How come when there is a shooting, idiots say we need to ban guns and the NRA

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Nobody said to ban guns nor the NRA.

Yes, people do. I saw someone just a few minutes ago comment on one of my friend's Facebook posts that we should just get rid of all guns in this country entirely.

Who?

Let's try harder.

Try harder for what? You said nobody says that. I just told you somebody did. Perhaps you need to try harder.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Talk about the tired shit over and over again, here you are, blaming the guns again instead of the people. As if we got rid of guns, that would stop the crazy people from being crazy.

No, it wouldn't. We would still have crazy people, largely because you Right-Wingers refuse to fund mental health care to anywhere near the level it needs to be funded at. The only time you care about the mentally ill is when someone suggests we might need to limit who can own a tiny-pecker-compensator.

But banning guns would limit the amount of damage that crazy people could do.

Jesus effin' Christ, man, the US Army discharged Mercer after two weeks because they thought he was too nutty to have a gun. (And that's after a decade of Bush's war lowered the standards.) But this guy was able to acquire 13 guns even though he was out of his fucking mind.

Of course, and had he not been able to buy guns legally, that would have stopped him. He would have just given up on his plan.

People may be nutty, but that doesn't mean they are stupid. You want a gun, you'll find a gun--plenty of them. And no law in the world is going to change that.

As far as mental health goes, years ago we used to commit people we thought were mentally unstable. The libs put a stop to that. They called it crime-less prisons. It was unconstitutional to lock people up when they did nothing wrong. Then we had to unlock the doors and let them out. They are still roaming the streets today.

Some of the most mentally unstable people I've ever seen are godless pyschologists who are diagnosing and counseling people less troubled than they are! You need to be careful with what you are suggesting, Ray. Psychology is Satan's replacement for God's counsel. Pyschologists have never cured a single person which should tell you something. The Russians used the mental health strategy to imprison their own populations - it's a communist strategy - just as disarming the American public is being pushed by Communists. Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws on the books and you'll notice their crime rate is higher than elsewhere.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

But when Muslims fly jets into the Twin Towers killing thousands of people, the defenders of life do not say ban Muslims.

First....nobody advocates banning all guns. The only smart thing to do is to require background checks and try to prevent the mentally insane and criminals from getting their hands on complete arsenals. I can go to the parking lot at a gun show and buy automatic weapons, 100 round magazines, bazookas, hand grenades and armor piercing ammunition. That's so fucked up it's insane. 'Course INSANE describes most gun nuts so everything fits. The self obsessed NRA doesn't have to advertise.....they have over 100 million gun nuts locked in and with no background checks or effective gun laws they've got it made. Americans should get a little suspicious......we're the only industrialized nation in the world with as few gun laws or restrictions as we have and also the only industrialized nation which has to report another mass killing of innocent, unsuspecting citizens every few months. There's something wrong with that.....very wrong.

As far as Muslims......all people of the Muslim persuasion are not guilty just because a few of them are insane. You had better hope they don't start judging all Christians by the same rule as we judge a few:

Mark 16:

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover:

The Bible never tells the Believers to practice snake handling. The Bible is clear that we are not to put God to any foolish tests, Campbell. As you are a Catholic, you should know that your attempt to make Christians appear as extremists is something your Pope is also attempting to do from behind the scenes.

Buy a King James Bible and look up the story of Paul being bitten by the viper. He didn't handle it. He shook it off. Jesus was very clear that some vipers have two legs (those who oppose him and his Believers) . You should also know that God counts it a righteous thing to recompense with tribulation those who trouble his children. Be careful, Campbell.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Talk about the tired shit over and over again, here you are, blaming the guns again instead of the people. As if we got rid of guns, that would stop the crazy people from being crazy.

No, it wouldn't. We would still have crazy people, largely because you Right-Wingers refuse to fund mental health care to anywhere near the level it needs to be funded at. The only time you care about the mentally ill is when someone suggests we might need to limit who can own a tiny-pecker-compensator.

But banning guns would limit the amount of damage that crazy people could do.

Jesus effin' Christ, man, the US Army discharged Mercer after two weeks because they thought he was too nutty to have a gun. (And that's after a decade of Bush's war lowered the standards.) But this guy was able to acquire 13 guns even though he was out of his fucking mind.

