How Transgender Ideology Has Produced Large-Scale Child Abuse

[Vandalshandle]

The Dixiecrats revolt, and leave the democratic party in response to Truman's support of Civil Rights and desegregation of the armed forces, 1948;



They never came back to the democratic party. They kept marching until they joined the republicans. Every one of these states has voted republican ever since.

 

[Seawytch]

Here is what the reputable pediatric organization says.

American Academy of Pediatrics Opposes Legislation that Discriminates Against Transgender Children

The American College of Pediatricians is not a reputable pediatric organization.

The OP is trying to sell you a fake Rolex.

Puberty blockers ARE NOT approved for use in suspected trans children because of its harmful side effects and because they increase risk of cancer and stroke. Any doctor who prescribes them for that use is violating his oath.

Kids are NOT lab rats in your social experiment.

So a doctor prescribing medication that has side effects is violating his or her oath?

You obviously don't pay attention to the endless Viagra adds on TV.

 

[P@triot]

Again, Goldwater, the 1964 GOP candidate, speaking out against the Civil Rights act.

That's one person, chief. Your entire party opposed it. And I not only proved that - I proved you were completely ignorant of that reality. Typical progressive. Unaware of history. Unaware of the facts. Unaware of reality.

 

[P@triot]

The Dixiecrats revolt, and leave the democratic party in response to Truman's support of Civil Rights and desegregation of the armed forces, 1948; They never came back to the democratic party. They kept marching until they joined the republicans. Every one of these states has voted republican ever since.

Again...your propaganda simply doesn't hold up. The Republican Party lead the Civil Rights movement while the Dumbocrats vehemently opposed it. So why would the people opposed to it leave the party that also opposed it to join the party which facilitated it?

 

[P@triot]

Don't let these pesky facts get in the way of your false narrative Vandalshandle...

 

[P@triot]

What a shame. These parents should be brought up on child abuse charges. No 7 year old is capable of making a life altering decision like that.

Parents sue school for treating 7-year-old transgender daughter like a boy

 

[Tresha91203]

Here is what the reputable pediatric organization says.

American Academy of Pediatrics Opposes Legislation that Discriminates Against Transgender Children

The American College of Pediatricians is not a reputable pediatric organization.

The OP is trying to sell you a fake Rolex.

Puberty blockers ARE NOT approved for use in suspected trans children because of its harmful side effects and because they increase risk of cancer and stroke. Any doctor who prescribes them for that use is violating his oath.

Kids are NOT lab rats in your social experiment.

So a doctor prescribing medication that has side effects is violating his or her oath?

You obviously don't pay attention to the endless Viagra adds on TV.

Here is what the reputable pediatric organization says.

American Academy of Pediatrics Opposes Legislation that Discriminates Against Transgender Children

The American College of Pediatricians is not a reputable pediatric organization.

The OP is trying to sell you a fake Rolex.

Puberty blockers ARE NOT approved for use in suspected trans children because of its harmful side effects and because they increase risk of cancer and stroke. Any doctor who prescribes them for that use is violating his oath.

Kids are NOT lab rats in your social experiment.

So a doctor prescribing medication that has side effects is violating his or her oath?

You obviously don't pay attention to the endless Viagra adds on TV.

You are intentionally misrepresenting what I said to push your agenda. I will break it down for the others reading, though.

Drugs are approved for certain things. Side effects are taken into consideration. No one is going to take a nausea med that has a considerable chance of causing a stroke; however lots of stroke victims take a medicine that has a considerable chance of causing nausea.

Remember Fen-Phen? That combination was NOT approved to treat obesity despite its incredible effectiveness. Some doctors prescribed it anyway and it ate holes in people's hearts.

Puberty blockers are hormones. They significantly increase the risk of nasty things like cancer and stroke. They ARE NOT approved for 9 year olds for this reason. The benefits are NOT established and the risks ARE established and too great.

These children ARE the experiment, except no one has established human trials. The doctors are not supposed to be experimenting on humans without going through controlled channels. That goes against their oaths.

 

[Seawytch]

Here is what the reputable pediatric organization says.

American Academy of Pediatrics Opposes Legislation that Discriminates Against Transgender Children

The American College of Pediatricians is not a reputable pediatric organization.

The OP is trying to sell you a fake Rolex.

Puberty blockers ARE NOT approved for use in suspected trans children because of its harmful side effects and because they increase risk of cancer and stroke. Any doctor who prescribes them for that use is violating his oath.

Kids are NOT lab rats in your social experiment.

So a doctor prescribing medication that has side effects is violating his or her oath?

You obviously don't pay attention to the endless Viagra adds on TV.

Here is what the reputable pediatric organization says.

American Academy of Pediatrics Opposes Legislation that Discriminates Against Transgender Children

The American College of Pediatricians is not a reputable pediatric organization.

The OP is trying to sell you a fake Rolex.

Puberty blockers ARE NOT approved for use in suspected trans children because of its harmful side effects and because they increase risk of cancer and stroke. Any doctor who prescribes them for that use is violating his oath.

Kids are NOT lab rats in your social experiment.

So a doctor prescribing medication that has side effects is violating his or her oath?

You obviously don't pay attention to the endless Viagra adds on TV.

You are intentionally misrepresenting what I said to push your agenda. I will break it down for the others reading, though.

Drugs are approved for certain things. Side effects are taken into consideration. No one is going to take a nausea med that has a considerable chance of causing a stroke; however lots of stroke victims take a medicine that has a considerable chance of causing nausea.

Remember Fen-Phen? That combination was NOT approved to treat obesity despite its incredible effectiveness. Some doctors prescribed it anyway and it ate holes in people's hearts.

Puberty blockers are hormones. They significantly increase the risk of nasty things like cancer and stroke. They ARE NOT approved for 9 year olds for this reason. The benefits are NOT established and the risks ARE established and too great.

These children ARE the experiment, except no one has established human trials. The doctors are not supposed to be experimenting on humans without going through controlled channels. That goes against their oaths.

Intentionally mocking you, not misrepresenting you. Completely different.

No, they aren't hormones.

