Holes in the theory of evolution

[cnm]

In that case you don't understand the eye.

Ffs.

 

[cnm]

We've gone from evolution, to Mosaic Law, to the Law making sense, to weather, to healthcare. wth?

When dealing with the invincibly ignorant all subjects are one.

 

[cnm]

Scientific theory becomes fact when it can be duplicated in separate testing.

Ffs.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Scientific theory becomes fact when it can be duplicated in separate testing.

Ffs.

Here dumbass:

• Fact: Observations about the world around us. Example: “It’s bright outside.”
  
• Hypothesis: A proposed explanation for a phenomenon made as a starting point for further investigation. Example: “It’s bright outside because the sun is probably out.”
  
• Theory: A well-substantiated explanation acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation. Example: “When the sun is out, it tends to make it bright outside.”
  
• Law: A statement based on repeated experimental observations that describes some phenomenon of nature. Proof that something happens and how it happens, but not why it happens. Example: Newton’s Law of Universal Gravitation.

It is mathematically impossible for a living cell to form randomly, no matter how much you want to believe it did. There is zero randomness in DNA.

 

[rightwinger]

Scientific theory becomes fact when it can be duplicated in separate testing.

Ffs.

Here dumbass:

• Fact: Observations about the world around us. Example: “It’s bright outside.”
  
• Hypothesis: A proposed explanation for a phenomenon made as a starting point for further investigation. Example: “It’s bright outside because the sun is probably out.”
  
• Theory: A well-substantiated explanation acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation. Example: “When the sun is out, it tends to make it bright outside.”
  
• Law: A statement based on repeated experimental observations that describes some phenomenon of nature. Proof that something happens and how it happens, but not why it happens. Example: Newton’s Law of Universal Gravitation.

It is mathematically impossible for a living cell to form randomly, no matter how much you want to believe it did. There is zero randomness in DNA.

Fact
Creatures have evolved

 

[Yarddog]

Other than possibly small scale genetic changes observed by researchers, little if any hard, physical evidence exists for evolution on a global scale.

Most of the evidence is inference (ex. using assumptions to fill in the gaps); there isn't for example any physical evidence of apes evolving from microscopic organisms.

So why is the theory of evolution so often taken as absolute truth despite there being relatively little hard, physical evidence to support such as massive conclusion?

First of all, you are not well informed about the theories of evolution.

Secondly, inference is a perfectly valid method in scientific study. Without it we would not have the theories of relativity, quantum mechanics, atomic theory, or germ theory, just to name a few.

Lastly, the theories of evolution are explanations, descriptions, and predictive tools of hard data of the fact of evolution. Organisms evolve. No biologist thinks differently.

Inferring small genetic changes between descendants of a species to mean that the entire diversity of life originated solely from natural selection is a huge inference.

Biologists do not infer commom ancestry only from small genetic changes between descendants of a species. There is, among other lines of evidence, morphology and especially genetics. See retrovirus DNA signatures.

To infer that there is some arbitrary boundary where evolution stops so that one species, an arbitrary category used only by people, doesn't evolve into a new one is without logical basis. Also, natural selection is not the only theory of evolution; see sexual selection, genetic drift, etc.

Why is it only this one scientific theory with which religious fundamentalists have an issue? Relativity is currently incompatible with quantum mechanics. Why don't religious fundamentalists take issue with that, being such scientifically critical thinkers?

If someone produces a video recording of a fruit fly turning into a chimpanzee then that would be a lot more credible evidence than what currently exist.

But that wouldn't be an evidence of the theory of evolution.

It would be something else- no idea what- but not evidence of the theory of evolution.

What do you believe is the basis for the varieties of life and their distribution- on earth?

Their distributed by Colonel Sanders

 

[The Irish Ram]

Scientific theory becomes fact when it can be duplicated in separate testing.

Ffs.

Here dumbass:

• Fact: Observations about the world around us. Example: “It’s bright outside.”
  
• Hypothesis: A proposed explanation for a phenomenon made as a starting point for further investigation. Example: “It’s bright outside because the sun is probably out.”
  
• Theory: A well-substantiated explanation acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation. Example: “When the sun is out, it tends to make it bright outside.”
  
• Law: A statement based on repeated experimental observations that describes some phenomenon of nature. Proof that something happens and how it happens, but not why it happens. Example: Newton’s Law of Universal Gravitation.

It is mathematically impossible for a living cell to form randomly, no matter how much you want to believe it did. There is zero randomness in DNA.

Fact
Creatures have evolved

Fact
Creatures adapt to their environment. They do not morph into other creatures. Monkeys continue to be monkeys. Man continues to be man.

