House Republican Healthcare Bill Is A Bad Bill!

[JimofPennsylvan]

The Republican Health Care Bill is a bad bill and will be bad for America if enacted into law for it will make America's health care problem worse.Much has been publicly said about the bill's major fatal flaw which is that it doesn't link the federal subsidy to help Americans buy health insurance to individual Americans and their family's income and the cost of a decent health insurance plan which is job number one for federal health care law. Because in current times as opposed to past times in America, hospital stays surgeries, treatments and pharmaceuticals, etc. are so expensive that lower and middle income Americans cannot afford to buy the needed health insurance to cover such services without help the from an employer or the government!







This bill does a lot of other bad things. Sec. 112(c) of the Republican House bill removes the ACA's essential benefit requirements on State Medicaid plans requirements like hospitalization, laboratory, prescription drug and rehabilitative coverages and the Republicans are really slick on the issue the change doesn't go into effect until Jan. 1, 2020 so they will largely escape the political fallout of this for the 2018 election. It is definitely true that to bend the cost curve on health care in America which absolutely needs to be done there will have to be some curtailment of essential benefits as defined today but whatever the definition is in America it should apply equally to people on Medicaid as it does to people enrolled in the individual and group insurance markets in America to say otherwise would be to make Medicaid beneficiaries second class citizens and that is not right especially considering that many of these beneficiaries have physical and/or mental health problems such people should not have lesser rights than ordinary Americans.



This bill penalizes those people that got Medicaid through the ACA expanded Medicaid program which lifted the ceiling of eligibility to 133% of the poverty line. It penalizes them by creating the restriction beginning Jan 1 2020 that if they lose eligibility for a month they are permanently out of the expanded program this is bad because this deters these people from trying to get out of poverty trying to increase their income through work because if you fail you lose your health insurance safety net forever. In a different vein this bill will increase cost on states because the current law requires the Federal government, for states that expanded their Medicaid program as called for by the ACA, to cover the entire costs for SSI recipients such recipients are low-income Americans that are disabled and/or 65plus years of age this bill mandates the federal government will only pay eighty percent of these SSI recipients Medicaid costs leaving the States with an added expense that many will find very difficult to cover!



This bill requires states to check Medicaid recipients eligibility based on their income every six months. Anyone with competent knowledge on this topic knows this is going to result in a lot of Americans being deemed by the state as ineligible that in truth based on their actual income are eligible. This group of beneficiary for a variety of understandable reasons are not great in doing government filings; consider former PA Governor Tom Corbett's similar effort in this area which occurred sometime during the past eight years it resulted in tens of thousands of eligible Medicaid recipients being wrongfully thrown off the Medicaid rolls, really bad idea here Republicans!





One overall mistake the Republicans are making on their Healthcare effort here was sort of referenced by the brilliant journalist Peggy Noonan (don't take this description as an endorsement of her politics) who recently wrote the problem with the Republican effort here is it lacks the sense of crisis America is in for this issue. What the Republicans are doing here is taking care of their checklist on this overall issue. They got to get rid of the taxes, get rid of the government mandate requiring people to buy insurance get rid of a government entitlement program and all their libertarian to do list. The majority of the American people don't care about this Republican party checklist. We want lower health insurance premiums, lower deductibles and more insurance choice things like this. If the Republicans were doing what the majority of the American people wanted they would limit the focus of their bill to bending the cost curve for health care and health insurance in America and improve choice. The other major party in America, the Democrat Party, is waiting in the wings to do just this they have already publicly committed to working hard on a bill that improves the Affordable Care Act why don't Republicans do what their supposed to do and serve the majority of the American people which want you to limit the focus of your bill and try to work with the Democrats here everybody knows the status quo on America's healthcare law here is untenable this reality should create momentum to get something significantly good done here! The American people should be afraid that what the Republicans might do here is they come to the reality that they cannot pass their healthcare bill based on the contents of their bill so they take America's checkbook and buy the votes they need to pass it; they go to members of Congress who they need their vote and say does your district or state need a bridge, highway, economic development money, protection of a tax break in the upcoming tax overhaul "it's let's make a deal time" in Congress and we're paying big-time for your support on this bill so name your price? If the Republicans go corrupt like this be forewarned Republicans that many Americans will be mad as hell at them over this!

 

[yiostheoy]

All 3 networks on their Sunday morning news shows will talk about this today (Sunday 3/19/2017).

Trump is optimistic but we will see if it really passes the Senate this week.

He has been arm-twisting senators all weekend.

 

[Cellblock2429]

The Republican Health Care Bill is a bad bill and will be bad for America if enacted into law for it will make America's health care problem worse.Much has been publicly said about the bill's major fatal flaw which is that it doesn't link the federal subsidy to help Americans buy health insurance to individual Americans and their family's income and the cost of a decent health insurance plan which is job number one for federal health care law. Because in current times as opposed to past times in America, hospital stays surgeries, treatments and pharmaceuticals, etc. are so expensive that lower and middle income Americans cannot afford to buy the needed health insurance to cover such services without help the from an employer or the government!







This bill does a lot of other bad things. Sec. 112(c) of the Republican House bill removes the ACA's essential benefit requirements on State Medicaid plans requirements like hospitalization, laboratory, prescription drug and rehabilitative coverages and the Republicans are really slick on the issue the change doesn't go into effect until Jan. 1, 2020 so they will largely escape the political fallout of this for the 2018 election. It is definitely true that to bend the cost curve on health care in America which absolutely needs to be done there will have to be some curtailment of essential benefits as defined today but whatever the definition is in America it should apply equally to people on Medicaid as it does to people enrolled in the individual and group insurance markets in America to say otherwise would be to make Medicaid beneficiaries second class citizens and that is not right especially considering that many of these beneficiaries have physical and/or mental health problems such people should not have lesser rights than ordinary Americans.



This bill penalizes those people that got Medicaid through the ACA expanded Medicaid program which lifted the ceiling of eligibility to 133% of the poverty line. It penalizes them by creating the restriction beginning Jan 1 2020 that if they lose eligibility for a month they are permanently out of the expanded program this is bad because this deters these people from trying to get out of poverty trying to increase their income through work because if you fail you lose your health insurance safety net forever. In a different vein this bill will increase cost on states because the current law requires the Federal government, for states that expanded their Medicaid program as called for by the ACA, to cover the entire costs for SSI recipients such recipients are low-income Americans that are disabled and/or 65plus years of age this bill mandates the federal government will only pay eighty percent of these SSI recipients Medicaid costs leaving the States with an added expense that many will find very difficult to cover!



