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Which still does not justify his actions. It's an excuse not tied to the real agenda.While Lincoln didn't respond to the attack on American troops to end slavery- that was never his initial goal- the result of Lincoln's actions was the end of slavery in the United States.
I am sure we can find some good result from Hitler's actions too. Should we excuse him?
States did have that right before the Civil War, you fucking douchebag. What you are arguing is that the federal government doesn't have to follow the Constitution, and that some politician can simply impose whatever he likes on the states. Of course, that's exactly what all you leftwing scum would like to see.That is irrelevant. Everybody on all sides had openly expressed views of white supremacy. Nobody here is defending slavery. You are using that as a shield and cover for open tyranny and using the Constitution to wipe asses.Harley said he is pissed off at Lincoln because:
This is about freedom, liberty and the abuse of power. And how the govt SHOULDNT abuse it.
Slaves didn't have freedom or liberty- and slavery itself was clearly an abuse of power and how government should not abuse power.
Is the issue of government abusing power still the topic of discussion?
Quite a few of the die hard Lincoln opponents are also Confederate fanboys. They are not openly defending slavery- they just defend the 'rights' of States to pass laws to own slaves.
What was the greater abuse of governmental power- the greater expression of the denial of freedom and liberty- Lincoln's executive actions while in the midst of a war?
Or the actions of the Rebel states- and indeed of all of the slave states- in perpetuating the loss of freedom and liberty to millions of Americans?
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If you want to call protecting the institution of slavery an abuse of power, I will not argue against you.
The day you see millions singing praises of how just and righteousness the confederacy is the day YOU can demand that we start threads bitching about it.
DEAL???
States did have that right before the Civil War, you fucking douchebag. What you are arguing is that the federal government doesn't have to follow the Constitution, and that some politician can simply impose whatever he likes on the states. Of course, that's exactly what all you leftwing scum would like to see.That is irrelevant. Everybody on all sides had openly expressed views of white supremacy. Nobody here is defending slavery. You are using that as a shield and cover for open tyranny and using the Constitution to wipe asses.Harley said he is pissed off at Lincoln because:
This is about freedom, liberty and the abuse of power. And how the govt SHOULDNT abuse it.
Slaves didn't have freedom or liberty- and slavery itself was clearly an abuse of power and how government should not abuse power.
Is the issue of government abusing power still the topic of discussion?
Quite a few of the die hard Lincoln opponents are also Confederate fanboys. They are not openly defending slavery- they just defend the 'rights' of States to pass laws to own slaves.
What was the greater abuse of governmental power- the greater expression of the denial of freedom and liberty- Lincoln's executive actions while in the midst of a war?
Or the actions of the Rebel states- and indeed of all of the slave states- in perpetuating the loss of freedom and liberty to millions of Americans?
Yet you couldn't address my point. The slaves are not why the north invaded. Lincoln offered to enshrine slavery to end the rebellionPick up a history book. That isn't why the north did it. Hint, their motto was "save the union"The slaves didn’t have freedom or liberty, right?
I’ve picked up more history books than you’ve ever laid eyes on.
You can’t “invade” your own country. The war didn’t begin because of slavery, but the evil institution had a connection to everything the war was based on. By the end of the criminal uprising it was certainly about slavery as much as anything.
The war began because Slave owning states feared the end of slavery. While there were other issues too- slavery was at the heart of the reasons why the slave owning states attempted to secede. It is evident in their statements at the time- both before and after the election of Abraham Lincoln. The North did not enter the war because of slavery- but the South certainly did.
The war began when the rebels began firing on troops of the United States Army.
While Lincoln was personally opposed to slavery- and campaigned on preventing the expansion of slavery- he was very clear that he would accept slavery in order to preserve the Union.
When the slave owning rebel states made it clear that they were going to proceed- Lincoln realized that freeing the slaves became a strategic decision that happened to mirror his own convictions.
and trump cant whine about fake news without being accused of being a tyrant? Lincoln actually WAS a tyrant.
Geez, americans are so disingenuous
America's Greatest President: Abraham Lincoln
http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~w304644/ajha/americanjournalism/fall09.pdf
Im not even going to get started on lincoln sending out sherman to rape, murder pillage and kill livestock and all of his other unconstitutional acts
Im very interested. TIA
So you believe the end justifies the means?and trump cant whine about fake news without being accused of being a tyrant? Lincoln actually WAS a tyrant.
Geez, americans are so disingenuous
America's Greatest President: Abraham Lincoln
http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~w304644/ajha/americanjournalism/fall09.pdf
Im not even going to get started on lincoln sending out sherman to rape, murder pillage and kill livestock and all of his other unconstitutional acts
Im very interested. TIA
War happen that is why...
