How Liberals Use Science

[Moonglow]

Apparently you are a liberal if you make things up out of sail cloth.

Actually if you do as Hitler did, you are a liberal.

And you are the Pope if you don't?

What the hell do you bring in religion? I didn't even go into the Nazi love affair with the occult, another liberal trait.

They even have a 'holiday' for same....Earth Day where they worship Gaia, Mother Earth.

For the Pagans....Christians are suppose to be good stewards of Gods' Earth...

And to do that they have to worship an imaginary Mother Earth? Really? That is your argument?

Didn't you know that Christ is the Sun God and his wife Mary is the Moon goddess?

 

[Moonglow]

Who are the liberals supporting mandatory sterilization today?

It's called abortion

So that is forced by the state?

It's best not to respond to Frank, it tends to give him the idea that he might have succeeded in saying something only mildly stupid.

I am in the mood to temp fate...and play with the animals...

 

[NYcarbineer]

One can easily say that FDR's Eugenic Tuskegee Experiments and Planned Parenthood were huge influences on Mengele and the Nazis.

I wonder if Mengele ever corresponded directly with Margaret Sanger Singer and FDR?

It was nothing like giving Indians small pocks infested blankets...

Hitler’s Inspiration and Guide: The Native American Holocaust

...
As Pulitzer Prize-winning author, John Toland, notes in his book Adolf Hitler (pg. 202):

Hitler's concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and United States history. He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in South Africa and for the Indians in the wild west; and often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America's extermination—by starvation and uneven combat—of the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity.

He was very interested in the way the Indian population had rapidly declined due to epidemics and starvation when the United States government forced them to live on the reservations. He thought the American government's forced migrations of the Indians over great distances to barren reservation land was a deliberate policy of extermination. Just how much Hitler took from the American example of the destruction of the Indian nations is hard to say; however, frightening parallels can be drawn. For some time Hitler considered deporting the Jews to a large 'reservation' in the Lubin area where their numbers would be reduced through starvation and disease.

Hitler 8217 s Inspiration and Guide The Native American Holocaust Sacred Intentions Jewish Journal

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Quoting novels and what politicians did 90 years ago to try and prove that today's liberals are what? Genocidal? Eugenicists? Heartless, ammoral, science-bots?

If you actually had any credibility, this would still be one of the worst OPs I've ever read.

LOL! She's pointing out WHY you people are genocidal eugenicists... heartless, immoral and science frauds.

She's not attempting to prove it. YOU prove it... she's simply explaining why it is.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

One can easily say that FDR's Eugenic Tuskegee Experiments and Planned Parenthood were huge influences on Mengele and the Nazis.

I wonder if Mengele ever corresponded directly with Margaret Sanger Singer and FDR?

It was nothing like giving Indians small pocks infested blankets...

Hitler’s Inspiration and Guide: The Native American Holocaust

...
As Pulitzer Prize-winning author, John Toland, notes in his book Adolf Hitler (pg. 202):

Hitler's concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and United States history. He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in South Africa and for the Indians in the wild west; and often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America's extermination—by starvation and uneven combat—of the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity.

He was very interested in the way the Indian population had rapidly declined due to epidemics and starvation when the United States government forced them to live on the reservations. He thought the American government's forced migrations of the Indians over great distances to barren reservation land was a deliberate policy of extermination. Just how much Hitler took from the American example of the destruction of the Indian nations is hard to say; however, frightening parallels can be drawn. For some time Hitler considered deporting the Jews to a large 'reservation' in the Lubin area where their numbers would be reduced through starvation and disease.

Hitler 8217 s Inspiration and Guide The Native American Holocaust Sacred Intentions Jewish Journal

ROFLMNAO! Oh now isn't that precious?

So... you felt that a discussion of the Progressive internment of Injuns, was a good way to distance progressivism from Histler... a notorious progressive?

