Zone1 How we know the Catholic Church (called such at least as early as 107 AD) did not fail

[forkintheroad7]

Anything physical can fall.

I stopped at the first problem

What Jesus establishes does not fail.

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[Mr. Friscus]

sadly enough the Catholic faith is usually insulted …..

Haters gonna hate

 

[forkintheroad7]

Haters gonna hate

yeh, a lot of people seem to be in love with their hate

and their ignorance of the Catholic faith..

It must be, since they cling to both like a life raft..

 

[forkintheroad7]

The history of the Church of Rome testifies against it.

We must obey God rather than man

says the Word

 

[Mr. Friscus]

yeh, a lot of people seem to be in love with their hate

and their ignorance of the Catholic faith..

It must be, since they cling to both like a life raft..

They nearly always attack the strawman of the church they created or learned about, not the church itself. There’s been hundreds of years of anti-Catholic propaganda here in the USA alone

 

[forkintheroad7]

They nearly always attack the strawman of the church they created or learned about, not the church itself. There’s been hundreds of years of anti-Catholic propaganda here in the USA alone

The Vatican is not Catholic and hasn't been since 1958

That's when anti-Catholics took it over

I've studied this matter and do not say this lightly. There are many books about it. One is called Infiltrator but it is not the most well-written book out there. It does give some information for those not familiar w/ the topic, though..

 

[kjw47]

The Catholic Church is the only one that goes back to the beginning of Christ's ministry. No other supposed "church" goes back that far. Catholics consider Protestant "churches" ecclesial communities, somewhat a part of the Church, but not THE CHURCH because there is only ONE of those.

So yeh, we know the Church did not fail as many non-Catholic sects tell us ad nauseum. Some of those will tell you that Constantine started the CC.

Oh... and what was the Church b4 Constantine came along? Know what you'll get when you ask that question? Crickets

No, the Church goes back to the days of Jesus Christ, His Resurrection/Ascension

But in case one does not believe that.. There is this: "I will build My Church" Jesus said "And the gates of Hell will not prevail against it"

Mt 16:18

Jesus does not lie

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You are confused sir. Her bloodguilt has amassed to the heavens. They cant even understand simple bible milk. Like this teaching from Jesus--Do not call any man Father on earth( speaking of a spiritual teacher, not a dad) for there is one who is your Father, the heavenly one. Matt 23:9)--The priests are called Father, the pope elevates himself into Gods position by being called holy Father--They are telling Jesus NO we will not listen to you on that matter.
Statues, icons and graven images are forbidden in Gods bible, yet their churches and homes are filled with all 3.
In their own encyclopedia it says--No trinity God was served prior to the end of the 4th century)))))--The true God was served up until that point.That was at the council of Constantinople( recorded history) when Catholicism added the holy spirit toa godhead. A council headed by a pagan false god worshipping king. Imagine Jesus letting him run a council seeking truth. The romans and Greeks refused to =go to a religion with a single God, thus the trinity was created. Both of those groups had many false gods.
You best take another look. Jesus was NEVER with Catholicism.

 

[Meriweather]

Jews have an authenticated OT Canon, while the Catholics is having an authenticated NT Canon. Only Protestant Christians can have both.

Only Protestant Christians can have both? Some Protestant Churches no longer bother with readings from the Old Testament. Catholic Churches have at least two Old Testament readings during Mass, and two New Testament Readings.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains:

129 Christians therefore read the Old Testament in the light of Christ crucified and risen. Such typological reading discloses the inexhaustible content of the Old Testament; but it must not make us forget that the Old Testament retains its own intrinsic value as Revelation reaffirmed by our Lord himself. Besides, the New Testament has to be read in the light of the Old. Early Christian catechesis made constant use of the Old Testament. As an old saying put it, the New Testament lies hidden in the Old and the Old Testament is unveiled in the New.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

The Vatican is not Catholic and hasn't been since 1958

That's when anti-Catholics took it over

I've studied this matter and do not say this lightly. There are many books about it. One is called Infiltrator but it is not the most well-written book out there. It does give some information for those not familiar w/ the topic, though..

Yikes.. you condemn those who question the church, and then immediately condemn the church.

The Vatican is the church, and if bad things are amok it will always be healed, that’s His promise

 

[forkintheroad7]

They nearly always attack the strawman of the church they created or learned about, not the church itself. There’s been hundreds of years of anti-Catholic propaganda here in the USA alone

I know.

