How do we Know Human are Causing Climate Change?

[Crick]

Crossplot post industrial revolution atmospheric CO2 against temperature and you will see that the empirical climate evidence does not support temperature being a function of CO2.

Why would you need a crossplot to see the relationships between only two parameters? Where is "the empirical evidence" in a crossplot of CO2 and temperature?

 

[Crick]

Because the poles have different thresholds for glaciation.

My "Why?" was in response to your "double-dog dare" regarding your rhetorical query as to "Climate fluctuations and environmental uncertainty are hallmarks of our bipolar glaciated planet". Your response here does NOT answer that query. You get one more chance. Why are climate fluctuations and environmental uncertainty hallmarks of our bipolar (and what planet lacks two poles?) glaciated planet?

Do you know why they do?

Answer your double dog dare first child.

 

[jc456]

Of course not, but the transient ones covering north America, like Minesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, Ohio, etc. did melt off.

What it means is we’re still in an ice age

 

[jc456]

Why would you need a crossplot to see the relationships between only two parameters? Where is "the empirical evidence" in a crossplot of CO2 and temperature?

All data shows co2 lags temperatures. Closes your nonsense

 

[Crick]

Why would you need a crossplot to see the relationships between only two parameters? Where is "the empirical evidence" in a crossplot of CO2 and temperature?

When I was working we made a variety of data plots. The most common were bearing error vs actual relative bearing and range error vs actual range. But at one point one of my coworkers discovered that plotting bearing error vs bearing rate or range error vs range rate would reveal timing errors. Any dependence of the bearing error on bearing rate or range error on the range rate, indicated a timing error in the fire control system, where our data were coming from. And these were cross plots of only two parameters, though bearing and range rates were calculated.

You, Ding, seem to be claiming (and this is the frustrating part - that we always have to try to figure out what you're not saying) that crossplotting these two will refute the very strong correlation all the rest of climate science has found between CO2 and temperature. But if that's what you believe, you're going to have to say it and then demonstrate it.

 

[jc456]

When I was working we made a variety of data plots. The most common were bearing error vs actual relative bearing and range error vs actual range. But at one point one of my coworkers discovered that plotting bearing error vs bearing rate or range error vs range rate would reveal timing errors. Any dependence of the bearing error on bearing rate or range error on the range rate, indicated a timing error in the fire control system, where our data were coming from. And these were cross plots of only two parameters, though bearing and range rates were calculated.

You, Ding, seem to be claiming (and this is the frustrating part - that we always have to try to figure out what you're not saying) that crossplotting these two will refute the very strong correlation all the rest of climate science has found between CO2 and temperature. But if that's what you believe, you're going to have to say it and then demonstrate it.

 

[Grumblenuts]

 

[jc456]

It’s hilarious to me that climate nutters don’t understand winter vs summer and the tilt of the planet

 

[Crick]

It’s hilarious to me that climate nutters don’t understand winter vs summer and the tilt of the planet

It's anything but funny how poorly you understand fundamental science presented in as clear a manner as that. Does your summer take 41,000 years to come on?

 

[jc456]

It's anything but funny how poorly you understand fundamental science presented in as clear a manner as that. Does your summer take 41,000 years to come on?

Are the poles ice free?

 

[Crick]

Are the poles ice free?

Trolling is all you have ever known how to do. How many times has management had to speak to you about that?

 

[jc456]

Trolling is all you have ever known how to do. How many times has management had to speak to you about that?

Get on topic! We know humans aren’t responsible because the poles still have ice!!

 

[ding]

I'm afraid that doesn't address anything he actually said.

It certainly does. It just went over your head.

 

[ding]

Why would you need a crossplot to see the relationships between only two parameters? Where is "the empirical evidence" in a crossplot of CO2 and temperature?

Because it is the crossplotting of the data that proves a functional relationship exists in reality and can empirically quantify that relationship. You can crossplot carbon emissions versus CO2 and see that post industrial revolution that atmospheric CO2 is a function of carbon emissions; determine the empirical relationship; and use the empirically derived formula to make accurate future predictions based upon the empirically derived relationship and formula. You can do the exact same thing for pre-industrial revolution but prior to that atmospheric CO2 was a function of temperature.

That's why crossplotting is done everywhere else but here.

 

[ding]

My "Why?" was in response to your "double-dog dare" regarding your rhetorical query as to "Climate fluctuations and environmental uncertainty are hallmarks of our bipolar glaciated planet". Your response here does NOT answer that query. You get one more chance. Why are climate fluctuations and environmental uncertainty hallmarks of our bipolar (and what planet lacks two poles?) glaciated planet?

Answer your double dog dare first child.

Sure it did. That went over your head too. 50 million years of the planet cooling and transitioning from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet will not be reversed by 200 years of increased CO2 emissions. And that's why no one on your idiotic team has ever dared to crossplot the last 200 years of atmospheric CO2 versus temperature. Because the data does not support your idiotic beliefs.

Go ahead and provide me with 200 years of CO2 and temperature data you will accept as valid data and I will show you what an idiot your are by crossplotting this data and comparing it the pre-industrial revolution CO2 and temperature data.

 

[ding]

When I was working we made a variety of data plots. The most common were bearing error vs actual relative bearing and range error vs actual range. But at one point one of my coworkers discovered that plotting bearing error vs bearing rate or range error vs range rate would reveal timing errors. Any dependence of the bearing error on bearing rate or range error on the range rate, indicated a timing error in the fire control system, where our data were coming from. And these were cross plots of only two parameters, though bearing and range rates were calculated.