This bill requires states to check Medicaid recipients eligibility based on their income every six months. Anyone with competent knowledge on this topic knows this is going to result in a lot of Americans being deemed by the state as ineligible that in truth based on their actual income are eligible. This group of beneficiary for a variety of understandable reasons are not great in doing government filings; consider former PA Governor Tom Corbett's similar effort in this area which occurred sometime during the past eight years it resulted in tens of thousands of eligible Medicaid recipients being wrongfully thrown off the Medicaid rolls, really bad idea here Republicans!





One overall mistake the Republicans are making on their Healthcare effort here was sort of referenced by the brilliant journalist Peggy Noonan (don't take this description as an endorsement of her politics) who recently wrote the problem with the Republican effort here is it lacks the sense of crisis America is in for this issue. What the Republicans are doing here is taking care of their checklist on this overall issue. They got to get rid of the taxes, get rid of the government mandate requiring people to buy insurance get rid of a government entitlement program and all their libertarian to do list. The majority of the American people don't care about this Republican party checklist. We want lower health insurance premiums, lower deductibles and more insurance choice things like this. If the Republicans were doing what the majority of the American people wanted they would limit the focus of their bill to bending the cost curve for health care and health insurance in America and improve choice. The other major party in America, the Democrat Party, is waiting in the wings to do just this they have already publicly committed to working hard on a bill that improves the Affordable Care Act why don't Republicans do what their supposed to do and serve the majority of the American people which want you to limit the focus of your bill and try to work with the Democrats here everybody knows the status quo on America's healthcare law here is untenable this reality should create momentum to get something significantly good done here! The American people should be afraid that what the Republicans might do here is they come to the reality that they cannot pass their healthcare bill based on the contents of their bill so they take America's checkbook and buy the votes they need to pass it; they go to members of Congress who they need their vote and say does your district or state need a bridge, highway, economic development money, protection of a tax break in the upcoming tax overhaul "it's let's make a deal time" in Congress and we're paying big-time for your support on this bill so name your price? If the Republicans go corrupt like this be forewarned Republicans that many Americans will be mad as hell at them over this!

/---- I agree we need to just repeal Obozcare and let the free market handle it. Thanks for your eye opening post.

 

[Missourian]

You mean the one replacing the the terrible Obamacare law that you JimofPennsyvania supported?

Sorry, but your lack of good judgment there impugns you rationale here.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Since TrumpCare will be ACALite, Missourian, I would suggest you don't cast stones in a glass house.

 

[PredFan]

The Republican Health Care Bill is a bad bill and will be bad for America if enacted into law for it will make America's health care problem worse.Much has been publicly said about the bill's major fatal flaw which is that it doesn't link the federal subsidy to help Americans buy health insurance to individual Americans and their family's income and the cost of a decent health insurance plan which is job number one for federal health care law. Because in current times as opposed to past times in America, hospital stays surgeries, treatments and pharmaceuticals, etc. are so expensive that lower and middle income Americans cannot afford to buy the needed health insurance to cover such services without help the from an employer or the government!







This bill does a lot of other bad things. Sec. 112(c) of the Republican House bill removes the ACA's essential benefit requirements on State Medicaid plans requirements like hospitalization, laboratory, prescription drug and rehabilitative coverages and the Republicans are really slick on the issue the change doesn't go into effect until Jan. 1, 2020 so they will largely escape the political fallout of this for the 2018 election. It is definitely true that to bend the cost curve on health care in America which absolutely needs to be done there will have to be some curtailment of essential benefits as defined today but whatever the definition is in America it should apply equally to people on Medicaid as it does to people enrolled in the individual and group insurance markets in America to say otherwise would be to make Medicaid beneficiaries second class citizens and that is not right especially considering that many of these beneficiaries have physical and/or mental health problems such people should not have lesser rights than ordinary Americans.



This bill penalizes those people that got Medicaid through the ACA expanded Medicaid program which lifted the ceiling of eligibility to 133% of the poverty line. It penalizes them by creating the restriction beginning Jan 1 2020 that if they lose eligibility for a month they are permanently out of the expanded program this is bad because this deters these people from trying to get out of poverty trying to increase their income through work because if you fail you lose your health insurance safety net forever. In a different vein this bill will increase cost on states because the current law requires the Federal government, for states that expanded their Medicaid program as called for by the ACA, to cover the entire costs for SSI recipients such recipients are low-income Americans that are disabled and/or 65plus years of age this bill mandates the federal government will only pay eighty percent of these SSI recipients Medicaid costs leaving the States with an added expense that many will find very difficult to cover!



This bill requires states to check Medicaid recipients eligibility based on their income every six months. Anyone with competent knowledge on this topic knows this is going to result in a lot of Americans being deemed by the state as ineligible that in truth based on their actual income are eligible. This group of beneficiary for a variety of understandable reasons are not great in doing government filings; consider former PA Governor Tom Corbett's similar effort in this area which occurred sometime during the past eight years it resulted in tens of thousands of eligible Medicaid recipients being wrongfully thrown off the Medicaid rolls, really bad idea here Republicans!





One overall mistake the Republicans are making on their Healthcare effort here was sort of referenced by the brilliant journalist Peggy Noonan (don't take this description as an endorsement of her politics) who recently wrote the problem with the Republican effort here is it lacks the sense of crisis America is in for this issue. What the Republicans are doing here is taking care of their checklist on this overall issue. They got to get rid of the taxes, get rid of the government mandate requiring people to buy insurance get rid of a government entitlement program and all their libertarian to do list. The majority of the American people don't care about this Republican party checklist. We want lower health insurance premiums, lower deductibles and more insurance choice things like this. If the Republicans were doing what the majority of the American people wanted they would limit the focus of their bill to bending the cost curve for health care and health insurance in America and improve choice. The other major party in America, the Democrat Party, is waiting in the wings to do just this they have already publicly committed to working hard on a bill that improves the Affordable Care Act why don't Republicans do what their supposed to do and serve the majority of the American people which want you to limit the focus of your bill and try to work with the Democrats here everybody knows the status quo on America's healthcare law here is untenable this reality should create momentum to get something significantly good done here! The American people should be afraid that what the Republicans might do here is they come to the reality that they cannot pass their healthcare bill based on the contents of their bill so they take America's checkbook and buy the votes they need to pass it; they go to members of Congress who they need their vote and say does your district or state need a bridge, highway, economic development money, protection of a tax break in the upcoming tax overhaul "it's let's make a deal time" in Congress and we're paying big-time for your support on this bill so name your price? If the Republicans go corrupt like this be forewarned Republicans that many Americans will be mad as hell at them over this!