Of course, and had he not been able to buy guns legally, that would have stopped him. He would have just given up on his plan.

People may be nutty, but that doesn't mean they are stupid. You want a gun, you'll find a gun--plenty of them. And no law in the world is going to change that.

As far as mental health goes, years ago we used to commit people we thought were mentally unstable. The libs put a stop to that. They called it crime-less prisons. It was unconstitutional to lock people up when they did nothing wrong. Then we had to unlock the doors and let them out. They are still roaming the streets today.

Some of the most mentally unstable people I've ever seen are godless pyschologists who are diagnosing and counseling people less troubled than they are! You need to be careful with what you are suggesting, Ray. Psychology is Satan's replacement for God's counsel. Pyschologists have never cured a single person which should tell you something. The Russians used the mental health strategy to imprison their own populations - it's a communist strategy - just as disarming the American public is being pushed by Communists. Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws on the books and you'll notice their crime rate is higher than elsewhere.

So we are better off risking these people getting guns or the tens of thousands roaming the streets because they are homeless?

 

[Manonthestreet]

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Talk about the tired shit over and over again, here you are, blaming the guns again instead of the people. As if we got rid of guns, that would stop the crazy people from being crazy.

No, it wouldn't. We would still have crazy people, largely because you Right-Wingers refuse to fund mental health care to anywhere near the level it needs to be funded at. The only time you care about the mentally ill is when someone suggests we might need to limit who can own a tiny-pecker-compensator.

But banning guns would limit the amount of damage that crazy people could do.

Jesus effin' Christ, man, the US Army discharged Mercer after two weeks because they thought he was too nutty to have a gun. (And that's after a decade of Bush's war lowered the standards.) But this guy was able to acquire 13 guns even though he was out of his fucking mind.

Of course, and had he not been able to buy guns legally, that would have stopped him. He would have just given up on his plan.

People may be nutty, but that doesn't mean they are stupid. You want a gun, you'll find a gun--plenty of them. And no law in the world is going to change that.

As far as mental health goes, years ago we used to commit people we thought were mentally unstable. The libs put a stop to that. They called it crime-less prisons. It was unconstitutional to lock people up when they did nothing wrong. Then we had to unlock the doors and let them out. They are still roaming the streets today.

Like most from the right you are so full of shit that you stink. Try watching CNN instead of lying Faux!!

At the time this was happening there were neither. In fact, nobody even had cable back then. But I remember Geraldo when he was much younger and had his own television show on the major networks. He was the one that led the charge if I remember it correctly. Either that or the initiative was already happening and he jumped in with an episode on it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Dude, I honestly hope they gave you a ticket before your brainwashing...

Cleveland was a thriving city until liberals took over. We were a huge steel industry but the unions put them out of business. Cleveland itself was the victim of bussing years ago. When you have forced bussing, all you really do is chase people with money out of the city. What you have left are people that can't afford to move or people with no money at all.

Guy, do you really think that "unions" caused the Steel INdustry to go under? Man, you are stupid? And "Bussing". They were forcing people to kiss?

No political party moves jobs out of the country. That's what your lying lib politicians tell you. People move jobs out of the country. Why do they move? Because of unions, because of taxation, because of regulation and other expenses. Yes, those big Republican corporations like Microsoft and Apple. Moved jobs right out of here for those reasons.

Right. Here's the thing. The reason why we didn't have rich people move jobs out of the country before was because 1) we had tariffs that made it too expensive to do so. Not so much today. Republicans got their free trade treaties and we got the resulting loss of jobs.

Your green President and his attack on coal and coal fired power plants will certainly help in that endeavor. Now industries will have to face higher electric costs. That's on top of Commie Care--another expense our job creators didn't need.

"Job Creators". Right. So how come when they got their tax cuts and their deregulation under that douchebag Bush, they didn't create any jobs?

Of course, and had he not been able to buy guns legally, that would have stopped him. He would have just given up on his plan.

People may be nutty, but that doesn't mean they are stupid. You want a gun, you'll find a gun--plenty of them. And no law in the world is going to change that.