 

[Moonglow]

One can easily say that FDR's Eugenic Tuskegee Experiments and Planned Parenthood were huge influences on Mengele and the Nazis.

I wonder if Mengele ever corresponded directly with Margaret Sanger Singer and FDR?

It was nothing like giving Indians small pocks infested blankets...

Hitler’s Inspiration and Guide: The Native American Holocaust

...
As Pulitzer Prize-winning author, John Toland, notes in his book Adolf Hitler (pg. 202):

Hitler's concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and United States history. He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in South Africa and for the Indians in the wild west; and often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America's extermination—by starvation and uneven combat—of the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity.

He was very interested in the way the Indian population had rapidly declined due to epidemics and starvation when the United States government forced them to live on the reservations. He thought the American government's forced migrations of the Indians over great distances to barren reservation land was a deliberate policy of extermination. Just how much Hitler took from the American example of the destruction of the Indian nations is hard to say; however, frightening parallels can be drawn. For some time Hitler considered deporting the Jews to a large 'reservation' in the Lubin area where their numbers would be reduced through starvation and disease.

Hitler 8217 s Inspiration and Guide The Native American Holocaust Sacred Intentions Jewish Journal

ROFLMNAO! Oh now isn't that precious?

So... you felt that a discussion of the Progressive internment of Injuns, was a good way to distance progressivism from Histler... a notorious progressive?

Are you looking in a mirror when reading?

 

[Freewill]

One can easily say that FDR's Eugenic Tuskegee Experiments and Planned Parenthood were huge influences on Mengele and the Nazis.

I wonder if Mengele ever corresponded directly with Margaret Sanger Singer and FDR?

It was nothing like giving Indians small pocks infested blankets...

Just to keep the discussion real:

Dissent to the biological weapon theory[edit] Native American disease and epidemics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
There is scholarly dissent to the theory that the outbreaks of smallpox may have been by the intentional spreading of disease, for example the allegations of smallpox-infested blankets being intentionally given to Native Americans in 1763 at the Siege of Fort Pitt.[10] The outbreaks that occurred specifically in this region may have resulted from sporadic cases already occurring amongst Indians rather than from this scenario.[9] Historians also say that though blankets containing smallpox may have been distributed to Native Americans by the Europeans, they may have been given with good will and intentions, instead of for the purpose of disseminating disease. Additionally, scholars such as Gregory Dowd, are of the opinion that disease was spread by Native Americans returning from battling infected Europeans. Therefore it may have been carried by Native Americans to their own people and spread.[11] Europeans lack of understanding of basic germ theory until proven by Pasteur in 1865, can preclude a thoughtful and systematic use of infected blankets as a weapon.

 

[NYcarbineer]

One can easily say that FDR's Eugenic Tuskegee Experiments and Planned Parenthood were huge influences on Mengele and the Nazis.

I wonder if Mengele ever corresponded directly with Margaret Sanger Singer and FDR?

It was nothing like giving Indians small pocks infested blankets...

Hitler’s Inspiration and Guide: The Native American Holocaust

...
As Pulitzer Prize-winning author, John Toland, notes in his book Adolf Hitler (pg. 202):

Hitler's concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and United States history. He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in South Africa and for the Indians in the wild west; and often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America's extermination—by starvation and uneven combat—of the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity.

He was very interested in the way the Indian population had rapidly declined due to epidemics and starvation when the United States government forced them to live on the reservations. He thought the American government's forced migrations of the Indians over great distances to barren reservation land was a deliberate policy of extermination. Just how much Hitler took from the American example of the destruction of the Indian nations is hard to say; however, frightening parallels can be drawn. For some time Hitler considered deporting the Jews to a large 'reservation' in the Lubin area where their numbers would be reduced through starvation and disease.

Hitler 8217 s Inspiration and Guide The Native American Holocaust Sacred Intentions Jewish Journal

ROFLMNAO! Oh now isn't that precious?

