History Is Clear: Socialism Isn't the Cure. So Why Do Millennials Like It?

[rightwinger]

Every generation have ideals they become interested in trying, like socialism - regardless of what history teaches about the outcomes. There will be a day when these younger generations are in the majority and will have it their way. Conservatives will only be able to hold it off for so long. When it comes, God help us all.

I just hope I'm not alive to see a socialist America.

I was watching videos from an online college course online and a professor from Russia was saying Marx had said in order for Socialism to work first you needed Capitalism. He said the reason other countries have not been as successful implementing Socialism is they rushed into it to quickly. They first needed to be like the United States and be a Capitalistic economy for many generations before they could progress to Socialism. Marx had warned first you needed Capitalism before you can progress to Socialism.

The United States would be different from other countries because our government has been a form of Capitalism for a very long time. When we change our Government to a socialist one our nation will flourish, because we are doing the necessary first steps Marx said needed to be done in order for Socialism to work.

We already are a hybrid of Capitalism/ Socialism. We just need to get more Socialist and less Capitalistic. Good steps would be expanding Obamacare or Medicare for all, a Wealth Tax, higher unemployment benefits, more money given out for food stamps, more opportunity for low-income housing given out by the government.

So why is it Socialism needs capitalism but capitalism doesn't need Socialism?

How about this: We need capitalism, but we don't need Socialism. If it's not broke, don't fix it.

Capitalism needs Socialism

Unchecked Capitalism without regard for the well being of the masses leads to revolution.

Look at France, Russia, Cuba

There are plenty of checks in place in the US.

As there should be

Government is needed to keep Capitalism in check

 

[rightwinger]

Every generation have ideals they become interested in trying, like socialism - regardless of what history teaches about the outcomes. There will be a day when these younger generations are in the majority and will have it their way. Conservatives will only be able to hold it off for so long. When it comes, God help us all.

I just hope I'm not alive to see a socialist America.

I was watching videos from an online college course online and a professor from Russia was saying Marx had said in order for Socialism to work first you needed Capitalism. He said the reason other countries have not been as successful implementing Socialism is they rushed into it to quickly. They first needed to be like the United States and be a Capitalistic economy for many generations before they could progress to Socialism. Marx had warned first you needed Capitalism before you can progress to Socialism.

The United States would be different from other countries because our government has been a form of Capitalism for a very long time. When we change our Government to a socialist one our nation will flourish, because we are doing the necessary first steps Marx said needed to be done in order for Socialism to work.

We already are a hybrid of Capitalism/ Socialism. We just need to get more Socialist and less Capitalistic. Good steps would be expanding Obamacare or Medicare for all, a Wealth Tax, higher unemployment benefits, more money given out for food stamps, more opportunity for low-income housing given out by the government.

So why is it Socialism needs capitalism but capitalism doesn't need Socialism?

How about this: We need capitalism, but we don't need Socialism. If it's not broke, don't fix it.

Capitalism needs Socialism

Unchecked Capitalism without regard for the well being of the masses leads to revolution.

Look at France, Russia, Cuba

Capitalism does not need socialism, neither does our country. It's just making everybody lazy and irresponsible, not to mention government dependent.

Social programs protect capitalism.
Without protections of the working class, you are headed for a revolution

 

[Mac1958]

A PERFECT and PREDICTABLE example of what happens when capitalism is under-controlled.

Richest 1% of Americans Close to Surpassing Wealth of Middle Class (Bloomberg - Are you a robot?)

Meanwhile: 78% Of Workers Live Paycheck To Paycheck

Great job, nutters. THIS is why socialism is becoming more popular. Congrats.
.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Every generation have ideals they become interested in trying, like socialism - regardless of what history teaches about the outcomes. There will be a day when these younger generations are in the majority and will have it their way. Conservatives will only be able to hold it off for so long. When it comes, God help us all.

I just hope I'm not alive to see a socialist America.

I was watching videos from an online college course online and a professor from Russia was saying Marx had said in order for Socialism to work first you needed Capitalism. He said the reason other countries have not been as successful implementing Socialism is they rushed into it to quickly. They first needed to be like the United States and be a Capitalistic economy for many generations before they could progress to Socialism. Marx had warned first you needed Capitalism before you can progress to Socialism.

