How To Start Real Change

[frigidweirdo]

I couldn't give a shit whether you think it's an opinion or whether I proposed it. Fucking hell, how pedantic can you get?

Apparently less than you.

Why is it, every time I talk to you, it descents into complete nonsense very quickly.

I'm thinking the ignore button might suit you better.

It descends into nonsense because you think you can tell me about black people and that what you say is the correct answer when it's not. I am black, I think I know the answers to problems blacks face better than you do.

What race am I?

I've asked you plenty of times and you've failed to respond.

Your problem is you think you understand things, and when you don't get your way, you respond with complete crap.

I really don't think you know the answers better simply because you're black, but you certainly know arrogance better than I do.

But why do you bother coming on here then, if you know all the answers and you're not willing to listen to other people.

Your argument is this. "Black people know the answers to the problems black people have better." If this were so, why aren't black people doing really well?

That's not to say that there aren't white people out there trying to keep black people down. However you think you're owed stuff. You think that because in the past people suffered, that you should have money thrown at you.

That is the very attitude which sees black people continue to do badly in society.

Your argument is this. "Black people know the answers to the problems black people have better." If this were so, why aren't black people doing really well?

Are you really that dumb? Seriously? First off blacks are doing better than you think. But things could be better if not for public policy.

In 2011, DEMOS did a study named “The Racial Wealth Gap, Why Policy Matters”, which discussed the racial wealth gap, the problems associated with it and solutions and outcomes if the gap did not exist. In this study DEMOS determined that the racial wealth gap was primarily driven by policy decisions.

“The U.S. racial wealth gap is substantial and is driven by public policy decisions. According to our analysis of the SIPP data, in 2011 the median white household had $111,146 in wealth holdings, compared to just $7,113 for the median Black household and $8,348 for the median Latino household. From the continuing impact of redlining on American homeownership to the retreat from desegregation in public education, public policy has shaped these disparities, leaving them impossible to overcome without racially-aware policy change.”

“Eliminating disparities in homeownership rates and returns would substantially reduce the racial wealth gap. While 73 percent of white households owned their own homes in 2011, only 47 percent of Latinos and 45 percent of Blacks were homeowners. In addition, Black and Latino homeowners saw less return in wealth on their investment in homeownership: for every $1 in wealth that accrues to median Black households as a result of homeownership, median white households accrue $1.34; meanwhile for every $1 in wealth that accrues to median Latino households as a result of homeownership, median white households accrue $1.54.”

“If public policy successfully eliminated racial disparities in homeownership rates, so that Blacks and Latinos were as likely as white households to own their homes, median Black wealth would grow $32,113 and the wealth gap between Black and white households would shrink 31 percent. Median Latino wealth would grow $29,213 and the wealth gap with white households would shrink 28 percent.”

“If public policy successfully equalized the return on homeownership, so that Blacks and Latinos saw the same financial gains as whites as a result of being homeowners, median Black wealth would grow $17,113 and the wealth gap between Black and white households would shrink 16 percent. Median Latino wealth would grow $41,652 and the wealth gap with white households would shrink 41 percent.”

“Eliminating disparities in college graduation and the return on a college degree would have a modest direct impact on the racial wealth gap. In 2011, 34 percent of whites had completed four-year college degrees compared to just 20 percent of Blacks and 13 percent of Latinos. In addition, Black and Latino college graduates saw a lower return on their degrees than white graduates: for every $1 in wealth that accrues to median Black households associated with a college degree, median white households accrue $11.49. Meanwhile for every $1 in wealth that accrues to median Latino households associated with a college degree, median white households accrue $13.33.”

“If public policy successfully eliminated racial disparities in college graduation rates, median Black wealth would grow $1,313 and the wealth gap between Black and white households would shrink 1 percent. Median Latino wealth would grow $3,528 and the wealth gap with white households would shrink 3 percent. “

“If public policy successfully equalized the return to college graduation, median Black wealth would grow $10,786 and the wealth gap between Black and white households would shrink 10 percent. Median Latino wealth would grow $5,878 and the wealth gap with white households would shrink 6 percent.”