Except in the REST of the world, this works just fine. Australia banned guns in 1996. They haven't had a mass shooting since. Japan bans private gun ownership, they've never had a mass shooting.

As far as mental health goes, years ago we used to commit people we thought were mentally unstable. The libs put a stop to that. They called it crime-less prisons. It was unconstitutional to lock people up when they did nothing wrong. Then we had to unlock the doors and let them out. They are still roaming the streets today.

No, you see, the problem was that after it was determined that just locking up the mentally ill was cruel, your boy Reagan decided to slash the shit out off outpatient programs because he had to give tax cuts to rich people.

The NRA is an organization that represents us--gun owners. Their interests are to have as many members as possible. That's how they make their money. They are no different than unions.

The largest seller of guns is your very own President and his minions that constantly talk about more government regulation.

Guy, the NRA is bought and paid for by the gun manufacturers. Do a little research.

This Is How The Gun Industry Funds The NRA - Business Insider

Since 2005, the gun industry and its corporate allies have given between $20 million and $52.6 million to it through the NRA Ring of Freedom sponsor program. Donors include firearm companies like Midway USA, Springfield Armory Inc, Pierce Bullet SealTarget Systems, and Beretta USA Corporation. Other supporters from the gun industry include Cabala's, Sturm Rugar & Co, and Smith & Wesson.

The NRA also made $20.9 million — about 10 percent of its revenue — from selling advertising to industry companies marketing products in its many publications in 2010, according to the IRS Form 990.

Are you sure you're not Joe Biden?

Remember that any spending comes from Congress which happened to be Democrat under Reagan. If there were any cuts, Democrats made them. But I assure you that this started before Reagan.

As far as other countries go, we are much different in many ways. On this subject of weapons, we are much more diverse than most countries. Some of our cultures are much more violent than others. The demographics are clear on this.

Other countries also have laws against recreational narcotics just like the US. So why are drugs such a huge problem here compared to other industrialized worlds? We have the second highest percentage of our population locked up, most of them because of drugs. Drugs have been illegal to sell and use as long as I've been alive. If anything, it seems there are more drugs today than ever.

The Bush tax cuts did create jobs. In fact, my employer purchased an entire new fleet of trucks. Our customers invested in machinery--some that cost them over a million dollars. Others added on to their existing buildings or otherwise opened up satellite warehouses. It was a great time, and if not for the housing bubble and collapse, I believe we would have enjoyed a good economy right up to Bush's last day in office.

 

[Vandalshandle]

In my state (AZ) you do not need a license to carry concealed, or carry openly, although some people buy one so that they will have something to show when they leave the state with their gun.. You not only do not have to go through any training, you do not even have to show someone that you know where the safety is. It is so ridiculous, that Nevada, which used to reciprocate with AZ on concealed carry licenses, no longer even recognizes an AZ concealed carry license. Any yahoo can strap on a pistol, and take it anywhere unless the owner of the property forbids firearms. Since damned near everyone down here is packing, these signs appear everywhere, even in Tombstone.

In that instance I would be a little paranoid if I were a police officer too. I think that the state needs to adopt laws and training most other states have.

You need to have a balance between armed citizens and authority. Armed carries need to respect police, and police need to respect armed citizens. It's difficult to have that mutual respect when the police don't know if a bad guy is armed and the law-abiding citizen doesn't know if he or she is going to be harassed by the police.

I spent a few years stationed in Arizona...it's no big deal, been like that a long time. You just assume everyone is armed, like most of the country used without thinking about it back in the days of our forefathers. Same with New Mexico, where I spent about a decade...open carry is legal and not out of the ordinary, same with the rural counties of Ohio...unlike the metro counties where carrying will surely result in panic calls to 911. I hate it when I have to educate some poor Cleveland copper on the law.

Two weeks ago, I stood in line at a Walmart cashier behind a man wearing a gun. He was so old, he was drooling, and his hand shook so badly that he could barely get his credit card out of his wallet.

Yep. And I bet after he left the store, he got into his 3,000 lbs car that can reach speeds of over 100 mph and legally drove away.

