How Liberals Use Science

[Moonglow]

One can easily say that FDR's Eugenic Tuskegee Experiments and Planned Parenthood were huge influences on Mengele and the Nazis.

I wonder if Mengele ever corresponded directly with Margaret Sanger Singer and FDR?

It was nothing like giving Indians small pocks infested blankets...

Never happened.
Simply another Liberal myth.

Trail of Tears,,,never happened....

 

[PoliticalChic]

One can easily say that FDR's Eugenic Tuskegee Experiments and Planned Parenthood were huge influences on Mengele and the Nazis.

I wonder if Mengele ever corresponded directly with Margaret Sanger Singer and FDR?

It was nothing like giving Indians small pocks infested blankets...

Hitler’s Inspiration and Guide: The Native American Holocaust

...
As Pulitzer Prize-winning author, John Toland, notes in his book Adolf Hitler (pg. 202):

Hitler's concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and United States history. He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in South Africa and for the Indians in the wild west; and often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America's extermination—by starvation and uneven combat—of the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity.

He was very interested in the way the Indian population had rapidly declined due to epidemics and starvation when the United States government forced them to live on the reservations. He thought the American government's forced migrations of the Indians over great distances to barren reservation land was a deliberate policy of extermination. Just how much Hitler took from the American example of the destruction of the Indian nations is hard to say; however, frightening parallels can be drawn. For some time Hitler considered deporting the Jews to a large 'reservation' in the Lubin area where their numbers would be reduced through starvation and disease.

Hitler 8217 s Inspiration and Guide The Native American Holocaust Sacred Intentions Jewish Journal

This is totally false.

The use and functions of concentration camps was taught to Hitler by his mentor and ally, Joseph Stalin....he'd been using them for years.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hitler used barter as a means of economic success...is that liberal? Socialist or conservative?

Did you mention Hitler's economic policies?

1. The National Socialists hailed Franklin Roosevelt's ‘relief measures’ in ways you will recognize:
   1. May 11, 1933, the Nazi newspaper Volkischer Beobachter, (People’s Observer): “Roosevelt’s Dictatorial Recovery Measures.”
   2. And on January 17, 1934, “We, too, as German National Socialists are looking toward America…” and “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” comparable to Hitler’s own dictatorial ‘Fuhrerprinzip.’
   3. And “[Roosevelt], too demands that collective good be put before individual self-interest. Many passages in his book ‘Looking Forward’ could have been written by a National Socialist….one can assume that he feels considerable affinity with the National Socialist philosophy.”
   4. The paper also refers to “…the fictional appearance of democracy.”
2. In 1938, American ambassador Hugh R. Wilson reported to FDR his conversations with Hitler: “Hitler then said that he had watched with interest the methods which you, Mr. President, have been attempting to adopt for the United States…. I added that you were very much interested in certain phases of the sociological effort, notably for the youth and workmen, which is being made in Germany…” cited in “Franklin D. Roosevelt and Foreign Affairs,” vol.2, p. 27.

When do you think the left will accuse FDR of being one of those who were actually conservatives back then?

What a great Limbaughesque point.

They try to claim the southern racists were conservative when the most popular Democrat today, Clinton, was and is racist....

Thanks, for the compliment!!!

BTW it only took two posts for moonglow to oblige.

The OP does the opposite?No false narratives there?

Let's proceed with your remedial education:

4. Hawksley mentioned Harry Laughlin. Do you recognize the name?

The value to the Progressives of their ownership of the schools and the press is that it allows them to bury 'inconvenient' issues. That's why most are unaware of Harry Laughlin, one-time heartthrob of Liberals. Laughlin was the progenitor of so many of the 'scientific studies' that Progressives used to advance eugenics.

And we all know how Liberals love the phrase 'studies show......'


" Harry Hamilton Laughlin(March 11, 1880 – January 26, 1943) was a leading American eugenicist in the first half of the 20th century. He was the Director of the Eugenics Record Office from its inception in 1910 to its closing in 1939, and was among the most active individuals in influencing American eugenics policy, especially compulsory sterilization legislation." Harry H. Laughlin - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


a. " His rhetorical power helped him gain considerable public support and persuade many Americans that these efforts were well within the mainstream of Progressive Era science." An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie


b. " The Reichstag of Nazi Germany passed the Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring in 1933, closely based on Laughlin's model."
Harry Bruinius, "Better for All the World: The Secret History of Forced Sterilization and America's Quest for Racial Purity."

 

[paperview]

"...Margaret Singers Eugenic program (Aka: Planned Parenthood)"

Kind of makes you wonder why Grandpa Bush was National Treasurer of Planned Parenthood, eh?

and the Father of modern Conservatism, Barry Goldwater (and his wife, who started a birth control clinic in Az) were fans of Planned Parenthood too --

In fact, Planned Parenthood even has

The Goldwater Award - Planned Parenthood Action Center

 

[PoliticalChic]

One can easily say that FDR's Eugenic Tuskegee Experiments and Planned Parenthood were huge influences on Mengele and the Nazis.

I wonder if Mengele ever corresponded directly with Margaret Sanger Singer and FDR?

It was nothing like giving Indians small pocks infested blankets...

Just to keep the discussion real:

Dissent to the biological weapon theory[edit] Native American disease and epidemics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
There is scholarly dissent to the theory that the outbreaks of smallpox may have been by the intentional spreading of disease, for example the allegations of smallpox-infested blankets being intentionally given to Native Americans in 1763 at the Siege of Fort Pitt.[10] The outbreaks that occurred specifically in this region may have resulted from sporadic cases already occurring amongst Indians rather than from this scenario.[9] Historians also say that though blankets containing smallpox may have been distributed to Native Americans by the Europeans, they may have been given with good will and intentions, instead of for the purpose of disseminating disease. Additionally, scholars such as Gregory Dowd, are of the opinion that disease was spread by Native Americans returning from battling infected Europeans. Therefore it may have been carried by Native Americans to their own people and spread.[11] Europeans lack of understanding of basic germ theory until proven by Pasteur in 1865, can preclude a thoughtful and systematic use of infected blankets as a weapon.

Actual quotes from actual people:

During Pontiac's uprising in 1763, the Indians besieged Fort Pitt. They burned nearby houses, forcing the inhabitants to take refuge in the well-protected fort. The British officer in charge, Captain Simeon Ecuyer, reported to Colonel Henry Bouquet in Philadelphia that he feared the crowded conditions would result in disease. Smallpox had already broken out. On June 24, 1763, William Trent, a local trader, recorded in his journal that two Indian chiefs had visited the fort, urging the British to abandon the fight, but the British refused.

Instead, when the Indians were ready to leave, Trent wrote: "Out of our regard for them, we gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect."

