How did the Federal Government aquire much of the land in Utah and Neveda?

[Old Rocks]

Regreening of Cache Valley

Cache Valley was settled by Mormon pioneers in the early 1860s. When they arrived in the area they found rich soil, clear running streams, wild game, and abundant lumber and grazing resources. From 1860–1900, in their efforts to grow their faith communities and turn profits in the national economy, Mormon settlers exploited the natural resources found in Cache Valley and the nearby Bear River Range. During the 1870s and 1880s loggers removed entire forests, and from 1890–1900 thousands of cattle and sheep overgrazed the range. Wherever settlers went they transformed the landscape, hunted wild game, and introduced nonnative plant and animal species.

By the turn of the 20th Century, Cache Valley and the Bear River Range looked substantially different. Where there had once been forests, burned and scarred lands remained. In areas where native grasses had flourished, timothy, sagebrush, and juniper now dominated. Wild game that once roamed the hills had been replaced with cattle and sheep. The compounded effects of resource exploitation ultimately resulted in watershed damage. Mountain streams, which provided water for both townspeople and farmers living in Cache Valley, experienced serious decline.

In 1902, unable to get the water they needed, residents petitioned the federal government to have much of the Bear River Range set aside as a forest reserve. During July 1902 chief grazing officer Albert F. Potter surveyed the Bear River Range on behalf of the federal government. Potter took photos of the area and recorded the general environmental condition of the Bear River Range. On May 29, 1903, President Theodore Roosevelt signed a proclamation creating the Logan Forest Reserve. During the decade following the creation of the Logan Forest Reserve (later renamed Cache National Forest), forest managers and settlers worked to restore, or “re-green” Cache Valley and the Bear River Range.

This is but one example of many where the local people petitioned the Federal Government to take over the land for the protection of the residents of the land.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Conservation is an important job for the government. No other entity could enforce the law or protect the land like a state or federal government can. Creating the National Park system was among Teddy Roosevelt's greatest achievement.

 

[Old Rocks]

Ranching and conservation go very well together. While we have the assholes like Bundy present, we have real men and women of the land that are a credit both to the ranching communities and to the conservation communities;

Can Cows and Conservation Mix?

 

[Freewill]

Correct me if I am wrong. The federal government, either through conquest or purchase, obtained most of the land. Then they opened land for people in the form of homesteads. We all have seen the pictures of people lining up to race onto federal land to stake a claim. So all the land once belonged to the federal government, WE the people. The Bundy farm is no exception it was made claim to through homesteading. In other words they were given the land. The federal government can also do as they did first at Yellowstone and put federal land as a national park. Private land is bought at prices that usually seem to be low but none the less as far as I know land ownership is recognized.

 

[DiamondDave]

Conservation is an important job for the government. No other entity could enforce the law or protect the land like a state or federal government can. Creating the National Park system was among Teddy Roosevelt's greatest achievement.

No.. actually it is not... the federal government, unless it is making an owned federal park or using the land for a specific task like a military base or an office building, has no business being a land baron... that land was not intended to remain in federal hands

 

[Freewill]

Conservation is an important job for the government. No other entity could enforce the law or protect the land like a state or federal government can. Creating the National Park system was among Teddy Roosevelt's greatest achievement.

I agree as long as conservation is not used as a weapon to enforce one person's political agenda over another's.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Conservation is an important job for the government. No other entity could enforce the law or protect the land like a state or federal government can. Creating the National Park system was among Teddy Roosevelt's greatest achievement.

No.. actually it is not... the federal government, unless it is making an owned federal park or using the land for a specific task like a military base or an office building, has no business being a land baron... that land was not intended to remain in federal hands

Federal Parks are what I was talking about.

 

[peach174]

Conservation is an important job for the government. No other entity could enforce the law or protect the land like a state or federal government can. Creating the National Park system was among Teddy Roosevelt's greatest achievement.

I agree.
National parks should be done by the Federal Government and States should manage their own lands.
Too many in congress do not know or understand the individual problems that each State has with the management of their own lands.

 

[Sallow]

Regreening of Cache Valley

Cache Valley was settled by Mormon pioneers in the early 1860s. When they arrived in the area they found rich soil, clear running streams, wild game, and abundant lumber and grazing resources. From 1860–1900, in their efforts to grow their faith communities and turn profits in the national economy, Mormon settlers exploited the natural resources found in Cache Valley and the nearby Bear River Range. During the 1870s and 1880s loggers removed entire forests, and from 1890–1900 thousands of cattle and sheep overgrazed the range. Wherever settlers went they transformed the landscape, hunted wild game, and introduced nonnative plant and animal species.