I doubt it. In AZ, licences have to be renewed. You have to pass a vision test every 5 years. If you are over age 65, and have an accident, you have to go through the complete driving course and test again.A lady I know who is 82 had an accident 2 months ago, and could not pass the drivers test, so they took her license. So, unlike guns, you have to demonstrate proficiency with an automobile. In Az, of course, you can still carry your gun around while senile.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Liberals are stupid people..... that's all you need to know... everywhere they have been able to implement their sick agendas are fucking unmitigated disasters.

 

[Vandalshandle]

"Commies in New York", Ray? I expected better than that from you.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Liberals are stupid people..... that's all you need to know... everywhere they have been able to implement their sick agendas is a fucking unmitigated disaster.

Well, if we are going to categorize people who demonstrate "stupidity", I would start with everyone who went through Katrina in New Orleans who has not left there.

 

[Rexx Taylor]

well what about pop tarts? I am worried that Bambi will remove them from all grocers.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

In my state (AZ) you do not need a license to carry concealed, or carry openly, although some people buy one so that they will have something to show when they leave the state with their gun.. You not only do not have to go through any training, you do not even have to show someone that you know where the safety is. It is so ridiculous, that Nevada, which used to reciprocate with AZ on concealed carry licenses, no longer even recognizes an AZ concealed carry license. Any yahoo can strap on a pistol, and take it anywhere unless the owner of the property forbids firearms. Since damned near everyone down here is packing, these signs appear everywhere, even in Tombstone.

In that instance I would be a little paranoid if I were a police officer too. I think that the state needs to adopt laws and training most other states have.

You need to have a balance between armed citizens and authority. Armed carries need to respect police, and police need to respect armed citizens. It's difficult to have that mutual respect when the police don't know if a bad guy is armed and the law-abiding citizen doesn't know if he or she is going to be harassed by the police.

I spent a few years stationed in Arizona...it's no big deal, been like that a long time. You just assume everyone is armed, like most of the country used without thinking about it back in the days of our forefathers. Same with New Mexico, where I spent about a decade...open carry is legal and not out of the ordinary, same with the rural counties of Ohio...unlike the metro counties where carrying will surely result in panic calls to 911. I hate it when I have to educate some poor Cleveland copper on the law.

Two weeks ago, I stood in line at a Walmart cashier behind a man wearing a gun. He was so old, he was drooling, and his hand shook so badly that he could barely get his credit card out of his wallet.

Yep. And I bet after he left the store, he got into his 3,000 lbs car that can reach speeds of over 100 mph and legally drove away.

I doubt it. In AZ, licences have to be renewed. You have to pass a vision test every 5 years. If you are over age 65, and have an accident, you have to go through the complete driving course and test again.A lady I know who is 82 had an accident 2 months ago, and could not pass the drivers test, so they took her license. So, unlike guns, you have to demonstrate proficiency with an automobile. In Az, of course, you can still carry your gun around while senile.

Over here I witnessed people so old that when their name was called, they had to get up on a walker to approach the table. It took them so long that the DMV worker called the next person while waiting for the guy on the walker to get up there.

I've seen elderly people fail the eye exam, but the worker just shrugged it off. Most of us have parents or grand parents we think of who are that age where we couldn't dream of taking their license away. Your drivers license is your freedom.

But then again, driving a car is not a Constitutional right--having a firearm is.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

"Commies in New York", Ray? I expected better than that from you.

They are. Hell, they banned trans-fats, they tried to ban certain size soda cups, they even have clip size restrictions for your gun, as if that would help anything.

NYC is cradle-to-grave politicians as far as the eye can see. When their Mayor first took office, one of his first concerns were the carriage rides because he felt sorry for the horses.

 

[Vigilante]

Horrible what happened in Oregon, BUT the same amount of people and more are killed every weekend in Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, D.C., and other black ghetto areas and NOTHING is said and done by the fake Negro in the White House, or the DemocRATS in charge of those cities! All of them have the strictest of gun laws, and they do nothing...it's simply THE PEOPLE that are fucked up and need to be eradicated from this society...Not all of them, but a damn big part of them!

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Liberals are stupid people..... that's all you need to know... everywhere they have been able to implement their sick agendas is a fucking unmitigated disaster.

Well, if we are going to categorize people who demonstrate "stupidity", I would start with everyone who went through Katrina in New Orleans who has not left there.