Transgender youth fact check: Blaire White is wrong – Part 1: Fundamentals

 

[Tresha91203]

Here is what the reputable pediatric organization says.

American Academy of Pediatrics Opposes Legislation that Discriminates Against Transgender Children

The American College of Pediatricians is not a reputable pediatric organization.

The OP is trying to sell you a fake Rolex.

Puberty blockers ARE NOT approved for use in suspected trans children because of its harmful side effects and because they increase risk of cancer and stroke. Any doctor who prescribes them for that use is violating his oath.

Kids are NOT lab rats in your social experiment.

So a doctor prescribing medication that has side effects is violating his or her oath?

You obviously don't pay attention to the endless Viagra adds on TV.

Here is what the reputable pediatric organization says.

American Academy of Pediatrics Opposes Legislation that Discriminates Against Transgender Children

The American College of Pediatricians is not a reputable pediatric organization.

The OP is trying to sell you a fake Rolex.

Puberty blockers ARE NOT approved for use in suspected trans children because of its harmful side effects and because they increase risk of cancer and stroke. Any doctor who prescribes them for that use is violating his oath.

Kids are NOT lab rats in your social experiment.

So a doctor prescribing medication that has side effects is violating his or her oath?

You obviously don't pay attention to the endless Viagra adds on TV.

You are intentionally misrepresenting what I said to push your agenda. I will break it down for the others reading, though.

Drugs are approved for certain things. Side effects are taken into consideration. No one is going to take a nausea med that has a considerable chance of causing a stroke; however lots of stroke victims take a medicine that has a considerable chance of causing nausea.

Remember Fen-Phen? That combination was NOT approved to treat obesity despite its incredible effectiveness. Some doctors prescribed it anyway and it ate holes in people's hearts.

Puberty blockers are hormones. They significantly increase the risk of nasty things like cancer and stroke. They ARE NOT approved for 9 year olds for this reason. The benefits are NOT established and the risks ARE established and too great.

These children ARE the experiment, except no one has established human trials. The doctors are not supposed to be experimenting on humans without going through controlled channels. That goes against their oaths.

Intentionally mocking you, not misrepresenting you. Completely different.

No, they aren't hormones.

Transgender youth fact check: Blaire White is wrong – Part 1: Fundamentals

Some are. The others are used in conjunction with hormones. Are they approved for this use. Have they been tested and have data for 5 year results, 10, 25, 50? That's important for treatments for 13 year olds, no?

"“Puberty suppression hormones prevent the development of secondary sex characteristics, arrest bone growth, decrease bone accretion, prevent full organization and maturation of the brain, and inhibit fertility,” Hruz, Mayer, and McHugh write in a Supreme Court brief filed in the Gavin Grimm case. They go on to list other possible side effects of cross-gender hormones, oral estrogen, and testosterone, including sterility, coronary disease, cardiovascular disease, elevated blood pressure, and breast cancer. "

Growing Pains: Problems with Puberty Suppression in Treating Gender Dysphoria (USA)

Long term effects have not been determined. This is the human trials ... with no approval to do so asked or given. IMO, medical experiments on children is child abuse, especially if they are unnecessary and cosmetic.

 

[Seawytch]

Here is what the reputable pediatric organization says.

American Academy of Pediatrics Opposes Legislation that Discriminates Against Transgender Children

The American College of Pediatricians is not a reputable pediatric organization.

The OP is trying to sell you a fake Rolex.

Puberty blockers ARE NOT approved for use in suspected trans children because of its harmful side effects and because they increase risk of cancer and stroke. Any doctor who prescribes them for that use is violating his oath.

Kids are NOT lab rats in your social experiment.

So a doctor prescribing medication that has side effects is violating his or her oath?

You obviously don't pay attention to the endless Viagra adds on TV.

Here is what the reputable pediatric organization says.

American Academy of Pediatrics Opposes Legislation that Discriminates Against Transgender Children

The American College of Pediatricians is not a reputable pediatric organization.

The OP is trying to sell you a fake Rolex.

Puberty blockers ARE NOT approved for use in suspected trans children because of its harmful side effects and because they increase risk of cancer and stroke. Any doctor who prescribes them for that use is violating his oath.

Kids are NOT lab rats in your social experiment.

So a doctor prescribing medication that has side effects is violating his or her oath?

You obviously don't pay attention to the endless Viagra adds on TV.

You are intentionally misrepresenting what I said to push your agenda. I will break it down for the others reading, though.

Drugs are approved for certain things. Side effects are taken into consideration. No one is going to take a nausea med that has a considerable chance of causing a stroke; however lots of stroke victims take a medicine that has a considerable chance of causing nausea.

Remember Fen-Phen? That combination was NOT approved to treat obesity despite its incredible effectiveness. Some doctors prescribed it anyway and it ate holes in people's hearts.

Puberty blockers are hormones. They significantly increase the risk of nasty things like cancer and stroke. They ARE NOT approved for 9 year olds for this reason. The benefits are NOT established and the risks ARE established and too great.

These children ARE the experiment, except no one has established human trials. The doctors are not supposed to be experimenting on humans without going through controlled channels. That goes against their oaths.

Intentionally mocking you, not misrepresenting you. Completely different.

No, they aren't hormones.

Transgender youth fact check: Blaire White is wrong – Part 1: Fundamentals

Some are. The others are used in conjunction with hormones. Are they approved for this use. Have they been tested and have data for 5 year results, 10, 25, 50? That's important for treatments for 13 year olds, no?

"“Puberty suppression hormones prevent the development of secondary sex characteristics, arrest bone growth, decrease bone accretion, prevent full organization and maturation of the brain, and inhibit fertility,” Hruz, Mayer, and McHugh write in a Supreme Court brief filed in the Gavin Grimm case. They go on to list other possible side effects of cross-gender hormones, oral estrogen, and testosterone, including sterility, coronary disease, cardiovascular disease, elevated blood pressure, and breast cancer. "

Growing Pains: Problems with Puberty Suppression in Treating Gender Dysphoria (USA)

Long term effects have not been determined. This is the human trials ... with no approval to do so asked or given. IMO, medical experiments on children is child abuse, especially if they are unnecessary and cosmetic.

