Hope they pass Trumpcare.....

[oreo]

As everyone well remembers, one of the biggest criticism against passing of the ACA was attributed that it passed without ANY republican approval.....So, guess what will happen when Trumpcare (at least in the House) passes without a single (well maybe one or two) Dem votes?

Further, the 30 second adds are soon to be prepared by the DNC against vulnerable GOP seats in 2018 for their vote on ultimately kicking folks out of the ACA's provision that insurance companies MUST accept to insure people with pre existing conditions.

The moronic and unfounded Trump promise that ALL would be covered at a cheaper and better premium is just that....a moronic, unfulfilled and broken promise....and all who are forced to vote for Trumpcare will ultimately have to carry that "albatross" on their back......

Want to guess which states have the MOST people who will lose coverage?....Mississippi, WV ,Al, KY, TN, SC, etc......all states that foolishly trusted the Trumpster.,

This is dead on arrival in the Senate anyway. This is just a political dog & pony show for House Republicans, whom will be running for reelection in 2018--to tell their constitutients (that they voted to repeal and replace.)

The outrage over this bill has been showing up in very red states--at the Welcome home Republican town halls.

This is Republican Senator Cotton of Arkansas and what he faced.



Salt Lake City Utah is here
Republican town halls are getting very, very nasty

These are both the redest of the red states.

As stated: "People may not know how they got medical insurance but they'll sure as hell remember who took it away from them."

 

[Rocko]

As everyone well remembers, one of the biggest criticism against passing of the ACA was attributed that it passed without ANY republican approval.....So, guess what will happen when Trumpcare (at least in the House) passes without a single (well maybe one or two) Dem votes?

Further, the 30 second adds are soon to be prepared by the DNC against vulnerable GOP seats in 2018 for their vote on ultimately kicking folks out of the ACA's provision that insurance companies MUST accept to insure people with pre existing conditions.

The moronic and unfounded Trump promise that ALL would be covered at a cheaper and better premium is just that....a moronic, unfulfilled and broken promise....and all who are forced to vote for Trumpcare will ultimately have to carry that "albatross" on their back......

Want to guess which states have the MOST people who will lose coverage?....Mississippi, WV ,Al, KY, TN, SC, etc......all states that foolishly trusted the Trumpster.,

Partisan politics over country, right?

 

[bendog]

And some GOP House members will die with it.

Won't happen, let's see Obama shut down the Govt and it was said Pubs would die a horrible death in the mid-terms. They took the House. Two year later, they took the Senate and now Hillary is knitting little sickies for Bill and Chelsea. No changes will take place until the powers that be decide they will take place. 2016 was a staged election so I'm not certain there will be any mid-terms.

The present bill would add 14K per year to my wife's insurance because she has rheumatoid arthritis. .

So instead of you paying that 14K of expenses that are by all standards of common decency your responsibility, you want the rest of us to pay it for you? Sounds like you want to foist off that "pre-existing" condition on your fellow citizens and I for one don't appreciate you advocating the federal government holding a gun to my head and forcing me to pay for YOUR expenses.

No, we're all in one pot.

So you're claiming that the fruits of my labor are yours and vice versa? Ok, when are you going to pony up and start paying some of my personal expenses? Sorry about your wife's condition, it's unfortunate but I have my own list of charitable causes that I want to service with the fruits of MY labor and your personal wants/needs/problems isn't on it as I'm sure mine are not on yours.

However if you, Fox, ever got cancer and then had a change of employement, you would be a deplorable and uninsurable.

Ummm.. there's a difference, I don't want anything that I didn't earn, in other words I never have nor would I ever expect anybody else to pay for my personal expenses under ANY circumstances because doing so is both indecent and immoral.

What you didn't earn? For fuck's sake, you couldn't pay for an HC policy on your own without MY tax dollars subsidizing your employer's cost or whatever gummi9t program you fit under, you goldbricking self-satisfied twit.

ANYONE getting HC is being subsidized by the rest of us. YOU are being subsidized.

 

[Siete]

Voting in favor of healthcare is a third rail for conservative Republicans


Make them vote on this POS bill and let them explain why in 2018

congressional voting separates the employed from the unemployed doesn't it ?

and those career politicians kinda like the $172K a year pay check.

 

[meaner gene]

[QUOTE="debbiedowner, post: 17174251, member:

GEICO can sell car insurance in any state they wish. NO health insurance company is allowed to do that.

They are prohibited by the McCarran-Ferguson Act.

GEICO can't charge 5 times as much based purely on the age of the car.

 

[Doc1]

let's see Obama shut down the Govt

REALLY??? Obama shut down the government....Is this one of those infamous "alternative facts"?
Here I thought that the House republicans controlled all budget allocations....LOL

Yes he did. I suggest a better education for you.

 

[Doc1]

[QUOTE="debbiedowner, post: 17174251, member:

GEICO can sell car insurance in any state they wish. NO health insurance company is allowed to do that.

They are prohibited by the McCarran-Ferguson Act.

GEICO can't charge 5 times as much based purely on the age of the car.

But the GEICO isn't insuring wear and tear are they? False equivalency. Besides the ACA allows a 3-1 premium differential already.