So... you felt that a discussion of the Progressive internment of Injuns, was a good way to distance progressivism from Histler... a notorious progressive?

Is English not your first language, or is your frustration at losing every argument you attempt on this board causing some sort of loss of coherence?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

One can easily say that FDR's Eugenic Tuskegee Experiments and Planned Parenthood were huge influences on Mengele and the Nazis.

I wonder if Mengele ever corresponded directly with Margaret Sanger Singer and FDR?

It was nothing like giving Indians small pocks infested blankets...

Hitler’s Inspiration and Guide: The Native American Holocaust

...
As Pulitzer Prize-winning author, John Toland, notes in his book Adolf Hitler (pg. 202):

Hitler's concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and United States history. He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in South Africa and for the Indians in the wild west; and often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America's extermination—by starvation and uneven combat—of the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity.

He was very interested in the way the Indian population had rapidly declined due to epidemics and starvation when the United States government forced them to live on the reservations. He thought the American government's forced migrations of the Indians over great distances to barren reservation land was a deliberate policy of extermination. Just how much Hitler took from the American example of the destruction of the Indian nations is hard to say; however, frightening parallels can be drawn. For some time Hitler considered deporting the Jews to a large 'reservation' in the Lubin area where their numbers would be reduced through starvation and disease.

Hitler 8217 s Inspiration and Guide The Native American Holocaust Sacred Intentions Jewish Journal

ROFLMNAO! Oh now isn't that precious?

So... you felt that a discussion of the Progressive internment of Injuns, was a good way to distance progressivism from Histler... a notorious progressive?

Are you looking in a mirror when reading?

Do whut?

Try again... this time see if you can join it up with a point.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

One can easily say that FDR's Eugenic Tuskegee Experiments and Planned Parenthood were huge influences on Mengele and the Nazis.

I wonder if Mengele ever corresponded directly with Margaret Sanger Singer and FDR?

It was nothing like giving Indians small pocks infested blankets...

Hitler’s Inspiration and Guide: The Native American Holocaust

...
As Pulitzer Prize-winning author, John Toland, notes in his book Adolf Hitler (pg. 202):

Hitler's concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and United States history. He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in South Africa and for the Indians in the wild west; and often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America's extermination—by starvation and uneven combat—of the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity.

He was very interested in the way the Indian population had rapidly declined due to epidemics and starvation when the United States government forced them to live on the reservations. He thought the American government's forced migrations of the Indians over great distances to barren reservation land was a deliberate policy of extermination. Just how much Hitler took from the American example of the destruction of the Indian nations is hard to say; however, frightening parallels can be drawn. For some time Hitler considered deporting the Jews to a large 'reservation' in the Lubin area where their numbers would be reduced through starvation and disease.

Hitler 8217 s Inspiration and Guide The Native American Holocaust Sacred Intentions Jewish Journal

ROFLMNAO! Oh now isn't that precious?

So... you felt that a discussion of the Progressive internment of Injuns, was a good way to distance progressivism from Histler... a notorious progressive?

Is English your first language, or is your frustration at losing every argument you attempt on this board causing some sort of loss of coherence?

You seemed to be trying to make a point, without actually having to form one.

Try again... this time, consider what it is that you're specifically contesting and find a way to mix that in with your comment.

 

[Moonglow]

One can easily say that FDR's Eugenic Tuskegee Experiments and Planned Parenthood were huge influences on Mengele and the Nazis.

I wonder if Mengele ever corresponded directly with Margaret Sanger Singer and FDR?

It was nothing like giving Indians small pocks infested blankets...

Hitler’s Inspiration and Guide: The Native American Holocaust

...
As Pulitzer Prize-winning author, John Toland, notes in his book Adolf Hitler (pg. 202):

Hitler's concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and United States history. He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in South Africa and for the Indians in the wild west; and often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America's extermination—by starvation and uneven combat—of the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity.