Sir Jeffery Amherst, commander of British forces in North America, wrote July 7, 1763, probably unaware of the events at Fort Pitt:

"Could it not be contrived to Send the Small Pox among those Disaffected Tribes of Indians? We must, on this occasion, Use Every Stratagem in our power to Reduce them."

Colonial Germ Warfare The Colonial Williamsburg Official History Citizenship Site

And another teachable moment!

1. First let's explain why the folks at Williamsburg would post this fabrication:

"O'Sullivan's First Law (a.k.a. O'Sullivan's Law), paraphrased by George Will as stating that any institution that is not libertarian and classically liberal will, over time, become collectivist and statist. O'Sullivan's First Law: All organizations that are not actually right-wing will over time become left-wing. I cite as supporting evidence the ACLU, the Ford Foundation, and the Episcopal Church. The reason is, of course, that people who staff such bodies tend to be the sort who don't like private profit, business, making money, the current organization of society, and, by extension, the Western world. At which point Michels's Iron Law of Oligarchy takes over — and the rest follows."
http://old.nationalreview.com/flashback/flashback-jos062603.asp


2. Now for the original tall tale itself:

a. "According to historian Francis Parkman, Amherst first raised the possibility of giving the Indians infected blankets in a letter to Colonel Henry Bouquet, who would lead reinforcements to Fort Pitt. No copy of this letter has come to light, but we do know that Bouquet discussed the matter in a postscript to a letter to Amherst on July 13, 1763.
We don't know if Bouquet actually put the plan into effect, or if so with what result. We do know that a supply of smallpox-infected blankets was available, since the disease had broken out at Fort Pitt some weeks previously. We also know that the following spring smallpox was reported to be raging among the Indians in the vicinity."
The Straight Dope Did whites ever give Native Americans blankets infected with smallpox

"No copy of this letter has come to light,..."
So....as much evidence as there is that Jefferson had children with Sally Hemings.
Liberal bed time stories.

3. There is the often repeated story of Lord Jeffrey Amherst ordering the distribution of smallpox-infected blankets to the Indians, as an example of ‘germ warfare’ used by Europeans.The story is not documented, except as a ‘possibility.’ See the study of Professor d’Errico:

Historian Francis Parkman, in his bookThe Conspiracy of Pontiac and the Indian War after the Conquest of Canada[Boston: Little, Brown, 1886]refers to a postscript in an earlier letter from Amherst to Bouquet wondering whether smallpox could not be spread among the Indians:

“Could it not be contrived to send theSmall Poxamong those disaffected tribes of Indians? We must on this occasion use every stratagem in our power to reduce them”. [Vol. II, p. 39 (6th edition)]

I have not found this letter,but there is a letter from Bouquet to Amherst, dated 23 June 1763, three weeks before the discussion of blankets to the Indians, stating that Captain Ecuyer at Fort Pitt (to which Bouquet would be heading with reinforcements) has reported smallpox in the Fort. This indicates at least that the writers knew the plan could be carried out.

It is curious that the specific plans to spread smallpox were relegated to postscripts.

"Some people have doubted these stories; other people, believing the stories, nevertheless assert that the infected blankets were not intentionally distributed to the Indians, or that Lord Jeff himself is not to blame for the germ warfare tactic."
Amherst and Smallpox


See....don't you wish you had an education, so you wouldn't wind up with your foot in your mouth, as you just did?

 

[PoliticalChic]

How Liberals Use Science

We use science the way you use dogma and propaganda, to helps us decide what to think...

Bogus.

1. There is a particular variety of Liberal, known as the Progressive. These are the ‘true believers.’ They buy a ‘Terra Pass’ sticker for their car to offset the car’s carbon emissions. They know they are morally superior to everyone who disagrees with them, and based on that sense, have waged a largely successful smear campaign against conservatives. And, of course, they are the ‘reliable Democrat voter.’
2. If one had to select a moment in time when progressivism lurched toward the darkside, one might select its embrace of eugenics, the racist pseudoscience that provided Adolf Hitler as a dance partner.
3. But, the movement arose from the dead in the 1960’s, with the publication of Rachel Carson’s “Silent Spring.” From that moment, progressives embraced radical environmentalism and other visions of natural utopia. Based on anecdotal evidence and dubious statistics coupled with heaping doses of paranoia, but very little science, it gave birth to the full-blown Progressive!
   1. Carson’s book was dismissed in ‘Science’ magazine as a “prosecuting attorney’s impassioned plea for action,” not a book based on scientific data. I.L.Baldwin, “Chemicals and Pests,” Science, September 28, 1962, p.1042-1043.
4. The ‘60’s saw lots of Progressives with lots of causes: Ralph Nader, car safety; the anti-nuclear movement; Paul Ehrlich’s “Population Bomb” infused progressive believers in neo-Malthusian ecology; Obama’s ‘Science Czar,’ John Holdren, wrote a book with Ehrlich that endorsed forced sterilization and mandatory abortion. Ehrlich, Ehrlich, and Holdren, “Ecoscience: Population Resources, Environment,” p. 786-787, 837.
   1. The key characteristic is the lack of emphasis on objective fact, and the focus on legislating ideology. And, of course, fighting anything and anyone who disagreed with their cherished ideas. Behold the modern Progressive: unscientific while claiming the mantle of modernity, denizens of a world where science is replaced by feel-good fallacies. Berezow and Campbell, “Science Left Behind,” p. 16.

 

[PoliticalChic]

And Hitler was damn sure no liberal...

Depends on your defintion and perhaps the country.

In a very broad definition and sense, Conservative means preserving the current state of the country and Liberalism is moving away?

Now if that is anywhere close to the definition, did or did not Hitler support the ruling parties? Parties that were mostly Socialists, Christian Socialists? No, Hitler did not he he opposed the ruling parties thus he was a Liberal.

Since Hitler's view was for strict government regulation over business, nationalization of the banks, gun control and health care, thus Hitler was a liberal.

What you might consider conservative is Hitler's use of Patriotism and pride of the Aryan nation. But if you do then you have to explain liberals telling us that they are just as patriotic and proud, except Michelle of course.

Hitler used barter as a means of economic success...is that liberal? Socialist or conservative?

Did you mention Hitler's economic policies?

1. The National Socialists hailed Franklin Roosevelt's ‘relief measures’ in ways you will recognize:
   1. May 11, 1933, the Nazi newspaper Volkischer Beobachter, (People’s Observer): “Roosevelt’s Dictatorial Recovery Measures.”
   2. And on January 17, 1934, “We, too, as German National Socialists are looking toward America…” and “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” comparable to Hitler’s own dictatorial ‘Fuhrerprinzip.’
   3. And “[Roosevelt], too demands that collective good be put before individual self-interest. Many passages in his book ‘Looking Forward’ could have been written by a National Socialist….one can assume that he feels considerable affinity with the National Socialist philosophy.”
   4. The paper also refers to “…the fictional appearance of democracy.”
2. In 1938, American ambassador Hugh R. Wilson reported to FDR his conversations with Hitler: “Hitler then said that he had watched with interest the methods which you, Mr. President, have been attempting to adopt for the United States…. I added that you were very much interested in certain phases of the sociological effort, notably for the youth and workmen, which is being made in Germany…” cited in “Franklin D. Roosevelt and Foreign Affairs,” vol.2, p. 27.