Good thing trained medical professionals and parents are making the decisions, not you...IMO.

 

[P@triot]

Good thing trained medical professionals and parents are making the decisions, not you...IMO.

But they aren't. The Gaystapo is making the decisions. And that is exactly what you're celebrating.

Besides - medical "professionals" have an abysmal history my dear. In the 1950's and 1960's doctors said never to give football players water because it would cause cramping. To make things worse - after a long hot day of two-a-days without water, the players would be given a salt tablet in the locker room.

After many deaths....the dumb asses went "whoops". So spare us your "medical professional" bullshit. This all driven by the Gaystapo and their favorite weapon: homophobia.

 

[Tresha91203]

Puberty blockers ARE NOT approved for use in suspected trans children because of its harmful side effects and because they increase risk of cancer and stroke. Any doctor who prescribes them for that use is violating his oath.

Kids are NOT lab rats in your social experiment.

So a doctor prescribing medication that has side effects is violating his or her oath?

You obviously don't pay attention to the endless Viagra adds on TV.

Puberty blockers ARE NOT approved for use in suspected trans children because of its harmful side effects and because they increase risk of cancer and stroke. Any doctor who prescribes them for that use is violating his oath.

Kids are NOT lab rats in your social experiment.

So a doctor prescribing medication that has side effects is violating his or her oath?

You obviously don't pay attention to the endless Viagra adds on TV.

You are intentionally misrepresenting what I said to push your agenda. I will break it down for the others reading, though.

Drugs are approved for certain things. Side effects are taken into consideration. No one is going to take a nausea med that has a considerable chance of causing a stroke; however lots of stroke victims take a medicine that has a considerable chance of causing nausea.

Remember Fen-Phen? That combination was NOT approved to treat obesity despite its incredible effectiveness. Some doctors prescribed it anyway and it ate holes in people's hearts.

Puberty blockers are hormones. They significantly increase the risk of nasty things like cancer and stroke. They ARE NOT approved for 9 year olds for this reason. The benefits are NOT established and the risks ARE established and too great.

These children ARE the experiment, except no one has established human trials. The doctors are not supposed to be experimenting on humans without going through controlled channels. That goes against their oaths.

Intentionally mocking you, not misrepresenting you. Completely different.

No, they aren't hormones.

Transgender youth fact check: Blaire White is wrong – Part 1: Fundamentals

Some are. The others are used in conjunction with hormones. Are they approved for this use. Have they been tested and have data for 5 year results, 10, 25, 50? That's important for treatments for 13 year olds, no?

"“Puberty suppression hormones prevent the development of secondary sex characteristics, arrest bone growth, decrease bone accretion, prevent full organization and maturation of the brain, and inhibit fertility,” Hruz, Mayer, and McHugh write in a Supreme Court brief filed in the Gavin Grimm case. They go on to list other possible side effects of cross-gender hormones, oral estrogen, and testosterone, including sterility, coronary disease, cardiovascular disease, elevated blood pressure, and breast cancer. "

Growing Pains: Problems with Puberty Suppression in Treating Gender Dysphoria (USA)

Long term effects have not been determined. This is the human trials ... with no approval to do so asked or given. IMO, medical experiments on children is child abuse, especially if they are unnecessary and cosmetic.

Good thing trained medical professionals and parents are making the decisions, not you...IMO.

Like Fen-Phen? Like the practice of assigning a single sex to hermaphrodite babies? Like that?

Many people are fine with medical experiments on children.

I notice no comment or concern for the dangers. The results must be so good: lower suicide rates, lower addiction rates, lower depression ... right?

 

[Seawytch]

So a doctor prescribing medication that has side effects is violating his or her oath?

You obviously don't pay attention to the endless Viagra adds on TV.

So a doctor prescribing medication that has side effects is violating his or her oath?

You obviously don't pay attention to the endless Viagra adds on TV.

You are intentionally misrepresenting what I said to push your agenda. I will break it down for the others reading, though.

Drugs are approved for certain things. Side effects are taken into consideration. No one is going to take a nausea med that has a considerable chance of causing a stroke; however lots of stroke victims take a medicine that has a considerable chance of causing nausea.

Remember Fen-Phen? That combination was NOT approved to treat obesity despite its incredible effectiveness. Some doctors prescribed it anyway and it ate holes in people's hearts.

Puberty blockers are hormones. They significantly increase the risk of nasty things like cancer and stroke. They ARE NOT approved for 9 year olds for this reason. The benefits are NOT established and the risks ARE established and too great.

These children ARE the experiment, except no one has established human trials. The doctors are not supposed to be experimenting on humans without going through controlled channels. That goes against their oaths.

Intentionally mocking you, not misrepresenting you. Completely different.

No, they aren't hormones.

Transgender youth fact check: Blaire White is wrong – Part 1: Fundamentals

Some are. The others are used in conjunction with hormones. Are they approved for this use. Have they been tested and have data for 5 year results, 10, 25, 50? That's important for treatments for 13 year olds, no?

"“Puberty suppression hormones prevent the development of secondary sex characteristics, arrest bone growth, decrease bone accretion, prevent full organization and maturation of the brain, and inhibit fertility,” Hruz, Mayer, and McHugh write in a Supreme Court brief filed in the Gavin Grimm case. They go on to list other possible side effects of cross-gender hormones, oral estrogen, and testosterone, including sterility, coronary disease, cardiovascular disease, elevated blood pressure, and breast cancer. "

Growing Pains: Problems with Puberty Suppression in Treating Gender Dysphoria (USA)

Long term effects have not been determined. This is the human trials ... with no approval to do so asked or given. IMO, medical experiments on children is child abuse, especially if they are unnecessary and cosmetic.

Good thing trained medical professionals and parents are making the decisions, not you...IMO.

Like Fen-Phen? Like the practice of assigning a single sex to hermaphrodite babies? Like that?

Many people are fine with medical experiments on children.

I notice no comment or concern for the dangers. The results must be so good: lower suicide rates, lower addiction rates, lower depression ... right?

Nobody but the individuals themselves should be making the decision about what gender to assign innersex children.