You, Ding, seem to be claiming (and this is the frustrating part - that we always have to try to figure out what you're not saying) that crossplotting these two will refute the very strong correlation all the rest of climate science has found between CO2 and temperature. But if that's what you believe, you're going to have to say it and then demonstrate it.

Give me 200 years of data that you accept as valid and I will show you what an idiot you are.

 

[Crick]

Give me 200 years of data that you accept as valid and I will show you what an idiot you are.

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You have stated on numerous occasions that the correlation between CO2 and temperature is weak or non-existent. Mainstream science believes the opposite. You'll have to forgive me if I go with mainstream science.

The correlation between CO2 and temperature

This week, Australian TV channel ABC aired an interview with Australian senator Steve Fielding. The senator is studying both sides of the debate and genuinely seems to be struggling with the question of whether man is causing global warming. He found particularly persuasive the argument that in...

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The CO2/Temperature correlation over the 20th Century

Previously, we looked at the correlation between CO2 and temperature over the past 40 years. However, as I'm always saying, you need to look at the broader view, not just a single piece of the puzzle. The 40 year period was chosen to demonstrate that even during a period of long term warming...

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If carbon dioxide hits a new high every year, why isn’t every year hotter than the last?

Thanks to the global oceans, Earth's surface temperature doesn't react instantly to the full impact of a climate disturbance. That delayed reaction has pros and cons.

www.climate.gov

https://cen.acs.org/articles/87/i51/Comes-First-CO2-Heat.html

Does the high coefficient of determination in this graph predict a huge spike in global warming?

I have had three semesters of college statistics as part of my BSBA degree. From what I recall from regression analysis the graph seems to show a very high coefficient of determination between CO2 ...

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[jc456]

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You have stated on numerous occasions that the correlation between CO2 and temperature is weak or non-existent. Mainstream science believes the opposite. You'll have to forgive me if I go with mainstream science.

The correlation between CO2 and temperature

This week, Australian TV channel ABC aired an interview with Australian senator Steve Fielding. The senator is studying both sides of the debate and genuinely seems to be struggling with the question of whether man is causing global warming. He found particularly persuasive the argument that in...

skepticalscience.com

The CO2/Temperature correlation over the 20th Century

Previously, we looked at the correlation between CO2 and temperature over the past 40 years. However, as I'm always saying, you need to look at the broader view, not just a single piece of the puzzle. The 40 year period was chosen to demonstrate that even during a period of long term warming...

skepticalscience.com

If carbon dioxide hits a new high every year, why isn’t every year hotter than the last?

Thanks to the global oceans, Earth's surface temperature doesn't react instantly to the full impact of a climate disturbance. That delayed reaction has pros and cons.

www.climate.gov

https://cen.acs.org/articles/87/i51/Comes-First-CO2-Heat.html

Does the high coefficient of determination in this graph predict a huge spike in global warming?

I have had three semesters of college statistics as part of my BSBA degree. From what I recall from regression analysis the graph seems to show a very high coefficient of determination between CO2 ...

stats.stackexchange.com

Except

Climate myths: Ice cores show CO₂ increases lag behind temperature rises, disproving the link to global warming

This proves that rising CO2 was not the trigger that caused the initial warming at the end of these ice ages - but no climate scientist has ever made this claim

www.newscientist.com

 

[EMH]

What the atmospheric data really said and the laughable excuses the warmers used to FUDGE IT...


NO WARMING = THEORY REJECTED


no no no just FUDGE IT...

Key claim against global warming evaporates

Satellite and weather balloon data used to argue that climate models were wrong and that global warming isn't really happening turns out to be based on faulty analyses, according to three new studies.

www.nbcnews.com

The correlation between Co2 and atmospheric temperature is precisely


0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000

 

[ding]

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You have stated on numerous occasions that the correlation between CO2 and temperature is weak or non-existent. Mainstream science believes the opposite. You'll have to forgive me if I go with mainstream science.

The correlation between CO2 and temperature

This week, Australian TV channel ABC aired an interview with Australian senator Steve Fielding. The senator is studying both sides of the debate and genuinely seems to be struggling with the question of whether man is causing global warming. He found particularly persuasive the argument that in...

skepticalscience.com

The CO2/Temperature correlation over the 20th Century

Previously, we looked at the correlation between CO2 and temperature over the past 40 years. However, as I'm always saying, you need to look at the broader view, not just a single piece of the puzzle. The 40 year period was chosen to demonstrate that even during a period of long term warming...

skepticalscience.com

If carbon dioxide hits a new high every year, why isn’t every year hotter than the last?

Thanks to the global oceans, Earth's surface temperature doesn't react instantly to the full impact of a climate disturbance. That delayed reaction has pros and cons.

www.climate.gov

https://cen.acs.org/articles/87/i51/Comes-First-CO2-Heat.html

Does the high coefficient of determination in this graph predict a huge spike in global warming?

I have had three semesters of college statistics as part of my BSBA degree. From what I recall from regression analysis the graph seems to show a very high coefficient of determination between CO2 ...

stats.stackexchange.com

None of those are crossplots. You literally have to plot CO2 versus temperature. Provide the data that is acceptable to you and I will crossplot it for you because you don't seem capable of doing so yourself.