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But the lefties make up for some of that difference with sheer quantity of posts.My guess would be 70% right wing, 30% left wing!
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But the lefties make up for some of that difference with sheer quantity of posts.My guess would be 70% right wing, 30% left wing!
Ray, you missed my point and my question, I didnāt ask whether you were proud to be call yourself a conservative, you obviously are and thatās great. However the point was, how does the rank and file membership of the two parties see THEMSELVES with respect to āmoderateā, do they consider themselves more to the extreme or more to the center? Iām guessing the average partisan tends toward the view him/her self more toward the center, i.e. Iām moderate āconservativeā , Iām a moderate āliberalā, āprogressiveā or whatever the heck those on the left are calling themselves these days.Ray, You donāt believe that there are many āmoderateā Democrats?
Honestly as a libertarian, itās hard to tell what āmoderateā means anymore, itās become a pretty murky term to nail down, however I suspect that most partisans from either party consider themselves āmoderateā in one way or another. The Overton Window has moved so much from where it was just a decade ago, that what we once believed as āconservativeā core principles or āliberalā core principles rarely seem to apply anymore.
Totally wrong. Conservatives are proud to be conservative and call themselves that. Even I don't support every Republican issue, but because I support most of them, I consider myself a right-wing conservative. It's the left that won't admit they are left, so they call themselves moderates when they don't support the entire Communist agenda.
I donāt disagree, but isnāt a āmoderateā determined by the middle ground of public opinion at any given point in time (aka āThe Overton Windowā) ? Where do Democrats and Republicans fall with respect to that?Ray, You donāt believe that there are many āmoderateā Democrats?You will quickly find 80 percent of the lefties all claim to be moderates.
You see them all over this forum. They claim they are moderates, who just happen to side with the Democrats over 90% of the time.
Honestly as a libertarian, itās hard to tell what āmoderateā means anymore, itās become a pretty murky term to nail down, however I suspect that most partisans from either party consider themselves āmoderateā in one way or another. The Overton Window has moved so much from where it was just a decade ago, that what we once believed as āconservativeā core principles or āliberalā core principles rarely seem to apply anymore.
The Democrats "official" platform has moved WAY further to the left over the past decade than the GOP has moved in any direction. Any Democrat who has views similar to a Joe Lieberman-type moderate is radically out of sync with the current Democrat platform, which is on a trajectory to move even further left based on its young leadership.
Is Donald Trump āfar rightā with respect to the center of public opinion today?
Is Joe Biden āfar leftā with respect to the center of public opinion today?
Opinion polls seem to indicate that weāre by in large a ācenter rightā country, but itās relative, the ācenterā seems to have moved to the left in the last few decades.
But users like easy65 seem to start more threads than all liberals combined in one day!But the lefties make up for some of that difference with sheer quantity of posts.My guess would be 70% right wing, 30% left wing!
Ray, you missed my point and my question, I didnāt ask whether you were proud to be call yourself a conservative, you obviously are and thatās great. However the point was, how does the rank and file membership of the two parties see THEMSELVES with respect to āmoderateā, do they consider themselves more to the extreme or more to the center? Iām guessing the average partisan tends toward the view him/her self more toward the center, i.e. Iām moderate āconservativeā , Iām a moderate āliberalā, āprogressiveā or whatever the heck those on the left are calling themselves these days.
95% trolls with no life, who literally spend all day here.
5% just regular folks.
Thatās a great point, it does seem that our Congress Critters in the aggregate are WAY out of touch with the average Americans sense of priorities, which seems odd in our highly focused grouped political system.I donāt disagree, but isnāt a āmoderateā determined by the middle ground of public opinion at any given point in time (aka āThe Overton Windowā) ? Where do Democrats and Republicans fall with respect to that?Ray, You donāt believe that there are many āmoderateā Democrats?You will quickly find 80 percent of the lefties all claim to be moderates.
You see them all over this forum. They claim they are moderates, who just happen to side with the Democrats over 90% of the time.
Honestly as a libertarian, itās hard to tell what āmoderateā means anymore, itās become a pretty murky term to nail down, however I suspect that most partisans from either party consider themselves āmoderateā in one way or another. The Overton Window has moved so much from where it was just a decade ago, that what we once believed as āconservativeā core principles or āliberalā core principles rarely seem to apply anymore.