“Eliminating disparities in income—and even more so, the wealth return on income—would substantially reduce the racial wealth gap. Yet in 2011, the median white household had an income of $50,400 a year compared to just $32,028 for Blacks and $36,840 for Latinos. Black and Latino households also see less of a return than white households on the income they earn: for every $1 in wealth that accrues to median Black households associated with a higher income, median white households accrue $4.06. Meanwhile, for every $1 in wealth that accrues to median Latino households associated with higher income, median white households accrue $5.37.”

“If public policy successfully eliminated racial disparities in income, median Black wealth would grow $11,488 and the wealth gap between Black and white households would shrink 11 percent. Median Latino wealth would grow $8,765 and the wealth gap with white households would shrink 9 percent.”

“If public policy successfully equalized the return to income, so that each additional dollar of income going to Black and Latino households was converted to wealth at the same rate as white households, median Black wealth would grow $44,963 and median Latino wealth would grow $51,552. This would shrink the wealth gap with white households by 43 and 50 percent respectively.”

But I guess this doesn't exist in your world. Blacks just don't know so we need the great white father to educate us on how to do it.

I think that after 30 plus years of working in the black community, that I might have some grasp on the problem, yes. The fact is blacks are owed money. It's not about what we think, it is about what people have shown us we are owed.

Slavery Reparations Could Cost Up to $14 Trillion, According to New Calculation

n 1865, toward the end of the Civil War, Union Army General William Tecumseh Sherman promised slaves that they’d receive 40 acres and a mule. Land was even set aside, but the promise was recanted by President Andrew Johnson. Ever since, the issue of reparations has come up many times, often fiercely debated. Although most Americans generally don’t support reparations, according to University of Connecticut researcher Thomas Craemer, it matters greatly how the question is worded, who would get reparations and in what form. For example, the idea of reparations paid in educational benefits are more popular than others, Craemer says.

On the other hand, one of the cases often made against reparations is that it'd be impractically difficult to calculate how to fairly take and give so many years after the fact. But in a new paper, published in the journal Social Science Quarterly, Craemer makes the case that there are other examples of historical reparations paid many decades later after “damages” were incurred. He also has come up with what he says is the most economically sound estimate to date of what reparations could cost: between $5.9 trillion and $14.2 trillion.

Craemer came up with those figures by tabulating how many hours all slaves—men, women and children—worked in the United States from when the country was officially established in 1776 until 1865, when slavery was officially abolished. He multiplied the amount of time they worked by average wage prices at the time, and then a compounding interest rate of 3 percent per year (more than making up for inflation). There is a range because the amount of time worked isn’t a hard figure.

Previous estimates of reparations have ranged from around $36 billion to $10 trillion (in 2009 dollars), Craemer says. Those calculations mostly looked at wealth created by slaves as opposed to services provided, resulting in underestimates. Craemer believes that “the economic assumptions underlying [his method] are more sound” than those used in previous papers.

Slavery Reparations Could Cost Up to $14 Trillion, According to New Calculation

Now you seem to miss how this nation was built and wealth was accumulated that still circulates in todays economy. You are arguing that silly argument of past suffering all while whites today live off the fruits created by a system based on slavery. Then you ignore the 100 years after slavery that impacts MY LIFE and the suffering blacks living today have faced.

You ask all of us blacks that criticize your ignorance that same stupid question about what race do we think you are and how we don't know. What difference does it make? If you are black you are just as wrong. I don't have to agree with things that I have seen are wrong just because they are your ideas. For you ignore far too many things and your belief that blacks don't want to work hard but want things given to them does not fit the reality I have seen for my entire life.

Blacks have only been able to compete in the American system for basically 53 years as "equals. Those like you are mystified as to why blacks aren't on absolute equal footing with whites after 53 years. This is where your willingness to forget your own history comes back to bite you. After 53 years of existence here, whites were still a colony dependent upon Britain. Even with no laws or policies made to deny them continuing attempts to end laws/policies providing them equal opportunity, it took whites169 years to get off the British teat.