Yes it is a bad bill, Obamacare should have been repealed and not replaced. It's a bad bill but 0bamacare is much worse.

 

[Ringel05]

If it's contrived in D.C. then you know it's at least partially fucked up. I already stated months ago that the GOP would wait till after the midterms to implement their version of the bill because they know what the outcome would be if they implemented it immediately.
They're trying to sell the child expanded aspect of the ACA as the most popular provision alongside the preexisting ban but this is simply not true. The most popular aspect of the ACA alongside the preexisting ban was Medicaid expansion which is what they want to do away with and what I believe will cost them the both houses of Congress and the White House in four years.
Many people (including me) were not ecstatic about the ACA (me for non political reasons) but it did include some positive aspects and many people are slowly beginning to realize that and realize what they'll probably lose soon. Some politicians are seeing that also which is why some in the GOP are having second thoughts about repeal and replace and some serious qualms about the GOP's replacement plan.

 

[Ringel05]

The Republican Health Care Bill is a bad bill and will be bad for America if enacted into law for it will make America's health care problem worse.Much has been publicly said about the bill's major fatal flaw which is that it doesn't link the federal subsidy to help Americans buy health insurance to individual Americans and their family's income and the cost of a decent health insurance plan which is job number one for federal health care law. Because in current times as opposed to past times in America, hospital stays surgeries, treatments and pharmaceuticals, etc. are so expensive that lower and middle income Americans cannot afford to buy the needed health insurance to cover such services without help the from an employer or the government!







This bill does a lot of other bad things. Sec. 112(c) of the Republican House bill removes the ACA's essential benefit requirements on State Medicaid plans requirements like hospitalization, laboratory, prescription drug and rehabilitative coverages and the Republicans are really slick on the issue the change doesn't go into effect until Jan. 1, 2020 so they will largely escape the political fallout of this for the 2018 election. It is definitely true that to bend the cost curve on health care in America which absolutely needs to be done there will have to be some curtailment of essential benefits as defined today but whatever the definition is in America it should apply equally to people on Medicaid as it does to people enrolled in the individual and group insurance markets in America to say otherwise would be to make Medicaid beneficiaries second class citizens and that is not right especially considering that many of these beneficiaries have physical and/or mental health problems such people should not have lesser rights than ordinary Americans.



This bill penalizes those people that got Medicaid through the ACA expanded Medicaid program which lifted the ceiling of eligibility to 133% of the poverty line. It penalizes them by creating the restriction beginning Jan 1 2020 that if they lose eligibility for a month they are permanently out of the expanded program this is bad because this deters these people from trying to get out of poverty trying to increase their income through work because if you fail you lose your health insurance safety net forever. In a different vein this bill will increase cost on states because the current law requires the Federal government, for states that expanded their Medicaid program as called for by the ACA, to cover the entire costs for SSI recipients such recipients are low-income Americans that are disabled and/or 65plus years of age this bill mandates the federal government will only pay eighty percent of these SSI recipients Medicaid costs leaving the States with an added expense that many will find very difficult to cover!



This bill requires states to check Medicaid recipients eligibility based on their income every six months. Anyone with competent knowledge on this topic knows this is going to result in a lot of Americans being deemed by the state as ineligible that in truth based on their actual income are eligible. This group of beneficiary for a variety of understandable reasons are not great in doing government filings; consider former PA Governor Tom Corbett's similar effort in this area which occurred sometime during the past eight years it resulted in tens of thousands of eligible Medicaid recipients being wrongfully thrown off the Medicaid rolls, really bad idea here Republicans!





One overall mistake the Republicans are making on their Healthcare effort here was sort of referenced by the brilliant journalist Peggy Noonan (don't take this description as an endorsement of her politics) who recently wrote the problem with the Republican effort here is it lacks the sense of crisis America is in for this issue. What the Republicans are doing here is taking care of their checklist on this overall issue. They got to get rid of the taxes, get rid of the government mandate requiring people to buy insurance get rid of a government entitlement program and all their libertarian to do list. The majority of the American people don't care about this Republican party checklist. We want lower health insurance premiums, lower deductibles and more insurance choice things like this. If the Republicans were doing what the majority of the American people wanted they would limit the focus of their bill to bending the cost curve for health care and health insurance in America and improve choice. The other major party in America, the Democrat Party, is waiting in the wings to do just this they have already publicly committed to working hard on a bill that improves the Affordable Care Act why don't Republicans do what their supposed to do and serve the majority of the American people which want you to limit the focus of your bill and try to work with the Democrats here everybody knows the status quo on America's healthcare law here is untenable this reality should create momentum to get something significantly good done here! The American people should be afraid that what the Republicans might do here is they come to the reality that they cannot pass their healthcare bill based on the contents of their bill so they take America's checkbook and buy the votes they need to pass it; they go to members of Congress who they need their vote and say does your district or state need a bridge, highway, economic development money, protection of a tax break in the upcoming tax overhaul "it's let's make a deal time" in Congress and we're paying big-time for your support on this bill so name your price? If the Republicans go corrupt like this be forewarned Republicans that many Americans will be mad as hell at them over this!

Yes it is a bad bill, Obamacare should have been repealed and not replaced. It's a bad bill but 0bamacare is much worse.

Why? Because it was the DNC's bill and not the GOP's bill..........

 

[PredFan]

The Republican Health Care Bill is a bad bill and will be bad for America if enacted into law for it will make America's health care problem worse.Much has been publicly said about the bill's major fatal flaw which is that it doesn't link the federal subsidy to help Americans buy health insurance to individual Americans and their family's income and the cost of a decent health insurance plan which is job number one for federal health care law. Because in current times as opposed to past times in America, hospital stays surgeries, treatments and pharmaceuticals, etc. are so expensive that lower and middle income Americans cannot afford to buy the needed health insurance to cover such services without help the from an employer or the government!







This bill does a lot of other bad things. Sec. 112(c) of the Republican House bill removes the ACA's essential benefit requirements on State Medicaid plans requirements like hospitalization, laboratory, prescription drug and rehabilitative coverages and the Republicans are really slick on the issue the change doesn't go into effect until Jan. 1, 2020 so they will largely escape the political fallout of this for the 2018 election. It is definitely true that to bend the cost curve on health care in America which absolutely needs to be done there will have to be some curtailment of essential benefits as defined today but whatever the definition is in America it should apply equally to people on Medicaid as it does to people enrolled in the individual and group insurance markets in America to say otherwise would be to make Medicaid beneficiaries second class citizens and that is not right especially considering that many of these beneficiaries have physical and/or mental health problems such people should not have lesser rights than ordinary Americans.