As with most important medical decisions, in the case of transgendered children, the children, the parents and their doctor get to make the decisions, not you...thank goodness.

They will weigh the risks against the benefits and make an informed decision.

 

[Tresha91203]

You are intentionally misrepresenting what I said to push your agenda. I will break it down for the others reading, though.

Drugs are approved for certain things. Side effects are taken into consideration. No one is going to take a nausea med that has a considerable chance of causing a stroke; however lots of stroke victims take a medicine that has a considerable chance of causing nausea.

Remember Fen-Phen? That combination was NOT approved to treat obesity despite its incredible effectiveness. Some doctors prescribed it anyway and it ate holes in people's hearts.

Puberty blockers are hormones. They significantly increase the risk of nasty things like cancer and stroke. They ARE NOT approved for 9 year olds for this reason. The benefits are NOT established and the risks ARE established and too great.

These children ARE the experiment, except no one has established human trials. The doctors are not supposed to be experimenting on humans without going through controlled channels. That goes against their oaths.

Intentionally mocking you, not misrepresenting you. Completely different.

No, they aren't hormones.

Transgender youth fact check: Blaire White is wrong – Part 1: Fundamentals

Some are. The others are used in conjunction with hormones. Are they approved for this use. Have they been tested and have data for 5 year results, 10, 25, 50? That's important for treatments for 13 year olds, no?

"“Puberty suppression hormones prevent the development of secondary sex characteristics, arrest bone growth, decrease bone accretion, prevent full organization and maturation of the brain, and inhibit fertility,” Hruz, Mayer, and McHugh write in a Supreme Court brief filed in the Gavin Grimm case. They go on to list other possible side effects of cross-gender hormones, oral estrogen, and testosterone, including sterility, coronary disease, cardiovascular disease, elevated blood pressure, and breast cancer. "

Growing Pains: Problems with Puberty Suppression in Treating Gender Dysphoria (USA)

Long term effects have not been determined. This is the human trials ... with no approval to do so asked or given. IMO, medical experiments on children is child abuse, especially if they are unnecessary and cosmetic.

Good thing trained medical professionals and parents are making the decisions, not you...IMO.

Like Fen-Phen? Like the practice of assigning a single sex to hermaphrodite babies? Like that?

Many people are fine with medical experiments on children.

I notice no comment or concern for the dangers. The results must be so good: lower suicide rates, lower addiction rates, lower depression ... right?

Nobody but the individuals themselves should be making the decision about what gender to assign innersex children.

As with most important medical decisions, in the case of transgendered children, the children, the parents and their doctor get to make the decisions, not you...thank goodness.

They will weigh the risks against the benefits and make an informed decision.

So, just the individual, not the doctor and parents on intetsexed children because the doctors and parents FAILED. Doctors and parents are still good to make transgender decisions though. Parents have incomplete information and are desperate to make their children happy. No one tells them that it WILL NOT solve the problem. The suicide rate remains astronomical, depression is the norm and addiction is rife AFTER the transformation.

You put the movement above the children. The idea is worth sacrificing children. Please expand on this benefit that outweighs such high risk. WHAT BENEFIT? Their suicide rate, mental illness rate, addiction rate and domestic violence rate shows no statistical difference. Pretend that's not abusing children for the greater good (that isn't even greater, just feels like it) all you want. I won't.

 

[Seawytch]

Intentionally mocking you, not misrepresenting you. Completely different.

No, they aren't hormones.

Transgender youth fact check: Blaire White is wrong – Part 1: Fundamentals

Some are. The others are used in conjunction with hormones. Are they approved for this use. Have they been tested and have data for 5 year results, 10, 25, 50? That's important for treatments for 13 year olds, no?

"“Puberty suppression hormones prevent the development of secondary sex characteristics, arrest bone growth, decrease bone accretion, prevent full organization and maturation of the brain, and inhibit fertility,” Hruz, Mayer, and McHugh write in a Supreme Court brief filed in the Gavin Grimm case. They go on to list other possible side effects of cross-gender hormones, oral estrogen, and testosterone, including sterility, coronary disease, cardiovascular disease, elevated blood pressure, and breast cancer. "

Growing Pains: Problems with Puberty Suppression in Treating Gender Dysphoria (USA)

Long term effects have not been determined. This is the human trials ... with no approval to do so asked or given. IMO, medical experiments on children is child abuse, especially if they are unnecessary and cosmetic.

Good thing trained medical professionals and parents are making the decisions, not you...IMO.

Like Fen-Phen? Like the practice of assigning a single sex to hermaphrodite babies? Like that?

Many people are fine with medical experiments on children.

I notice no comment or concern for the dangers. The results must be so good: lower suicide rates, lower addiction rates, lower depression ... right?

Nobody but the individuals themselves should be making the decision about what gender to assign innersex children.

As with most important medical decisions, in the case of transgendered children, the children, the parents and their doctor get to make the decisions, not you...thank goodness.

They will weigh the risks against the benefits and make an informed decision.

So, just the individual, not the doctor and parents on intetsexed children because the doctors and parents FAILED. Doctors and parents are still good to make transgender decisions though. Parents have incomplete information and are desperate to make their children happy. No one tells them that it WILL NOT solve the problem. The suicide rate remains astronomical, depression is the norm and addiction is rife AFTER the transformation.

You put the movement above the children. The idea is worth sacrificing children. Please expand on this benefit that outweighs such high risk. WHAT BENEFIT? Their suicide rate, mental illness rate, addiction rate and domestic violence rate shows no statistical difference. Pretend that's not abusing children for the greater good (that isn't even greater, just feels like it) all you want. I won't.

Only parents and doctors used to make the decisions for innersexed children. The children didn't get to make the decision which gender they wanted to be.

As long as the individual in question is actually involved in the decision, it's none of your or my business.

As for suicide...rates of suicide are higher in LGBT youth than for the average youth. Hmmmm...why could that be? Well, let's look at some facts...

Each episode of LGBT victimization, such as physical or verbal harassment or abuse, increases the likelihood of self-harming behavior by 2.5 times on average.

LGB youth who come from highly rejecting families are 8.4 times as likely to have attempted suicide as LGB peers who reported no or low levels of family rejection.

