How can there be any reasonable political accommodation when one side doesn't believe the other has the right to an opinion?

[Marener]

You made the baseless claim that stress from J6 caused his stroke a day later. Not my job to make your case for you.

I've provided the basis for the claim and you've said nothing that changes it.

 

[LeroyDumonde]

I've provided the basis for the claim and you've said nothing that changes it.

The basis for your claim is that you guess that his stress levels were high enough to cause a stroke. Scientifically speaking, your hypothesis is unfalsifiable.

 

[Marener]

The basis for your claim is that you guess that his stress levels were high enough to cause a stroke. Scientifically speaking, your hypothesis is unfalsifiable.

I never claimed it was falsifiable. It is rational and consistent though.

More rational than claiming sheer coincidence.

 

[progressive hunter]

I never claimed it was falsifiable. It is rational and consistent though.

More rational than claiming sheer coincidence.

youre claiming he was perfectly healthy and it is 100% the fault of the event that caused the stroke due to stress,,

thats not how it works,, it possibly could happen but its a 1 in a hundred/thousand/million chance,,

now as I showed from a doctors advice strokes are more likely to be a problem when you have underlying issues like high blood pressure and other things,,

then you add in the video evidence that didnt show he went through any extreme events severe enough to cause a stroke in a perfectly healthy person.. more so a cop that is in top shape

 

[LeroyDumonde]

I never claimed it was falsifiable. It is rational and consistent though.

More rational than claiming sheer coincidence.

People die every day from strokes. Strokes can be caused by a dozen different things. Absolutely nothing about Sicknik's case indicates that his stroke was caused by stress from J6. And yet you act as if your guess is an established fact.

 

[Billo_Really]

What exactly happened to him on J6 that caused a stroke the next day?

I don't know? Maybe mace to the face, or being beaten with a flagpole, or squished in a door. Take your pic.

 

[LeroyDumonde]

I don't know? Maybe mace to the face,

The DoJ looked into charging people with murder for this, but they dropped the idea because they couldn't come up with any medical argument for mace causing strokes.

or being beaten with a flagpole, or squished in a door. Take your pic.

Except that according to his autopsy report he showed no signs of physical trauma.

 

[Billo_Really]

The DoJ looked into charging people with murder for this, but they dropped the idea because they couldn't come up with any medical argument for mace causing strokes.

Except that according to his autopsy report he showed no signs of physical trauma.

Brian Sicknick died of two strokes caused by the Jan 6th insurrection.

 

[BackAgain]

You have a right to your views. You don't have the right to change laws to better match your views without opposition. You seem to think having your view requires others to accept it.

Nonsense. Your accusation finds no support in what Marty wrote.

 

[LeroyDumonde]

Brian Sicknick died of two strokes caused by the Jan 6th insurrection.

There's zero evidence for that.

 

[martybegan]

Nonsense. Your accusation finds no support in what Marty wrote.

What do laws have to do with lefty idiots trying to stop someone from giving a speech or having a round table discussion?

 

[BackAgain]

What do laws have to do with lefty idiots trying to stop someone from giving a speech or having a round table discussion?

I doubt that any serious individual can provide any rational explanation for such “liberal” thinking.

I’m so old, I remember when “liberals” actually valued free speech.

 

[martybegan]

I doubt that any serious individual can provide any rational explanation for such “liberal” thinking.

I’m so old, I remember when “liberals” actually valued free speech.

because progressives aren't liberals anymore.

Bill Mahr is a liberal. Most of his positions suck, but he's never been known to support suppression of speech.

I can detest his positions while respecting his play of the game.

 

[LeroyDumonde]

I doubt that any serious individual can provide any rational explanation for such “liberal” thinking.

I’m so old, I remember when “liberals” actually valued free speech.

They valued free speech when they weren't in power.

 

[BackAgain]

They valued free speech when they weren't in power.

Fair point.

 

[dblack]

This thread points to the core problem with the left. They have it in their heads that government is there to dictate to society. To tell us which opinions we're allowed to express, and which we are not. More broadly, they believe government is there to shape society. They have it exactly backwards.

This basically the hubris of the culture war. What bothers me is that the right has joined them.

 

[LeroyDumonde]

This thread points to the core problem with the left. They have it in their heads that government is there to dictate to society. To tell us which opinions we're allowed to express, and which we are not. More broadly, they believe government is there to shape society. They have it exactly backwards.

This basically the hubris of the culture war. What bothers me is that the right has joined them.

The right has no choice if it wants to undo the cultural damage done by the left.

 

[Billo_Really]

There's zero evidence for that.

Nope.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/27/politics/sicknick-capitol-attack-khater-tanios-sentencing/index.html

 

[LeroyDumonde]

Nope.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/27/politics/sicknick-capitol-attack-khater-tanios-sentencing/index.html

Bear spray doesn't cause strokes. Note that this guy was not charged with Sicknik's murder. If he was responsible, even partially, charges would have been brought against him.

 

[Slyhunter]

As a result of this a crowd of liberals entered a restaurant where a Republican and his family were having dinner and effectively closed the dinner making it impossible for anyone in the dinner to eat in peace. They rioted outside a supreme court members house making it impossible for his family to sleep. They raid events on campus where Right wing folks were supposed to speak for those who invited them there and made it impossible for the speakers to be heard. At least one campus event had liberals/antifa rioting and damaging property threatening people there to see th right wing Ben Shapiro was supposed to speak and for safety reasons they were forced to close the event.

Then you have the mass liberals burning rioting plundering businesses and not peacefully protesting like right wingers do.

And how about the time a group of Trans entered a Catholic service making it impossible for them to practice their faith.