 

[Coloradomtnman]

Scientific theory becomes fact when it can be duplicated in separate testing.

Ffs.

Here dumbass:

• Fact: Observations about the world around us. Example: “It’s bright outside.”
  
• Hypothesis: A proposed explanation for a phenomenon made as a starting point for further investigation. Example: “It’s bright outside because the sun is probably out.”
  
• Theory: A well-substantiated explanation acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation. Example: “When the sun is out, it tends to make it bright outside.”
  
• Law: A statement based on repeated experimental observations that describes some phenomenon of nature. Proof that something happens and how it happens, but not why it happens. Example: Newton’s Law of Universal Gravitation.

It is mathematically impossible for a living cell to form randomly, no matter how much you want to believe it did. There is zero randomness in DNA.

Fact
Creatures have evolved

Fact
Creatures adapt to their environment. They do not morph into other creatures. Monkeys continue to be monkeys. Man continues to be man.

Populations of species continue to adapt to their ever-changing environment until those populations are unrecognizable as the same species. There is no arbitrary line at which adaptation, or evolution, stops.

Different populations of species of monkeys continue to adapt until they are no longer be categorizable as the same species of monkeys. Eventually so much time passes that we would not, if we were still around to observe the populations, recognize the species of monkeys as monkeys at all but as an entirely new species, even a new genus. After hundreds of millions or billions of years, perhaps even a new phylum.

 

[Syriusly]

Scientific theory becomes fact when it can be duplicated in separate testing.

Ffs.

e
It is mathematically impossible for a living cell to form randomly, no matter how much you want to believe it did. There is zero randomness in DNA.

According to who?

 

[Syriusly]

Scientific theory becomes fact when it can be duplicated in separate testing.

Ffs.

Here dumbass:

• Fact: Observations about the world around us. Example: “It’s bright outside.”
  
• Hypothesis: A proposed explanation for a phenomenon made as a starting point for further investigation. Example: “It’s bright outside because the sun is probably out.”
  
• Theory: A well-substantiated explanation acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation. Example: “When the sun is out, it tends to make it bright outside.”
  
• Law: A statement based on repeated experimental observations that describes some phenomenon of nature. Proof that something happens and how it happens, but not why it happens. Example: Newton’s Law of Universal Gravitation.

It is mathematically impossible for a living cell to form randomly, no matter how much you want to believe it did. There is zero randomness in DNA.

Fact
Creatures have evolved

Fact
Creatures adapt to their environment. They do not morph into other creatures. Monkeys continue to be monkeys. Man continues to be man.

Creatures do not morph into other creatures.

But subsequent generations of creatures evolve and adapt - which is why Man and Chimpanzees are both descended from a common ancestor which was neither a chimpanzee or man.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Scientific theory becomes fact when it can be duplicated in separate testing.

Ffs.

Here dumbass:

• Fact: Observations about the world around us. Example: “It’s bright outside.”
  
• Hypothesis: A proposed explanation for a phenomenon made as a starting point for further investigation. Example: “It’s bright outside because the sun is probably out.”
  
• Theory: A well-substantiated explanation acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation. Example: “When the sun is out, it tends to make it bright outside.”
  
• Law: A statement based on repeated experimental observations that describes some phenomenon of nature. Proof that something happens and how it happens, but not why it happens. Example: Newton’s Law of Universal Gravitation.

It is mathematically impossible for a living cell to form randomly, no matter how much you want to believe it did. There is zero randomness in DNA.

Fact
Creatures have evolved

Fact
Creatures adapt to their environment. They do not morph into other creatures. Monkeys continue to be monkeys. Man continues to be man.

Populations of species continue to adapt to their ever-changing environment until those populations are unrecognizable as the same species. There is no arbitrary line at which adaptation, or evolution, stops.

Different populations of species of monkeys continue to adapt until they are no longer be categorizable as the same species of monkeys. Eventually so much time passes that we would not, if we were still around to observe the populations, recognize the species of monkeys as monkeys at all but as an entirely new species, even a new genus. After hundreds of millions or billions of years, perhaps even a new phylum.

If that were the case, there would be no more monkeys, they would all be men now. Monkey DNA continues to be monkey DNA. Human DNA continues to be human. If it takes millions of years to morph from monkey to man, we would literally be walking on the millions of transitional skeletons of monkeymen. But because DNA is self correcting, it conflicts will your view that DNA makes a mistake and then for millions of years never corrects and indeed makes the same mistake without fail < never making another mistake or reverting to it's original program, until something with a whole new DNA program emerges.
One celled amoebas have always had complex DNA. If they were the first signs of life, then either their DNA has never made a mistake, or it did and then corrected, as it is designed<(programed by someone) to do because single celled amoebas continue after millions and millions and millions of years to be single celled amoebas.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Scientific theory becomes fact when it can be duplicated in separate testing.