Facts About Suicide

Intervenable factors associated with suicide risk in transgender persons: a respondent driven sampling study in Ontario, Canada

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19361653.2014.910483

 

[Tresha91203]

Some are. The others are used in conjunction with hormones. Are they approved for this use. Have they been tested and have data for 5 year results, 10, 25, 50? That's important for treatments for 13 year olds, no?

"“Puberty suppression hormones prevent the development of secondary sex characteristics, arrest bone growth, decrease bone accretion, prevent full organization and maturation of the brain, and inhibit fertility,” Hruz, Mayer, and McHugh write in a Supreme Court brief filed in the Gavin Grimm case. They go on to list other possible side effects of cross-gender hormones, oral estrogen, and testosterone, including sterility, coronary disease, cardiovascular disease, elevated blood pressure, and breast cancer. "

Growing Pains: Problems with Puberty Suppression in Treating Gender Dysphoria (USA)

Long term effects have not been determined. This is the human trials ... with no approval to do so asked or given. IMO, medical experiments on children is child abuse, especially if they are unnecessary and cosmetic.

Good thing trained medical professionals and parents are making the decisions, not you...IMO.

Like Fen-Phen? Like the practice of assigning a single sex to hermaphrodite babies? Like that?

Many people are fine with medical experiments on children.

I notice no comment or concern for the dangers. The results must be so good: lower suicide rates, lower addiction rates, lower depression ... right?

Nobody but the individuals themselves should be making the decision about what gender to assign innersex children.

As with most important medical decisions, in the case of transgendered children, the children, the parents and their doctor get to make the decisions, not you...thank goodness.

They will weigh the risks against the benefits and make an informed decision.

So, just the individual, not the doctor and parents on intetsexed children because the doctors and parents FAILED. Doctors and parents are still good to make transgender decisions though. Parents have incomplete information and are desperate to make their children happy. No one tells them that it WILL NOT solve the problem. The suicide rate remains astronomical, depression is the norm and addiction is rife AFTER the transformation.

You put the movement above the children. The idea is worth sacrificing children. Please expand on this benefit that outweighs such high risk. WHAT BENEFIT? Their suicide rate, mental illness rate, addiction rate and domestic violence rate shows no statistical difference. Pretend that's not abusing children for the greater good (that isn't even greater, just feels like it) all you want. I won't.

Only parents and doctors used to make the decisions for innersexed children. The children didn't get to make the decision which gender they wanted to be.

As long as the individual in question is actually involved in the decision, it's none of your or my business.

As for suicide...rates of suicide are higher in LGBT youth than for the average youth. Hmmmm...why could that be? Well, let's look at some facts...

Each episode of LGBT victimization, such as physical or verbal harassment or abuse, increases the likelihood of self-harming behavior by 2.5 times on average.

LGB youth who come from highly rejecting families are 8.4 times as likely to have attempted suicide as LGB peers who reported no or low levels of family rejection.

Facts About Suicide

Intervenable factors associated with suicide risk in transgender persons: a respondent driven sampling study in Ontario, Canada

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19361653.2014.910483

I know the stats. I am an advocate and a GAL. We have NOT found the fix. This process stunts brain development FFS!!!!! It is NOT approved for this use because it is DANGEROUS and the very very very minimal reward (very slightly reduced mental illness, suicide, domestic violence and addiction but within the margin of error so statistically null) is NOT worth the very real known risks and the unknown risks because we have not studied the effects on children. Do you not understand that this is experimental trials on children?!?! Parents are desperate to make their children happy. You are misleading them into thinking this works, is reversible and is harmless. It does not work, is dangerous and harmful, and most of the effects are not reversible.

For you, the movement is all important. You obviously are willing to experiment on children if the end result is reaching "enlightenment" faster. Safety measures like approval processes for experimental human trials be damned!!! The ends justify the means and all that feel-good progressive BS. For me, each child is precious and not to be experimented on to further any movement. ANY child subjected to this unapproved experimentation should be able to sue the pants off his doctor. In 20 years, there will be a wave of horror stories, just as there have been for intersexed children.

You keep pretending this is safe, reversible and it works in order to push your movement. Lots of people are willing to sacrifice many children for the cause. I'm just not one of them. You don't even know all of the risks, just the ones we've confirmed so far. You do know the success rate is abysmal if you include quality of life in any way. It just doesn't matter to you. It's like healthcare. Lots of people think, "I don't care how bad it is, at least it is a start!" You may not admit that's what the sentiment is here, but it is pretty clear. The results suck, but keep pushing it because eventually, after Lord knows how many children ruined, we'll get it right ... just like socialism and healthcare and equality ... and the victims pile up.

 

[Seawytch]

Good thing trained medical professionals and parents are making the decisions, not you...IMO.

Like Fen-Phen? Like the practice of assigning a single sex to hermaphrodite babies? Like that?

Many people are fine with medical experiments on children.

I notice no comment or concern for the dangers. The results must be so good: lower suicide rates, lower addiction rates, lower depression ... right?

Nobody but the individuals themselves should be making the decision about what gender to assign innersex children.

As with most important medical decisions, in the case of transgendered children, the children, the parents and their doctor get to make the decisions, not you...thank goodness.

They will weigh the risks against the benefits and make an informed decision.

So, just the individual, not the doctor and parents on intetsexed children because the doctors and parents FAILED. Doctors and parents are still good to make transgender decisions though. Parents have incomplete information and are desperate to make their children happy. No one tells them that it WILL NOT solve the problem. The suicide rate remains astronomical, depression is the norm and addiction is rife AFTER the transformation.

You put the movement above the children. The idea is worth sacrificing children. Please expand on this benefit that outweighs such high risk. WHAT BENEFIT? Their suicide rate, mental illness rate, addiction rate and domestic violence rate shows no statistical difference. Pretend that's not abusing children for the greater good (that isn't even greater, just feels like it) all you want. I won't.

Only parents and doctors used to make the decisions for innersexed children. The children didn't get to make the decision which gender they wanted to be.

As long as the individual in question is actually involved in the decision, it's none of your or my business.