By the turn of the 20th Century, Cache Valley and the Bear River Range looked substantially different. Where there had once been forests, burned and scarred lands remained. In areas where native grasses had flourished, timothy, sagebrush, and juniper now dominated. Wild game that once roamed the hills had been replaced with cattle and sheep. The compounded effects of resource exploitation ultimately resulted in watershed damage. Mountain streams, which provided water for both townspeople and farmers living in Cache Valley, experienced serious decline.

In 1902, unable to get the water they needed, residents petitioned the federal government to have much of the Bear River Range set aside as a forest reserve. During July 1902 chief grazing officer Albert F. Potter surveyed the Bear River Range on behalf of the federal government. Potter took photos of the area and recorded the general environmental condition of the Bear River Range. On May 29, 1903, President Theodore Roosevelt signed a proclamation creating the Logan Forest Reserve. During the decade following the creation of the Logan Forest Reserve (later renamed Cache National Forest), forest managers and settlers worked to restore, or “re-green” Cache Valley and the Bear River Range.

This is but one example of many where the local people petitioned the Federal Government to take over the land for the protection of the residents of the land.

You ever bothering reading the history books before posting?

Utah was Mexican territory when the first pioneers arrived in 1847. Early in the Mexican-American War in late 1846, the United States had captured New Mexico and California, and the whole Southwest became U.S. territory upon the signing of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, February 2, 1848. The treaty was ratified by the United States Senate on March 11. Learning that California and New Mexico were applying for statehood, the settlers of the area (originally having planned to petition for territorial status) applied for statehood with an ambitious plan for a State of Deseret.
Utah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[DiamondDave]

Conservation is an important job for the government. No other entity could enforce the law or protect the land like a state or federal government can. Creating the National Park system was among Teddy Roosevelt's greatest achievement.

No.. actually it is not... the federal government, unless it is making an owned federal park or using the land for a specific task like a military base or an office building, has no business being a land baron... that land was not intended to remain in federal hands

Federal Parks are what I was talking about.

Yet that area of massive land, still controlled by the federal government, is not a national park... and therein lies the problem

 

[peach174]

Regreening of Cache Valley

Cache Valley was settled by Mormon pioneers in the early 1860s. When they arrived in the area they found rich soil, clear running streams, wild game, and abundant lumber and grazing resources. From 1860–1900, in their efforts to grow their faith communities and turn profits in the national economy, Mormon settlers exploited the natural resources found in Cache Valley and the nearby Bear River Range. During the 1870s and 1880s loggers removed entire forests, and from 1890–1900 thousands of cattle and sheep overgrazed the range. Wherever settlers went they transformed the landscape, hunted wild game, and introduced nonnative plant and animal species.

By the turn of the 20th Century, Cache Valley and the Bear River Range looked substantially different. Where there had once been forests, burned and scarred lands remained. In areas where native grasses had flourished, timothy, sagebrush, and juniper now dominated. Wild game that once roamed the hills had been replaced with cattle and sheep. The compounded effects of resource exploitation ultimately resulted in watershed damage. Mountain streams, which provided water for both townspeople and farmers living in Cache Valley, experienced serious decline.

In 1902, unable to get the water they needed, residents petitioned the federal government to have much of the Bear River Range set aside as a forest reserve. During July 1902 chief grazing officer Albert F. Potter surveyed the Bear River Range on behalf of the federal government. Potter took photos of the area and recorded the general environmental condition of the Bear River Range. On May 29, 1903, President Theodore Roosevelt signed a proclamation creating the Logan Forest Reserve. During the decade following the creation of the Logan Forest Reserve (later renamed Cache National Forest), forest managers and settlers worked to restore, or “re-green” Cache Valley and the Bear River Range.

This is but one example of many where the local people petitioned the Federal Government to take over the land for the protection of the residents of the land.

You ever bothering reading the history books before posting?

Utah was Mexican territory when the first pioneers arrived in 1847. Early in the Mexican-American War in late 1846, the United States had captured New Mexico and California, and the whole Southwest became U.S. territory upon the signing of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, February 2, 1848. The treaty was ratified by the United States Senate on March 11. Learning that California and New Mexico were applying for statehood, the settlers of the area (originally having planned to petition for territorial status) applied for statehood with an ambitious plan for a State of Deseret.
Utah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You beat me to it.
I was going to say that the Feds owned the land before there was any States.

 

[Camp]

Conservation is an important job for the government. No other entity could enforce the law or protect the land like a state or federal government can. Creating the National Park system was among Teddy Roosevelt's greatest achievement.