 

[Siete]

let's see Obama shut down the Govt

REALLY??? Obama shut down the government....Is this one of those infamous "alternative facts"?
Here I thought that the House republicans controlled all budget allocations....LOL

Yes he did. I suggest a better education for you.

the let me educate you ...

the funding gap was created when both houses of Congress failed to agree on a CR..

 

[meaner gene]

But the GEICO isn't insuring wear and tear are they? False equivalency. Besides the ACA allows a 3-1 premium differential already.

Trumpcare which says it will cost a tiny fraction of Obamacare, lets insurance companies increase that 3 to1, to 5 to 1.

 

[Doc1]

let's see Obama shut down the Govt

REALLY??? Obama shut down the government....Is this one of those infamous "alternative facts"?
Here I thought that the House republicans controlled all budget allocations....LOL

Yes he did. I suggest a better education for you.

the let me educate you ...

the funding gap was created when both houses of Congress failed to agree on a CR..

Had Trump rejected this latest Budget he would have shut the Gov down. The sword cuts both ways despite your knee jerk reflex to protect the Magic Negro.

 

[NightFox]

Won't happen, let's see Obama shut down the Govt and it was said Pubs would die a horrible death in the mid-terms. They took the House. Two year later, they took the Senate and now Hillary is knitting little sickies for Bill and Chelsea. No changes will take place until the powers that be decide they will take place. 2016 was a staged election so I'm not certain there will be any mid-terms.

The present bill would add 14K per year to my wife's insurance because she has rheumatoid arthritis. .

So instead of you paying that 14K of expenses that are by all standards of common decency your responsibility, you want the rest of us to pay it for you? Sounds like you want to foist off that "pre-existing" condition on your fellow citizens and I for one don't appreciate you advocating the federal government holding a gun to my head and forcing me to pay for YOUR expenses.

No, we're all in one pot.

So you're claiming that the fruits of my labor are yours and vice versa? Ok, when are you going to pony up and start paying some of my personal expenses? Sorry about your wife's condition, it's unfortunate but I have my own list of charitable causes that I want to service with the fruits of MY labor and your personal wants/needs/problems isn't on it as I'm sure mine are not on yours.

However if you, Fox, ever got cancer and then had a change of employement, you would be a deplorable and uninsurable.

Ummm.. there's a difference, I don't want anything that I didn't earn, in other words I never have nor would I ever expect anybody else to pay for my personal expenses under ANY circumstances because doing so is both indecent and immoral.

What you didn't earn? For fuck's sake, you couldn't pay for an HC policy on your own without MY tax dollars subsidizing your employer's cost

Hate to burst your bubble but your tax dollars don't subsidize anything for me, I am now and always have been a net payer as in I pay more in than I get in return. The fact of the matter is you're the one that is explicitly asking for a 14K a year subsidy from your fellow citizens, not me, I don't accept subsidies for my personal expenses since I believe it's immoral to confiscate the fruits of other peoples labor in order to benefit myself and that includes doing it at the point of a government gun.

You want 14K a year to pay for your expenses? get it in the only way that isn't morally deficient and try asking others to voluntarily give it to you.

ANYONE getting HC is being subsidized by the rest of us. YOU are being subsidized.

It's easy to make such claims, yet you have provided absolutely ZERO in the way of evidence.

 

[Doc1]

But the GEICO isn't insuring wear and tear are they? False equivalency. Besides the ACA allows a 3-1 premium differential already.

Trumpcare which says it will cost a tiny fraction of Obamacare, lets insurance companies increase that 3 to1, to 5 to 1.

I understand that, I also understand that Elder Care is exponentially more expensive.

 

[g5000]

[QUOTE="debbiedowner, post: 17174251, member:

GEICO can sell car insurance in any state they wish. NO health insurance company is allowed to do that.

They are prohibited by the McCarran-Ferguson Act.

GEICO can't charge 5 times as much based purely on the age of the car.

Wrong! The newer your car, the higher your insurance cost.

Car insurance has been going down as the cost of cars has been rising.

You can't say the same for health insurance.

Guess what the big difference is between the auto, home, and life insurance markets on one side, and the health insurance market on the other?

The difference is that only in the health insurance market is the government the biggest market player. And it gets to write the rules its competitors must follow!

How's that been working out for you?

But thanks for trying to throw smoke up to cover the fact I was right and debbiedowner was wrong. Nice try.

 

[meaner gene]

Had Trump rejected this latest Budget he would have shut the Gov down. The sword cuts both ways despite your knee jerk reflex to protect the Magic Negro.

Trump said he wants to do that in september. What's the difference between now and a few months from now? Anything to do with Trumps approval ratings being lower than dog shit?

 

[Doc1]

Had Trump rejected this latest Budget he would have shut the Gov down. The sword cuts both ways despite your knee jerk reflex to protect the Magic Negro.

Trump said he wants to do that in september. What's the difference between now and a few months from now? Anything to do with Trumps approval ratings being lower than dog shit?

The point is son that's it's President that does it. Whether it's Trump or the Magic Negro.