He was very interested in the way the Indian population had rapidly declined due to epidemics and starvation when the United States government forced them to live on the reservations. He thought the American government's forced migrations of the Indians over great distances to barren reservation land was a deliberate policy of extermination. Just how much Hitler took from the American example of the destruction of the Indian nations is hard to say; however, frightening parallels can be drawn. For some time Hitler considered deporting the Jews to a large 'reservation' in the Lubin area where their numbers would be reduced through starvation and disease.

Hitler 8217 s Inspiration and Guide The Native American Holocaust Sacred Intentions Jewish Journal

ROFLMNAO! Oh now isn't that precious?

So... you felt that a discussion of the Progressive internment of Injuns, was a good way to distance progressivism from Histler... a notorious progressive?

Are you looking in a mirror when reading?

Do whut?

Try again... this time see if you can join it up with a point.

A nod is a good as a wink to a blind bat....

 

[Freewill]

And Hitler was damn sure no liberal...

Depends on your defintion and perhaps the country.

In a very broad definition and sense, Conservative means preserving the current state of the country and Liberalism is moving away?

Now if that is anywhere close to the definition, did or did not Hitler support the ruling parties? Parties that were mostly Socialists, Christian Socialists? No, Hitler did not he he opposed the ruling parties thus he was a Liberal.

Since Hitler's view was for strict government regulation over business, nationalization of the banks, gun control and health care, thus Hitler was a liberal.

What you might consider conservative is Hitler's use of Patriotism and pride of the Aryan nation. But if you do then you have to explain liberals telling us that they are just as patriotic and proud, except Michelle of course.

Hitler used barter as a means of economic success...is that liberal? Socialist or conservative?

Did you mention Hitler's economic policies?

1. The National Socialists hailed Franklin Roosevelt's ‘relief measures’ in ways you will recognize:
   1. May 11, 1933, the Nazi newspaper Volkischer Beobachter, (People’s Observer): “Roosevelt’s Dictatorial Recovery Measures.”
   2. And on January 17, 1934, “We, too, as German National Socialists are looking toward America…” and “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” comparable to Hitler’s own dictatorial ‘Fuhrerprinzip.’
   3. And “[Roosevelt], too demands that collective good be put before individual self-interest. Many passages in his book ‘Looking Forward’ could have been written by a National Socialist….one can assume that he feels considerable affinity with the National Socialist philosophy.”
   4. The paper also refers to “…the fictional appearance of democracy.”
2. In 1938, American ambassador Hugh R. Wilson reported to FDR his conversations with Hitler: “Hitler then said that he had watched with interest the methods which you, Mr. President, have been attempting to adopt for the United States…. I added that you were very much interested in certain phases of the sociological effort, notably for the youth and workmen, which is being made in Germany…” cited in “Franklin D. Roosevelt and Foreign Affairs,” vol.2, p. 27.

When do you think the left will accuse FDR of being one of those who were actually conservatives back then?

What a great Limbaughesque point.

They try to claim the southern racists were conservative when the most popular Democrat today, Clinton, was and is racist....

Thanks, for the compliment!!!

BTW it only took two posts for moonglow to oblige.

 

[NYcarbineer]

One can easily say that FDR's Eugenic Tuskegee Experiments and Planned Parenthood were huge influences on Mengele and the Nazis.

I wonder if Mengele ever corresponded directly with Margaret Sanger Singer and FDR?

It was nothing like giving Indians small pocks infested blankets...