Ffs.

e
It is mathematically impossible for a living cell to form randomly, no matter how much you want to believe it did. There is zero randomness in DNA.

According to who?

One of your own. Richard Dawkins.
Here is his calculation for just 1 of 4 strands of a hemoglobin molecule forming randomly. It is 1 in 10 to the 190th power.
Now weigh this: that is one with 190 zero's behind it. (A trillion has 12 zeros). And even at those odds it only works if they are intelligently and mechanically isolated and in close proximity. Now calculate the odds of all 4 strands getting lucky to the 190th degree all at once. In primordial sludge. It just didn't happen.

 

[Syriusly]

Scientific theory becomes fact when it can be duplicated in separate testing.

Ffs.

e
It is mathematically impossible for a living cell to form randomly, no matter how much you want to believe it did. There is zero randomness in DNA.

According to who?

One of your own. Richard Dawkins.
Here is his calculation for just 1 of 4 strands of a hemoglobin molecule forming randomly. It is 1 in 10 to the 190th power.
Now weigh this: that is one with 190 zero's behind it. (A trillion has 12 zeros). And even at those odds it only works if they are intelligently and mechanically isolated and in close proximity. Now calculate the odds of all 4 strands getting lucky to the 190th degree all at once. In primordial sludge. It just didn't happen.

Again- according to whom?

You provide no citation- you mention Richard Dawkins with no link.

And none of this has to do with evolution.

The theory of evolution does not include how life was created. The theory of evolution explains how life on earth is now.

And the theory of evolution is the scientific theory that best matches the evidence we have- and I will point out- you have presented no compelling alternative- other than 'na aaa'

 

[Syriusly]

Ffs.

Here dumbass:

• Fact: Observations about the world around us. Example: “It’s bright outside.”
  
• Hypothesis: A proposed explanation for a phenomenon made as a starting point for further investigation. Example: “It’s bright outside because the sun is probably out.”
  
• Theory: A well-substantiated explanation acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation. Example: “When the sun is out, it tends to make it bright outside.”
  
• Law: A statement based on repeated experimental observations that describes some phenomenon of nature. Proof that something happens and how it happens, but not why it happens. Example: Newton’s Law of Universal Gravitation.

It is mathematically impossible for a living cell to form randomly, no matter how much you want to believe it did. There is zero randomness in DNA.

Fact
Creatures have evolved

Fact
Creatures adapt to their environment. They do not morph into other creatures. Monkeys continue to be monkeys. Man continues to be man.

Populations of species continue to adapt to their ever-changing environment until those populations are unrecognizable as the same species. There is no arbitrary line at which adaptation, or evolution, stops.

Different populations of species of monkeys continue to adapt until they are no longer be categorizable as the same species of monkeys. Eventually so much time passes that we would not, if we were still around to observe the populations, recognize the species of monkeys as monkeys at all but as an entirely new species, even a new genus. After hundreds of millions or billions of years, perhaps even a new phylum.

If that were the case, there would be no more monkeys, they would all be men now. .

No- this is where you just expose your ignorance regarding the theory of evolution.

Monkeys never become men.

That is like you saying that your grandfather became you.

Monkeys and Humans have a common ancestor far back in our family tree- and monkeys became monkeys and humans became humans.

 

[there4eyeM]

Any 'holes' in evolution are nothing compared to the intellectual black hole of 'creationism'.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Scientific theory becomes fact when it can be duplicated in separate testing.

Ffs.

e
It is mathematically impossible for a living cell to form randomly, no matter how much you want to believe it did. There is zero randomness in DNA.

According to who?

One of your own. Richard Dawkins.
Here is his calculation for just 1 of 4 strands of a hemoglobin molecule forming randomly. It is 1 in 10 to the 190th power.
Now weigh this: that is one with 190 zero's behind it. (A trillion has 12 zeros). And even at those odds it only works if they are intelligently and mechanically isolated and in close proximity. Now calculate the odds of all 4 strands getting lucky to the 190th degree all at once. In primordial sludge. It just didn't happen.

Again- according to whom?

You provide no citation- you mention Richard Dawkins with no link.

And none of this has to do with evolution.

The theory of evolution does not include how life was created. The theory of evolution explains how life on earth is now.

And the theory of evolution is the scientific theory that best matches the evidence we have- and I will point out- you have presented no compelling alternative- other than 'na aaa'

The Blind Watchmaker Richard Dawkins
In that case how do you explain a modern birds mouth? They evolved into jaws and teeth, then devolved in to a beak?