The United States would be different from other countries because our government has been a form of Capitalism for a very long time. When we change our Government to a socialist one our nation will flourish, because we are doing the necessary first steps Marx said needed to be done in order for Socialism to work.

We already are a hybrid of Capitalism/ Socialism. We just need to get more Socialist and less Capitalistic. Good steps would be expanding Obamacare or Medicare for all, a Wealth Tax, higher unemployment benefits, more money given out for food stamps, more opportunity for low-income housing given out by the government.

So why is it Socialism needs capitalism but capitalism doesn't need Socialism?

How about this: We need capitalism, but we don't need Socialism. If it's not broke, don't fix it.

Capitalism needs Socialism

Unchecked Capitalism without regard for the well being of the masses leads to revolution.

Look at France, Russia, Cuba

Capitalism does not need socialism, neither does our country. It's just making everybody lazy and irresponsible, not to mention government dependent.

Social programs protect capitalism.
Without protections of the working class, you are headed for a revolution

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution, that grants Congress the right of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

Now just imagine what our taxes and debts would be like today if we only adhered to Madison's words.

 

[jc456]

O

Good thing you have a microscope

what's the population of those three countries combined?

This is a pretty legit question, and the answer is that the three of them combined are about the same population as Florida.

But there's a better example of a system that has limited socialism, and you're probably standing in it. We are a capitalist society, obviously, but we also have:

- Social Security
- Medicaid and Medicare
- VA Health Care
- The GI Bill
- All of the military, for that matter
- Cops and fire fighters
- Secret Service and Border Patrol
- Public defenders
- Trash collection, sewers, and landfills
- Crash-free airports
- Roads, bridges, and trains- Public transportation
- Public prisons
- Public libraries and museums
- Public parks and zoos
- Public schools, colleges, and universities
- Pell Grants and government scholarships
- The US Postal Service
- The National Weather Service
- The Peace Corps
- Agriculture and energy subsidies
- Decent food, clean air, clean water
- The CDC
- OSHA
- FEMA
- Snow removal
- Streetlights
- Streets

And a lot more. All of these are examples of socialist programs within our capitalist society.

Social Security is a Ponzi scheme. The population will pay for security, healthcare, police, fire, and local government to get us roads . That’s not socialism, that’s money pooled for basic life.

Oh, and the population will also give money to charity to care for the needy. Not governmen.

I read Friday that peloser pulled 2.4 billion from Social security to cover costs for her impeachment hoax t

"Oh, and the population will also give money to charity to care for the needy. Not governmen."


sure


white conservative christians will gladly give to charities

as long as those charities don't include gays, muslims, atheists, feminists, liberals, democrats

When you have nothing eh punk. What do gays Muslims and everyone else you mention need help over needy folks?

 

[rightwinger]

I was watching videos from an online college course online and a professor from Russia was saying Marx had said in order for Socialism to work first you needed Capitalism. He said the reason other countries have not been as successful implementing Socialism is they rushed into it to quickly. They first needed to be like the United States and be a Capitalistic economy for many generations before they could progress to Socialism. Marx had warned first you needed Capitalism before you can progress to Socialism.

The United States would be different from other countries because our government has been a form of Capitalism for a very long time. When we change our Government to a socialist one our nation will flourish, because we are doing the necessary first steps Marx said needed to be done in order for Socialism to work.

We already are a hybrid of Capitalism/ Socialism. We just need to get more Socialist and less Capitalistic. Good steps would be expanding Obamacare or Medicare for all, a Wealth Tax, higher unemployment benefits, more money given out for food stamps, more opportunity for low-income housing given out by the government.

So why is it Socialism needs capitalism but capitalism doesn't need Socialism?

How about this: We need capitalism, but we don't need Socialism. If it's not broke, don't fix it.

Capitalism needs Socialism

Unchecked Capitalism without regard for the well being of the masses leads to revolution.

Look at France, Russia, Cuba

Capitalism does not need socialism, neither does our country. It's just making everybody lazy and irresponsible, not to mention government dependent.

Social programs protect capitalism.
Without protections of the working class, you are headed for a revolution

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution, that grants Congress the right of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

Now just imagine what our taxes and debts would be like today if we only adhered to Madison's words.

Madison was a douche. As were most founders when it came to social programs. But note that they put nothing in the Constitution about helping We the People

His personal ignorance of how society works has no bearing on today

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So why is it Socialism needs capitalism but capitalism doesn't need Socialism?