As for suicide...rates of suicide are higher in LGBT youth than for the average youth. Hmmmm...why could that be? Well, let's look at some facts...

Each episode of LGBT victimization, such as physical or verbal harassment or abuse, increases the likelihood of self-harming behavior by 2.5 times on average.

LGB youth who come from highly rejecting families are 8.4 times as likely to have attempted suicide as LGB peers who reported no or low levels of family rejection.

Facts About Suicide

Intervenable factors associated with suicide risk in transgender persons: a respondent driven sampling study in Ontario, Canada

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19361653.2014.910483

I know the stats. I am an advocate and a GAL. We have NOT found the fix. This process stunts brain development FFS!!!!! It is NOT approved for this use because it is DANGEROUS and the very very very minimal reward (very slightly reduced mental illness, suicide, domestic violence and addiction but within the margin of error so statistically null) is NOT worth the very real known risks and the unknown risks because we have not studied the effects on children. Do you not understand that this is experimental trials on children?!?! Parents are desperate to make their children happy. You are misleading them into thinking this works, is reversible and is harmless. It does not work, is dangerous and harmful, and most of the effects are not reversible.

For you, the movement is all important. You obviously are willing to experiment on children if the end result is reaching "enlightenment" faster. Safety measures like approval processes for experimental human trials be damned!!! The ends justify the means and all that feel-good progressive BS. For me, each child is precious and not to be experimented on to further any movement. ANY child subjected to this unapproved experimentation should be able to sue the pants off his doctor. In 20 years, there will be a wave of horror stories, just as there have been for intersexed children.

You keep pretending this is safe, reversible and it works in order to push your movement. Lots of people are willing to sacrifice many children for the cause. I'm just not one of them. You don't even know all of the risks, just the ones we've confirmed so far. You do know the success rate is abysmal if you include quality of life in any way. It just doesn't matter to you. It's like healthcare. Lots of people think, "I don't care how bad it is, at least it is a start!" You may not admit that's what the sentiment is here, but it is pretty clear. The results suck, but keep pushing it because eventually, after Lord knows how many children ruined, we'll get it right ... just like socialism and healthcare and equality ... and the victims pile up.

Except you've provided no data on "how bad it is". I, on the other hand, have provided link after link from credible medical associations.

 

[Tresha91203]

Like Fen-Phen? Like the practice of assigning a single sex to hermaphrodite babies? Like that?

Many people are fine with medical experiments on children.

I notice no comment or concern for the dangers. The results must be so good: lower suicide rates, lower addiction rates, lower depression ... right?

Nobody but the individuals themselves should be making the decision about what gender to assign innersex children.

As with most important medical decisions, in the case of transgendered children, the children, the parents and their doctor get to make the decisions, not you...thank goodness.

They will weigh the risks against the benefits and make an informed decision.

So, just the individual, not the doctor and parents on intetsexed children because the doctors and parents FAILED. Doctors and parents are still good to make transgender decisions though. Parents have incomplete information and are desperate to make their children happy. No one tells them that it WILL NOT solve the problem. The suicide rate remains astronomical, depression is the norm and addiction is rife AFTER the transformation.

You put the movement above the children. The idea is worth sacrificing children. Please expand on this benefit that outweighs such high risk. WHAT BENEFIT? Their suicide rate, mental illness rate, addiction rate and domestic violence rate shows no statistical difference. Pretend that's not abusing children for the greater good (that isn't even greater, just feels like it) all you want. I won't.

Only parents and doctors used to make the decisions for innersexed children. The children didn't get to make the decision which gender they wanted to be.

As long as the individual in question is actually involved in the decision, it's none of your or my business.

As for suicide...rates of suicide are higher in LGBT youth than for the average youth. Hmmmm...why could that be? Well, let's look at some facts...

Each episode of LGBT victimization, such as physical or verbal harassment or abuse, increases the likelihood of self-harming behavior by 2.5 times on average.

LGB youth who come from highly rejecting families are 8.4 times as likely to have attempted suicide as LGB peers who reported no or low levels of family rejection.

Facts About Suicide

Intervenable factors associated with suicide risk in transgender persons: a respondent driven sampling study in Ontario, Canada

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19361653.2014.910483

I know the stats. I am an advocate and a GAL. We have NOT found the fix. This process stunts brain development FFS!!!!! It is NOT approved for this use because it is DANGEROUS and the very very very minimal reward (very slightly reduced mental illness, suicide, domestic violence and addiction but within the margin of error so statistically null) is NOT worth the very real known risks and the unknown risks because we have not studied the effects on children. Do you not understand that this is experimental trials on children?!?! Parents are desperate to make their children happy. You are misleading them into thinking this works, is reversible and is harmless. It does not work, is dangerous and harmful, and most of the effects are not reversible.

For you, the movement is all important. You obviously are willing to experiment on children if the end result is reaching "enlightenment" faster. Safety measures like approval processes for experimental human trials be damned!!! The ends justify the means and all that feel-good progressive BS. For me, each child is precious and not to be experimented on to further any movement. ANY child subjected to this unapproved experimentation should be able to sue the pants off his doctor. In 20 years, there will be a wave of horror stories, just as there have been for intersexed children.

You keep pretending this is safe, reversible and it works in order to push your movement. Lots of people are willing to sacrifice many children for the cause. I'm just not one of them. You don't even know all of the risks, just the ones we've confirmed so far. You do know the success rate is abysmal if you include quality of life in any way. It just doesn't matter to you. It's like healthcare. Lots of people think, "I don't care how bad it is, at least it is a start!" You may not admit that's what the sentiment is here, but it is pretty clear. The results suck, but keep pushing it because eventually, after Lord knows how many children ruined, we'll get it right ... just like socialism and healthcare and equality ... and the victims pile up.

Except you've provided no data on "how bad it is". I, on the other hand, have provided link after link from credible medical associations.

You provided links stating they have a high rate of suicide, higher if subjected to cruelty. I have asked for your proof that puberty blockers reduce this suicide rate, addiction rate, depression rate and domestic violence rate. You repeatedly ignore that request and mock or deflect instead.