I just put one person who likes to insult people on ignore.

I'm putting you there too.

I'm no racist. But having people like you and that Essien guy come on here day after day after day and insulting people is just not my thing.

Bye.

Enjoy the ignore list.

You're an embarrassment to your people. And I might be one of those people.

 

[sealybobo]

I really don't think you can tell me about the changes I have or haven't seen. I said these are improvements but change means things are not the same. We elected he first back president in 2008 and proceeded to disrespect him in ways no other president in history was ever disrespected. Whites got mad because a black man was president ramping up their racism then blamed Obama for their behavior That's not change. Whites are still running around believing the same shit they believed in the 1700's. Change means that does not exist.

All politicians are disrespected, Obama no more than others

Trump no more than others. He's purposely controversial. He likes fighting with the press. He distracts us with those petty fights.

Back to how to start real change. First step is to admit you whites are privileged. They had this race for $100. The teacher told the students with 2 parents in the home to take 2 steps forward. Then told the kids who's parents are paying for college to take 2 steps forward. Take 2 steps forward if you have never had to worry about where your next meal is coming from. Take 2 steps forward if you've never had your cellphone turned off.

Then the white kids who took all those steps forward realized they were given a head start. Not because of anything they did or the other kids didn't do. Simply because they were born into a better circumstance.

Typical liberal making racist assumptions.

Hey black people, what do you have to lose voting for Trump?

Trump Administration To Undo Efforts To Boost College Racial Diversity: Reports | HuffPost

You can bet Trump's Supreme Court pick is going to be anti Affirmative action.

Trump Administration To Undo Efforts To Boost College Racial Diversity

We know this already. Don't need you to tell us. Tell your progressive white friends who thought Trump won because the white working class felt left out and that democrats need to work harder to get more rural white working class votes.

I’ve been telling these poor white ignorant fucks for years that to the rich, we are all n:!;rs.

They’ve been convinced that either

A the dems are anti white
B. It’s the dems who serve the rich
C. There’s no difference between the parties
D. We are socialists
E. We don’t work
F all their problems are liberals fault

They make fun of blacks for voting 95% democratic when the truth is you’re the only demographic that gets it right

 

[IM2]

Apparently less than you.

Why is it, every time I talk to you, it descents into complete nonsense very quickly.

I'm thinking the ignore button might suit you better.

It descends into nonsense because you think you can tell me about black people and that what you say is the correct answer when it's not. I am black, I think I know the answers to problems blacks face better than you do.

What race am I?

I've asked you plenty of times and you've failed to respond.

Your problem is you think you understand things, and when you don't get your way, you respond with complete crap.

I really don't think you know the answers better simply because you're black, but you certainly know arrogance better than I do.

But why do you bother coming on here then, if you know all the answers and you're not willing to listen to other people.

Your argument is this. "Black people know the answers to the problems black people have better." If this were so, why aren't black people doing really well?

That's not to say that there aren't white people out there trying to keep black people down. However you think you're owed stuff. You think that because in the past people suffered, that you should have money thrown at you.

That is the very attitude which sees black people continue to do badly in society.

Your argument is this. "Black people know the answers to the problems black people have better." If this were so, why aren't black people doing really well?

Are you really that dumb? Seriously? First off blacks are doing better than you think. But things could be better if not for public policy.

In 2011, DEMOS did a study named “The Racial Wealth Gap, Why Policy Matters”, which discussed the racial wealth gap, the problems associated with it and solutions and outcomes if the gap did not exist. In this study DEMOS determined that the racial wealth gap was primarily driven by policy decisions.

“The U.S. racial wealth gap is substantial and is driven by public policy decisions. According to our analysis of the SIPP data, in 2011 the median white household had $111,146 in wealth holdings, compared to just $7,113 for the median Black household and $8,348 for the median Latino household. From the continuing impact of redlining on American homeownership to the retreat from desegregation in public education, public policy has shaped these disparities, leaving them impossible to overcome without racially-aware policy change.”