When do you think the left will accuse FDR of being one of those who were actually conservatives back then?

He was socially conservative but liberal in politics...

Did you manage to discuss same with the Japanese he put in internment camps?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Who are the liberals supporting mandatory sterilization today?

It's called abortion

So that is forced by the state?

Barack Hussein Obama (peace by on him) selected John Holdren as his 'science czar,' and Holdren endorsed exactly that.

So....we have "liberals supporting mandatory sterilization today."

 

[Moonglow]

One can easily say that FDR's Eugenic Tuskegee Experiments and Planned Parenthood were huge influences on Mengele and the Nazis.

I wonder if Mengele ever corresponded directly with Margaret Sanger Singer and FDR?

It was nothing like giving Indians small pocks infested blankets...

Just to keep the discussion real:

Dissent to the biological weapon theory[edit] Native American disease and epidemics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
There is scholarly dissent to the theory that the outbreaks of smallpox may have been by the intentional spreading of disease, for example the allegations of smallpox-infested blankets being intentionally given to Native Americans in 1763 at the Siege of Fort Pitt.[10] The outbreaks that occurred specifically in this region may have resulted from sporadic cases already occurring amongst Indians rather than from this scenario.[9] Historians also say that though blankets containing smallpox may have been distributed to Native Americans by the Europeans, they may have been given with good will and intentions, instead of for the purpose of disseminating disease. Additionally, scholars such as Gregory Dowd, are of the opinion that disease was spread by Native Americans returning from battling infected Europeans. Therefore it may have been carried by Native Americans to their own people and spread.[11] Europeans lack of understanding of basic germ theory until proven by Pasteur in 1865, can preclude a thoughtful and systematic use of infected blankets as a weapon.

Actual quotes from actual people:

During Pontiac's uprising in 1763, the Indians besieged Fort Pitt. They burned nearby houses, forcing the inhabitants to take refuge in the well-protected fort. The British officer in charge, Captain Simeon Ecuyer, reported to Colonel Henry Bouquet in Philadelphia that he feared the crowded conditions would result in disease. Smallpox had already broken out. On June 24, 1763, William Trent, a local trader, recorded in his journal that two Indian chiefs had visited the fort, urging the British to abandon the fight, but the British refused.

Instead, when the Indians were ready to leave, Trent wrote: "Out of our regard for them, we gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect."

Sir Jeffery Amherst, commander of British forces in North America, wrote July 7, 1763, probably unaware of the events at Fort Pitt:

"Could it not be contrived to Send the Small Pox among those Disaffected Tribes of Indians? We must, on this occasion, Use Every Stratagem in our power to Reduce them."

Colonial Germ Warfare The Colonial Williamsburg Official History Citizenship Site

And another teachable moment!

1. First let's explain why the folks at Williamsburg would post this fabrication:

"O'Sullivan's First Law (a.k.a. O'Sullivan's Law), paraphrased by George Will as stating that any institution that is not libertarian and classically liberal will, over time, become collectivist and statist. O'Sullivan's First Law: All organizations that are not actually right-wing will over time become left-wing. I cite as supporting evidence the ACLU, the Ford Foundation, and the Episcopal Church. The reason is, of course, that people who staff such bodies tend to be the sort who don't like private profit, business, making money, the current organization of society, and, by extension, the Western world. At which point Michels's Iron Law of Oligarchy takes over — and the rest follows."
http://old.nationalreview.com/flashback/flashback-jos062603.asp


2. Now for the original tall tale itself:

a. "According to historian Francis Parkman, Amherst first raised the possibility of giving the Indians infected blankets in a letter to Colonel Henry Bouquet, who would lead reinforcements to Fort Pitt. No copy of this letter has come to light, but we do know that Bouquet discussed the matter in a postscript to a letter to Amherst on July 13, 1763.
We don't know if Bouquet actually put the plan into effect, or if so with what result. We do know that a supply of smallpox-infected blankets was available, since the disease had broken out at Fort Pitt some weeks previously. We also know that the following spring smallpox was reported to be raging among the Indians in the vicinity."
The Straight Dope Did whites ever give Native Americans blankets infected with smallpox

"No copy of this letter has come to light,..."
So....as much evidence as there is that Jefferson had children with Sally Hemings.
Liberal bed time stories.

3. There is the often repeated story of Lord Jeffrey Amherst ordering the distribution of smallpox-infected blankets to the Indians, as an example of ‘germ warfare’ used by Europeans.The story is not documented, except as a ‘possibility.’ See the study of Professor d’Errico:

Historian Francis Parkman, in his bookThe Conspiracy of Pontiac and the Indian War after the Conquest of Canada[Boston: Little, Brown, 1886]refers to a postscript in an earlier letter from Amherst to Bouquet wondering whether smallpox could not be spread among the Indians:

“Could it not be contrived to send theSmall Poxamong those disaffected tribes of Indians? We must on this occasion use every stratagem in our power to reduce them”. [Vol. II, p. 39 (6th edition)]

I have not found this letter,but there is a letter from Bouquet to Amherst, dated 23 June 1763, three weeks before the discussion of blankets to the Indians, stating that Captain Ecuyer at Fort Pitt (to which Bouquet would be heading with reinforcements) has reported smallpox in the Fort. This indicates at least that the writers knew the plan could be carried out.

It is curious that the specific plans to spread smallpox were relegated to postscripts.

"Some people have doubted these stories; other people, believing the stories, nevertheless assert that the infected blankets were not intentionally distributed to the Indians, or that Lord Jeff himself is not to blame for the germ warfare tactic."
Amherst and Smallpox


See....don't you wish you had an education, so you wouldn't wind up with your foot in your mouth, as you just did?

Who are the liberals supporting mandatory sterilization today?

It's called abortion

So that is forced by the state?

Barack Hussein Obama (peace by on him) selected John Holdren as his 'science czar,' and Holdren endorsed exactly that.

So....we have "liberals supporting mandatory sterilization today."

How many sterilizations does he have on his dance card?

 

[Moonglow]

Who are the liberals supporting mandatory sterilization today?

It's called abortion

So that is forced by the state?

Barack Hussein Obama (peace by on him) selected John Holdren as his 'science czar,' and Holdren endorsed exactly that.

So....we have "liberals supporting mandatory sterilization today."

So one man supports all liberals..go on....

 

[PoliticalChic]

Depends on your defintion and perhaps the country.

In a very broad definition and sense, Conservative means preserving the current state of the country and Liberalism is moving away?