Just to keep the discussion real:

Dissent to the biological weapon theory[edit] Native American disease and epidemics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
There is scholarly dissent to the theory that the outbreaks of smallpox may have been by the intentional spreading of disease, for example the allegations of smallpox-infested blankets being intentionally given to Native Americans in 1763 at the Siege of Fort Pitt.[10] The outbreaks that occurred specifically in this region may have resulted from sporadic cases already occurring amongst Indians rather than from this scenario.[9] Historians also say that though blankets containing smallpox may have been distributed to Native Americans by the Europeans, they may have been given with good will and intentions, instead of for the purpose of disseminating disease. Additionally, scholars such as Gregory Dowd, are of the opinion that disease was spread by Native Americans returning from battling infected Europeans. Therefore it may have been carried by Native Americans to their own people and spread.[11] Europeans lack of understanding of basic germ theory until proven by Pasteur in 1865, can preclude a thoughtful and systematic use of infected blankets as a weapon.

Actual quotes from actual people:

During Pontiac's uprising in 1763, the Indians besieged Fort Pitt. They burned nearby houses, forcing the inhabitants to take refuge in the well-protected fort. The British officer in charge, Captain Simeon Ecuyer, reported to Colonel Henry Bouquet in Philadelphia that he feared the crowded conditions would result in disease. Smallpox had already broken out. On June 24, 1763, William Trent, a local trader, recorded in his journal that two Indian chiefs had visited the fort, urging the British to abandon the fight, but the British refused.

Instead, when the Indians were ready to leave, Trent wrote: "Out of our regard for them, we gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect."

Sir Jeffery Amherst, commander of British forces in North America, wrote July 7, 1763, probably unaware of the events at Fort Pitt:

"Could it not be contrived to Send the Small Pox among those Disaffected Tribes of Indians? We must, on this occasion, Use Every Stratagem in our power to Reduce them."

Colonial Germ Warfare The Colonial Williamsburg Official History Citizenship Site

 

[Moonglow]

Depends on your defintion and perhaps the country.

In a very broad definition and sense, Conservative means preserving the current state of the country and Liberalism is moving away?

Now if that is anywhere close to the definition, did or did not Hitler support the ruling parties? Parties that were mostly Socialists, Christian Socialists? No, Hitler did not he he opposed the ruling parties thus he was a Liberal.

Since Hitler's view was for strict government regulation over business, nationalization of the banks, gun control and health care, thus Hitler was a liberal.

What you might consider conservative is Hitler's use of Patriotism and pride of the Aryan nation. But if you do then you have to explain liberals telling us that they are just as patriotic and proud, except Michelle of course.

Hitler used barter as a means of economic success...is that liberal? Socialist or conservative?

Did you mention Hitler's economic policies?

1. The National Socialists hailed Franklin Roosevelt's ‘relief measures’ in ways you will recognize:
   1. May 11, 1933, the Nazi newspaper Volkischer Beobachter, (People’s Observer): “Roosevelt’s Dictatorial Recovery Measures.”
   2. And on January 17, 1934, “We, too, as German National Socialists are looking toward America…” and “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” comparable to Hitler’s own dictatorial ‘Fuhrerprinzip.’
   3. And “[Roosevelt], too demands that collective good be put before individual self-interest. Many passages in his book ‘Looking Forward’ could have been written by a National Socialist….one can assume that he feels considerable affinity with the National Socialist philosophy.”
   4. The paper also refers to “…the fictional appearance of democracy.”
2. In 1938, American ambassador Hugh R. Wilson reported to FDR his conversations with Hitler: “Hitler then said that he had watched with interest the methods which you, Mr. President, have been attempting to adopt for the United States…. I added that you were very much interested in certain phases of the sociological effort, notably for the youth and workmen, which is being made in Germany…” cited in “Franklin D. Roosevelt and Foreign Affairs,” vol.2, p. 27.

When do you think the left will accuse FDR of being one of those who were actually conservatives back then?

What a great Limbaughesque point.

They try to claim the southern racists were conservative when the most popular Democrat today, Clinton, was and is racist....

Thanks, for the compliment!!!

BTW it only took two posts for moonglow to oblige.

The OP does the opposite?No false narratives there?