The Democrats "official" platform has moved WAY further to the left over the past decade than the GOP has moved in any direction. Any Democrat who has views similar to a Joe Lieberman-type moderate is radically out of sync with the current Democrat platform, which is on a trajectory to move even further left based on its young leadership.
Is Donald Trump āfar rightā with respect to the center of public opinion today?
Is Joe Biden āfar leftā with respect to the center of public opinion today?
Opinion polls seem to indicate that weāre by in large a ācenter rightā country, but itās relative, the ācenterā seems to have moved to the left in the last few decades.
Without question the center has moved left in some respects. The way I'm looking at left and right is based on the definitions in political theory, applied to the policies being advanced by each party's elected leaders. That said, if you look at any poll on the approval rating of Congress, it's pretty clear there's a big disparity between the center of public opinion and the things our elected leaders are prioritizing
Cool, but again, can one also be a Democrat and a āmoderateā? After all āmoderateā isnāt a partisan label, itās a relative measurement of distance from the center of public opinion.Ray, you missed my point and my question, I didnāt ask whether you were proud to be call yourself a conservative, you obviously are and thatās great. However the point was, how does the rank and file membership of the two parties see THEMSELVES with respect to āmoderateā, do they consider themselves more to the extreme or more to the center? Iām guessing the average partisan tends toward the view him/her self more toward the center, i.e. Iām moderate āconservativeā , Iām a moderate āliberalā, āprogressiveā or whatever the heck those on the left are calling themselves these days.
I'm actually 85% conservative and about 15% Libertarian, but I don't consider myself a libertarian because of their views of our military and illegal drug usage. I do like their less government stance as I am a less government conservative. I am not a moderate Republican either simply because I don't stand behind each and every one of their issues.
A moderate is a person who holds a political position around 50% on each side. The problem with the question in the OP is that we have people here who call themselves moderate when they mostly side with Democrat favored issues, so we will never really know who is left, right or moderate here.
Thatās a great point, it does seem that our Congress Critters in the aggregate are WAY out of touch with the average Americans sense of priorities, which seems odd in our highly focused grouped political system.I donāt disagree, but isnāt a āmoderateā determined by the middle ground of public opinion at any given point in time (aka āThe Overton Windowā) ? Where do Democrats and Republicans fall with respect to that?Ray, You donāt believe that there are many āmoderateā Democrats?You will quickly find 80 percent of the lefties all claim to be moderates.
You see them all over this forum. They claim they are moderates, who just happen to side with the Democrats over 90% of the time.
Honestly as a libertarian, itās hard to tell what āmoderateā means anymore, itās become a pretty murky term to nail down, however I suspect that most partisans from either party consider themselves āmoderateā in one way or another. The Overton Window has moved so much from where it was just a decade ago, that what we once believed as āconservativeā core principles or āliberalā core principles rarely seem to apply anymore.
The Democrats "official" platform has moved WAY further to the left over the past decade than the GOP has moved in any direction. Any Democrat who has views similar to a Joe Lieberman-type moderate is radically out of sync with the current Democrat platform, which is on a trajectory to move even further left based on its young leadership.
Is Donald Trump āfar rightā with respect to the center of public opinion today?
Is Joe Biden āfar leftā with respect to the center of public opinion today?
Opinion polls seem to indicate that weāre by in large a ācenter rightā country, but itās relative, the ācenterā seems to have moved to the left in the last few decades.
Without question the center has moved left in some respects. The way I'm looking at left and right is based on the definitions in political theory, applied to the policies being advanced by each party's elected leaders. That said, if you look at any poll on the approval rating of Congress, it's pretty clear there's a big disparity between the center of public opinion and the things our elected leaders are prioritizing
Dunno, but then again I have no idea how partisans justify all the duplicity and corruption going on in the two political crime families and why anybody in their right mind would literally worship politicians in the way many partisans do.NightFox Moderate people couldn't justify the communist and corrupt behavior of the current dem administration. How could they justify Bribe taking and senility?
Then how do these dickweeds keep getting elected using completely focused grouped, empty arguments? Apparently those D.C. focus groups are pretty good at telling politicians what the people outside of D.C. want to hear.Thatās a great point, it does seem that our Congress Critters in the aggregate are WAY out of touch with the average Americans sense of priorities, which seems odd in our highly focused grouped political system.I donāt disagree, but isnāt a āmoderateā determined by the middle ground of public opinion at any given point in time (aka āThe Overton Windowā) ? Where do Democrats and Republicans fall with respect to that?Ray, You donāt believe that there are many āmoderateā Democrats?You will quickly find 80 percent of the lefties all claim to be moderates.