Now if that is anywhere close to the definition, did or did not Hitler support the ruling parties? Parties that were mostly Socialists, Christian Socialists? No, Hitler did not he he opposed the ruling parties thus he was a Liberal.

Since Hitler's view was for strict government regulation over business, nationalization of the banks, gun control and health care, thus Hitler was a liberal.

What you might consider conservative is Hitler's use of Patriotism and pride of the Aryan nation. But if you do then you have to explain liberals telling us that they are just as patriotic and proud, except Michelle of course.

Hitler used barter as a means of economic success...is that liberal? Socialist or conservative?

Did you mention Hitler's economic policies?

1. The National Socialists hailed Franklin Roosevelt's ‘relief measures’ in ways you will recognize:
   1. May 11, 1933, the Nazi newspaper Volkischer Beobachter, (People’s Observer): “Roosevelt’s Dictatorial Recovery Measures.”
   2. And on January 17, 1934, “We, too, as German National Socialists are looking toward America…” and “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” comparable to Hitler’s own dictatorial ‘Fuhrerprinzip.’
   3. And “[Roosevelt], too demands that collective good be put before individual self-interest. Many passages in his book ‘Looking Forward’ could have been written by a National Socialist….one can assume that he feels considerable affinity with the National Socialist philosophy.”
   4. The paper also refers to “…the fictional appearance of democracy.”
2. In 1938, American ambassador Hugh R. Wilson reported to FDR his conversations with Hitler: “Hitler then said that he had watched with interest the methods which you, Mr. President, have been attempting to adopt for the United States…. I added that you were very much interested in certain phases of the sociological effort, notably for the youth and workmen, which is being made in Germany…” cited in “Franklin D. Roosevelt and Foreign Affairs,” vol.2, p. 27.

When do you think the left will accuse FDR of being one of those who were actually conservatives back then?

What a great Limbaughesque point.

They try to claim the southern racists were conservative when the most popular Democrat today, Clinton, was and is racist....

I haven't met anyone that ain't racists or dislikes something about other cultures and races....

"...dislikes something about other cultures..."
Another teachable moment!

Here....let me inform you as to the provenance of your insipid belief:
1. The roots of postmodernism can be traced to the anthropologist Franz Boas, who, in an effort to study exotic cultures without prejudice, found it useful to take the position that no culture is superior to any other. Thus was born the idea of cultural relativity.



2. The idea spread like wildfire through the universities, catapulted by the radical impetus of the sixties. ready and willing to reject "the universality of Western norms and principles."
Bawer, "The Victim's Revolution"


a. "Cultural relativism is the principle that an individual human's beliefs and activities should be understood by others in terms of that individual's own culture. This principle was established as axiomatic in anthropological research by Franz Boas in the first few decades of the 20th century and later popularized by his students. Boas first articulated the idea in 1887: "...civilization is not something absolute, but ... is relative, and ... our ideas and conceptions are true only so far as our civilization goes."[1] but did not actually coin the term "cultural relativism."
https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/t...elativism.html

 

[CrusaderFrank]

"...Margaret Singers Eugenic program (Aka: Planned Parenthood)"

Kind of makes you wonder why Grandpa Bush was National Treasurer of Planned Parenthood, eh?

and the Father of modern Conservatism, Barry Goldwater (and his wife, who started a birth control clinic in Az) were fans of Planned Parenthood too --

In fact, Planned Parenthood even has

The Goldwater Award - Planned Parenthood Action Center

You Progressives are weird creature, just because you're all connected to the hivemind doesn't mean the rest of us are.

Peggy Goldwater advocated birth control measures (e.g. condoms) not abortions.

Also, HW Bush is one of the most evil people on the planet. I loathe the entire Bush clan but him most especially

 

[PoliticalChic]

One can easily say that FDR's Eugenic Tuskegee Experiments and Planned Parenthood were huge influences on Mengele and the Nazis.

I wonder if Mengele ever corresponded directly with Margaret Sanger Singer and FDR?

It was nothing like giving Indians small pocks infested blankets...

Just to keep the discussion real:

Dissent to the biological weapon theory[edit] Native American disease and epidemics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
There is scholarly dissent to the theory that the outbreaks of smallpox may have been by the intentional spreading of disease, for example the allegations of smallpox-infested blankets being intentionally given to Native Americans in 1763 at the Siege of Fort Pitt.[10] The outbreaks that occurred specifically in this region may have resulted from sporadic cases already occurring amongst Indians rather than from this scenario.[9] Historians also say that though blankets containing smallpox may have been distributed to Native Americans by the Europeans, they may have been given with good will and intentions, instead of for the purpose of disseminating disease. Additionally, scholars such as Gregory Dowd, are of the opinion that disease was spread by Native Americans returning from battling infected Europeans. Therefore it may have been carried by Native Americans to their own people and spread.[11] Europeans lack of understanding of basic germ theory until proven by Pasteur in 1865, can preclude a thoughtful and systematic use of infected blankets as a weapon.

Actual quotes from actual people:

During Pontiac's uprising in 1763, the Indians besieged Fort Pitt. They burned nearby houses, forcing the inhabitants to take refuge in the well-protected fort. The British officer in charge, Captain Simeon Ecuyer, reported to Colonel Henry Bouquet in Philadelphia that he feared the crowded conditions would result in disease. Smallpox had already broken out. On June 24, 1763, William Trent, a local trader, recorded in his journal that two Indian chiefs had visited the fort, urging the British to abandon the fight, but the British refused.

Instead, when the Indians were ready to leave, Trent wrote: "Out of our regard for them, we gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect."

Sir Jeffery Amherst, commander of British forces in North America, wrote July 7, 1763, probably unaware of the events at Fort Pitt:

"Could it not be contrived to Send the Small Pox among those Disaffected Tribes of Indians? We must, on this occasion, Use Every Stratagem in our power to Reduce them."

Colonial Germ Warfare The Colonial Williamsburg Official History Citizenship Site

And another teachable moment!

1. First let's explain why the folks at Williamsburg would post this fabrication:

"O'Sullivan's First Law (a.k.a. O'Sullivan's Law), paraphrased by George Will as stating that any institution that is not libertarian and classically liberal will, over time, become collectivist and statist. O'Sullivan's First Law: All organizations that are not actually right-wing will over time become left-wing. I cite as supporting evidence the ACLU, the Ford Foundation, and the Episcopal Church. The reason is, of course, that people who staff such bodies tend to be the sort who don't like private profit, business, making money, the current organization of society, and, by extension, the Western world. At which point Michels's Iron Law of Oligarchy takes over — and the rest follows."
http://old.nationalreview.com/flashback/flashback-jos062603.asp


2. Now for the original tall tale itself:

a. "According to historian Francis Parkman, Amherst first raised the possibility of giving the Indians infected blankets in a letter to Colonel Henry Bouquet, who would lead reinforcements to Fort Pitt. No copy of this letter has come to light, but we do know that Bouquet discussed the matter in a postscript to a letter to Amherst on July 13, 1763.
We don't know if Bouquet actually put the plan into effect, or if so with what result. We do know that a supply of smallpox-infected blankets was available, since the disease had broken out at Fort Pitt some weeks previously. We also know that the following spring smallpox was reported to be raging among the Indians in the vicinity."
The Straight Dope Did whites ever give Native Americans blankets infected with smallpox

"No copy of this letter has come to light,..."
So....as much evidence as there is that Jefferson had children with Sally Hemings.
Liberal bed time stories.