“Eliminating disparities in homeownership rates and returns would substantially reduce the racial wealth gap. While 73 percent of white households owned their own homes in 2011, only 47 percent of Latinos and 45 percent of Blacks were homeowners. In addition, Black and Latino homeowners saw less return in wealth on their investment in homeownership: for every $1 in wealth that accrues to median Black households as a result of homeownership, median white households accrue $1.34; meanwhile for every $1 in wealth that accrues to median Latino households as a result of homeownership, median white households accrue $1.54.”

“If public policy successfully eliminated racial disparities in homeownership rates, so that Blacks and Latinos were as likely as white households to own their homes, median Black wealth would grow $32,113 and the wealth gap between Black and white households would shrink 31 percent. Median Latino wealth would grow $29,213 and the wealth gap with white households would shrink 28 percent.”

“If public policy successfully equalized the return on homeownership, so that Blacks and Latinos saw the same financial gains as whites as a result of being homeowners, median Black wealth would grow $17,113 and the wealth gap between Black and white households would shrink 16 percent. Median Latino wealth would grow $41,652 and the wealth gap with white households would shrink 41 percent.”

“Eliminating disparities in college graduation and the return on a college degree would have a modest direct impact on the racial wealth gap. In 2011, 34 percent of whites had completed four-year college degrees compared to just 20 percent of Blacks and 13 percent of Latinos. In addition, Black and Latino college graduates saw a lower return on their degrees than white graduates: for every $1 in wealth that accrues to median Black households associated with a college degree, median white households accrue $11.49. Meanwhile for every $1 in wealth that accrues to median Latino households associated with a college degree, median white households accrue $13.33.”

“If public policy successfully eliminated racial disparities in college graduation rates, median Black wealth would grow $1,313 and the wealth gap between Black and white households would shrink 1 percent. Median Latino wealth would grow $3,528 and the wealth gap with white households would shrink 3 percent. “

“If public policy successfully equalized the return to college graduation, median Black wealth would grow $10,786 and the wealth gap between Black and white households would shrink 10 percent. Median Latino wealth would grow $5,878 and the wealth gap with white households would shrink 6 percent.”

“Eliminating disparities in income—and even more so, the wealth return on income—would substantially reduce the racial wealth gap. Yet in 2011, the median white household had an income of $50,400 a year compared to just $32,028 for Blacks and $36,840 for Latinos. Black and Latino households also see less of a return than white households on the income they earn: for every $1 in wealth that accrues to median Black households associated with a higher income, median white households accrue $4.06. Meanwhile, for every $1 in wealth that accrues to median Latino households associated with higher income, median white households accrue $5.37.”

“If public policy successfully eliminated racial disparities in income, median Black wealth would grow $11,488 and the wealth gap between Black and white households would shrink 11 percent. Median Latino wealth would grow $8,765 and the wealth gap with white households would shrink 9 percent.”

“If public policy successfully equalized the return to income, so that each additional dollar of income going to Black and Latino households was converted to wealth at the same rate as white households, median Black wealth would grow $44,963 and median Latino wealth would grow $51,552. This would shrink the wealth gap with white households by 43 and 50 percent respectively.”

But I guess this doesn't exist in your world. Blacks just don't know so we need the great white father to educate us on how to do it.

I think that after 30 plus years of working in the black community, that I might have some grasp on the problem, yes. The fact is blacks are owed money. It's not about what we think, it is about what people have shown us we are owed.

Slavery Reparations Could Cost Up to $14 Trillion, According to New Calculation

n 1865, toward the end of the Civil War, Union Army General William Tecumseh Sherman promised slaves that they’d receive 40 acres and a mule. Land was even set aside, but the promise was recanted by President Andrew Johnson. Ever since, the issue of reparations has come up many times, often fiercely debated. Although most Americans generally don’t support reparations, according to University of Connecticut researcher Thomas Craemer, it matters greatly how the question is worded, who would get reparations and in what form. For example, the idea of reparations paid in educational benefits are more popular than others, Craemer says.