This bill penalizes those people that got Medicaid through the ACA expanded Medicaid program which lifted the ceiling of eligibility to 133% of the poverty line. It penalizes them by creating the restriction beginning Jan 1 2020 that if they lose eligibility for a month they are permanently out of the expanded program this is bad because this deters these people from trying to get out of poverty trying to increase their income through work because if you fail you lose your health insurance safety net forever. In a different vein this bill will increase cost on states because the current law requires the Federal government, for states that expanded their Medicaid program as called for by the ACA, to cover the entire costs for SSI recipients such recipients are low-income Americans that are disabled and/or 65plus years of age this bill mandates the federal government will only pay eighty percent of these SSI recipients Medicaid costs leaving the States with an added expense that many will find very difficult to cover!



This bill requires states to check Medicaid recipients eligibility based on their income every six months. Anyone with competent knowledge on this topic knows this is going to result in a lot of Americans being deemed by the state as ineligible that in truth based on their actual income are eligible. This group of beneficiary for a variety of understandable reasons are not great in doing government filings; consider former PA Governor Tom Corbett's similar effort in this area which occurred sometime during the past eight years it resulted in tens of thousands of eligible Medicaid recipients being wrongfully thrown off the Medicaid rolls, really bad idea here Republicans!





One overall mistake the Republicans are making on their Healthcare effort here was sort of referenced by the brilliant journalist Peggy Noonan (don't take this description as an endorsement of her politics) who recently wrote the problem with the Republican effort here is it lacks the sense of crisis America is in for this issue. What the Republicans are doing here is taking care of their checklist on this overall issue. They got to get rid of the taxes, get rid of the government mandate requiring people to buy insurance get rid of a government entitlement program and all their libertarian to do list. The majority of the American people don't care about this Republican party checklist. We want lower health insurance premiums, lower deductibles and more insurance choice things like this. If the Republicans were doing what the majority of the American people wanted they would limit the focus of their bill to bending the cost curve for health care and health insurance in America and improve choice. The other major party in America, the Democrat Party, is waiting in the wings to do just this they have already publicly committed to working hard on a bill that improves the Affordable Care Act why don't Republicans do what their supposed to do and serve the majority of the American people which want you to limit the focus of your bill and try to work with the Democrats here everybody knows the status quo on America's healthcare law here is untenable this reality should create momentum to get something significantly good done here! The American people should be afraid that what the Republicans might do here is they come to the reality that they cannot pass their healthcare bill based on the contents of their bill so they take America's checkbook and buy the votes they need to pass it; they go to members of Congress who they need their vote and say does your district or state need a bridge, highway, economic development money, protection of a tax break in the upcoming tax overhaul "it's let's make a deal time" in Congress and we're paying big-time for your support on this bill so name your price? If the Republicans go corrupt like this be forewarned Republicans that many Americans will be mad as hell at them over this!

Yes it is a bad bill, Obamacare should have been repealed and not replaced. It's a bad bill but 0bamacare is much worse.

Why? Because it was the DNC's bill and not the GOP's bill..........

As I clearly stated, they are both bad. Why? Because one created a new entitlement and the other tweaks it but continues it.

The GOP makes some cuts and needed changes so it's bad, but not as bad.

 

[Missourian]

If it's contrived in D.C. then you know it's at least partially fucked up. I already stated months ago that the GOP would wait till after the midterms to implement their version of the bill because they know what the outcome would be if they implemented it immediately.
They're trying to sell the child expanded aspect of the ACA as the most popular provision alongside the preexisting ban but this is simply not true. The most popular aspect of the ACA alongside the preexisting ban was Medicaid expansion which is what they want to do away with and what I believe will cost them the both houses of Congress and the White House in four years.
Many people (including me) were not ecstatic about the ACA (me for non political reasons) but it did include some positive aspects and many people are slowly beginning to realize that and realize what they'll probably lose soon. Some politicians are seeing that also which is why some in the GOP are having second thoughts about repeal and replace and some serious qualms about the GOP's replacement plan.

Twenty states opted out of the medicaid expansion, my own included.

As of January 2014, confirmed opting out states include Alabama, Alaska, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia & Wisconsin.

Medicaid - Wikipedia​

 

[Ringel05]

The Republican Health Care Bill is a bad bill and will be bad for America if enacted into law for it will make America's health care problem worse.Much has been publicly said about the bill's major fatal flaw which is that it doesn't link the federal subsidy to help Americans buy health insurance to individual Americans and their family's income and the cost of a decent health insurance plan which is job number one for federal health care law. Because in current times as opposed to past times in America, hospital stays surgeries, treatments and pharmaceuticals, etc. are so expensive that lower and middle income Americans cannot afford to buy the needed health insurance to cover such services without help the from an employer or the government!







This bill does a lot of other bad things. Sec. 112(c) of the Republican House bill removes the ACA's essential benefit requirements on State Medicaid plans requirements like hospitalization, laboratory, prescription drug and rehabilitative coverages and the Republicans are really slick on the issue the change doesn't go into effect until Jan. 1, 2020 so they will largely escape the political fallout of this for the 2018 election. It is definitely true that to bend the cost curve on health care in America which absolutely needs to be done there will have to be some curtailment of essential benefits as defined today but whatever the definition is in America it should apply equally to people on Medicaid as it does to people enrolled in the individual and group insurance markets in America to say otherwise would be to make Medicaid beneficiaries second class citizens and that is not right especially considering that many of these beneficiaries have physical and/or mental health problems such people should not have lesser rights than ordinary Americans.



This bill penalizes those people that got Medicaid through the ACA expanded Medicaid program which lifted the ceiling of eligibility to 133% of the poverty line. It penalizes them by creating the restriction beginning Jan 1 2020 that if they lose eligibility for a month they are permanently out of the expanded program this is bad because this deters these people from trying to get out of poverty trying to increase their income through work because if you fail you lose your health insurance safety net forever. In a different vein this bill will increase cost on states because the current law requires the Federal government, for states that expanded their Medicaid program as called for by the ACA, to cover the entire costs for SSI recipients such recipients are low-income Americans that are disabled and/or 65plus years of age this bill mandates the federal government will only pay eighty percent of these SSI recipients Medicaid costs leaving the States with an added expense that many will find very difficult to cover!



This bill requires states to check Medicaid recipients eligibility based on their income every six months. Anyone with competent knowledge on this topic knows this is going to result in a lot of Americans being deemed by the state as ineligible that in truth based on their actual income are eligible. This group of beneficiary for a variety of understandable reasons are not great in doing government filings; consider former PA Governor Tom Corbett's similar effort in this area which occurred sometime during the past eight years it resulted in tens of thousands of eligible Medicaid recipients being wrongfully thrown off the Medicaid rolls, really bad idea here Republicans!