3. There is the often repeated story of Lord Jeffrey Amherst ordering the distribution of smallpox-infected blankets to the Indians, as an example of ‘germ warfare’ used by Europeans.The story is not documented, except as a ‘possibility.’ See the study of Professor d’Errico:

Historian Francis Parkman, in his bookThe Conspiracy of Pontiac and the Indian War after the Conquest of Canada[Boston: Little, Brown, 1886]refers to a postscript in an earlier letter from Amherst to Bouquet wondering whether smallpox could not be spread among the Indians:

“Could it not be contrived to send theSmall Poxamong those disaffected tribes of Indians? We must on this occasion use every stratagem in our power to reduce them”. [Vol. II, p. 39 (6th edition)]

I have not found this letter,but there is a letter from Bouquet to Amherst, dated 23 June 1763, three weeks before the discussion of blankets to the Indians, stating that Captain Ecuyer at Fort Pitt (to which Bouquet would be heading with reinforcements) has reported smallpox in the Fort. This indicates at least that the writers knew the plan could be carried out.

It is curious that the specific plans to spread smallpox were relegated to postscripts.

"Some people have doubted these stories; other people, believing the stories, nevertheless assert that the infected blankets were not intentionally distributed to the Indians, or that Lord Jeff himself is not to blame for the germ warfare tactic."
Amherst and Smallpox


See....don't you wish you had an education, so you wouldn't wind up with your foot in your mouth, as you just did?

Who are the liberals supporting mandatory sterilization today?

It's called abortion

So that is forced by the state?

Barack Hussein Obama (peace by on him) selected John Holdren as his 'science czar,' and Holdren endorsed exactly that.

So....we have "liberals supporting mandatory sterilization today."

How many sterilizations does he have on his dance card?

Would you vote for David Duke?
How many lynchings does he have on his 'dance card,' you dunce.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Who are the liberals supporting mandatory sterilization today?

It's called abortion

So that is forced by the state?

Barack Hussein Obama (peace by on him) selected John Holdren as his 'science czar,' and Holdren endorsed exactly that.

So....we have "liberals supporting mandatory sterilization today."

So one man supports all liberals..go on....

Pretty weak defense of the indefensible.

 

[NYcarbineer]

One can easily say that FDR's Eugenic Tuskegee Experiments and Planned Parenthood were huge influences on Mengele and the Nazis.

I wonder if Mengele ever corresponded directly with Margaret Sanger Singer and FDR?

It was nothing like giving Indians small pocks infested blankets...

Just to keep the discussion real:

Dissent to the biological weapon theory[edit] Native American disease and epidemics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
There is scholarly dissent to the theory that the outbreaks of smallpox may have been by the intentional spreading of disease, for example the allegations of smallpox-infested blankets being intentionally given to Native Americans in 1763 at the Siege of Fort Pitt.[10] The outbreaks that occurred specifically in this region may have resulted from sporadic cases already occurring amongst Indians rather than from this scenario.[9] Historians also say that though blankets containing smallpox may have been distributed to Native Americans by the Europeans, they may have been given with good will and intentions, instead of for the purpose of disseminating disease. Additionally, scholars such as Gregory Dowd, are of the opinion that disease was spread by Native Americans returning from battling infected Europeans. Therefore it may have been carried by Native Americans to their own people and spread.[11] Europeans lack of understanding of basic germ theory until proven by Pasteur in 1865, can preclude a thoughtful and systematic use of infected blankets as a weapon.

Actual quotes from actual people:

During Pontiac's uprising in 1763, the Indians besieged Fort Pitt. They burned nearby houses, forcing the inhabitants to take refuge in the well-protected fort. The British officer in charge, Captain Simeon Ecuyer, reported to Colonel Henry Bouquet in Philadelphia that he feared the crowded conditions would result in disease. Smallpox had already broken out. On June 24, 1763, William Trent, a local trader, recorded in his journal that two Indian chiefs had visited the fort, urging the British to abandon the fight, but the British refused.

Instead, when the Indians were ready to leave, Trent wrote: "Out of our regard for them, we gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect."

Sir Jeffery Amherst, commander of British forces in North America, wrote July 7, 1763, probably unaware of the events at Fort Pitt:

"Could it not be contrived to Send the Small Pox among those Disaffected Tribes of Indians? We must, on this occasion, Use Every Stratagem in our power to Reduce them."

Colonial Germ Warfare The Colonial Williamsburg Official History Citizenship Site

And another teachable moment!

1. First let's explain why the folks at Williamsburg would post this fabrication:

"O'Sullivan's First Law (a.k.a. O'Sullivan's Law), paraphrased by George Will as stating that any institution that is not libertarian and classically liberal will, over time, become collectivist and statist. O'Sullivan's First Law: All organizations that are not actually right-wing will over time become left-wing. I cite as supporting evidence the ACLU, the Ford Foundation, and the Episcopal Church. The reason is, of course, that people who staff such bodies tend to be the sort who don't like private profit, business, making money, the current organization of society, and, by extension, the Western world. At which point Michels's Iron Law of Oligarchy takes over — and the rest follows."
http://old.nationalreview.com/flashback/flashback-jos062603.asp


2. Now for the original tall tale itself:

a. "According to historian Francis Parkman, Amherst first raised the possibility of giving the Indians infected blankets in a letter to Colonel Henry Bouquet, who would lead reinforcements to Fort Pitt. No copy of this letter has come to light, but we do know that Bouquet discussed the matter in a postscript to a letter to Amherst on July 13, 1763.
We don't know if Bouquet actually put the plan into effect, or if so with what result. We do know that a supply of smallpox-infected blankets was available, since the disease had broken out at Fort Pitt some weeks previously. We also know that the following spring smallpox was reported to be raging among the Indians in the vicinity."
The Straight Dope Did whites ever give Native Americans blankets infected with smallpox

"No copy of this letter has come to light,..."
So....as much evidence as there is that Jefferson had children with Sally Hemings.
Liberal bed time stories.