 

[Siete]

1. It's been noted before that all one need do to herd Liberals in any direction is the phrase "studies show...."
Seems that this is the overcompensation by the less intelligent, yearning to be able to claim that science backs up their beliefs.

Let's take the Progressive/socialist love for eugenics.



2. In the novel "Ceremony of Innocence," BBC far east expert Humphrey Hawksley provides a reminder of the Progressive/socialist policies that led to the atrocities of the Holocaust.

Hawksley give a sense of the motives, and the aims, of the eugenics movement. Here, a few passages from the book:

"...Harry H. Laughlin, superintendent of the Eugenics Records Office, USA.

'He was the right-hand man for Albert Johnson, head of the House Committee on Immigration and Naturalization,...who created a politically acceptable environment to stop defective immigrants coming into your country, mainly from Eastern and Southern Europe, the Balkans and Russia...

The bill was passed after Laughlin cited IQ and prison statistics....these immigrants were the dregs of humanity, mentally deficient and unable to assimilate....It was a perfect combination of science and politics.


...defining what a human being is....that a human being can be genetically altered animal which possesses the ability to reason, argue facts, arrive at a conclusion and so on."

The character speaking goes on to place the blame for eugenics just where it belongs:

"....the ideas all came from [America]. You were the pioneers in this science until Germany damaged it irrevocably with the Holocaust....We've devised a universal IQ test which we use on children of all races....so if we use [the ability to reason, argue facts, arrive at a conclusion and so on] we are blurring the line between human and animal life.

I know, I know. We are in a battle between religion and science."
p. 232-234.


Everything Hawksley has his character say is true.




3. And Hawkley spoke the truth when he had the character say " We are in a battle between religion and science."
Here, Oliver Wendell Holmes for Progressive science, and Pierce Butler for religion:

a. The most revered of liberal icons, Oliver Wendell Holmes, concurred with eugenics, to the extent that he attempted to write it into the Constitution. In 1927, a young unwed mother named Carrie Buck was sterilized against her will by order of the Supreme Court, decision (Buck v. Bell) written by Oliver Wendell Holmes, who said : ”The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes.” It turned out that she was not retarded, as the state had contended. Based on the Buck Decision, more than 60 thousand were operated on across the U.S. as late as the 1970’s. And the opinion was adopted in Germany, where, within a year, some 56 thousand German ‘patients’ had been sterilized.

b. Everyone is aware of the Liberal/Progressive distain for religion. The only vote against the state, in an 8-1 decision was the archconservative and only Catholic on the court, Pierce Butler. “Butler was a Roman Catholic and a Democrat, but was also, most importantly, a political conservative.” Pierce Butler

and there is PC's list of studies that point her in that direction ... LMAO

Liberal much PC ?

 

[Moonglow]

We read constantly from the right about how many people in the US should not be allowed to have children...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

FDR Tuskegee experiment and Margaret Singers Eugenic program (Aka: Planned Parenthood) started the same time Hitler and the Nazis were coming onto the scene, but you Progs say it was Lizzy Warren's ancestors forcing the Cherokees onto the Trail of Tears that was the bigger influence.

Hmmmkay

 

[Moonglow]

How rights should be taken away, if you get welfare.....

 

[Moonglow]

FDR Tuskegee experiment and Margaret Singers Eugenic program (Aka: Planned Parenthood) started the same time Hitler and the Nazis were coming onto the scene, but you Progs say it was Lizzy Warren's ancestors forcing the Cherokees onto the Trail of Tears that was the bigger influence.

Hmmmkay

No, we are saying that all hands are dirty, all sides........the OP is yet again, will exonerate their side and defame the other....

 

[PoliticalChic]

One can easily say that FDR's Eugenic Tuskegee Experiments and Planned Parenthood were huge influences on Mengele and the Nazis.

I wonder if Mengele ever corresponded directly with Margaret Sanger Singer and FDR?

It was nothing like giving Indians small pocks infested blankets...

Never happened.
Simply another Liberal myth.