One overall mistake the Republicans are making on their Healthcare effort here was sort of referenced by the brilliant journalist Peggy Noonan (don't take this description as an endorsement of her politics) who recently wrote the problem with the Republican effort here is it lacks the sense of crisis America is in for this issue. What the Republicans are doing here is taking care of their checklist on this overall issue. They got to get rid of the taxes, get rid of the government mandate requiring people to buy insurance get rid of a government entitlement program and all their libertarian to do list. The majority of the American people don't care about this Republican party checklist. We want lower health insurance premiums, lower deductibles and more insurance choice things like this. If the Republicans were doing what the majority of the American people wanted they would limit the focus of their bill to bending the cost curve for health care and health insurance in America and improve choice. The other major party in America, the Democrat Party, is waiting in the wings to do just this they have already publicly committed to working hard on a bill that improves the Affordable Care Act why don't Republicans do what their supposed to do and serve the majority of the American people which want you to limit the focus of your bill and try to work with the Democrats here everybody knows the status quo on America's healthcare law here is untenable this reality should create momentum to get something significantly good done here! The American people should be afraid that what the Republicans might do here is they come to the reality that they cannot pass their healthcare bill based on the contents of their bill so they take America's checkbook and buy the votes they need to pass it; they go to members of Congress who they need their vote and say does your district or state need a bridge, highway, economic development money, protection of a tax break in the upcoming tax overhaul "it's let's make a deal time" in Congress and we're paying big-time for your support on this bill so name your price? If the Republicans go corrupt like this be forewarned Republicans that many Americans will be mad as hell at them over this!

Yes it is a bad bill, Obamacare should have been repealed and not replaced. It's a bad bill but 0bamacare is much worse.

Why? Because it was the DNC's bill and not the GOP's bill..........

As I clearly stated, they are both bad. Why? Because one created a new entitlement and the other tweaks it but continues it.

The GOP makes some cuts and needed changes so it's bad, but not as bad.

Some in the GOP are starting to see that aspects, some of your so called tweaks, of their bill might cost them their jobs at least four years from now which is why there's a growing backlash by the less hardcore right in the GOP against the bill. They already know that Trump didn't win because the vast majority of Americans wanted to get rid of the ACA but because at least half of voting Americans were tired of politics as usual and wanted an outsider.

 

[Ringel05]

If it's contrived in D.C. then you know it's at least partially fucked up. I already stated months ago that the GOP would wait till after the midterms to implement their version of the bill because they know what the outcome would be if they implemented it immediately.
They're trying to sell the child expanded aspect of the ACA as the most popular provision alongside the preexisting ban but this is simply not true. The most popular aspect of the ACA alongside the preexisting ban was Medicaid expansion which is what they want to do away with and what I believe will cost them the both houses of Congress and the White House in four years.
Many people (including me) were not ecstatic about the ACA (me for non political reasons) but it did include some positive aspects and many people are slowly beginning to realize that and realize what they'll probably lose soon. Some politicians are seeing that also which is why some in the GOP are having second thoughts about repeal and replace and some serious qualms about the GOP's replacement plan.

Twenty states opted out of the medicaid expansion, my own included.

As of January 2014, confirmed opting out states include Alabama, Alaska, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia & Wisconsin.

Medicaid - Wikipedia​

Yeah, I know, I live in Texas. If SCOTUS had ruled the other way then all 50 states would have had to expand medicaid. Just because these states opted out doesn't equate to 100% of their constituents supporting opting out and I think we might be seeing a shift that could cost the GOP dearly down the road. I say might because I don't own a crystal ball but the indicators are there for those who want to see them.

 

[PredFan]

The Republican Health Care Bill is a bad bill and will be bad for America if enacted into law for it will make America's health care problem worse.Much has been publicly said about the bill's major fatal flaw which is that it doesn't link the federal subsidy to help Americans buy health insurance to individual Americans and their family's income and the cost of a decent health insurance plan which is job number one for federal health care law. Because in current times as opposed to past times in America, hospital stays surgeries, treatments and pharmaceuticals, etc. are so expensive that lower and middle income Americans cannot afford to buy the needed health insurance to cover such services without help the from an employer or the government!







This bill does a lot of other bad things. Sec. 112(c) of the Republican House bill removes the ACA's essential benefit requirements on State Medicaid plans requirements like hospitalization, laboratory, prescription drug and rehabilitative coverages and the Republicans are really slick on the issue the change doesn't go into effect until Jan. 1, 2020 so they will largely escape the political fallout of this for the 2018 election. It is definitely true that to bend the cost curve on health care in America which absolutely needs to be done there will have to be some curtailment of essential benefits as defined today but whatever the definition is in America it should apply equally to people on Medicaid as it does to people enrolled in the individual and group insurance markets in America to say otherwise would be to make Medicaid beneficiaries second class citizens and that is not right especially considering that many of these beneficiaries have physical and/or mental health problems such people should not have lesser rights than ordinary Americans.



This bill penalizes those people that got Medicaid through the ACA expanded Medicaid program which lifted the ceiling of eligibility to 133% of the poverty line. It penalizes them by creating the restriction beginning Jan 1 2020 that if they lose eligibility for a month they are permanently out of the expanded program this is bad because this deters these people from trying to get out of poverty trying to increase their income through work because if you fail you lose your health insurance safety net forever. In a different vein this bill will increase cost on states because the current law requires the Federal government, for states that expanded their Medicaid program as called for by the ACA, to cover the entire costs for SSI recipients such recipients are low-income Americans that are disabled and/or 65plus years of age this bill mandates the federal government will only pay eighty percent of these SSI recipients Medicaid costs leaving the States with an added expense that many will find very difficult to cover!



This bill requires states to check Medicaid recipients eligibility based on their income every six months. Anyone with competent knowledge on this topic knows this is going to result in a lot of Americans being deemed by the state as ineligible that in truth based on their actual income are eligible. This group of beneficiary for a variety of understandable reasons are not great in doing government filings; consider former PA Governor Tom Corbett's similar effort in this area which occurred sometime during the past eight years it resulted in tens of thousands of eligible Medicaid recipients being wrongfully thrown off the Medicaid rolls, really bad idea here Republicans!