How about this: We need capitalism, but we don't need Socialism. If it's not broke, don't fix it.

Capitalism needs Socialism

Unchecked Capitalism without regard for the well being of the masses leads to revolution.

Look at France, Russia, Cuba

Capitalism does not need socialism, neither does our country. It's just making everybody lazy and irresponsible, not to mention government dependent.

Social programs protect capitalism.
Without protections of the working class, you are headed for a revolution

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution, that grants Congress the right of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

Now just imagine what our taxes and debts would be like today if we only adhered to Madison's words.

Madison was a douche. As were most founders when it came to social programs. But note that they put nothing in the Constitution about helping We the People

His personal ignorance of how society works has no bearing on today

Madison was a genius in that he foreseen what our country could become by making our federal government into a charity instead of a governing body. It's what we Republicans refer to as the cart theory.

The people of a town build a cart. They are able to pull it effortlessly as it flies down the road. After a while, some people get tired of pulling the cart, and jump inside the cart instead. Before you know it, half of the people are in the cart and the other half pulling it. At that point the cart stops.

 

[rightwinger]

Capitalism needs Socialism

Unchecked Capitalism without regard for the well being of the masses leads to revolution.

Look at France, Russia, Cuba

Capitalism does not need socialism, neither does our country. It's just making everybody lazy and irresponsible, not to mention government dependent.

Social programs protect capitalism.
Without protections of the working class, you are headed for a revolution

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution, that grants Congress the right of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

Now just imagine what our taxes and debts would be like today if we only adhered to Madison's words.

Madison was a douche. As were most founders when it came to social programs. But note that they put nothing in the Constitution about helping We the People

His personal ignorance of how society works has no bearing on today

Madison was a genius in that he foreseen what our country could become by making our federal government into a charity instead of a governing body. It's what we Republicans refer to as the cart theory.

The people of a town build a cart. They are able to pull it effortlessly as it flies down the road. After a while, some people get tired of pulling the cart, and jump inside the cart instead. Before you know it, half of the people are in the cart and the other half pulling it. At that point the cart stops.

View attachment 289194

Madison was a genius for 1780. Didn’t help when he almost lost the country on 1812

No politicians of that era understood modern societies
Shit, Madison even supported slavery

 

[anynameyouwish]

Capitalism needs Socialism

Unchecked Capitalism without regard for the well being of the masses leads to revolution.

Look at France, Russia, Cuba

Capitalism does not need socialism, neither does our country. It's just making everybody lazy and irresponsible, not to mention government dependent.

Social programs protect capitalism.
Without protections of the working class, you are headed for a revolution

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution, that grants Congress the right of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

Now just imagine what our taxes and debts would be like today if we only adhered to Madison's words.

Madison was a douche. As were most founders when it came to social programs. But note that they put nothing in the Constitution about helping We the People

His personal ignorance of how society works has no bearing on today

Madison was a genius in that he foreseen what our country could become by making our federal government into a charity instead of a governing body. It's what we Republicans refer to as the cart theory.

The people of a town build a cart. They are able to pull it effortlessly as it flies down the road. After a while, some people get tired of pulling the cart, and jump inside the cart instead. Before you know it, half of the people are in the cart and the other half pulling it. At that point the cart stops.

View attachment 289194

"The people of a town build a cart. They are able to pull it effortlessly as it flies down the road. After a while, some people get tired of pulling the cart, and jump inside the cart instead."


so trump and all the billionaire and super rich get into the cart....


then what happens?


" Before you know it, half of the people are in the cart and the other half pulling it."


That's not what I see.....


the super rich are in the cart

the poor are not in the cart at all!

they are cartless

and everyone actually working is pullng the cart.

Now THAT is a more real picture.


I was reading that some bars in new york city and japan (perhaps elsewhere) have gone totally automated! no bartender or barmaids. You go in, order your drink, insert your credit card and machines do all the work!


real neat.....

Now the bartenders and barmaids of the world are out of the cart.....

cars that drive themselves
trucks that drive their own goods to the stores
automatic check-out machines
self driving taxis
computers and machines and robots doing the work of thousands, millions.

So....let's get back to that cart.....

its' the year 2100!

the rich are all still IN the cart but there are NO people pulling it....its' being pulled by computers and robots and machines.....