Are these drugs being used in the manner they are approved for use? NO

Have these combinations (or even individual components) been tested for long term effects in children? NO

Do we even know the consequences? NO

Is it largely being billed as safe, reversible and harmless? YES

Experimental trials on children without the approval to do so. Condescend all you want, but that is what you are pushing.

 

[Seawytch]

Nobody but the individuals themselves should be making the decision about what gender to assign innersex children.

As with most important medical decisions, in the case of transgendered children, the children, the parents and their doctor get to make the decisions, not you...thank goodness.

They will weigh the risks against the benefits and make an informed decision.

So, just the individual, not the doctor and parents on intetsexed children because the doctors and parents FAILED. Doctors and parents are still good to make transgender decisions though. Parents have incomplete information and are desperate to make their children happy. No one tells them that it WILL NOT solve the problem. The suicide rate remains astronomical, depression is the norm and addiction is rife AFTER the transformation.

You put the movement above the children. The idea is worth sacrificing children. Please expand on this benefit that outweighs such high risk. WHAT BENEFIT? Their suicide rate, mental illness rate, addiction rate and domestic violence rate shows no statistical difference. Pretend that's not abusing children for the greater good (that isn't even greater, just feels like it) all you want. I won't.

Only parents and doctors used to make the decisions for innersexed children. The children didn't get to make the decision which gender they wanted to be.

As long as the individual in question is actually involved in the decision, it's none of your or my business.

As for suicide...rates of suicide are higher in LGBT youth than for the average youth. Hmmmm...why could that be? Well, let's look at some facts...

Each episode of LGBT victimization, such as physical or verbal harassment or abuse, increases the likelihood of self-harming behavior by 2.5 times on average.

LGB youth who come from highly rejecting families are 8.4 times as likely to have attempted suicide as LGB peers who reported no or low levels of family rejection.

Facts About Suicide

Intervenable factors associated with suicide risk in transgender persons: a respondent driven sampling study in Ontario, Canada

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19361653.2014.910483

I know the stats. I am an advocate and a GAL. We have NOT found the fix. This process stunts brain development FFS!!!!! It is NOT approved for this use because it is DANGEROUS and the very very very minimal reward (very slightly reduced mental illness, suicide, domestic violence and addiction but within the margin of error so statistically null) is NOT worth the very real known risks and the unknown risks because we have not studied the effects on children. Do you not understand that this is experimental trials on children?!?! Parents are desperate to make their children happy. You are misleading them into thinking this works, is reversible and is harmless. It does not work, is dangerous and harmful, and most of the effects are not reversible.

For you, the movement is all important. You obviously are willing to experiment on children if the end result is reaching "enlightenment" faster. Safety measures like approval processes for experimental human trials be damned!!! The ends justify the means and all that feel-good progressive BS. For me, each child is precious and not to be experimented on to further any movement. ANY child subjected to this unapproved experimentation should be able to sue the pants off his doctor. In 20 years, there will be a wave of horror stories, just as there have been for intersexed children.

You keep pretending this is safe, reversible and it works in order to push your movement. Lots of people are willing to sacrifice many children for the cause. I'm just not one of them. You don't even know all of the risks, just the ones we've confirmed so far. You do know the success rate is abysmal if you include quality of life in any way. It just doesn't matter to you. It's like healthcare. Lots of people think, "I don't care how bad it is, at least it is a start!" You may not admit that's what the sentiment is here, but it is pretty clear. The results suck, but keep pushing it because eventually, after Lord knows how many children ruined, we'll get it right ... just like socialism and healthcare and equality ... and the victims pile up.

Except you've provided no data on "how bad it is". I, on the other hand, have provided link after link from credible medical associations.

You provided links stating they have a high rate of suicide, higher if subjected to cruelty. I have asked for your proof that puberty blockers reduce this suicide rate, addiction rate, depression rate and domestic violence rate. You repeatedly ignore that request and mock or deflect instead.

Are these drugs being used in the manner they are approved for use? NO

Have these combinations (or even individual components) been tested for long term effects in children? NO

Do we even know the consequences? NO

Is it largely being billed as safe, reversible and harmless? YES

Experimental trials on children without the approval to do so. Condescend all you want, but that is what you are pushing.

Uh no, I've provided other links from credible organizations. This one, especially, addresses puberty blockers.

Transgender youth fact check: Blaire White is wrong – Part 1: Fundamentals

Trans children receive these injections or implants regularly for years in order to hold off these changes. This allows more time for them to be evaluated frequently by medical and psychological professionals and helps children be certain of whether they ultimately want to transition. If they choose not to transition, they can stop taking puberty blockers at any time, and their initial puberty will simply resume and continue normally. This is why the medical field, including the American Academy of Pediatrics (2015) and the American Psychiatric Association (Byne et al., 2012), classifies these blockers as fully reversible. These are safe medications that have been in use among both trans and cis children for decades now.

Again, puberty blockers are not hormones. They stop hormones. If, after this time on puberty blockers, a teenager does choose to transition, they can start taking estrogen or testosterone at age 16. These hormones do produce more permanent changes that are not necessarily reversible. While Blaire White describes this as “really, really early”, keep in mind that this treatment results in a puberty that occurs years later than it usually would, along with being subject to ongoing medical monitoring and control.

There are others who also have expertise on this topic, such as major medical organizations and many hospitals. In addition to the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Psychiatric Association, the proper use of puberty blockers for trans youth is also supported by:

• The American Psychological Association (2015)
• The American College of Osteopathic Pediatricians (Wyckoff, 2016)
• The American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry (Adelson & AACAP CQI, 2012)
• The American Academy of Family Physicians (2014)
• The Endocrine Society (Hembree et al., 2009)
• The World Professional Association for Transgender Health (Coleman et al., 2011)

What reduces the risk of suicide is not being rejected by friends and family.

 

[Tresha91203]

So, just the individual, not the doctor and parents on intetsexed children because the doctors and parents FAILED. Doctors and parents are still good to make transgender decisions though. Parents have incomplete information and are desperate to make their children happy. No one tells them that it WILL NOT solve the problem. The suicide rate remains astronomical, depression is the norm and addiction is rife AFTER the transformation.