One overall mistake the Republicans are making on their Healthcare effort here was sort of referenced by the brilliant journalist Peggy Noonan (don't take this description as an endorsement of her politics) who recently wrote the problem with the Republican effort here is it lacks the sense of crisis America is in for this issue. What the Republicans are doing here is taking care of their checklist on this overall issue. They got to get rid of the taxes, get rid of the government mandate requiring people to buy insurance get rid of a government entitlement program and all their libertarian to do list. The majority of the American people don't care about this Republican party checklist. We want lower health insurance premiums, lower deductibles and more insurance choice things like this. If the Republicans were doing what the majority of the American people wanted they would limit the focus of their bill to bending the cost curve for health care and health insurance in America and improve choice. The other major party in America, the Democrat Party, is waiting in the wings to do just this they have already publicly committed to working hard on a bill that improves the Affordable Care Act why don't Republicans do what their supposed to do and serve the majority of the American people which want you to limit the focus of your bill and try to work with the Democrats here everybody knows the status quo on America's healthcare law here is untenable this reality should create momentum to get something significantly good done here! The American people should be afraid that what the Republicans might do here is they come to the reality that they cannot pass their healthcare bill based on the contents of their bill so they take America's checkbook and buy the votes they need to pass it; they go to members of Congress who they need their vote and say does your district or state need a bridge, highway, economic development money, protection of a tax break in the upcoming tax overhaul "it's let's make a deal time" in Congress and we're paying big-time for your support on this bill so name your price? If the Republicans go corrupt like this be forewarned Republicans that many Americans will be mad as hell at them over this!

Yes it is a bad bill, Obamacare should have been repealed and not replaced. It's a bad bill but 0bamacare is much worse.

Why? Because it was the DNC's bill and not the GOP's bill..........

As I clearly stated, they are both bad. Why? Because one created a new entitlement and the other tweaks it but continues it.

The GOP makes some cuts and needed changes so it's bad, but not as bad.

Some in the GOP are starting to see that aspects, some of your so called tweaks, of their bill might cost them their jobs at least four years from now which is why there's a growing backlash by the less hardcore right in the GOP against the bill. They already know that Trump didn't win because the vast majority of Americans wanted to get rid of the ACA but because at least half of voting Americans were tired of politics as usual and wanted an outsider.

If my senator or representative votes against it, and he doesn't say: "I'm voting against it because it's not a full repeal" then I will vote against him in the primary.

Also, I'm not so sure if your assessment about Trump supporters and why they voted. Every single time in the campaign at his rallies that he said"repeal 0bamacare", there was thundering applause.

 

[Ringel05]

The Republican Health Care Bill is a bad bill and will be bad for America if enacted into law for it will make America's health care problem worse.Much has been publicly said about the bill's major fatal flaw which is that it doesn't link the federal subsidy to help Americans buy health insurance to individual Americans and their family's income and the cost of a decent health insurance plan which is job number one for federal health care law. Because in current times as opposed to past times in America, hospital stays surgeries, treatments and pharmaceuticals, etc. are so expensive that lower and middle income Americans cannot afford to buy the needed health insurance to cover such services without help the from an employer or the government!







This bill does a lot of other bad things. Sec. 112(c) of the Republican House bill removes the ACA's essential benefit requirements on State Medicaid plans requirements like hospitalization, laboratory, prescription drug and rehabilitative coverages and the Republicans are really slick on the issue the change doesn't go into effect until Jan. 1, 2020 so they will largely escape the political fallout of this for the 2018 election. It is definitely true that to bend the cost curve on health care in America which absolutely needs to be done there will have to be some curtailment of essential benefits as defined today but whatever the definition is in America it should apply equally to people on Medicaid as it does to people enrolled in the individual and group insurance markets in America to say otherwise would be to make Medicaid beneficiaries second class citizens and that is not right especially considering that many of these beneficiaries have physical and/or mental health problems such people should not have lesser rights than ordinary Americans.



This bill penalizes those people that got Medicaid through the ACA expanded Medicaid program which lifted the ceiling of eligibility to 133% of the poverty line. It penalizes them by creating the restriction beginning Jan 1 2020 that if they lose eligibility for a month they are permanently out of the expanded program this is bad because this deters these people from trying to get out of poverty trying to increase their income through work because if you fail you lose your health insurance safety net forever. In a different vein this bill will increase cost on states because the current law requires the Federal government, for states that expanded their Medicaid program as called for by the ACA, to cover the entire costs for SSI recipients such recipients are low-income Americans that are disabled and/or 65plus years of age this bill mandates the federal government will only pay eighty percent of these SSI recipients Medicaid costs leaving the States with an added expense that many will find very difficult to cover!



This bill requires states to check Medicaid recipients eligibility based on their income every six months. Anyone with competent knowledge on this topic knows this is going to result in a lot of Americans being deemed by the state as ineligible that in truth based on their actual income are eligible. This group of beneficiary for a variety of understandable reasons are not great in doing government filings; consider former PA Governor Tom Corbett's similar effort in this area which occurred sometime during the past eight years it resulted in tens of thousands of eligible Medicaid recipients being wrongfully thrown off the Medicaid rolls, really bad idea here Republicans!





One overall mistake the Republicans are making on their Healthcare effort here was sort of referenced by the brilliant journalist Peggy Noonan (don't take this description as an endorsement of her politics) who recently wrote the problem with the Republican effort here is it lacks the sense of crisis America is in for this issue. What the Republicans are doing here is taking care of their checklist on this overall issue. They got to get rid of the taxes, get rid of the government mandate requiring people to buy insurance get rid of a government entitlement program and all their libertarian to do list. The majority of the American people don't care about this Republican party checklist. We want lower health insurance premiums, lower deductibles and more insurance choice things like this. If the Republicans were doing what the majority of the American people wanted they would limit the focus of their bill to bending the cost curve for health care and health insurance in America and improve choice. The other major party in America, the Democrat Party, is waiting in the wings to do just this they have already publicly committed to working hard on a bill that improves the Affordable Care Act why don't Republicans do what their supposed to do and serve the majority of the American people which want you to limit the focus of your bill and try to work with the Democrats here everybody knows the status quo on America's healthcare law here is untenable this reality should create momentum to get something significantly good done here! The American people should be afraid that what the Republicans might do here is they come to the reality that they cannot pass their healthcare bill based on the contents of their bill so they take America's checkbook and buy the votes they need to pass it; they go to members of Congress who they need their vote and say does your district or state need a bridge, highway, economic development money, protection of a tax break in the upcoming tax overhaul "it's let's make a deal time" in Congress and we're paying big-time for your support on this bill so name your price? If the Republicans go corrupt like this be forewarned Republicans that many Americans will be mad as hell at them over this!

Yes it is a bad bill, Obamacare should have been repealed and not replaced. It's a bad bill but 0bamacare is much worse.