You see them all over this forum. They claim they are moderates, who just happen to side with the Democrats over 90% of the time.
Honestly as a libertarian, itās hard to tell what āmoderateā means anymore, itās become a pretty murky term to nail down, however I suspect that most partisans from either party consider themselves āmoderateā in one way or another. The Overton Window has moved so much from where it was just a decade ago, that what we once believed as āconservativeā core principles or āliberalā core principles rarely seem to apply anymore.
The Democrats "official" platform has moved WAY further to the left over the past decade than the GOP has moved in any direction. Any Democrat who has views similar to a Joe Lieberman-type moderate is radically out of sync with the current Democrat platform, which is on a trajectory to move even further left based on its young leadership.
Is Donald Trump āfar rightā with respect to the center of public opinion today?
Is Joe Biden āfar leftā with respect to the center of public opinion today?
Opinion polls seem to indicate that weāre by in large a ācenter rightā country, but itās relative, the ācenterā seems to have moved to the left in the last few decades.
Without question the center has moved left in some respects. The way I'm looking at left and right is based on the definitions in political theory, applied to the policies being advanced by each party's elected leaders. That said, if you look at any poll on the approval rating of Congress, it's pretty clear there's a big disparity between the center of public opinion and the things our elected leaders are prioritizing
Bound to happen when your pool of potential focus group participants consists of the Washington D.C. area.
Yes, like "we are going to make your healthcare affordable and you can't be turned down for a preexisting condition".Apparently those D.C. focus groups are pretty good at telling politicians what the people outside of D.C. want to hear.
in your world what is left and right wing??Just curious.
Uh-huh, tell people what they want to hear whether itās actually the truth or not, things like that, obviously the focused group bullshit line worked on you.Yes, like "we are going to make your healthcare affordable and you can't be turned down for a preexisting condition".Apparently those D.C. focus groups are pretty good at telling politicians what the people outside of D.C. want to hear.
And "we've got a plan to vaccinate everyone".
And "I won't waste over $100 million playing golf and bilking taxpayers".
Things like that.
Then how do these dickweeds keep getting elected using completely focused grouped, empty arguments? Apparently those D.C. focus groups are pretty good at telling politicians what the people outside of D.C. want to hear.Thatās a great point, it does seem that our Congress Critters in the aggregate are WAY out of touch with the average Americans sense of priorities, which seems odd in our highly focused grouped political system.I donāt disagree, but isnāt a āmoderateā determined by the middle ground of public opinion at any given point in time (aka āThe Overton Windowā) ? Where do Democrats and Republicans fall with respect to that?Ray, You donāt believe that there are many āmoderateā Democrats?You will quickly find 80 percent of the lefties all claim to be moderates.
You see them all over this forum. They claim they are moderates, who just happen to side with the Democrats over 90% of the time.
Honestly as a libertarian, itās hard to tell what āmoderateā means anymore, itās become a pretty murky term to nail down, however I suspect that most partisans from either party consider themselves āmoderateā in one way or another. The Overton Window has moved so much from where it was just a decade ago, that what we once believed as āconservativeā core principles or āliberalā core principles rarely seem to apply anymore.
The Democrats "official" platform has moved WAY further to the left over the past decade than the GOP has moved in any direction. Any Democrat who has views similar to a Joe Lieberman-type moderate is radically out of sync with the current Democrat platform, which is on a trajectory to move even further left based on its young leadership.
Is Donald Trump āfar rightā with respect to the center of public opinion today?
Is Joe Biden āfar leftā with respect to the center of public opinion today?
Opinion polls seem to indicate that weāre by in large a ācenter rightā country, but itās relative, the ācenterā seems to have moved to the left in the last few decades.
Without question the center has moved left in some respects. The way I'm looking at left and right is based on the definitions in political theory, applied to the policies being advanced by each party's elected leaders. That said, if you look at any poll on the approval rating of Congress, it's pretty clear there's a big disparity between the center of public opinion and the things our elected leaders are prioritizing
Bound to happen when your pool of potential focus group participants consists of the Washington D.C. area.