DO you republicans think all the NON-cart pulling people of the world should just starve to death or do you want to hunt them down for sport?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Capitalism does not need socialism, neither does our country. It's just making everybody lazy and irresponsible, not to mention government dependent.

Social programs protect capitalism.
Without protections of the working class, you are headed for a revolution

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution, that grants Congress the right of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

Now just imagine what our taxes and debts would be like today if we only adhered to Madison's words.

Madison was a douche. As were most founders when it came to social programs. But note that they put nothing in the Constitution about helping We the People

His personal ignorance of how society works has no bearing on today

Madison was a genius in that he foreseen what our country could become by making our federal government into a charity instead of a governing body. It's what we Republicans refer to as the cart theory.

The people of a town build a cart. They are able to pull it effortlessly as it flies down the road. After a while, some people get tired of pulling the cart, and jump inside the cart instead. Before you know it, half of the people are in the cart and the other half pulling it. At that point the cart stops.

View attachment 289194

"The people of a town build a cart. They are able to pull it effortlessly as it flies down the road. After a while, some people get tired of pulling the cart, and jump inside the cart instead."


so trump and all the billionaire and super rich get into the cart....


then what happens?


" Before you know it, half of the people are in the cart and the other half pulling it."


That's not what I see.....


the super rich are in the cart

the poor are not in the cart at all!

they are cartless

and everyone actually working is pullng the cart.

Now THAT is a more real picture.


I was reading that some bars in new york city and japan (perhaps elsewhere) have gone totally automated! no bartender or barmaids. You go in, order your drink, insert your credit card and machines do all the work!


real neat.....

Now the bartenders and barmaids of the world are out of the cart.....

cars that drive themselves
trucks that drive their own goods to the stores
automatic check-out machines
self driving taxis
computers and machines and robots doing the work of thousands, millions.

So....let's get back to that cart.....

its' the year 2100!

the rich are all still IN the cart but there are NO people pulling it....its' being pulled by computers and robots and machines.....


DO you republicans think all the NON-cart pulling people of the world should just starve to death or do you want to hunt them down for sport?

Perhaps my analogy didn't sink in. There are no rich in the cart because they don't need the help. They are the people who created the cart, and make them better all the time.

Let me ask, are you against backhoes that sped up the building process of your home? How about the bulldozer that dug out your basement? Do you have an ice box where a guy comes once every other day to install a fresh block of ice, or are you happy with your refrigerator that doesn't require ice to keep it cold? What about that coal man you put out of business by having a gas or electric furnace?

Automation and technology never stop. Unfortunately, it does put people out of work. But it isn't a Republican or Democrat thing. After all, where is Silicon Vally located at? Who owns Apple computers, Microsoft, and all of social media?

The cart analogy was to demonstrate that it's the dregs of our society that hold us back as a whole, not the producers. Because if we took all the so-called poor, put them on an island somewhere, they would not only never be missed, but society would be the better for it. Put all those wealthy people on an island, our country collapses.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Capitalism does not need socialism, neither does our country. It's just making everybody lazy and irresponsible, not to mention government dependent.

Social programs protect capitalism.
Without protections of the working class, you are headed for a revolution

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution, that grants Congress the right of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

Now just imagine what our taxes and debts would be like today if we only adhered to Madison's words.

Madison was a douche. As were most founders when it came to social programs. But note that they put nothing in the Constitution about helping We the People

His personal ignorance of how society works has no bearing on today

Madison was a genius in that he foreseen what our country could become by making our federal government into a charity instead of a governing body. It's what we Republicans refer to as the cart theory.

The people of a town build a cart. They are able to pull it effortlessly as it flies down the road. After a while, some people get tired of pulling the cart, and jump inside the cart instead. Before you know it, half of the people are in the cart and the other half pulling it. At that point the cart stops.

View attachment 289194

Madison was a genius for 1780. Didn’t help when he almost lost the country on 1812

No politicians of that era understood modern societies
Shit, Madison even supported slavery

A lot of people supported slavery at the time because it was the norm. Perhaps in 100 years from now, we will be looked on as inhumane because we have animals for pets. But today, it's quite normal.

Politicians didn't have to understand modern societies to realize government dependency is destructive. They could have easily developed programs like government log cabins. They could have given vouchers to people so they could buy farmed goods. They could have had programs like Cash for Carriages. But they didn't, because they realized that government providing for people makes them less inclined to provide for themselves.