Why? Because it was the DNC's bill and not the GOP's bill..........

As I clearly stated, they are both bad. Why? Because one created a new entitlement and the other tweaks it but continues it.

The GOP makes some cuts and needed changes so it's bad, but not as bad.

Some in the GOP are starting to see that aspects, some of your so called tweaks, of their bill might cost them their jobs at least four years from now which is why there's a growing backlash by the less hardcore right in the GOP against the bill. They already know that Trump didn't win because the vast majority of Americans wanted to get rid of the ACA but because at least half of voting Americans were tired of politics as usual and wanted an outsider.

If my senator or representative votes against it, and he doesn't say: "I'm voting against it because it's not a full repeal" then I will vote against him in the primary.

Also, I'm not so sure if your assessment about Trump supporters and why they voted. Every single time in the campaign at his rallies that he said"repeal 0bamacare", there was thundering applause.

It's always awesome viewing one's desires as manifest based on microcosmic events.......... I prefer to look at the whole and not perceived, highly covered personal justifications.

 

[Anathema]

ANY healthcare bill that is not a full repeal of the ACA is a bad bill. The Federal Government has no place being involved healthcare.

 

[PredFan]

Yes it is a bad bill, Obamacare should have been repealed and not replaced. It's a bad bill but 0bamacare is much worse.

Why? Because it was the DNC's bill and not the GOP's bill..........

As I clearly stated, they are both bad. Why? Because one created a new entitlement and the other tweaks it but continues it.

The GOP makes some cuts and needed changes so it's bad, but not as bad.

Some in the GOP are starting to see that aspects, some of your so called tweaks, of their bill might cost them their jobs at least four years from now which is why there's a growing backlash by the less hardcore right in the GOP against the bill. They already know that Trump didn't win because the vast majority of Americans wanted to get rid of the ACA but because at least half of voting Americans were tired of politics as usual and wanted an outsider.

If my senator or representative votes against it, and he doesn't say: "I'm voting against it because it's not a full repeal" then I will vote against him in the primary.

Also, I'm not so sure if your assessment about Trump supporters and why they voted. Every single time in the campaign at his rallies that he said"repeal 0bamacare", there was thundering applause.

It's always awesome viewing one's desires as manifest based on microcosmic events.......... I prefer to look at the whole and not perceived, highly covered personal justifications.

Fine lofty talk, but tell me, where are you then getting your information? CNN? MSNBC? FOX?

It seems you aren't actually getting the correct information and that is why you think the things you do. You may choose to believe people on this forum, or the mainstream media, or anyone else that confirms your bias, but I, lacking anything or anyone else to trust, believe that all the people who voted for Trump knew what they were doing and that fits in with what I saw at the rallies. Am I also confirming my bias? Perhaps but I believe that the odds are in my favor.

 

[Ringel05]

Why? Because it was the DNC's bill and not the GOP's bill..........

As I clearly stated, they are both bad. Why? Because one created a new entitlement and the other tweaks it but continues it.

The GOP makes some cuts and needed changes so it's bad, but not as bad.

Some in the GOP are starting to see that aspects, some of your so called tweaks, of their bill might cost them their jobs at least four years from now which is why there's a growing backlash by the less hardcore right in the GOP against the bill. They already know that Trump didn't win because the vast majority of Americans wanted to get rid of the ACA but because at least half of voting Americans were tired of politics as usual and wanted an outsider.

If my senator or representative votes against it, and he doesn't say: "I'm voting against it because it's not a full repeal" then I will vote against him in the primary.

Also, I'm not so sure if your assessment about Trump supporters and why they voted. Every single time in the campaign at his rallies that he said"repeal 0bamacare", there was thundering applause.

It's always awesome viewing one's desires as manifest based on microcosmic events.......... I prefer to look at the whole and not perceived, highly covered personal justifications.

Fine lofty talk, but tell me, where are you then getting your information? CNN? MSNBC? FOX?

It seems you aren't actually getting the correct information and that is why you think the things you do. You may choose to believe people on this forum, or the mainstream media, or anyone else that confirms your bias, but I, lacking anything or anyone else to trust, believe that all the people who voted for Trump knew what they were doing and that fits in with what I saw at the rallies. Am I also confirming my bias? Perhaps but I believe that the odds are in my favor.

My bias is to look at the situation as a whole and yes you are most definitely confirming yours which to be honest is primarily wishful thinking. How many do you think voted for Trump simply because they agreed with what he was espousing? How many simply voted against Hillary? How many simply voted against the establishment parties? How many stayed home and didn't vote because they didn't like either choice? How many like me did a farcical write in? By the way, the popular vote was pretty evenly split, other than as a political cattle call (political rhetoric) does that constitute a mandate? Once people begin receiving what you and others call an entitlement when it's taken away there tends to be a backlash.
Even now poling organizations like Pew are seeing a huge jump in popularity for the eight year old ACA by 54% over 43%, a major change since poling on the ACA began which was always negative. That will show up in the next couple of elections, not wishful thinking on my part just observation of past similar occurrences over many decades and extrapolating potential future outcomes.

 

[PredFan]

As I clearly stated, they are both bad. Why? Because one created a new entitlement and the other tweaks it but continues it.

The GOP makes some cuts and needed changes so it's bad, but not as bad.

Some in the GOP are starting to see that aspects, some of your so called tweaks, of their bill might cost them their jobs at least four years from now which is why there's a growing backlash by the less hardcore right in the GOP against the bill. They already know that Trump didn't win because the vast majority of Americans wanted to get rid of the ACA but because at least half of voting Americans were tired of politics as usual and wanted an outsider.

If my senator or representative votes against it, and he doesn't say: "I'm voting against it because it's not a full repeal" then I will vote against him in the primary.

Also, I'm not so sure if your assessment about Trump supporters and why they voted. Every single time in the campaign at his rallies that he said"repeal 0bamacare", there was thundering applause.

It's always awesome viewing one's desires as manifest based on microcosmic events.......... I prefer to look at the whole and not perceived, highly covered personal justifications.

Fine lofty talk, but tell me, where are you then getting your information? CNN? MSNBC? FOX?

It seems you aren't actually getting the correct information and that is why you think the things you do. You may choose to believe people on this forum, or the mainstream media, or anyone else that confirms your bias, but I, lacking anything or anyone else to trust, believe that all the people who voted for Trump knew what they were doing and that fits in with what I saw at the rallies. Am I also confirming my bias? Perhaps but I believe that the odds are in my favor.