Thanks for proving my point asshat... would you say the same of anyone who still lives anywhere adversely affected by weather? How about NY & NJ? CA? FL? OK?

My God you people are dumb.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Horrible what happened in Oregon, BUT the same amount of people and more are killed every weekend in Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, D.C., and other black ghetto areas and NOTHING is said and done by the fake Negro in the White House, or the DemocRATS in charge of those cities! All of them have the strictest of gun laws, and they do nothing...it's simply THE PEOPLE that are fucked up and need to be eradicated from this society...Not all of them, but a damn big part of them!

True, but you can't lock people up because they are weird like this shooter in Oregon. We all know people who are a little strange. We can't be like the thought police in the book 1984.

But this is what happens when you take God out of society. This nut case was anti-religious. He selected who he was going to kill based on their religious beliefs. Obviously he wasn't raised in a religious household himself.

 

[Slyhunter]

But when Muslims fly jets into the Twin Towers killing thousands of people, the defenders of life do not say ban Muslims.

When news of a shocking incident hits some people, they look at the means of the bad thing happening and seek to control it. In this case guns. And being empassioned they're not thinking well and so say dumb things like ban the means the bad person did the bad thing. It's to be expected.

Of course people who think well even during times of crisis know better. You don't ban the car because a drunk takes out a schoolbus filled with happy little kids. Nor do you ban the alcohol. You simply see to it the drunk is executed or thrown down a deep dark hole somewhere where he'll never see daylight ever again.

Laws don't prevent criminals bent on doing criminal things. It's illegal to assassinate politicians yet people've done that throughout history. It's illegal to download intellectual property you didn't pay for, but just about everyone does that Laws don't prevent crime, they simply make it possible to punish criminals after the fact. But even if all private gun ownership was made illegal overnight, criminal-minded people would still get a hold of guns. And as it stands it's actually a lot easier to buy a gun on the street than in a gun store.

It's crowd-pleasing vote-winning tactics to promise to ban guns after shootings. But despite decades of doing that, we still have shootings. The bans don't prevent the next one.

You said it better than Jeb did. "Stuff happens."

 

[Vigilante]

Horrible what happened in Oregon, BUT the same amount of people and more are killed every weekend in Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, D.C., and other black ghetto areas and NOTHING is said and done by the fake Negro in the White House, or the DemocRATS in charge of those cities! All of them have the strictest of gun laws, and they do nothing...it's simply THE PEOPLE that are fucked up and need to be eradicated from this society...Not all of them, but a damn big part of them!

True, but you can't lock people up because they are weird like this shooter in Oregon. We all know people who are a little strange. We can't be like the thought police in the book 1984.

But this is what happens when you take God out of society. This nut case was anti-religious. He selected who he was going to kill based on their religious beliefs. Obviously he wasn't raised in a religious household himself.

I'm agnostic, but 9 out of 10 times stand with my brothers of faith, as their morals, ethics, and principles are also mine. Perhaps if HLS watched the atheists and religion haters as they do the patriots in the militias, and RETURNING VETS, we might be able to catch a few...although most of the religious haters could blow up at any time!

 

[Vandalshandle]

Liberals are stupid people..... that's all you need to know... everywhere they have been able to implement their sick agendas is a fucking unmitigated disaster.

Well, if we are going to categorize people who demonstrate "stupidity", I would start with everyone who went through Katrina in New Orleans who has not left there.

Thanks for proving my point asshat... would you say the same of anyone who still lives anywhere adversely affected by weather? How about NY & NJ? CA? FL? OK?

My God you people are dumb.

Well, I think that it speaks volumes that this liberal moved to a place that has no floods, earthquakes, hurricanes, or tornados, while that conservative continues to live in a city that is below sea level in many parts, and has suffered the worst flooding and hurricane damage in American history, with nothing but luck to count on that the whole thing would not happen again in any hurricane season.

Then again, we all know that your flood insurance is not actuarially sound, and is, in fact, subsidized by the government and the rest of the nation, which is a form of "free shit" that New Orleans residents enjoy from the government. (My flood insurance used to cost me $450 per year, and my Katrina claim was $115,000). So, maybe I am being unfair. It sounds like you are not really a conservative, but more like a democrat.

Just sayin'