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The only real solution is taking away the politicians ABILITY to give them what they want.
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The only real solution is taking away the politicians ABILITY to give them what they want.
No, what Paul is, is proof that there are still people who can be trusted to be honest in office and serve the individual rather than corporate America.Again, I point to Ron Paul.
If he's not a perfect example that there's still politicians who can't be bought, I don't know who is.
Paul is a person. Get him elected, then in 8 years, what? That doesn't change the root cause. You can't count on a Ron Paul every 8 years. Unlike RP, most of us are human and frail. Best to remove temptation.
He gives me every reason to assume there can still be an honest government, but the problem is we only elect the crooks.
The reason why that is, is because from the local level all the way to the top there's an establishment that is deeply embedded in the system that does everything it can to keep the honest people out of office. And then the media keeps the cap on things by providing us with an illusion of only certain choices, and people eat it up every single election.
Nothing is going to change until the voters themselves wake the fuck up.
No, what Paul is, is proof that there are still people who can be trusted to be honest in office and serve the individual rather than corporate America.Paul is a person. Get him elected, then in 8 years, what? That doesn't change the root cause. You can't count on a Ron Paul every 8 years. Unlike RP, most of us are human and frail. Best to remove temptation.
He gives me every reason to assume there can still be an honest government, but the problem is we only elect the crooks.
The reason why that is, is because from the local level all the way to the top there's an establishment that is deeply embedded in the system that does everything it can to keep the honest people out of office. And then the media keeps the cap on things by providing us with an illusion of only certain choices, and people eat it up every single election.
Nothing is going to change until the voters themselves wake the fuck up.
Don't want to wait for that. It's why I don't like libertarianism. We're supposed to wait around and hope for a change in human nature.
The only real solution is taking away the politicians ABILITY to give them what they want.
Fixed.
Campaign finance reform isn't the cure. I've explained this now about 12 times in several threads. It's in this one too.
May not be the final cure, but you can't deny it will help to heal our system.
Politicians spend 30% of their time fundraising to get elected. If they know that Company A always donates an easy $50,000 to their campaign every 2 years, when it comes time to legislate chances are they're going to try their hardest not to tick off that company by voting for regulation that will take away at that company's profits, ect. They become dependent on that campaign finance money because they know that if they don't get it, they'll be voted out next term.
However, if a politician no longer receives funding from Company A, and only from the public - let's say in a taxpayer funded campaign system - they will no longer be as concerned about pissing off Company A through legislating laws because the politician will no longer be dependent on that $50,000 to get reelected every 2 years.
I think dependence corruption is one of our system's biggest weaknesses.
You're assuming that money isn't smart, and isn't going to find its way into the tightest cracks. It's like water. You can't stop it from finding its way in.
Company A will find another way to get what it wants.
The only real solution is taking away the politicians who give them what they want.
No, what Paul is, is proof that there are still people who can be trusted to be honest in office and serve the individual rather than corporate America.
He gives me every reason to assume there can still be an honest government, but the problem is we only elect the crooks.
The reason why that is, is because from the local level all the way to the top there's an establishment that is deeply embedded in the system that does everything it can to keep the honest people out of office. And then the media keeps the cap on things by providing us with an illusion of only certain choices, and people eat it up every single election.
Nothing is going to change until the voters themselves wake the fuck up.
Don't want to wait for that. It's why I don't like libertarianism. We're supposed to wait around and hope for a change in human nature.
Said like a true central planner at heart.
May not be the final cure, but you can't deny it will help to heal our system.
Politicians spend 30% of their time fundraising to get elected. If they know that Company A always donates an easy $50,000 to their campaign every 2 years, when it comes time to legislate chances are they're going to try their hardest not to tick off that company by voting for regulation that will take away at that company's profits, ect. They become dependent on that campaign finance money because they know that if they don't get it, they'll be voted out next term.
However, if a politician no longer receives funding from Company A, and only from the public - let's say in a taxpayer funded campaign system - they will no longer be as concerned about pissing off Company A through legislating laws because the politician will no longer be dependent on that $50,000 to get reelected every 2 years.
I think dependence corruption is one of our system's biggest weaknesses.
You're assuming that money isn't smart, and isn't going to find its way into the tightest cracks. It's like water. You can't stop it from finding its way in.
Company A will find another way to get what it wants.
The only real solution is taking away the politicians who give them what they want.
If they're not taking campaign funds, they're taking graft, which can be taken care of the old-fashioned way.
Don't want to wait for that. It's why I don't like libertarianism. We're supposed to wait around and hope for a change in human nature.
Said like a true central planner at heart.
The plan is to give everyone a more equal voice. It's not liberty, if someone can tip the balance with dough.
When it comes to politics itself, I want honest POLITICIANS, I don't really care about honest companies in that regard because they can give all the money they want and they'll only get what they want if it's GIVEN to them.
Changing campaign finance only empowers the dishonest to find other ways to be dishonest.
Do you realize how much power we have as voters?
MUCH more power than any amount of money.
But we refuse to use it.
You're assuming that money isn't smart, and isn't going to find its way into the tightest cracks. It's like water. You can't stop it from finding its way in.
Company A will find another way to get what it wants.
The only real solution is taking away the politicians who give them what they want.
If they're not taking campaign funds, they're taking graft, which can be taken care of the old-fashioned way.
Right, because we're just kicking politicians out of office left and right for accepting bribes.
Bribes come in all different forms, and it's damn near impossible to trace it all to any particular source and destination. Dirty money is dirty and always will be.
Just saying, remove opportunities to take bribes. Lobbyists could still lobby. They just wouldn't be able to dangle campaign contributions as bait to get what they want.
This is how bad it is and how fucking stupid we really are...
The 99% keeps electing politicians who benefit the 1% the most.
And instead of kicking them all out and starting fresh, we want these SAME BASTARDS to write us laws that will save us from ourselves instead!
Fucking retarded!
And with that, I'm out. Have a good day sirs.