3. There is the often repeated story of Lord Jeffrey Amherst ordering the distribution of smallpox-infected blankets to the Indians, as an example of ‘germ warfare’ used by Europeans.The story is not documented, except as a ‘possibility.’ See the study of Professor d’Errico:

Historian Francis Parkman, in his bookThe Conspiracy of Pontiac and the Indian War after the Conquest of Canada[Boston: Little, Brown, 1886]refers to a postscript in an earlier letter from Amherst to Bouquet wondering whether smallpox could not be spread among the Indians:

“Could it not be contrived to send theSmall Poxamong those disaffected tribes of Indians? We must on this occasion use every stratagem in our power to reduce them”. [Vol. II, p. 39 (6th edition)]

I have not found this letter,but there is a letter from Bouquet to Amherst, dated 23 June 1763, three weeks before the discussion of blankets to the Indians, stating that Captain Ecuyer at Fort Pitt (to which Bouquet would be heading with reinforcements) has reported smallpox in the Fort. This indicates at least that the writers knew the plan could be carried out.

It is curious that the specific plans to spread smallpox were relegated to postscripts.

"Some people have doubted these stories; other people, believing the stories, nevertheless assert that the infected blankets were not intentionally distributed to the Indians, or that Lord Jeff himself is not to blame for the germ warfare tactic."
Amherst and Smallpox


See....don't you wish you had an education, so you wouldn't wind up with your foot in your mouth, as you just did?

Nothing you posted even came close to disproving what I posted.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. It's been noted before that all one need do to herd Liberals in any direction is the phrase "studies show...."
Seems that this is the overcompensation by the less intelligent, yearning to be able to claim that science backs up their beliefs.

Let's take the Progressive/socialist love for eugenics.



2. In the novel "Ceremony of Innocence," BBC far east expert Humphrey Hawksley provides a reminder of the Progressive/socialist policies that led to the atrocities of the Holocaust.

Hawksley give a sense of the motives, and the aims, of the eugenics movement. Here, a few passages from the book:

"...Harry H. Laughlin, superintendent of the Eugenics Records Office, USA.

'He was the right-hand man for Albert Johnson, head of the House Committee on Immigration and Naturalization,...who created a politically acceptable environment to stop defective immigrants coming into your country, mainly from Eastern and Southern Europe, the Balkans and Russia...

The bill was passed after Laughlin cited IQ and prison statistics....these immigrants were the dregs of humanity, mentally deficient and unable to assimilate....It was a perfect combination of science and politics.


...defining what a human being is....that a human being can be genetically altered animal which possesses the ability to reason, argue facts, arrive at a conclusion and so on."

The character speaking goes on to place the blame for eugenics just where it belongs:

"....the ideas all came from [America]. You were the pioneers in this science until Germany damaged it irrevocably with the Holocaust....We've devised a universal IQ test which we use on children of all races....so if we use [the ability to reason, argue facts, arrive at a conclusion and so on] we are blurring the line between human and animal life.

I know, I know. We are in a battle between religion and science."
p. 232-234.


Everything Hawksley has his character say is true.




3. And Hawkley spoke the truth when he had the character say " We are in a battle between religion and science."
Here, Oliver Wendell Holmes for Progressive science, and Pierce Butler for religion:

a. The most revered of liberal icons, Oliver Wendell Holmes, concurred with eugenics, to the extent that he attempted to write it into the Constitution. In 1927, a young unwed mother named Carrie Buck was sterilized against her will by order of the Supreme Court, decision (Buck v. Bell) written by Oliver Wendell Holmes, who said : ”The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes.” It turned out that she was not retarded, as the state had contended. Based on the Buck Decision, more than 60 thousand were operated on across the U.S. as late as the 1970’s. And the opinion was adopted in Germany, where, within a year, some 56 thousand German ‘patients’ had been sterilized.

b. Everyone is aware of the Liberal/Progressive distain for religion. The only vote against the state, in an 8-1 decision was the archconservative and only Catholic on the court, Pierce Butler. “Butler was a Roman Catholic and a Democrat, but was also, most importantly, a political conservative.” Pierce Butler

and there is PC's list of studies that point her in that direction ... LMAO

Liberal much PC ?

Why are your posts so inarticulate?

Oh....you're a grad of government schools?

 

[PoliticalChic]

One can easily say that FDR's Eugenic Tuskegee Experiments and Planned Parenthood were huge influences on Mengele and the Nazis.

I wonder if Mengele ever corresponded directly with Margaret Sanger Singer and FDR?

It was nothing like giving Indians small pocks infested blankets...

Just to keep the discussion real:

Dissent to the biological weapon theory[edit] Native American disease and epidemics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
There is scholarly dissent to the theory that the outbreaks of smallpox may have been by the intentional spreading of disease, for example the allegations of smallpox-infested blankets being intentionally given to Native Americans in 1763 at the Siege of Fort Pitt.[10] The outbreaks that occurred specifically in this region may have resulted from sporadic cases already occurring amongst Indians rather than from this scenario.[9] Historians also say that though blankets containing smallpox may have been distributed to Native Americans by the Europeans, they may have been given with good will and intentions, instead of for the purpose of disseminating disease. Additionally, scholars such as Gregory Dowd, are of the opinion that disease was spread by Native Americans returning from battling infected Europeans. Therefore it may have been carried by Native Americans to their own people and spread.[11] Europeans lack of understanding of basic germ theory until proven by Pasteur in 1865, can preclude a thoughtful and systematic use of infected blankets as a weapon.

Actual quotes from actual people:

During Pontiac's uprising in 1763, the Indians besieged Fort Pitt. They burned nearby houses, forcing the inhabitants to take refuge in the well-protected fort. The British officer in charge, Captain Simeon Ecuyer, reported to Colonel Henry Bouquet in Philadelphia that he feared the crowded conditions would result in disease. Smallpox had already broken out. On June 24, 1763, William Trent, a local trader, recorded in his journal that two Indian chiefs had visited the fort, urging the British to abandon the fight, but the British refused.

Instead, when the Indians were ready to leave, Trent wrote: "Out of our regard for them, we gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect."

Sir Jeffery Amherst, commander of British forces in North America, wrote July 7, 1763, probably unaware of the events at Fort Pitt:

"Could it not be contrived to Send the Small Pox among those Disaffected Tribes of Indians? We must, on this occasion, Use Every Stratagem in our power to Reduce them."

Colonial Germ Warfare The Colonial Williamsburg Official History Citizenship Site

And another teachable moment!