On the other hand, one of the cases often made against reparations is that it'd be impractically difficult to calculate how to fairly take and give so many years after the fact. But in a new paper, published in the journal Social Science Quarterly, Craemer makes the case that there are other examples of historical reparations paid many decades later after “damages” were incurred. He also has come up with what he says is the most economically sound estimate to date of what reparations could cost: between $5.9 trillion and $14.2 trillion.

Craemer came up with those figures by tabulating how many hours all slaves—men, women and children—worked in the United States from when the country was officially established in 1776 until 1865, when slavery was officially abolished. He multiplied the amount of time they worked by average wage prices at the time, and then a compounding interest rate of 3 percent per year (more than making up for inflation). There is a range because the amount of time worked isn’t a hard figure.

Previous estimates of reparations have ranged from around $36 billion to $10 trillion (in 2009 dollars), Craemer says. Those calculations mostly looked at wealth created by slaves as opposed to services provided, resulting in underestimates. Craemer believes that “the economic assumptions underlying [his method] are more sound” than those used in previous papers.

Slavery Reparations Could Cost Up to $14 Trillion, According to New Calculation

Now you seem to miss how this nation was built and wealth was accumulated that still circulates in todays economy. You are arguing that silly argument of past suffering all while whites today live off the fruits created by a system based on slavery. Then you ignore the 100 years after slavery that impacts MY LIFE and the suffering blacks living today have faced.

You ask all of us blacks that criticize your ignorance that same stupid question about what race do we think you are and how we don't know. What difference does it make? If you are black you are just as wrong. I don't have to agree with things that I have seen are wrong just because they are your ideas. For you ignore far too many things and your belief that blacks don't want to work hard but want things given to them does not fit the reality I have seen for my entire life.

Blacks have only been able to compete in the American system for basically 53 years as "equals. Those like you are mystified as to why blacks aren't on absolute equal footing with whites after 53 years. This is where your willingness to forget your own history comes back to bite you. After 53 years of existence here, whites were still a colony dependent upon Britain. Even with no laws or policies made to deny them continuing attempts to end laws/policies providing them equal opportunity, it took whites169 years to get off the British teat.

I just put one person who likes to insult people on ignore.

I'm putting you there too.

I'm no racist. But having people like you and that Essien guy come on here day after day after day and insulting people is just not my thing.

Bye.

Enjoy the ignore list.

You're an embarrassment to your people. And I might be one of those people.

Good riddance.

Essen is returning insults. So am I. It was an insult to be told how blacks don't want to work and are only wanting to be given things. Or that we don't work because we think we are owed something. Apparently you don't understand how those are insults. I worked for 43 years to be able to retire and I have to hear this shit from some white bastard? When the other blacks here start telling me I'm an embarrassment, I'll listen to them explain why I must change. But when a white person says this because I don't bow to their opinions of what blacks need to do, especially when it's not based on fact, I will not listen.

 

[Paul Essien]

So now you're saying that not all white people are bad for blacks? Then go tell IM2, he's still quite confused.

I said that all white people are white supremacists. That's not the same as saying all white people are evil.

 

[Paul Essien]

Sigh.

No, you're just a person who seems to be a little unhinged.

What makes sense to the wolf is not going to make sense to the sheep.

You make shit up to fling at people.

Like what ?

 

[IM2]

So now you're saying that not all white people are bad for blacks? Then go tell IM2, he's still quite confused.

I said that all white people are white supremacists. That's not the same as saying all white people are evil.

Given I've never said all whts are bad for blacks maybe Taz needs to leave the fentanyl alone.

 

[Paul Essien]

Paul and IM2 are so full of shit

Point to one thing I have said that is a lie and false.

 

[IM2]

Paul and IM2 are so full of shit

No. It's just that whites like you can't take the truth. You've got what is called white fragility.