The federal government was not created to support the people, except what was outlined in the US Constitution. Charity came from religions or at the most, state governments. But the federal government was not supposed to be a charity.

 

[jc456]

Capitalism does not need socialism, neither does our country. It's just making everybody lazy and irresponsible, not to mention government dependent.

Social programs protect capitalism.
Without protections of the working class, you are headed for a revolution

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution, that grants Congress the right of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

Now just imagine what our taxes and debts would be like today if we only adhered to Madison's words.

Madison was a douche. As were most founders when it came to social programs. But note that they put nothing in the Constitution about helping We the People

His personal ignorance of how society works has no bearing on today

Madison was a genius in that he foreseen what our country could become by making our federal government into a charity instead of a governing body. It's what we Republicans refer to as the cart theory.

The people of a town build a cart. They are able to pull it effortlessly as it flies down the road. After a while, some people get tired of pulling the cart, and jump inside the cart instead. Before you know it, half of the people are in the cart and the other half pulling it. At that point the cart stops.

View attachment 289194

"The people of a town build a cart. They are able to pull it effortlessly as it flies down the road. After a while, some people get tired of pulling the cart, and jump inside the cart instead."


so trump and all the billionaire and super rich get into the cart....


then what happens?


" Before you know it, half of the people are in the cart and the other half pulling it."


That's not what I see.....


the super rich are in the cart

the poor are not in the cart at all!

they are cartless

and everyone actually working is pullng the cart.

Now THAT is a more real picture.


I was reading that some bars in new york city and japan (perhaps elsewhere) have gone totally automated! no bartender or barmaids. You go in, order your drink, insert your credit card and machines do all the work!


real neat.....

Now the bartenders and barmaids of the world are out of the cart.....

cars that drive themselves
trucks that drive their own goods to the stores
automatic check-out machines
self driving taxis
computers and machines and robots doing the work of thousands, millions.

So....let's get back to that cart.....

its' the year 2100!

the rich are all still IN the cart but there are NO people pulling it....its' being pulled by computers and robots and machines.....


DO you republicans think all the NON-cart pulling people of the world should just starve to death or do you want to hunt them down for sport?

You’re lost

 

[Wry Catcher]

A question ^^^ based on ignorance. It appears this questioner is completely ignorant of the problems which occurred under the Article of Confederation.

Tell me

You've never ever heard of the Article of Confederation?

You must have grown up in Alabama.

So you can’t explain yourself

Ask yourself why the founders needed to establish the Constitutional Convention, then if you're curious watch this:

We pay federal taxes and give more power to the federal government than we do the state because the Articles of Confederation failed miserably as the first constitution. Learn the strengths and weaknesses of the Articles of Confederation here.

Articles of Confederation: Strengths & Weaknesses - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com

No

Figures.

 

[rightwinger]

Social programs protect capitalism.
Without protections of the working class, you are headed for a revolution

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution, that grants Congress the right of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

Now just imagine what our taxes and debts would be like today if we only adhered to Madison's words.

Madison was a douche. As were most founders when it came to social programs. But note that they put nothing in the Constitution about helping We the People

His personal ignorance of how society works has no bearing on today

Madison was a genius in that he foreseen what our country could become by making our federal government into a charity instead of a governing body. It's what we Republicans refer to as the cart theory.

The people of a town build a cart. They are able to pull it effortlessly as it flies down the road. After a while, some people get tired of pulling the cart, and jump inside the cart instead. Before you know it, half of the people are in the cart and the other half pulling it. At that point the cart stops.

View attachment 289194

Madison was a genius for 1780. Didn’t help when he almost lost the country on 1812

No politicians of that era understood modern societies
Shit, Madison even supported slavery

A lot of people supported slavery at the time because it was the norm. Perhaps in 100 years from now, we will be looked on as inhumane because we have animals for pets. But today, it's quite normal.

Politicians didn't have to understand modern societies to realize government dependency is destructive. They could have easily developed programs like government log cabins. They could have given vouchers to people so they could buy farmed goods. They could have had programs like Cash for Carriages. But they didn't, because they realized that government providing for people makes them less inclined to provide for themselves.

The federal government was not created to support the people, except what was outlined in the US Constitution. Charity came from religions or at the most, state governments. But the federal government was not supposed to be a charity.