No.. actually it is not... the federal government, unless it is making an owned federal park or using the land for a specific task like a military base or an office building, has no business being a land baron... that land was not intended to remain in federal hands

Sez who? What do you base that opinion on? Are you familiar with Article 4, section 3 clause 2 of the US Constitution? What about the Land Ordinance of 1785 and the follow-up Northwest Ordinance of 1787?

 

[peach174]

Correct me if I am wrong. The federal government, either through conquest or purchase, obtained most of the land. Then they opened land for people in the form of homesteads. We all have seen the pictures of people lining up to race onto federal land to stake a claim. So all the land once belonged to the federal government, WE the people. The Bundy farm is no exception it was made claim to through homesteading. In other words they were given the land. The federal government can also do as they did first at Yellowstone and put federal land as a national park. Private land is bought at prices that usually seem to be low but none the less as far as I know land ownership is recognized.

The problem was that the Western States were not as lush as the Eastern States were.
The homesteaders needed more that 160 aces in order to make a good living on the land.
Many could not make it with just that amount and they went bust or just gave up and gave the land back to the government.
This is how the Federal came to own much more of land in the West.
Then the States did their own management until the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976 when it turned it over for the Federal Government to manage the land.
This is when much of the problems began with fights over grazing and water use started.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Conservation is an important job for the government. No other entity could enforce the law or protect the land like a state or federal government can. Creating the National Park system was among Teddy Roosevelt's greatest achievement.

So 85% of Nevada is national park land?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Conservation is an important job for the government. No other entity could enforce the law or protect the land like a state or federal government can. Creating the National Park system was among Teddy Roosevelt's greatest achievement.

No.. actually it is not... the federal government, unless it is making an owned federal park or using the land for a specific task like a military base or an office building, has no business being a land baron... that land was not intended to remain in federal hands

Clause 2: Federal Property and Territory Clause

The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.[8]

The Federal Property and Territory Clause or Property Clause gives the United States Congress exclusive authority to set rules and regulations for the management of public lands. For example, pursuant to a parallel clause in Article One, Section Eight, the Supreme Court has held that states may not tax such federal property. In another case, Kleppe v. New Mexico, the Court ruled that the Federal Wild Horse and Burro Act was a constitutional exercise of congressional power under the Property Clause at least insofar as it was applied to prohibit the New Mexico Livestock Board from entering upon the public lands of the United States and removing wild burros under the New Mexico Estray Law.[9]

Article Four of the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[DiamondDave]

Conservation is an important job for the government. No other entity could enforce the law or protect the land like a state or federal government can. Creating the National Park system was among Teddy Roosevelt's greatest achievement.

No.. actually it is not... the federal government, unless it is making an owned federal park or using the land for a specific task like a military base or an office building, has no business being a land baron... that land was not intended to remain in federal hands

Sez who? What do you base that opinion on? Are you familiar with Article 4, section 3 clause 2 of the US Constitution? What about the Land Ordinance of 1785 and the follow-up Northwest Ordinance of 1787?

Try the treaty in which that land was obtained

I am also sure you can understand obtaining land to create states, and the difference between that and controlling the land after the state has been created

 

[tyroneweaver]

interesting, my dad used to graze dairy cows all the time in Cache valley. now I deliver boxes there for boise cascade.
nice area virtually no crime
Home of Utah State universtiy where harry reid graduated
I wouldn't wanna live there though, for some reason it's one of the coldest areas in the nation. They could definately use a little global warming theree

 

[JakeStarkey]

No.. actually it is not... the federal government, unless it is making an owned federal park or using the land for a specific task like a military base or an office building, has no business being a land baron... that land was not intended to remain in federal hands

Federal Parks are what I was talking about.

Yet that area of massive land, still controlled by the federal government, is not a national park... and therein lies the problem

Yes.

And to solve the problem is going to require congressional delegations getting legislation passed to address it.

 

[BlindBoo]

Actually, it was never Nevada land.

Instead, in its Constitution, Nevada agreed to "forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within said territory ... at the sole and entire disposition of the United States."

A common misunderstanding concerning rancher Cliven Bundy's refusal to pay grazing fees near his ranch north of Las Vegas is many believe the land once belonged to Nevada.

It's simply not true.

Ask the RGJ: Who released Nevada's public lands?

 

[boedicca]

Conservation is an important job for the government. No other entity could enforce the law or protect the land like a state or federal government can. Creating the National Park system was among Teddy Roosevelt's greatest achievement.

No.. actually it is not... the federal government, unless it is making an owned federal park or using the land for a specific task like a military base or an office building, has no business being a land baron... that land was not intended to remain in federal hands

Federal Parks are what I was talking about.

Here's the problem: the EPA treats the ENTIRE UNITED STATES as though it is a national park for the preservation of endangered species (except when the feds allow their cronies to kill said endangered species with a green energy project).