How Can You Be A Socialist….

Certainly not by giving more free money to the rich. They really don't let it trickle down.
The government will use that money to buy more military stuff or for foreign aid. So, why should we let government have it? Money does nobody any good unless it is invested or spent. Giving more of it back to Americans makes it more likely to be invested and spent by those Americans on other Americans.

One thing is certain, if Government gets it, it will be used in the most inefficient manner possible.
 
Capitalism has done the most for the most. Without question. But there will always be those who prefer being serfs who will lean the socialist way.
Those that want socialism are those too stupid to know better.. The old USSR and East Germany had walls that kept people in, and those who faced machine guns and vicious dogs would flee those Socialist Countries to go the West Germany and the US so they too could be free. That is how stupid the new socialist are...

Defector: North Koreans must be taught about their 'stupid' political system
North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un's government could collapse if people living under his rule knew “how stupid" that country's political system is, and if they had a means of escape, according to a defector from the regime.

It is indeed strange that the socialist paradises had to build walls to keep people in while capitalist societies have to build walls to keep immigrants from the socialist countries out.
Where? Somalia only lasted about three yeas as an example of anarcho-capitalism.
 
Read the Williams quote carefully.
I did. I only disagree with him on the point of "before" capitalism. We have always had capitalism. Prior to capitalism being the primary driver of wealth creation, plunder and enslavement were. People used slaves in carrying out capitalism, true. But that does not diminish the point. In a civilized society, one can amass great wealth by serving society, without plunder or slavery. Is that not a true statement?

The plunderers and slave owners had to be brought in line by government.

The socialist movement was largely inspired by the abuses of the people by the capitalists of, for example, the 19th century Industrial Revolution.
 
Certainly not by giving more free money to the rich. They really don't let it trickle down.
The government will use that money to buy more military stuff or for foreign aid. So, why should we let government have it? Money does nobody any good unless it is invested or spent. Giving more of it back to Americans makes it more likely to be invested and spent by those Americans on other Americans.

One thing is certain, if Government gets it, it will be used in the most inefficient manner possible.

Public education is probably the most socialistic institution in the country, actually in many countries.

Do you really believe that handing education over to the private sector, free rein, would do better?
 
Certainly not by giving more free money to the rich. They really don't let it trickle down.
The government will use that money to buy more military stuff or for foreign aid. So, why should we let government have it? Money does nobody any good unless it is invested or spent. Giving more of it back to Americans makes it more likely to be invested and spent by those Americans on other Americans.

One thing is certain, if Government gets it, it will be used in the most inefficient manner possible.
infrastructure is less lucrative than creating the "hellish conditions of warfare on Earth", through Arms sales.
 
The plunderers and slave owners had to be brought in line by government.

The socialist movement was largely inspired by the abuses of the people by the capitalists of, for example, the 19th century Industrial Revolution.
Employment is not slavery.

Abuse does not have to be outright slavery. Your desire to go back to the working conditions of 19th century industry is disturbing.
 
Capitalism has done the most for the most. Without question. But there will always be those who prefer being serfs who will lean the socialist way.

Nonsense. Slavery wasn't ended by the capitalists. Government ended slavery.
Bwaaaaahhhhhaaaaahhhhaaaaa....Republicans ended slavery not government. They went to war with the sorry ass democrats who wanted to keep blacks as slaves..Today the democrats still have blacks as slaves by giving them just enough to survive or the lose their welfare..
Blog: The black thing
And yet, more than ever, blacks are enslaved to the Democratic Party and addicted to government dependency. Blacks believe they are eternal victims, despite the blessing of being born in our exceptional country, where any dream can be realized.
 
Public education is probably the most socialistic institution in the country, actually in many countries.

Do you really believe that handing education over to the private sector, free rein, would do better?
Better? I couldn't say. More efficiently? I have absolutely no doubt. Competition breeds efficiency. No competition (government) breeds waste.
 
The socialist movement was largely inspired by the abuses of the people by the capitalists of, for example, the 19th century Industrial Revolution.
Only the right wing is that ignorant. We have a mixed-market economy not true capitalism. Government is socialism and the mixer in our economy.

Oh it must be "true" capitalism?
Socialism starts with a social contract, not a capital contract.

What an idiot.
 
You have a point if it is a small startup company, but a well established business with millions in government tax incentives and giveaways doesn't have much risk to worry about.
There still a remedy. Don't work for them. Cut corporate welfare bullshit. I agree with you there.

But, the solution is not to take away the means of production. One step is to reduce the number of low-skilled workers who are driving down wages by making labor cheaper with so much availability. How could we possibly do that?

Certainly not by giving more free money to the rich. They really don't let it trickle down.
Who is giving free money to the rich? Those that are working and keeping MORE of their own money?

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Don't be silly. The tax bill says the rich keep what the middle class earns.
 
You mean how people take from the labors of others to profit from?
Your understanding of capitalism is likely warped by Marxist college professors.

No, people exchange labor for money. The money paid for the type of labor depends on the availability of such labor, the skill required, and the competition for that labor.

Everyone still has a choice. Choose to mop floor and clean toilets or chose to gain skills to do labor that pays more.

Everybody is exploiting everyone else. It's not a one-way street. The worker is exploiting the business owner's risk taken to start the enterprise.

No one is falling for that crap anymore.
 
Public education is probably the most socialistic institution in the country, actually in many countries.

Do you really believe that handing education over to the private sector, free rein, would do better?
Better? I couldn't say. More efficiently? I have absolutely no doubt. Competition breeds efficiency. No competition (government) breeds waste.

How would poor kids get an education if private schools were the only option?
 
You have a point if it is a small startup company, but a well established business with millions in government tax incentives and giveaways doesn't have much risk to worry about.
There still a remedy. Don't work for them. Cut corporate welfare bullshit. I agree with you there.

But, the solution is not to take away the means of production. One step is to reduce the number of low-skilled workers who are driving down wages by making labor cheaper with so much availability. How could we possibly do that?

Certainly not by giving more free money to the rich. They really don't let it trickle down.
Who is giving free money to the rich? Those that are working and keeping MORE of their own money?

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Don't be silly. The tax bill says the rich keep what the middle class earns.
You are just a moron. Don't need to discuss this with you anymore..

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Capitalism has done the most for the most. Without question. But there will always be those who prefer being serfs who will lean the socialist way.

Nonsense. Slavery wasn't ended by the capitalists. Government ended slavery.
Bwaaaaahhhhhaaaaahhhhaaaaa....Republicans ended slavery not government. They went to war with the sorry ass democrats who wanted to keep blacks as slaves..Today the democrats still have blacks as slaves by giving them just enough to survive or the lose their welfare..
Blog: The black thing
And yet, more than ever, blacks are enslaved to the Democratic Party and addicted to government dependency. Blacks believe they are eternal victims, despite the blessing of being born in our exceptional country, where any dream can be realized.

There you have the dumbest post so far this year. Government didn't end slavery.
 

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