Yes
Slavery was the norm
So was ignoring the needs of the poor, child labor, no public education, no public infrastructure

It was a different time......a time we have moved on from

 

[Wry Catcher]

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution, that grants Congress the right of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

Now just imagine what our taxes and debts would be like today if we only adhered to Madison's words.

Madison was a douche. As were most founders when it came to social programs. But note that they put nothing in the Constitution about helping We the People

His personal ignorance of how society works has no bearing on today

Madison was a genius in that he foreseen what our country could become by making our federal government into a charity instead of a governing body. It's what we Republicans refer to as the cart theory.

The people of a town build a cart. They are able to pull it effortlessly as it flies down the road. After a while, some people get tired of pulling the cart, and jump inside the cart instead. Before you know it, half of the people are in the cart and the other half pulling it. At that point the cart stops.

View attachment 289194

Madison was a genius for 1780. Didn’t help when he almost lost the country on 1812

No politicians of that era understood modern societies
Shit, Madison even supported slavery

A lot of people supported slavery at the time because it was the norm. Perhaps in 100 years from now, we will be looked on as inhumane because we have animals for pets. But today, it's quite normal.

Politicians didn't have to understand modern societies to realize government dependency is destructive. They could have easily developed programs like government log cabins. They could have given vouchers to people so they could buy farmed goods. They could have had programs like Cash for Carriages. But they didn't, because they realized that government providing for people makes them less inclined to provide for themselves.

The federal government was not created to support the people, except what was outlined in the US Constitution. Charity came from religions or at the most, state governments. But the federal government was not supposed to be a charity.

Yes
Slavery was the norm
So was ignoring the needs of the poor, child labor, no public education, no public infrastructure

It was a different time......a time we have moved on from

And a time when the GOP wants to return to!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution, that grants Congress the right of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

Now just imagine what our taxes and debts would be like today if we only adhered to Madison's words.

Madison was a douche. As were most founders when it came to social programs. But note that they put nothing in the Constitution about helping We the People

His personal ignorance of how society works has no bearing on today

Madison was a genius in that he foreseen what our country could become by making our federal government into a charity instead of a governing body. It's what we Republicans refer to as the cart theory.

The people of a town build a cart. They are able to pull it effortlessly as it flies down the road. After a while, some people get tired of pulling the cart, and jump inside the cart instead. Before you know it, half of the people are in the cart and the other half pulling it. At that point the cart stops.

View attachment 289194

Madison was a genius for 1780. Didn’t help when he almost lost the country on 1812

No politicians of that era understood modern societies
Shit, Madison even supported slavery

A lot of people supported slavery at the time because it was the norm. Perhaps in 100 years from now, we will be looked on as inhumane because we have animals for pets. But today, it's quite normal.

Politicians didn't have to understand modern societies to realize government dependency is destructive. They could have easily developed programs like government log cabins. They could have given vouchers to people so they could buy farmed goods. They could have had programs like Cash for Carriages. But they didn't, because they realized that government providing for people makes them less inclined to provide for themselves.

The federal government was not created to support the people, except what was outlined in the US Constitution. Charity came from religions or at the most, state governments. But the federal government was not supposed to be a charity.

Yes
Slavery was the norm
So was ignoring the needs of the poor, child labor, no public education, no public infrastructure

It was a different time......a time we have moved on from

And that wasn't the point. The point was you criticize people for participating in something that was taking place in every country around the world, and still is in some countries today.

It's like if a state executed a prisoner with a public hanging. Unacceptable by todays standards, but it was the way we executed people years ago. It helped to act as a deterrent.

 

[anynameyouwish]

Madison was a douche. As were most founders when it came to social programs. But note that they put nothing in the Constitution about helping We the People

His personal ignorance of how society works has no bearing on today

Madison was a genius in that he foreseen what our country could become by making our federal government into a charity instead of a governing body. It's what we Republicans refer to as the cart theory.

The people of a town build a cart. They are able to pull it effortlessly as it flies down the road. After a while, some people get tired of pulling the cart, and jump inside the cart instead. Before you know it, half of the people are in the cart and the other half pulling it. At that point the cart stops.

View attachment 289194

Madison was a genius for 1780. Didn’t help when he almost lost the country on 1812

No politicians of that era understood modern societies
Shit, Madison even supported slavery

A lot of people supported slavery at the time because it was the norm. Perhaps in 100 years from now, we will be looked on as inhumane because we have animals for pets. But today, it's quite normal.

