CDZ How much evidence is needed to presume guilt?

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As if you didn't know, I am referring to the accusation of sexual misconduct levied by Christine Blasey Ford against SCOTUS nominee Brett Kavanaugh. Obviously, as things stand now there is no criminal case, it's nothing more than he said she said. After 36 years. She can't remember the date the alleged attack took place, supposedly isn't even sure of the year. Doesn't remember where the event took place, or how she got there. Didn't tell anybody about it at the time, not her parents or closest friends. And the only witnesses say it never happened, except for herself. And to this day we have not yet seen the letter that was sent to Diane Feinstein and the Washington Post.

So, I'm not seeing any evidence here to support her story. Maybe it happened as she said, and maybe it didn't as he said, but are we really going to presume guilt based on nothing more than an unverifiable accusation from 36 years ago? Is that all it takes these days to disqualify somebody from a job? Ok, so the seat on the SCOTUS is not just any job cuz it's for life, although I believe it is possible to impeach a SCOTUS judge. But I am not sure that an unverifiable accusation with no supporting evidence should be enough to vote down the confirmation.

We know there are cases in the past where a woman has accused someone of sexual misconduct, and subsequent investigation has determined the charge to be a lie. Everyone should understand that such cases do some damage to the issue; when such cases reach national attention and are found out to be false then it makes it harder for most people to believe the stories that are true. In addition to that, when we see the Democrats pillorying Kavanaugh for the same thing that Bill Clinton was accused of 20 years ago and excused by the media and the Democratic Party, it has to undermine the credibility of both institutions.

Have we reached the point where a person's reputation and career can be ruined by unfounded accusations, purely for political purposes? Mrs Ford is an Anti-Trump, a true blue lib/dem. And some of them can be pretty extreme and even radical, like the guy who showed up at a GOP baseball practice and started shooting at Repubs, seriously wounding Steve Scalese. We know that both Ford and Kavanaugh and their families have received death threats and other threats of violence, the rhetoric from the Democrats may well stir up some wingnut to do something extreme. Based on nothing more than one woman's accusation of an event that may have taken place 36 years ago. This isn't the way it used to be, and it sure as hell isn't the way this country ought to be governed.
 
I don't even see a reasonable doubt here. If she was not a lib/dem and an Anti-Trumper and this had been done back in July when there was time to vet the story, then I'd be more willing to keep an open mind about it. But this is political BS, she may have been attacked, but the circumstances make it appear to be very contrived.
 
You cant presume guilt. You can only say someones accusations have merit.
Does Ford's accusation have merit?
Absolutely.
That seems like a presumption of guilt to me because her accusation does not have merit if Kavanagh isn't guilty of what she is accusing him.
I cant help what it seems like to you. If one followed your logic no one would ever get arrested or be charged with a crime unless the police saw them commit the crime.
 
You cant presume guilt. You can only say someones accusations have merit.
Does Ford's accusation have merit?

No. She doesn't have the time and date, or the place, or how she got there. Didn't tell anybody at the time either. IOW, no merit at all. Give me a corroborating witness, bragging by the perp, any kind of evidence at all. But if you got nothing, then well, you got nothing.
 
You cant presume guilt. You can only say someones accusations have merit.
Does Ford's accusation have merit?

No. She doesn't have the time and date, or the place, or how she got there. Didn't tell anybody at the time either. IOW, no merit at all. Give me a corroborating witness, bragging by the perp, any kind of evidence at all. But if you got nothing, then well, you got nothing.
Actually there was a witness to the fact that the assault had been discussed in school. Thats a lot more than nothing.
 
You cant presume guilt. You can only say someones accusations have merit.
Does Ford's accusation have merit?
Absolutely.
That seems like a presumption of guilt to me because her accusation does not have merit if Kavanagh isn't guilty of what she is accusing him.
I cant help what it seems like to you. If one followed your logic no one would ever get arrested or be charged with a crime unless the police saw them commit the crime.
I didn't think you would understand the axiomatic logic that I presented.
 
You cant presume guilt. You can only say someones accusations have merit.
Does Ford's accusation have merit?