You put the movement above the children. The idea is worth sacrificing children. Please expand on this benefit that outweighs such high risk. WHAT BENEFIT? Their suicide rate, mental illness rate, addiction rate and domestic violence rate shows no statistical difference. Pretend that's not abusing children for the greater good (that isn't even greater, just feels like it) all you want. I won't.

Only parents and doctors used to make the decisions for innersexed children. The children didn't get to make the decision which gender they wanted to be.

As long as the individual in question is actually involved in the decision, it's none of your or my business.

As for suicide...rates of suicide are higher in LGBT youth than for the average youth. Hmmmm...why could that be? Well, let's look at some facts...

Each episode of LGBT victimization, such as physical or verbal harassment or abuse, increases the likelihood of self-harming behavior by 2.5 times on average.

LGB youth who come from highly rejecting families are 8.4 times as likely to have attempted suicide as LGB peers who reported no or low levels of family rejection.

Facts About Suicide

Intervenable factors associated with suicide risk in transgender persons: a respondent driven sampling study in Ontario, Canada

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19361653.2014.910483

I know the stats. I am an advocate and a GAL. We have NOT found the fix. This process stunts brain development FFS!!!!! It is NOT approved for this use because it is DANGEROUS and the very very very minimal reward (very slightly reduced mental illness, suicide, domestic violence and addiction but within the margin of error so statistically null) is NOT worth the very real known risks and the unknown risks because we have not studied the effects on children. Do you not understand that this is experimental trials on children?!?! Parents are desperate to make their children happy. You are misleading them into thinking this works, is reversible and is harmless. It does not work, is dangerous and harmful, and most of the effects are not reversible.

For you, the movement is all important. You obviously are willing to experiment on children if the end result is reaching "enlightenment" faster. Safety measures like approval processes for experimental human trials be damned!!! The ends justify the means and all that feel-good progressive BS. For me, each child is precious and not to be experimented on to further any movement. ANY child subjected to this unapproved experimentation should be able to sue the pants off his doctor. In 20 years, there will be a wave of horror stories, just as there have been for intersexed children.

You keep pretending this is safe, reversible and it works in order to push your movement. Lots of people are willing to sacrifice many children for the cause. I'm just not one of them. You don't even know all of the risks, just the ones we've confirmed so far. You do know the success rate is abysmal if you include quality of life in any way. It just doesn't matter to you. It's like healthcare. Lots of people think, "I don't care how bad it is, at least it is a start!" You may not admit that's what the sentiment is here, but it is pretty clear. The results suck, but keep pushing it because eventually, after Lord knows how many children ruined, we'll get it right ... just like socialism and healthcare and equality ... and the victims pile up.

Except you've provided no data on "how bad it is". I, on the other hand, have provided link after link from credible medical associations.

You provided links stating they have a high rate of suicide, higher if subjected to cruelty. I have asked for your proof that puberty blockers reduce this suicide rate, addiction rate, depression rate and domestic violence rate. You repeatedly ignore that request and mock or deflect instead.

Are these drugs being used in the manner they are approved for use? NO

Have these combinations (or even individual components) been tested for long term effects in children? NO

Do we even know the consequences? NO

Is it largely being billed as safe, reversible and harmless? YES

Experimental trials on children without the approval to do so. Condescend all you want, but that is what you are pushing.

Uh no, I've provided other links from credible organizations. This one, especially, addresses puberty blockers.

Transgender youth fact check: Blaire White is wrong – Part 1: Fundamentals

Trans children receive these injections or implants regularly for years in order to hold off these changes. This allows more time for them to be evaluated frequently by medical and psychological professionals and helps children be certain of whether they ultimately want to transition. If they choose not to transition, they can stop taking puberty blockers at any time, and their initial puberty will simply resume and continue normally. This is why the medical field, including the American Academy of Pediatrics (2015) and the American Psychiatric Association (Byne et al., 2012), classifies these blockers as fully reversible. These are safe medications that have been in use among both trans and cis children for decades now.

Again, puberty blockers are not hormones. They stop hormones. If, after this time on puberty blockers, a teenager does choose to transition, they can start taking estrogen or testosterone at age 16. These hormones do produce more permanent changes that are not necessarily reversible. While Blaire White describes this as “really, really early”, keep in mind that this treatment results in a puberty that occurs years later than it usually would, along with being subject to ongoing medical monitoring and control.

There are others who also have expertise on this topic, such as major medical organizations and many hospitals. In addition to the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Psychiatric Association, the proper use of puberty blockers for trans youth is also supported by:

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  • The American Psychological Association (2015)
  • The American College of Osteopathic Pediatricians (Wyckoff, 2016)
  • The American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry (Adelson & AACAP CQI, 2012)
  • The American Academy of Family Physicians (2014)
  • The Endocrine Society (Hembree et al., 2009)
  • The World Professional Association for Transgender Health (Coleman et al., 2011)

What reduces the risk of suicide is not being rejected by friends and family.

They can't say it is reversible when used for this purpose because they don't know. This IS the human trials.

When Transgender Kids Transition, Medical Risks are Both Known and Unknown

"However, the use of puberty blockers to treat transgender children is what’s considered an “off label” use of the medication — something that hasn’t been approved by the Food and Drug Administration. And doctors say their biggest concern is about how long children stay on the medication, because there isn’t enough research into the effects of stalling puberty at the age when children normally go through it.

...snipped section on bone loss...

Another area where doctors say there isn’t enough research is the impact that suppressing puberty has on brain development.

“The bottom line is we don’t really know how sex hormones impact any adolescent’s brain development,” Dr. Lisa Simons, a pediatrician at Lurie Children’s, told FRONTLINE. “We know that there’s a lot of brain development between childhood and adulthood, but it’s not clear what’s behind that.” What’s lacking, she said, are specific studies that look at the neurocognitive effects of puberty blockers.

Claiming this is safe is a lie. Progressives think it is worth the roll of the dice because they believe it will work, despite the evidence showing the end result is statistically no better than no medical intervention. We could be ruining these children. We likely are. The ends do not justify the means for many of us.

Mock, condescend, look down your nose at us Neanderthals, whatever. I'm not the one performing unnapproved medical experiments on children.