But Jesus warned that we would be "hated by all" because of Him (his Church)

 

[forkintheroad7]

Yikes.. you condemn those who question the church, and then immediately condemn the church.

The Vatican is the church, and if bad things are amok it will always be healed, that’s His promise

No, u just don't u/stand me. I am not attacking the Church because the Church does not exist (as it once did) in the Vatican. That is not to say that Jesus has utterly abandoned the Vatican. It just means that non-Catholics have been running things there for decades.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

No, u just don't u/stand me. I am not attacking the Church because the Church does not exist (as it once did) in the Vatican. That is not to say that Jesus has utterly abandoned the Vatican. It just means that non-Catholics have been running things there for decades.

I’ve heard some doozy conspiracy theories from Vatican II.. but they usually don’t appear to be believable

 

[ninja007]

I stopped at the first problem

What Jesus establishes does not fail.

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Jesus said zero about a catholic church- in fact His teachings are mostly opposite of the rcc teachings.

 

[ninja007]

I know.

But Jesus warned that we would be "hated by all" because of Him (his Church)

His church isnt a building.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Jesus said zero about a catholic church- in fact His teachings are mostly opposite of the rcc teachings.

Good luck backing that claim up

 

[Zebra]

The Catholic Church is the only one that goes back to the beginning of Christ's ministry. No other supposed "church" goes back that far. Catholics consider Protestant "churches" ecclesial communities, somewhat a part of the Church, but not THE CHURCH because there is only ONE of those.

So yeh, we know the Church did not fail as many non-Catholic sects tell us ad nauseum. Some of those will tell you that Constantine started the CC.

Oh... and what was the Church b4 Constantine came along? Know what you'll get when you ask that question? Crickets

No, the Church goes back to the days of Jesus Christ, His Resurrection/Ascension

But in case one does not believe that.. There is this: "I will build My Church" Jesus said "And the gates of Hell will not prevail against it"

Mt 16:18

Jesus does not lie

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ok

 

[Zebra]

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[forkintheroad7]

Good luck backing that claim up

You cannot deny what has actually happened in history. I have studied modern history (some ancient) of the Church. Something awful happened in 1958 and people who don't want to know about it.. well IMO they are part of the problem, not the solution, so I hope you don't want to be that..

Most Catholics do not appear to know what I have uncovered. But it is Not good to be ignorant of the Church's history. Don't we have enough Protestants (who are)?

 

[Mr. Friscus]

You cannot deny what has actually happened in history. I have studied modern history (some ancient) of the Church. Something awful happened in 1958 and people who don't want to know about it.. well IMO they are part of the problem, not the solution, so I hope you don't want to be that..

Most Catholics do not appear to know what I have uncovered. But it is Not good to be ignorant of the Church's history. Don't we have enough Protestants (who are)?

I’m glad you’re here to save us all from oblivion

 

[ninja007]

Good luck backing that claim up

List of Manmade Catholic Heresies​

Roman Catholicism is of the Devil​

And HUMAN TRADITIONS ADOPTED and PERPETUATED by the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH in the COURSE OF 1600 YEARS.


"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" Jesus in John 8:32


Notice:- These dates are in many cases approximate. Many of these heresies had been current in the church years before, but only when they were officially adopted by a church council and proclaimed by the pope as dogma of faith, did they become binding on Catholics.


And doctrine to be true must conform to the Word of God. "To the law and to the testimony; if they speak not according to this word, it become there is no light in them." ( Isaiah 8:20 ).


At the Reformation in the 16th Century these heresies were repudiated as having no part in the Religion of Jesus as taught in the New Testament.


1. OF ALL THE HUMAN TRADITIONS taught and practiced by the Roman Catholic Church, which are contrary to the Bible, the most ancient are the prayers for the dead and the sign of the Cross. Both began 300 years after Christ................................................................................310


2. Wax Candles introduced in church about...........................................................................320


3. Veneration of angels and dead saints about...................................................................375


4. The Mass, as a daily celebration, adopted.........................................................................394


5. The worship of Mary, the mother of Jesus, and the use of the term, "Mother of God", as applied to her, originated in the Council of Ephesus in..............................................................431


6. Priests began to dress differently from the laity in.................................................................500


7. The doctrine of Purgatory was first established by Gregory the Great about the year.......593


8. The Latin language, as the language of prayer and worship in churches, was also imposed
by Pope Gregory I. 600 years after Christ...............................................................................600


The Word of God forbids praying and teaching in an unknown tongue ( I Cor.14:9).


