they're telling you in the vacuum, you're right.
.

I have no idea what you’re referencing. If you’re referring to 2007, hahaha hahaha

Mac1958 a throw and go

 

[jc456]

I'm a financial/investment advisor, CFP, ChFC, CLU, 7/65, and a far better capitalist than you'll ever be.

You've been conned. And as a result, you've helped the socialists gain a solid foothold on our society.

Great job, Trumpster. They should be thanking you for your Trumpian mix of arrogance and ignorance.
.

Your post is word salad. It sounds as if you are a lefty who is defending socialism while you are also claiming to be a great capitalist.

Your job title doesn't mean anything in this post, since you could very well be a failing financial advisor who blames his failure on capitalism.

You claim to a better capitalist than I am, but you don't know enough about me to make that claim.

Quit blaming your incompetence and failure on capitalism.

Yes, you Trumpsters do get confused if I use words and concepts that aren't simple enough.

One of your "peers" calls it "smart guy mumbo jumbo".

I dumb it down the best I can for you guys. If you still don't get it, tough shit. Go back to your radio.
.

Naw, you’re confused we know

 

[rightwinger]

The error of "workers" is that they did not do the obvious; negotiate becoming owners of the enterprises they worked together for.
It isn't too late.

Some corporations give stock options to workers
Corporate executives do much better

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Every generation have ideals they become interested in trying, like socialism - regardless of what history teaches about the outcomes. There will be a day when these younger generations are in the majority and will have it their way. Conservatives will only be able to hold it off for so long. When it comes, God help us all.

I just hope I'm not alive to see a socialist America.

I was watching videos from an online college course online and a professor from Russia was saying Marx had said in order for Socialism to work first you needed Capitalism. He said the reason other countries have not been as successful implementing Socialism is they rushed into it to quickly. They first needed to be like the United States and be a Capitalistic economy for many generations before they could progress to Socialism. Marx had warned first you needed Capitalism before you can progress to Socialism.

The United States would be different from other countries because our government has been a form of Capitalism for a very long time. When we change our Government to a socialist one our nation will flourish, because we are doing the necessary first steps Marx said needed to be done in order for Socialism to work.

We already are a hybrid of Capitalism/ Socialism. We just need to get more Socialist and less Capitalistic. Good steps would be expanding Obamacare or Medicare for all, a Wealth Tax, higher unemployment benefits, more money given out for food stamps, more opportunity for low-income housing given out by the government.

So why is it Socialism needs capitalism but capitalism doesn't need Socialism?

How about this: We need capitalism, but we don't need Socialism. If it's not broke, don't fix it.

 

[Votto]

The answer is clear, but the Right doesn't like it. Or, more likely, they won't understand it.

It's the fact that capitalism has been so damaged and distorted that more people are open to other ideas.

And there ya go.
.

Try going outside the US and see how socialized countries are compared to the US.

The US is nirvana compared to the hell holes Leftists want the US to become more like. That is why immigrants start in places like Argentina and work their way all up through South America and into Central America and don't stop will they have crossed the US border.

Meanwhile, we are to be convinced by the Left that these same immigrants that keep pouring across the border are put in Nazi concentration camps, yet they keep coming anyway?

Bunch of BS!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Very true
It is labor that is creating he revenue
They receive only a fraction in return

Labor does not create revenue. A capitalist who knows how to manage labor is who creates the revenue. The capitalist pays a fraction to the laborer, fractions to overhead, fractions to taxes, and a fraction for himself.

It is labor who creates something of value (wealth)
Capitalists just move money around

Labor would be worthless without somebody giving them the labor and paying them for it. Go find someplace and dig a hole for no reason. You will labor, but you won't create any wealth.

If you make stock investments, and profit very well, you are the one who created that wealth. It was your money, you took the risks, you called the shots, you will pay the taxes on that wealth. It is not your stock brokers wealth, it's yours. He only did the work you hired him for and you both agreed on the set wage for that work. He or she is not entitled to a dime more regardless how much profit you made.

You can't say the stock broker created the wealth because without him, you could have never made the investment, therefore he's entitled to half of your profit.

 

[Mac1958]

The answer is clear, but the Right doesn't like it. Or, more likely, they won't understand it.

It's the fact that capitalism has been so damaged and distorted that more people are open to other ideas.

And there ya go.
.

Try going outside the US and see how socialized countries are compared to the US.

The US is nirvana compared to the hell holes Leftists want the US to become more like. That is why immigrants start in places like Argentina and work their way all up through South America and into Central America and don't stop will they have crossed the US border.