Politicians didn't have to understand modern societies to realize government dependency is destructive. They could have easily developed programs like government log cabins. They could have given vouchers to people so they could buy farmed goods. They could have had programs like Cash for Carriages. But they didn't, because they realized that government providing for people makes them less inclined to provide for themselves.

The federal government was not created to support the people, except what was outlined in the US Constitution. Charity came from religions or at the most, state governments. But the federal government was not supposed to be a charity.

Yes
Slavery was the norm
So was ignoring the needs of the poor, child labor, no public education, no public infrastructure

It was a different time......a time we have moved on from

And that wasn't the point. The point was you criticize people for participating in something that was taking place in every country around the world, and still is in some countries today.

It's like if a state executed a prisoner with a public hanging. Unacceptable by todays standards, but it was the way we executed people years ago. It helped to act as a deterrent.

"And that wasn't the point. The point was you criticize people for participating in something that was taking place in every country around the world, and still is in some countries today."

according to Politicalchic and rush limbaugh DEMOCRATS gave us slavery......

 

[rightwinger]

Madison was a douche. As were most founders when it came to social programs. But note that they put nothing in the Constitution about helping We the People

His personal ignorance of how society works has no bearing on today

Madison was a genius in that he foreseen what our country could become by making our federal government into a charity instead of a governing body. It's what we Republicans refer to as the cart theory.

The people of a town build a cart. They are able to pull it effortlessly as it flies down the road. After a while, some people get tired of pulling the cart, and jump inside the cart instead. Before you know it, half of the people are in the cart and the other half pulling it. At that point the cart stops.

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Madison was a genius for 1780. Didn’t help when he almost lost the country on 1812

No politicians of that era understood modern societies
Shit, Madison even supported slavery

A lot of people supported slavery at the time because it was the norm. Perhaps in 100 years from now, we will be looked on as inhumane because we have animals for pets. But today, it's quite normal.

Politicians didn't have to understand modern societies to realize government dependency is destructive. They could have easily developed programs like government log cabins. They could have given vouchers to people so they could buy farmed goods. They could have had programs like Cash for Carriages. But they didn't, because they realized that government providing for people makes them less inclined to provide for themselves.

The federal government was not created to support the people, except what was outlined in the US Constitution. Charity came from religions or at the most, state governments. But the federal government was not supposed to be a charity.

Yes
Slavery was the norm
So was ignoring the needs of the poor, child labor, no public education, no public infrastructure

It was a different time......a time we have moved on from

And that wasn't the point. The point was you criticize people for participating in something that was taking place in every country around the world, and still is in some countries today.

It's like if a state executed a prisoner with a public hanging. Unacceptable by todays standards, but it was the way we executed people years ago. It helped to act as a deterrent.

The point was Madison having the opinion that government should not become involved in social programs

May have been appropriate for 1780, but not 2019

 

[22lcidw]

May I ask any of you? If we had no Social Security and Medicare for the aged do you believe we would have all of the other social programs? At least at the levels we do. I believe when people get a certain age and start collecting maybe they do not want to rock the boat. I know. Paying that 15% nut every payday or every quarter for others turns it into something earned and not an entitlement. But our politicians have had other plans for that 15% which was a bit lower in earlier years since it was put into the general fund. Now the pay ins are becoming more and more pay outs as the shortsightedness of the political class to live for the present when elected becomes more and more apparent. And the feds need resources with the millenials wanting socialism but not wanting to pay for it even though we have a different form of socialism going on now.

 

[rightwinger]

May I ask any of you? If we had no Social Security and Medicare for the aged do you believe we would have all of the other social programs? At least at the levels we do. I believe when people get a certain age and start collecting maybe they do not want to rock the boat. I know. Paying that 15% nut every payday or every quarter for others turns it into something earned and not an entitlement. But our politicians have had other plans for that 15% which was a bit lower in earlier years since it was put into the general fund. Now the pay ins are becoming more and more pay outs as the shortsightedness of the political class to live for the present when elected becomes more and more apparent. And the feds need resources with the millenials wanting socialism but not wanting to pay for it even though we have a different form of socialism going on now.

I think Social Security and Medicare are independent of other social programs

All are needed