1. First let's explain why the folks at Williamsburg would post this fabrication:

"O'Sullivan's First Law (a.k.a. O'Sullivan's Law), paraphrased by George Will as stating that any institution that is not libertarian and classically liberal will, over time, become collectivist and statist. O'Sullivan's First Law: All organizations that are not actually right-wing will over time become left-wing. I cite as supporting evidence the ACLU, the Ford Foundation, and the Episcopal Church. The reason is, of course, that people who staff such bodies tend to be the sort who don't like private profit, business, making money, the current organization of society, and, by extension, the Western world. At which point Michels's Iron Law of Oligarchy takes over — and the rest follows."
http://old.nationalreview.com/flashback/flashback-jos062603.asp


2. Now for the original tall tale itself:

a. "According to historian Francis Parkman, Amherst first raised the possibility of giving the Indians infected blankets in a letter to Colonel Henry Bouquet, who would lead reinforcements to Fort Pitt. No copy of this letter has come to light, but we do know that Bouquet discussed the matter in a postscript to a letter to Amherst on July 13, 1763.
We don't know if Bouquet actually put the plan into effect, or if so with what result. We do know that a supply of smallpox-infected blankets was available, since the disease had broken out at Fort Pitt some weeks previously. We also know that the following spring smallpox was reported to be raging among the Indians in the vicinity."
The Straight Dope Did whites ever give Native Americans blankets infected with smallpox

"No copy of this letter has come to light,..."
So....as much evidence as there is that Jefferson had children with Sally Hemings.
Liberal bed time stories.

3. There is the often repeated story of Lord Jeffrey Amherst ordering the distribution of smallpox-infected blankets to the Indians, as an example of ‘germ warfare’ used by Europeans.The story is not documented, except as a ‘possibility.’ See the study of Professor d’Errico:

Historian Francis Parkman, in his bookThe Conspiracy of Pontiac and the Indian War after the Conquest of Canada[Boston: Little, Brown, 1886]refers to a postscript in an earlier letter from Amherst to Bouquet wondering whether smallpox could not be spread among the Indians:

“Could it not be contrived to send theSmall Poxamong those disaffected tribes of Indians? We must on this occasion use every stratagem in our power to reduce them”. [Vol. II, p. 39 (6th edition)]

I have not found this letter,but there is a letter from Bouquet to Amherst, dated 23 June 1763, three weeks before the discussion of blankets to the Indians, stating that Captain Ecuyer at Fort Pitt (to which Bouquet would be heading with reinforcements) has reported smallpox in the Fort. This indicates at least that the writers knew the plan could be carried out.

It is curious that the specific plans to spread smallpox were relegated to postscripts.

"Some people have doubted these stories; other people, believing the stories, nevertheless assert that the infected blankets were not intentionally distributed to the Indians, or that Lord Jeff himself is not to blame for the germ warfare tactic."
Amherst and Smallpox


See....don't you wish you had an education, so you wouldn't wind up with your foot in your mouth, as you just did?

Nothing you posted even came close to disproving what I posted.

Oh, look!

Your pants are on fire!

 

[PaintMyHouse]

It was nothing like giving Indians small pocks infested blankets...

Just to keep the discussion real:

Dissent to the biological weapon theory[edit] Native American disease and epidemics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
There is scholarly dissent to the theory that the outbreaks of smallpox may have been by the intentional spreading of disease, for example the allegations of smallpox-infested blankets being intentionally given to Native Americans in 1763 at the Siege of Fort Pitt.[10] The outbreaks that occurred specifically in this region may have resulted from sporadic cases already occurring amongst Indians rather than from this scenario.[9] Historians also say that though blankets containing smallpox may have been distributed to Native Americans by the Europeans, they may have been given with good will and intentions, instead of for the purpose of disseminating disease. Additionally, scholars such as Gregory Dowd, are of the opinion that disease was spread by Native Americans returning from battling infected Europeans. Therefore it may have been carried by Native Americans to their own people and spread.[11] Europeans lack of understanding of basic germ theory until proven by Pasteur in 1865, can preclude a thoughtful and systematic use of infected blankets as a weapon.

Actual quotes from actual people:

During Pontiac's uprising in 1763, the Indians besieged Fort Pitt. They burned nearby houses, forcing the inhabitants to take refuge in the well-protected fort. The British officer in charge, Captain Simeon Ecuyer, reported to Colonel Henry Bouquet in Philadelphia that he feared the crowded conditions would result in disease. Smallpox had already broken out. On June 24, 1763, William Trent, a local trader, recorded in his journal that two Indian chiefs had visited the fort, urging the British to abandon the fight, but the British refused.

Instead, when the Indians were ready to leave, Trent wrote: "Out of our regard for them, we gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect."

Sir Jeffery Amherst, commander of British forces in North America, wrote July 7, 1763, probably unaware of the events at Fort Pitt:

"Could it not be contrived to Send the Small Pox among those Disaffected Tribes of Indians? We must, on this occasion, Use Every Stratagem in our power to Reduce them."

Colonial Germ Warfare The Colonial Williamsburg Official History Citizenship Site

And another teachable moment!

1. First let's explain why the folks at Williamsburg would post this fabrication:

"O'Sullivan's First Law (a.k.a. O'Sullivan's Law), paraphrased by George Will as stating that any institution that is not libertarian and classically liberal will, over time, become collectivist and statist. O'Sullivan's First Law: All organizations that are not actually right-wing will over time become left-wing. I cite as supporting evidence the ACLU, the Ford Foundation, and the Episcopal Church. The reason is, of course, that people who staff such bodies tend to be the sort who don't like private profit, business, making money, the current organization of society, and, by extension, the Western world. At which point Michels's Iron Law of Oligarchy takes over — and the rest follows."
http://old.nationalreview.com/flashback/flashback-jos062603.asp


2. Now for the original tall tale itself:

a. "According to historian Francis Parkman, Amherst first raised the possibility of giving the Indians infected blankets in a letter to Colonel Henry Bouquet, who would lead reinforcements to Fort Pitt. No copy of this letter has come to light, but we do know that Bouquet discussed the matter in a postscript to a letter to Amherst on July 13, 1763.
We don't know if Bouquet actually put the plan into effect, or if so with what result. We do know that a supply of smallpox-infected blankets was available, since the disease had broken out at Fort Pitt some weeks previously. We also know that the following spring smallpox was reported to be raging among the Indians in the vicinity."
The Straight Dope Did whites ever give Native Americans blankets infected with smallpox

"No copy of this letter has come to light,..."
So....as much evidence as there is that Jefferson had children with Sally Hemings.
Liberal bed time stories.

3. There is the often repeated story of Lord Jeffrey Amherst ordering the distribution of smallpox-infected blankets to the Indians, as an example of ‘germ warfare’ used by Europeans.The story is not documented, except as a ‘possibility.’ See the study of Professor d’Errico:

Historian Francis Parkman, in his bookThe Conspiracy of Pontiac and the Indian War after the Conquest of Canada[Boston: Little, Brown, 1886]refers to a postscript in an earlier letter from Amherst to Bouquet wondering whether smallpox could not be spread among the Indians:

“Could it not be contrived to send theSmall Poxamong those disaffected tribes of Indians? We must on this occasion use every stratagem in our power to reduce them”. [Vol. II, p. 39 (6th edition)]

I have not found this letter,but there is a letter from Bouquet to Amherst, dated 23 June 1763, three weeks before the discussion of blankets to the Indians, stating that Captain Ecuyer at Fort Pitt (to which Bouquet would be heading with reinforcements) has reported smallpox in the Fort. This indicates at least that the writers knew the plan could be carried out.