 

[bendog]

The present bill would add 14K per year to my wife's insurance because she has rheumatoid arthritis. .

So instead of you paying that 14K of expenses that are by all standards of common decency your responsibility, you want the rest of us to pay it for you? Sounds like you want to foist off that "pre-existing" condition on your fellow citizens and I for one don't appreciate you advocating the federal government holding a gun to my head and forcing me to pay for YOUR expenses.

No, we're all in one pot.

So you're claiming that the fruits of my labor are yours and vice versa? Ok, when are you going to pony up and start paying some of my personal expenses? Sorry about your wife's condition, it's unfortunate but I have my own list of charitable causes that I want to service with the fruits of MY labor and your personal wants/needs/problems isn't on it as I'm sure mine are not on yours.

However if you, Fox, ever got cancer and then had a change of employement, you would be a deplorable and uninsurable.

Ummm.. there's a difference, I don't want anything that I didn't earn, in other words I never have nor would I ever expect anybody else to pay for my personal expenses under ANY circumstances because doing so is both indecent and immoral.

What you didn't earn? For fuck's sake, you couldn't pay for an HC policy on your own without MY tax dollars subsidizing your employer's cost

Hate to burst your bubble but your tax dollars don't subsidize anything for me, I am now and always have been a net payer as in I pay more in than I get in return. The fact of the matter is you're the one that is explicitly asking for a 14K a year subsidy from your fellow citizens, not me, I don't accept subsidies for my personal expenses since I believe it's immoral to confiscate the fruits of other peoples labor in order to benefit myself and that includes doing it at the point of a government gun.

You want 14K a year to pay for your expenses? get it in the only way that isn't morally deficient and try asking others to voluntarily give it to you.

ANYONE getting HC is being subsidized by the rest of us. YOU are being subsidized.

It's easy to make such claims, yet you have provided absolutely ZERO in the way of evidence.

I apologize for calling you a name. however, under any set of facts YOU ARE being subsidized for over 14K per year ... if you have any private or public insurance.

 

[Doc1]

So instead of you paying that 14K of expenses that are by all standards of common decency your responsibility, you want the rest of us to pay it for you? Sounds like you want to foist off that "pre-existing" condition on your fellow citizens and I for one don't appreciate you advocating the federal government holding a gun to my head and forcing me to pay for YOUR expenses.

No, we're all in one pot.

So you're claiming that the fruits of my labor are yours and vice versa? Ok, when are you going to pony up and start paying some of my personal expenses? Sorry about your wife's condition, it's unfortunate but I have my own list of charitable causes that I want to service with the fruits of MY labor and your personal wants/needs/problems isn't on it as I'm sure mine are not on yours.

However if you, Fox, ever got cancer and then had a change of employement, you would be a deplorable and uninsurable.

Ummm.. there's a difference, I don't want anything that I didn't earn, in other words I never have nor would I ever expect anybody else to pay for my personal expenses under ANY circumstances because doing so is both indecent and immoral.

What you didn't earn? For fuck's sake, you couldn't pay for an HC policy on your own without MY tax dollars subsidizing your employer's cost

Hate to burst your bubble but your tax dollars don't subsidize anything for me, I am now and always have been a net payer as in I pay more in than I get in return. The fact of the matter is you're the one that is explicitly asking for a 14K a year subsidy from your fellow citizens, not me, I don't accept subsidies for my personal expenses since I believe it's immoral to confiscate the fruits of other peoples labor in order to benefit myself and that includes doing it at the point of a government gun.

You want 14K a year to pay for your expenses? get it in the only way that isn't morally deficient and try asking others to voluntarily give it to you.

ANYONE getting HC is being subsidized by the rest of us. YOU are being subsidized.

It's easy to make such claims, yet you have provided absolutely ZERO in the way of evidence.

I apologize for calling you a name. however, under any set of facts YOU ARE being subsidized for over 14K per year ... if you have any private or public insurance.

Show us how that is true?

 

[meaner gene]

I understand that, I also understand that Elder Care is exponentially more expensive.

Actually kids from 1 to 92, cost the same during their final year, To treat a cancer in a 10 year-old costs the same as in a 60 year-old.

 

[g5000]

I'm fine with Medicare for the elderly. However, it should not kick in until you are 70, and should be indexed to 9 percent of the population going forward.

Same with Social Security.

We are living decades longer than our ancestors who established the eligibility age at 65. We should be working longer than they did. Common sense.

Back then, only 5.4% of the population was over 65. Most people didn't make it to 65. SS was intended for people who beat the odds, not for everyone.

In 1965, when Medicare was added to the mix, 9 percent of the population was over the age of 65.

Today, 15 percent of the population is over 65.

This is a blazingly obvious unsustainable trend. The eligibility age should be rising commensurate with life expectancy.

Common fricking sense.

 

[Doc1]

I understand that, I also understand that Elder Care is exponentially more expensive.

Actually kids from 1 to 92, cost the same during their final year, To treat a cancer in a 10 year-old costs the same as in a 60 year-old.

Yawn. You know full well that per capita the old folks easily cost more than any demographic, if you DON'T know that you are just blowing smoke out of your arse.