 

[Syriusly]

Ffs.

e
It is mathematically impossible for a living cell to form randomly, no matter how much you want to believe it did. There is zero randomness in DNA.

According to who?

One of your own. Richard Dawkins.
Here is his calculation for just 1 of 4 strands of a hemoglobin molecule forming randomly. It is 1 in 10 to the 190th power.
Now weigh this: that is one with 190 zero's behind it. (A trillion has 12 zeros). And even at those odds it only works if they are intelligently and mechanically isolated and in close proximity. Now calculate the odds of all 4 strands getting lucky to the 190th degree all at once. In primordial sludge. It just didn't happen.

Again- according to whom?

You provide no citation- you mention Richard Dawkins with no link.

And none of this has to do with evolution.

The theory of evolution does not include how life was created. The theory of evolution explains how life on earth is now.

And the theory of evolution is the scientific theory that best matches the evidence we have- and I will point out- you have presented no compelling alternative- other than 'na aaa'

The Blind Watchmaker Richard Dawkins
In that case how do you explain a modern birds mouth? They evolved into jaws and teeth, then devolved in to a beak?

Nothing 'devolves'- organisms 'evolve'

A beak is perfect for birds- much lighter weight than our heavy jaws.

Now- what is your competing and compelling theory that explains life on earth?

 

[Syriusly]

Ffs.

e
It is mathematically impossible for a living cell to form randomly, no matter how much you want to believe it did. There is zero randomness in DNA.

According to who?

One of your own. Richard Dawkins.
Here is his calculation for just 1 of 4 strands of a hemoglobin molecule forming randomly. It is 1 in 10 to the 190th power.
Now weigh this: that is one with 190 zero's behind it. (A trillion has 12 zeros). And even at those odds it only works if they are intelligently and mechanically isolated and in close proximity. Now calculate the odds of all 4 strands getting lucky to the 190th degree all at once. In primordial sludge. It just didn't happen.

Again- according to whom?

You provide no citation- you mention Richard Dawkins with no link.

And none of this has to do with evolution.

The theory of evolution does not include how life was created. The theory of evolution explains how life on earth is now.

And the theory of evolution is the scientific theory that best matches the evidence we have- and I will point out- you have presented no compelling alternative- other than 'na aaa'

The Blind Watchmaker Richard Dawkins

Have you actually read the "Blind Watchmaker'?

Really?

I find that hard to believe considering that Dawkins refutes all of your positions in the book.

 

[Old Rocks]

so there's a big difference in terms of tangible evidence.

Absolutely. One can actually touch the evidence for evolution.

You can watch a boulder falling off a cliff.

You can't watch dinosaurs turning into birds, or apes into humans. Don't see why it's so complicated to explain the difference.

time

 

[Old Rocks]

Black, That is absolutely incorrect. What science finds, God used to create. Einstein discovered a forth dimension, he didn't invent it.
Long before Hawking decided that there may be an infinite amount of dimensions, the Bible was describing their attributes. Why do you think that you won't find science in the Bible?

Evolution is taken as the truth because it was taught as the truth. Darwin was a crazy man who thought his dead daughter was following him around.< That fact they forgot to teach.
Had we known then what we know now, namely DNA, we would never had heard of Darwin. To create a new species, DNA (which is wired to self correct) would have to make a mistake and then repeat the exact same mistake, without making any other mistakes for millions of years. If that were the case we would literally be walking on all of the bones of all of the missing links. Simply because our make up is similar to another species no more makes us relatives, than a watermelon's make up means it used to be a jellyfish.

You don't understand genetics or evolutionary theories. That is why they don't make sense to you.

Your assumption of my grasp of genetics and evolution is without merit. I understand genetics and theories just fine. It was crazy Darwin that didn't understand genetics. He didn't know that even a single celled amoeba has complex DNA from the git go. Lots of things escaped Darwin. There is the eye, extremely complex from the beginning.
Monkeys continue to remain monkeys. Neanderthals didn't mutate into modern man. The two co-existed. One ceased to exist. They did not morph.

This very post exposes your vast ignorance of biology and evolution. DNA was not discovered until 1953. Darwin did posit 'gemmules' as tiny particles within the cell that passed along inherited traits. But he had no way of knowing about amino acids and the structure of DNA or genes. His book was written in 1858, after Wallace also posited natural selection. The 'Origin of the Species' was published under the authors Darwin and Wallace.

No, Neandertals did not morph into Homo Sapiens, they were our cousins, and a seperate specie. But one close enough with could and did interbreed with them. Nor did we evolve from monkeys, although at some time in the far distant past we had a common ancestor.

Your knowledge of evolution is less than minimal. And every time you post nonsense such as this, you lose credibility on any subject you post on.