Should study Wilson and FDR and the 1950's if you really want something to learn!!!
So you believe the end justifies the means?and trump cant whine about fake news without being accused of being a tyrant? Lincoln actually WAS a tyrant.
Geez, americans are so disingenuous
America's Greatest President: Abraham Lincoln
http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~w304644/ajha/americanjournalism/fall09.pdf
Im not even going to get started on lincoln sending out sherman to rape, murder pillage and kill livestock and all of his other unconstitutional acts
Im very interested. TIA
War happen that is why...
Should study Wilson and FDR and the 1950's if you really want something to learn!!!
So you believe the end justifies the means?and trump cant whine about fake news without being accused of being a tyrant? Lincoln actually WAS a tyrant.
Geez, americans are so disingenuous
America's Greatest President: Abraham Lincoln
http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~w304644/ajha/americanjournalism/fall09.pdf
Im not even going to get started on lincoln sending out sherman to rape, murder pillage and kill livestock and all of his other unconstitutional acts
Im very interested. TIA
War happen that is why...
Should study Wilson and FDR and the 1950's if you really want something to learn!!!
Up until Obama, Wilson and FDR were the only 2 commies elected POTUS. It should come as no surpIrise that a guy touting those two goose-steppers would be on board with the ends (whatever they may be) justifying the means. ANY means is justified by their communist end.So you believe the end justifies the means?and trump cant whine about fake news without being accused of being a tyrant? Lincoln actually WAS a tyrant.
Geez, americans are so disingenuous
America's Greatest President: Abraham Lincoln
http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~w304644/ajha/americanjournalism/fall09.pdf
Im not even going to get started on lincoln sending out sherman to rape, murder pillage and kill livestock and all of his other unconstitutional acts
Im very interested. TIA
War happen that is why...
Should study Wilson and FDR and the 1950's if you really want something to learn!!!
Up until Obama, Wilson and FDR were the only 2 commies elected POTUS. It should come as no surpIrise that a guy touting those two goose-steppers would be on board with the ends (whatever they may be) justifying the means. ANY means is justified by their communist end.So you believe the end justifies the means?and trump cant whine about fake news without being accused of being a tyrant? Lincoln actually WAS a tyrant.
Geez, americans are so disingenuous
America's Greatest President: Abraham Lincoln
http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~w304644/ajha/americanjournalism/fall09.pdf
Im not even going to get started on lincoln sending out sherman to rape, murder pillage and kill livestock and all of his other unconstitutional acts
Im very interested. TIA
War happen that is why...
Should study Wilson and FDR and the 1950's if you really want something to learn!!!
In the context of Lincoln's tyranny, it completely ignores the burden and oppression Lincoln's immoral war placed on the ULTRA-majority of Southern citizens who DID NOT participate in the practice of slavery-- my great(x3) grandfather, the poor Louisiana farmer, for example.
The non-contemplated, unsought, collateral benefit of abolition does not excuse Lincoln's actions in the least, especially as it relates to my gr. grandfather.
I suppose I should be thankful for the collateral benefit of the war nearly ruining my gr. grandfather and forcing him to re-locate to Texas. I could be a filthy,, toothless coonass yelling "suck that Tigah dick" on Saturdays in the fall.
Well in Tejas when a Coonass move to Tejas they lose the Coon and become all Ass...
( Sorry, but I had to write it )
Not even close to 100,000. You have well more than 900,000 to go.[
If you want to call protecting the institution of slavery an abuse of power, I will not argue against you.
The day you see millions singing praises of how just and righteousness the confederacy is the day YOU can demand that we start threads bitching about it.
DEAL???
Yet you couldn't address my point. The slaves are not why the north invaded. Lincoln offered to enshrine slavery to end the rebellionPick up a history book. That isn't why the north did it. Hint, their motto was "save the union"
I’ve picked up more history books than you’ve ever laid eyes on.
You can’t “invade” your own country. The war didn’t begin because of slavery, but the evil institution had a connection to everything the war was based on. By the end of the criminal uprising it was certainly about slavery as much as anything.
The war began because Slave owning states feared the end of slavery. While there were other issues too- slavery was at the heart of the reasons why the slave owning states attempted to secede. It is evident in their statements at the time- both before and after the election of Abraham Lincoln. The North did not enter the war because of slavery- but the South certainly did.
The war began when the rebels began firing on troops of the United States Army.
While Lincoln was personally opposed to slavery- and campaigned on preventing the expansion of slavery- he was very clear that he would accept slavery in order to preserve the Union.
When the slave owning rebel states made it clear that they were going to proceed- Lincoln realized that freeing the slaves became a strategic decision that happened to mirror his own convictions.
Correct.
The problem is that you seem to think two wrongs make a right.LOL- not surprised that our favorite slavery loving asshole responded to defend your slave states.