No. She doesn't have the time and date, or the place, or how she got there. Didn't tell anybody at the time either. IOW, no merit at all. Give me a corroborating witness, bragging by the perp, any kind of evidence at all. But if you got nothing, then well, you got nothing.
Actually there was a witness to the fact that the assault had been discussed in school. Thats a lot more than nothing.
Actually that was recanted.
 
You cant presume guilt. You can only say someones accusations have merit.
Does Ford's accusation have merit?
Absolutely.
That seems like a presumption of guilt to me because her accusation does not have merit if Kavanagh isn't guilty of what she is accusing him.
I cant help what it seems like to you. If one followed your logic no one would ever get arrested or be charged with a crime unless the police saw them commit the crime.
I didn't think you would understand the axiomatic logic that I presented.
There was nothing self evident about your logic. Its actually a logical fallacy that doesnt conform to how the legal system works in this country.
 
You cant presume guilt. You can only say someones accusations have merit.
Does Ford's accusation have merit?

No. She doesn't have the time and date, or the place, or how she got there. Didn't tell anybody at the time either. IOW, no merit at all. Give me a corroborating witness, bragging by the perp, any kind of evidence at all. But if you got nothing, then well, you got nothing.
Actually there was a witness to the fact that the assault had been discussed in school. Thats a lot more than nothing.
Actually that was recanted.
I dont think you understand what recant means. Show us the recantation.
 
You cant presume guilt. You can only say someones accusations have merit.
Does Ford's accusation have merit?

No. She doesn't have the time and date, or the place, or how she got there. Didn't tell anybody at the time either. IOW, no merit at all. Give me a corroborating witness, bragging by the perp, any kind of evidence at all. But if you got nothing, then well, you got nothing.
Actually there was a witness to the fact that the assault had been discussed in school. Thats a lot more than nothing.

But yet Ford said she never told anyone...how could it have possibly been discussed at school if nobody knew?

Derpity derp
 
Does Ford's accusation have merit?
Absolutely.
That seems like a presumption of guilt to me because her accusation does not have merit if Kavanagh isn't guilty of what she is accusing him.
I cant help what it seems like to you. If one followed your logic no one would ever get arrested or be charged with a crime unless the police saw them commit the crime.
I didn't think you would understand the axiomatic logic that I presented.
There was nothing self evident about your logic. Its actually a logical fallacy that doesnt conform to how the legal system works in this country.
The is no merit to a false accusation.
 
You cant presume guilt. You can only say someones accusations have merit.
Does Ford's accusation have merit?

No. She doesn't have the time and date, or the place, or how she got there. Didn't tell anybody at the time either. IOW, no merit at all. Give me a corroborating witness, bragging by the perp, any kind of evidence at all. But if you got nothing, then well, you got nothing.
Actually there was a witness to the fact that the assault had been discussed in school. Thats a lot more than nothing.

But yet Ford said she never told anyone...how could it have possibly been discussed at school if nobody knew?

Derpity derp
I think I explained that to you before or someone with a similar lack of intelligence. Who said no one knew? Kav knew. Judge knew. They obviously bragged about it.
 
Absolutely.
That seems like a presumption of guilt to me because her accusation does not have merit if Kavanagh isn't guilty of what she is accusing him.
I cant help what it seems like to you. If one followed your logic no one would ever get arrested or be charged with a crime unless the police saw them commit the crime.
I didn't think you would understand the axiomatic logic that I presented.
There was nothing self evident about your logic. Its actually a logical fallacy that doesnt conform to how the legal system works in this country.
The is no merit to a false accusation.
I agree. However there is merit to Fords accusation.
 
You cant presume guilt. You can only say someones accusations have merit.
Does Ford's accusation have merit?

No. She doesn't have the time and date, or the place, or how she got there. Didn't tell anybody at the time either. IOW, no merit at all. Give me a corroborating witness, bragging by the perp, any kind of evidence at all. But if you got nothing, then well, you got nothing.
Actually there was a witness to the fact that the assault had been discussed in school. Thats a lot more than nothing.

But yet Ford said she never told anyone...how could it have possibly been discussed at school if nobody knew?

Derpity derp
I think I explained that to you before or someone with a similar lack of intelligence. Who said no one knew? Kav knew. Judge knew. They obviously bragged about it.
There you go presuming guilt again.
 

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