It is curious that the specific plans to spread smallpox were relegated to postscripts.

"Some people have doubted these stories; other people, believing the stories, nevertheless assert that the infected blankets were not intentionally distributed to the Indians, or that Lord Jeff himself is not to blame for the germ warfare tactic."
Amherst and Smallpox


See....don't you wish you had an education, so you wouldn't wind up with your foot in your mouth, as you just did?

Nothing you posted even came close to disproving what I posted.

Oh, look!

Your pants are on fire!

Jesus, what are you, seven? Are you going to tell you can see his underpants next?

 

[PoliticalChic]

One can easily say that FDR's Eugenic Tuskegee Experiments and Planned Parenthood were huge influences on Mengele and the Nazis.

I wonder if Mengele ever corresponded directly with Margaret Sanger Singer and FDR?

It was nothing like giving Indians small pocks infested blankets...

Never happened.
Simply another Liberal myth.

Trail of Tears,,,never happened....

Changing the subject from "It was nothing like giving Indians small pocks infested blankets.."???

That means I win, right?

 

[NYcarbineer]

It was nothing like giving Indians small pocks infested blankets...

Just to keep the discussion real:

Dissent to the biological weapon theory[edit] Native American disease and epidemics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
There is scholarly dissent to the theory that the outbreaks of smallpox may have been by the intentional spreading of disease, for example the allegations of smallpox-infested blankets being intentionally given to Native Americans in 1763 at the Siege of Fort Pitt.[10] The outbreaks that occurred specifically in this region may have resulted from sporadic cases already occurring amongst Indians rather than from this scenario.[9] Historians also say that though blankets containing smallpox may have been distributed to Native Americans by the Europeans, they may have been given with good will and intentions, instead of for the purpose of disseminating disease. Additionally, scholars such as Gregory Dowd, are of the opinion that disease was spread by Native Americans returning from battling infected Europeans. Therefore it may have been carried by Native Americans to their own people and spread.[11] Europeans lack of understanding of basic germ theory until proven by Pasteur in 1865, can preclude a thoughtful and systematic use of infected blankets as a weapon.

Actual quotes from actual people:

During Pontiac's uprising in 1763, the Indians besieged Fort Pitt. They burned nearby houses, forcing the inhabitants to take refuge in the well-protected fort. The British officer in charge, Captain Simeon Ecuyer, reported to Colonel Henry Bouquet in Philadelphia that he feared the crowded conditions would result in disease. Smallpox had already broken out. On June 24, 1763, William Trent, a local trader, recorded in his journal that two Indian chiefs had visited the fort, urging the British to abandon the fight, but the British refused.

Instead, when the Indians were ready to leave, Trent wrote: "Out of our regard for them, we gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect."

Sir Jeffery Amherst, commander of British forces in North America, wrote July 7, 1763, probably unaware of the events at Fort Pitt:

"Could it not be contrived to Send the Small Pox among those Disaffected Tribes of Indians? We must, on this occasion, Use Every Stratagem in our power to Reduce them."

Colonial Germ Warfare The Colonial Williamsburg Official History Citizenship Site

And another teachable moment!

1. First let's explain why the folks at Williamsburg would post this fabrication:

"O'Sullivan's First Law (a.k.a. O'Sullivan's Law), paraphrased by George Will as stating that any institution that is not libertarian and classically liberal will, over time, become collectivist and statist. O'Sullivan's First Law: All organizations that are not actually right-wing will over time become left-wing. I cite as supporting evidence the ACLU, the Ford Foundation, and the Episcopal Church. The reason is, of course, that people who staff such bodies tend to be the sort who don't like private profit, business, making money, the current organization of society, and, by extension, the Western world. At which point Michels's Iron Law of Oligarchy takes over — and the rest follows."
http://old.nationalreview.com/flashback/flashback-jos062603.asp


2. Now for the original tall tale itself:

a. "According to historian Francis Parkman, Amherst first raised the possibility of giving the Indians infected blankets in a letter to Colonel Henry Bouquet, who would lead reinforcements to Fort Pitt. No copy of this letter has come to light, but we do know that Bouquet discussed the matter in a postscript to a letter to Amherst on July 13, 1763.
We don't know if Bouquet actually put the plan into effect, or if so with what result. We do know that a supply of smallpox-infected blankets was available, since the disease had broken out at Fort Pitt some weeks previously. We also know that the following spring smallpox was reported to be raging among the Indians in the vicinity."
The Straight Dope Did whites ever give Native Americans blankets infected with smallpox

"No copy of this letter has come to light,..."
So....as much evidence as there is that Jefferson had children with Sally Hemings.
Liberal bed time stories.

3. There is the often repeated story of Lord Jeffrey Amherst ordering the distribution of smallpox-infected blankets to the Indians, as an example of ‘germ warfare’ used by Europeans.The story is not documented, except as a ‘possibility.’ See the study of Professor d’Errico:

Historian Francis Parkman, in his bookThe Conspiracy of Pontiac and the Indian War after the Conquest of Canada[Boston: Little, Brown, 1886]refers to a postscript in an earlier letter from Amherst to Bouquet wondering whether smallpox could not be spread among the Indians:

“Could it not be contrived to send theSmall Poxamong those disaffected tribes of Indians? We must on this occasion use every stratagem in our power to reduce them”. [Vol. II, p. 39 (6th edition)]

I have not found this letter,but there is a letter from Bouquet to Amherst, dated 23 June 1763, three weeks before the discussion of blankets to the Indians, stating that Captain Ecuyer at Fort Pitt (to which Bouquet would be heading with reinforcements) has reported smallpox in the Fort. This indicates at least that the writers knew the plan could be carried out.

It is curious that the specific plans to spread smallpox were relegated to postscripts.

"Some people have doubted these stories; other people, believing the stories, nevertheless assert that the infected blankets were not intentionally distributed to the Indians, or that Lord Jeff himself is not to blame for the germ warfare tactic."
Amherst and Smallpox


See....don't you wish you had an education, so you wouldn't wind up with your foot in your mouth, as you just did?

Who are the liberals supporting mandatory sterilization today?

It's called abortion

So that is forced by the state?

Barack Hussein Obama (peace by on him) selected John Holdren as his 'science czar,' and Holdren endorsed exactly that.

So....we have "liberals supporting mandatory sterilization today."

How many sterilizations does he have on his dance card?

Would you vote for David Duke?
How many lynchings does he have on his 'dance card,' you dunce.

Glenn Beck got a

for claiming what you just claimed about Holdren.

I'm sure the two of you can share those pants.