Quite a few of the die hard Lincoln opponents are also Confederate fanboys. They are not openly defending slavery- they just defend the 'rights' of States to pass laws to own slaves.
What was the greater abuse of governmental power- the greater expression of the denial of freedom and liberty- Lincoln's executive actions while in the midst of a war?
Or the actions of the Rebel states- and indeed of all of the slave states- in perpetuating the loss of freedom and liberty to millions of Americans?
Yet you couldn't address my point. The slaves are not why the north invaded. Lincoln offered to enshrine slavery to end the rebellionI’ve picked up more history books than you’ve ever laid eyes on.
You can’t “invade” your own country. The war didn’t begin because of slavery, but the evil institution had a connection to everything the war was based on. By the end of the criminal uprising it was certainly about slavery as much as anything.
The war began because Slave owning states feared the end of slavery. While there were other issues too- slavery was at the heart of the reasons why the slave owning states attempted to secede. It is evident in their statements at the time- both before and after the election of Abraham Lincoln. The North did not enter the war because of slavery- but the South certainly did.
The war began when the rebels began firing on troops of the United States Army.
While Lincoln was personally opposed to slavery- and campaigned on preventing the expansion of slavery- he was very clear that he would accept slavery in order to preserve the Union.
When the slave owning rebel states made it clear that they were going to proceed- Lincoln realized that freeing the slaves became a strategic decision that happened to mirror his own convictions.
Correct.
True mastery of a subject is the ability to boil it down to simple, powerful points. That you can't go beyond you've read more history books than I've seen (which you obviously have no way of knowing) and your response to consent of the governed and Locke was you have philosophy and political science degrees says you are NOT a master.
I have masters degrees in business and computer science, and my job is to make difficult concepts simple for management, the business and IT teams to understand, and I'm good at it. If I responded with your ridiculous crap about my degrees or that I've read books, I'd be escorted to the door
Up until Obama, Wilson and FDR were the only 2 commies elected POTUS.So you believe the end justifies the means?and trump cant whine about fake news without being accused of being a tyrant? Lincoln actually WAS a tyrant.
Geez, americans are so disingenuous
America's Greatest President: Abraham Lincoln
http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~w304644/ajha/americanjournalism/fall09.pdf
Im not even going to get started on lincoln sending out sherman to rape, murder pillage and kill livestock and all of his other unconstitutional acts
Im very interested. TIA
War happen that is why...
Should study Wilson and FDR and the 1950's if you really want something to learn!!!
Yet you couldn't address my point. The slaves are not why the north invaded. Lincoln offered to enshrine slavery to end the rebellionI’ve picked up more history books than you’ve ever laid eyes on.
You can’t “invade” your own country. The war didn’t begin because of slavery, but the evil institution had a connection to everything the war was based on. By the end of the criminal uprising it was certainly about slavery as much as anything.
The war began because Slave owning states feared the end of slavery. While there were other issues too- slavery was at the heart of the reasons why the slave owning states attempted to secede. It is evident in their statements at the time- both before and after the election of Abraham Lincoln. The North did not enter the war because of slavery- but the South certainly did.
The war began when the rebels began firing on troops of the United States Army.
While Lincoln was personally opposed to slavery- and campaigned on preventing the expansion of slavery- he was very clear that he would accept slavery in order to preserve the Union.
When the slave owning rebel states made it clear that they were going to proceed- Lincoln realized that freeing the slaves became a strategic decision that happened to mirror his own convictions.
Correct.
I have masters degrees in business and computer science,
LOL- not surprised that our favorite slavery loving asshole responded to defend your slave states.
Quite a few of the die hard Lincoln opponents are also Confederate fanboys. They are not openly defending slavery- they just defend the 'rights' of States to pass laws to own slaves.
What was the greater abuse of governmental power- the greater expression of the denial of freedom and liberty- Lincoln's executive actions while in the midst of a war?
Or the actions of the Rebel states- and indeed of all of the slave states- in perpetuating the loss of freedom and liberty to millions of Americans?
I know it's hard for communists to believe that objective, principled people exist in the world. .
LOL- not surprised that our favorite slavery loving asshole responded to defend your slave states.
Quite a few of the die hard Lincoln opponents are also Confederate fanboys. They are not openly defending slavery- they just defend the 'rights' of States to pass laws to own slaves.
What was the greater abuse of governmental power- the greater expression of the denial of freedom and liberty- Lincoln's executive actions while in the midst of a war?
Or the actions of the Rebel states- and indeed of all of the slave states- in perpetuating the loss of freedom and liberty to millions of Americans?
So, when you really get down to the heart of it, many innocent people suffered because of slavery, but many more died being compelled by their government to defend it to their detriment..
