House approves removing Capitol’s Confederate statues

[RoshawnMarkwees]

House votes to remove Confederate statues from Capitol

The House has approved a bill to remove statues of Gen. Robert E. Lee and other Confederate leaders from the U.S. Capitol, as a reckoning over racial injustice continues following the police killing of George Floyd, a Black man, in Minneapolis. The House vote also would remove a bust of Chief...

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Including a bust of Chief Justice Roger B. Taney, the author of the 1857 Dred Scott decision that declared African Americans couldn't be citizens.

Which has better odds:

1. Being tabled in the Senate

B. Being voted down in the Senate.

Why would we keep monuments to people who committed treason.

and what Fred Scott really decoded was free slaves had to be returned to the disgusting trash who owned them.

Dred Scott determined that black votes were of less value because the legacy was not of people who became American through their own volition. There is logic in that reasoning.
The other reason is because democrats like Taney feared losing black votes to republicans. Just like today.

 

[meaner gene]

The real concern in all of this is the nefarious motive behind those who are in such a hurry to comprehensively censor history.
Fuck today’s democrats and their abject anti-American bigotry.

Removing a statue is not a censor of history. The books and memories of the subject of the statue endure. This is the removal of a statue from display on public ground. Private individuals can put up statues and display them to the public, but not do so on the public dime.

When erected and displayed on land owned by the public, and open for their free assembly, they should not be forced to endure a statue abhorrent to their beliefs.

 

[Penelope]

Tabled, like most of the bill sent from the House since 2018 on.

 

[meaner gene]

Dred Scott determined that black votes were of less value because the legacy was not of people who became American through their own volition. There is logic in that reasoning.
The other reason is because democrats like Taney feared losing black votes to republicans. Just like today.

Tanney said that slaves and their offspring could never be citizens of a state by act of congress, while saying that native american indians were foreigners, and could become citizens by naturalization under the authority of congress.

 

[B. Kidd]

Being a fan of U.S. History for better and/or for worse; I choose 'tabled' since 'an incinerator' is not an option.

 

[Polishprince]

When erected and displayed on land owned by the public, and open for their free assembly, they should not be forced to endure a statue abhorrent to their beliefs.

So you would have no problem with a future president who might have found Franklin Roosevelt's legacy to be abhorrent, e.g., to have his statue chucked into the potomac? Or for the current iconoclasts to chop down the Washington Monument?

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

The real concern in all of this is the nefarious motive behind those who are in such a hurry to comprehensively censor history.
Fuck today’s democrats and their abject anti-American bigotry.

Removing a statue is not a censor of history. The books and memories of the subject of the statue endure. This is the removal of a statue from display on public ground. Private individuals can put up statues and display them to the public, but not do so on the public dime.

When erected and displayed on land owned by the public, and open for their free assembly, they should not be forced to endure a statue abhorrent to their beliefs.

You're rationalizing censorship. Selective outrage is beyond dishonest. It’s nefarious. You’re part of the problem, nazi.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Dred Scott determined that black votes were of less value because the legacy was not of people who became American through their own volition. There is logic in that reasoning.
The other reason is because democrats like Taney feared losing black votes to republicans. Just like today.

Tanney said that slaves and their offspring could never be citizens of a state by act of congress, while saying that native american indians were foreigners, and could become citizens by naturalization under the authority of congress.

Indians were here before Europeans so the logic is consistent.

 

[meaner gene]

So you would have no problem with a future president who might have found Franklin Roosevelt's legacy to be abhorrent, e.g., to have his statue chucked into the potomac? Or for the current iconoclasts to chop down the Washington Monument?

Statues are removed by the government with jurisdiction. The president controls people, not land, and as such has no jurisdiction to either erect or remove a statue from public land.

 

[B. Kidd]

John Muir was openly rascist about indigenous Indians and Blacks.

Does this mean that we purge all of his statues and dissolve the Sierra Club that he founded?

 

[meaner gene]

When erected and displayed on land owned by the public, and open for their free assembly, they should not be forced to endure a statue abhorrent to their beliefs.

You're rationalizing censorship. Selective outrage is beyond dishonest. It’s nefarious. You’re part of the problem, nazi.

What I said is no different than those with religious beliefs who find it abhorrent to have to pay for contraceptive coverage in their insurance.

 

[meaner gene]

Tanney said that slaves and their offspring could never be citizens of a state by act of congress, while saying that native american indians were foreigners, and could become citizens by naturalization under the authority of congress.

Indians were here before Europeans so the logic is consistent.

Except the shoe would be on the other foot. The case should have been held by an indian tribunal.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

When erected and displayed on land owned by the public, and open for their free assembly, they should not be forced to endure a statue abhorrent to their beliefs.

You're rationalizing censorship. Selective outrage is beyond dishonest. It’s nefarious. You’re part of the problem, nazi.

What I said is no different than those with religious beliefs who find it abhorrent to have to pay for contraceptive coverage in their insurance.

You equate a statue with people being forced to work to support abortion?

 

[meaner gene]

John Muir was openly rascist about indigenous Indians and Blacks.

Does this mean that we purge all of his statues and dissolve the Sierra Club that he founded?

If it was the John Muir club, I would support a name change.

 

[B. Kidd]

John Muir was openly rascist about indigenous Indians and Blacks.

Does this mean that we purge all of his statues and dissolve the Sierra Club that he founded?

If it was the John Muir club, I would support a name change.

He was instrumental in the founding of our National Parks on the plus side.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Tanney said that slaves and their offspring could never be citizens of a state by act of congress, while saying that native american indians were foreigners, and could become citizens by naturalization under the authority of congress.

Indians were here before Europeans so the logic is consistent.

Except the shoe would be on the other foot. The case should have been held by an indian tribunal.

The Indians lost.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

John Muir was openly rascist about indigenous Indians and Blacks.

Does this mean that we purge all of his statues and dissolve the Sierra Club that he founded?

If it was the John Muir club, I would support a name change.

That wasn’t the question.

 

[meaner gene]

What I said is no different than those with religious beliefs who find it abhorrent to have to pay for contraceptive coverage in their insurance.

You equate a statue with people being forced to work to support abortion?

Contraception not abortion.

Abortion services are explicitly excluded from the ten essential benefits offered on all non-grandfathered health plans under the ACA, as are abortion inducing drugs.

 

[meaner gene]

If it was the John Muir club, I would support a name change.

He was instrumental in the founding of our National Parks on the plus side.

Don't force me to use the Autobahns and making the trains run on time argument.

 

[meaner gene]

John Muir was openly rascist about indigenous Indians and Blacks.

Does this mean that we purge all of his statues and dissolve the Sierra Club that he founded?

If it was the John Muir club, I would support a name change.

That wasn’t the question.

Bad people can do good things, and good people can do bad things. The good things should endure, but with a change of name if necessary.

If racist Woodrow Wilson won WW I, I don't feel we should reverse that and pay reparations to Germany.