Meanwhile, we are to be convinced by the Left that these same immigrants that keep pouring across the border are put in Nazi concentration camps, yet they keep coming anyway?

Bunch of BS!

Trumpsters are thinking Venezuela and South America. Everyone else is thinking Canada, Germany and Australia.

So you're misinformed.
.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I see.


- YOU accuse US of wanting "SOCIALISM" (in the extreme sense of the word)
- we explain to you that we don't want SOCIALISM like venezuela or china
- we then say "we like limited socialism like in Norway, where they have a MIX of capitalism and some socialist programs (cheap/affordable health care and education)
- you then shout "THERE IS NO SUCH THING as LIMITED SOCIALISM!"

even though we can all see Norway and Sweden and Denmark on our globes....

you are truly insane

Good thing you have a microscope

what's the population of those three countries combined?

This is a pretty legit question, and the answer is that the three of them combined are about the same population as Florida.

But there's a better example of a system that has limited socialism, and you're probably standing in it. We are a capitalist society, obviously, but we also have:

- Social Security
- Medicaid and Medicare
- VA Health Care
- The GI Bill
- All of the military, for that matter
- Cops and fire fighters
- Secret Service and Border Patrol
- Public defenders
- Trash collection, sewers, and landfills
- Crash-free airports
- Roads, bridges, and trains- Public transportation
- Public prisons
- Public libraries and museums
- Public parks and zoos
- Public schools, colleges, and universities
- Pell Grants and government scholarships
- The US Postal Service
- The National Weather Service
- The Peace Corps
- Agriculture and energy subsidies
- Decent food, clean air, clean water
- The CDC
- OSHA
- FEMA
- Snow removal
- Streetlights
- Streets

And a lot more. All of these are examples of socialist programs within our capitalist society.

Thank you, what I'd like to add is this: The GOP, if it gets its way, wants to privatize most, if not all of your bullet points.

Why do you need government for those?

A question ^^^ based on ignorance. It appears this questioner is completely ignorant of the problems which occurred under the Article of Confederation.

 

[jc456]

Good thing you have a microscope

what's the population of those three countries combined?

This is a pretty legit question, and the answer is that the three of them combined are about the same population as Florida.

But there's a better example of a system that has limited socialism, and you're probably standing in it. We are a capitalist society, obviously, but we also have:

- Social Security
- Medicaid and Medicare
- VA Health Care
- The GI Bill
- All of the military, for that matter
- Cops and fire fighters
- Secret Service and Border Patrol
- Public defenders
- Trash collection, sewers, and landfills
- Crash-free airports
- Roads, bridges, and trains- Public transportation
- Public prisons
- Public libraries and museums
- Public parks and zoos
- Public schools, colleges, and universities
- Pell Grants and government scholarships
- The US Postal Service
- The National Weather Service
- The Peace Corps
- Agriculture and energy subsidies
- Decent food, clean air, clean water
- The CDC
- OSHA
- FEMA
- Snow removal
- Streetlights
- Streets

And a lot more. All of these are examples of socialist programs within our capitalist society.

Thank you, what I'd like to add is this: The GOP, if it gets its way, wants to privatize most, if not all of your bullet points.

Why do you need government for those?

A question ^^^ based on ignorance. It appears this questioner is completely ignorant of the problems which occurred under the Article of Confederation.

Tell me

 

[Wry Catcher]

Very true
It is labor that is creating he revenue
They receive only a fraction in return

Labor does not create revenue. A capitalist who knows how to manage labor is who creates the revenue. The capitalist pays a fraction to the laborer, fractions to overhead, fractions to taxes, and a fraction for himself.

It is labor who creates something of value (wealth)
Capitalists just move money around

Labor would be worthless without somebody giving them the labor and paying them for it. Go find someplace and dig a hole for no reason. You will labor, but you won't create any wealth.

If you make stock investments, and profit very well, you are the one who created that wealth. It was your money, you took the risks, you called the shots, you will pay the taxes on that wealth. It is not your stock brokers wealth, it's yours. He only did the work you hired him for and you both agreed on the set wage for that work. He or she is not entitled to a dime more regardless how much profit you made.

You can't say the stock broker created the wealth because without him, you could have never made the investment, therefore he's entitled to half of your profit.

The wealthy** would not be so without laborers. I suppose you were watching Fox and Friends this morning, and must get your ideological rhetoric from similar sources.

**People like trump and other children and grandchildren of the wealthy, excepted.

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