My bias is to look at the situation as a whole and yes you are most definitely confirming yours which to be honest is primarily wishful thinking. How many do you think voted for Trump simply because they agreed with what he was espousing? How many simply voted against Hillary? How many simply voted against the establishment parties? How many stayed home and didn't vote because they didn't like either choice? How many like me did a farcical write in? By the way, the popular vote was pretty evenly split, other than as a political cattle call (political rhetoric) does that constitute a mandate? Once people begin receiving what you and others call an entitlement when it's taken away there tends to be a backlash.
Even now poling organizations like Pew are seeing a huge jump in popularity for the eight year old ACA by 54% over 43%, a major change since poling on the ACA began which was always negative. That will show up in the next couple of elections, not wishful thinking on my part just observation of past similar occurrences over many decades and extrapolating potential future outcomes.

You can say: "I look at it as a whole" but that is not an answer to my question. I look at it as a whole as well. There whole consists of what the left and the media say, and what Trump and his supporters say. If you can't believe either, tgen you must look at the facts and here they are:

1. Trump campaigned on repealing 0bamacare and won.
2. From the start of the campaign up until the GOP bill, no one said: "I like you Donald, I voted or will vote for you but I don't want you to repeal 0bamacare.

Polls dude, POLLS??? Please.

 

[Ringel05]

Some in the GOP are starting to see that aspects, some of your so called tweaks, of their bill might cost them their jobs at least four years from now which is why there's a growing backlash by the less hardcore right in the GOP against the bill. They already know that Trump didn't win because the vast majority of Americans wanted to get rid of the ACA but because at least half of voting Americans were tired of politics as usual and wanted an outsider.

If my senator or representative votes against it, and he doesn't say: "I'm voting against it because it's not a full repeal" then I will vote against him in the primary.

Also, I'm not so sure if your assessment about Trump supporters and why they voted. Every single time in the campaign at his rallies that he said"repeal 0bamacare", there was thundering applause.

It's always awesome viewing one's desires as manifest based on microcosmic events.......... I prefer to look at the whole and not perceived, highly covered personal justifications.

Fine lofty talk, but tell me, where are you then getting your information? CNN? MSNBC? FOX?

It seems you aren't actually getting the correct information and that is why you think the things you do. You may choose to believe people on this forum, or the mainstream media, or anyone else that confirms your bias, but I, lacking anything or anyone else to trust, believe that all the people who voted for Trump knew what they were doing and that fits in with what I saw at the rallies. Am I also confirming my bias? Perhaps but I believe that the odds are in my favor.

My bias is to look at the situation as a whole and yes you are most definitely confirming yours which to be honest is primarily wishful thinking. How many do you think voted for Trump simply because they agreed with what he was espousing? How many simply voted against Hillary? How many simply voted against the establishment parties? How many stayed home and didn't vote because they didn't like either choice? How many like me did a farcical write in? By the way, the popular vote was pretty evenly split, other than as a political cattle call (political rhetoric) does that constitute a mandate? Once people begin receiving what you and others call an entitlement when it's taken away there tends to be a backlash.
Even now poling organizations like Pew are seeing a huge jump in popularity for the eight year old ACA by 54% over 43%, a major change since poling on the ACA began which was always negative. That will show up in the next couple of elections, not wishful thinking on my part just observation of past similar occurrences over many decades and extrapolating potential future outcomes.

You can say: "I look at it as a whole" but that is not an answer to my question. I look at it as a whole as well. There whole consists of what the left and the media say, and what Trump and his supporters say. If you can't believe either, tgen you must look at the facts and here they are:

1. Trump campaigned on repealing 0bamacare and won.
2. From the start of the campaign up until the GOP bill, no one said: "I like you Donald, I voted or will vote for you but I don't want you to repeal 0bamacare.

Polls dude, POLLS??? Please.

Dude....... the voter is fickle and yes the polls... not individually but as a whole does give at least an idea of the direction opinion is just not to the low error degree they claim.
Trump campaigned on a lot of things, you're just focused on Obamacare? Dude, really? As for your last sentence, that's not a self justifying statement? Really? Take off those red blinders, the world isn't that narrow........

 

[PredFan]

If my senator or representative votes against it, and he doesn't say: "I'm voting against it because it's not a full repeal" then I will vote against him in the primary.

Also, I'm not so sure if your assessment about Trump supporters and why they voted. Every single time in the campaign at his rallies that he said"repeal 0bamacare", there was thundering applause.

It's always awesome viewing one's desires as manifest based on microcosmic events.......... I prefer to look at the whole and not perceived, highly covered personal justifications.

Fine lofty talk, but tell me, where are you then getting your information? CNN? MSNBC? FOX?

It seems you aren't actually getting the correct information and that is why you think the things you do. You may choose to believe people on this forum, or the mainstream media, or anyone else that confirms your bias, but I, lacking anything or anyone else to trust, believe that all the people who voted for Trump knew what they were doing and that fits in with what I saw at the rallies. Am I also confirming my bias? Perhaps but I believe that the odds are in my favor.

My bias is to look at the situation as a whole and yes you are most definitely confirming yours which to be honest is primarily wishful thinking. How many do you think voted for Trump simply because they agreed with what he was espousing? How many simply voted against Hillary? How many simply voted against the establishment parties? How many stayed home and didn't vote because they didn't like either choice? How many like me did a farcical write in? By the way, the popular vote was pretty evenly split, other than as a political cattle call (political rhetoric) does that constitute a mandate? Once people begin receiving what you and others call an entitlement when it's taken away there tends to be a backlash.
Even now poling organizations like Pew are seeing a huge jump in popularity for the eight year old ACA by 54% over 43%, a major change since poling on the ACA began which was always negative. That will show up in the next couple of elections, not wishful thinking on my part just observation of past similar occurrences over many decades and extrapolating potential future outcomes.

You can say: "I look at it as a whole" but that is not an answer to my question. I look at it as a whole as well. There whole consists of what the left and the media say, and what Trump and his supporters say. If you can't believe either, tgen you must look at the facts and here they are:

1. Trump campaigned on repealing 0bamacare and won.
2. From the start of the campaign up until the GOP bill, no one said: "I like you Donald, I voted or will vote for you but I don't want you to repeal 0bamacare.

Polls dude, POLLS??? Please.

Dude....... the voter is fickle and yes the polls... not individually but as a whole does give at least an idea of the direction opinion is just not to the low error degree they claim.
Trump campaigned on a lot of things, you're just focused on Obamacare? Dude, really? As for your last sentence, that's not a self justifying statement? Really? Take off those red blinders, the world isn't that narrow........

Look, I'm trying to help you here. You don't want to learn well, good luck with that.

Polls! Lol!