 

[TNHarley]

 

[IM2]

Paul and IM2 are so full of shit

Point to one thing I have said that is a lie and false.

He can't. And frigidweirdo had a tantrum because I didn't bow to his suggestion of what blacks need to do and then cut up his argument. Apparently to him it is not an insult to tell blacks we don't want to work hard and all we want is stuff handed to them. The race ad racism forum works for them as long as they get to fire off on blacks. So we fire back and they start crying '"why does everything have to be about race."

 

[Unkotare]

Prime Time still hasn’t given us the details of his plan to replace police firearms with double leg takedowns.

 

[Unkotare]

So now you're saying that not all white people are bad for blacks? Then go tell IM2, he's still quite confused.

I said that all white people are white supremacists. That's not the same as saying all white people are evil.

Stupid just the same.

 

[Unkotare]

Paul and IM2 are so full of shit

No. It's just that whites like you can't take the truth. You've got what is called white fragility.

All this talk of "the truth" from people with no apparent interest in it. Nothing but a lot of shit-flinging here, like most threads on the subject. How to start real change? Sure as heck not with any of the bitter, resentful, hateful, fearful, illogical bullshit on this thread.

“The truth”.

You wouldn’t know the truth if it suplexed your empty head through the sidewalk.

 

[Taz]

So now you're saying that not all white people are bad for blacks? Then go tell IM2, he's still quite confused.

I said that all white people are white supremacists. That's not the same as saying all white people are evil.

So there are good white supremacists? Sheesh, be careful what you say, you're about to have your blackness card revoked.

 

[Paul Essien]

So there are good white supremacists? Sheesh, be careful what you say, you're about to have your blackness card revoked.

There are white people who can do good (I can't think of a decent white person who I've met that I would say is good) That does not mean they are good. Serial killers can do good. That does not mean they are good. Even the devil does good

 

[Unkotare]

So there are good white supremacists? Sheesh, be careful what you say, you're about to have your blackness card revoked.

There are white people who can do good (I can't think of a decent white person who I've met that I would say is good) That does not mean they are good. Serial killers can do good. That does not mean they are good. Even the devil does good

Do you deny being a filthy racist?

 

[Paul Essien]

Do you deny being a filthy racist?

Black people have not done a thing to white people.

Black rage is justified.

But the funny thing is

• If we had a black bank, we would not red-line white areas from credit the way white banks red-line black areas from credit.
• If we had a black hospital, we would not use white people as guinea pigs in our hospitals, the same way white people use black people as guinea pigs in there hospitals.
• We would not fight harder to save a black life in black hospitals, the same way white people fight harder to save a white life in a white hospitals.
• If we had black fortune 500 company, we could not rip white ppl's resumes, the same way many white companies rip up black ppl's resumes.

We could never treat white people the way white people have treated black people

God just didn't make us that way. He just didn't give us that heart.

 

[Taz]

Do you deny being a filthy racist?

Black people have not done a thing to white people.

Black rage is justified.

But the funny thing is

• If we had a black bank, we would not red-line white areas from credit the way white banks red-line black areas from credit.
• If we had a black hospital, we would not use white people as guinea pigs in our hospitals, the same way white people use black people as guinea pigs in there hospitals.
• We would not fight harder to save a black life in black hospitals, the same way white people fight harder to save a white life in a white hospitals.
• If we had black fortune 500 company, we could not rip white ppl's resumes, the same way many white companies rip up black ppl's resumes.

We could never treat white people the way white people have treated black people

God just didn't make us that way. He just didn't give us that heart.

. Banks don't lend to losers and loser areas. Pretty normal.
. Why can't you guys build a black hospital?
. No proof.
. No proof.

"We could never treat white people the way white people have treated black people". Blacks today are harming white people all over the world.

 

[Unkotare]

Do you deny being a filthy racist?

Black people have not done a thing to white people.

....

I didn’t ask for more plagiarism. It was a yes or no question.

 

[Paul Essien]

I didn’t ask for more plagiarism. It was a yes or no question.

What's do you believe is a racist person ?