9. The Bible teaches that we pray to God alone. In the primitive church never were there
prayers directed to Mary, or to dead saints. This practice began in the Roman Church about......................................................................................................................................600


(Matt.11:28; Luke 1:46; Acts 10:25-26; 14:14-18)


10. The Papacy is of pagan origin. The title of pope or universal bishop, was first given to the bishop of Rome by the wicked emperor Phocas, in the year.....................................................610


This he did to spite Bishop Ciriacus of Constantinople, who had justly excommunicated him for having caused the assassination of his predecessor emperor Mauritius. Gregory I, then bishop of Rome, refused the title, but his successor, Boniface III, first assumed title "pope".


Jesus did not appoint Peter to the leadership of the apostles and forbade such notion.
(Luke 22:24-26; Eph.1:22-3;Col.1:18; I Cor.3:11 ).


Note:- Nor is there any mention in Scripture, nor in history, that Peter ever was in Rome, much less that he was pope there for 25 years; Clement, 3rd. bishop of Rome, remarks that "there is no real 1st century evidence that Peter ever was in Rome."


11. The kissing of the Pope's feet began in.........................................................................709


It had been a pagan custom to kiss the feet of emperors. The Word of God forbids such practices. (Read Acts 10:25-26; Rev.19:10; 22:9).


12. The Temporal power of the Popes began .....................................................................750


When Pepin, the usurper of the throne of France, descended into Italy, called by Pope Stephen II, to war against the Italian Lombards, he defeated them and gave the city of Rome and surrounding territory to the pope. Jesus expressly forbade such a thing, and He Himself refused worldly kingship (Read Matt.4:8-9; 20:25-26; John 18:38).


13. Worship of the cross, of images and relics was authorized in........................................788


This was by order of Dowager Empress Irene of Constantinople, who first caused to pluck the the eyes of her own son, Constantine VI, and then called a church council at the request of Hadrian I, pope of Rome at that time.


Such practice is called simply IDOLATRY in the Bible, and is severly condemned (Read Ex.20:4; 3:17; Deut.27:15; Psalm 115).


14. Holy Water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by the priest, was authorized in .........850


15. The veneration of St.Joseph began in............................................................................890


16. The baptism of bells was instituted by Pope John XIV, in the year...................................965


17. Canonization of dead saints, first by Pope John XV in...................................................995


Every believer and follower of Christ is called saint in the Bible (Read Rom.1:7; I Cor.1:2).


18. Fasting on Fridays and during Lent were imposed in the year.........................................998


Imposed by popes said to be interested in the commerce of fish. (Bull, or permit to eat meat), some authorities say, began in the year 700. This is against the plain teaching of the Bible (Read Matt.15:10; I Cor.10:25; I Tim.4:1-3).


19. The Mass was developed gradually as a sacrifice; attendance made obligatory in the 11th century.


The Bible teaches that the sacrifice of Christ was offered once and for all, and is not to be repeated, but only commemorated in the Lord's Supper (Read Heb.7:27; 9:26-28; 10:10-14).


20. The celibacy of the priesthood was decreed by Pope Hildebrand, Boniface VIII, in ......1079


Jesus imposed no such rule, nor did any of the apostles. On the contrary, St.Peter was a married man, and St.Paul says that bishops were to have wife and children (Read I Tim.3:2,5 and 12; Matt.8:14-15).


21. The Rosary, or prayer beads was introduced by Peter the Hermit, in the year 1090. Copied from Hindus and Mohammedans.


The counting of prayers is a pagan practice and is expressly condemned by Christ (Matt.6:5-13).


22. The Inquisition of heretics was instituted by the Council of Verona in the year 1184. Jesus never taught the use of force to spread His religion.................................................................1184


23. The sale of Indulgences, commonly regarded as a purchase of forgiveness and a permit to indulge in sin, began in the year..............................................................................................1190


Christianity, as taught in the Bible, condemns such a traffic, and it was the protest against this traffic that brought on the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century.


24. The dogma of Transubstantiation was decreed by Pope Innocent III, in the year...........1215


By this doctrine the priest pretends to perform a daily miracle by changing a wafer into the body of Christ, and then he pretends to eat Him alive in the presence of his people during Mass. The Bible condemns such absurdities; for the Lord's Supper is simply a memorial of sacrifice of Christ. The spiritual presence of Christ is implied in the Lord's Supper. (Read Luke 22:19-20; John 6:35; I Cor.11:26).


25. Confession of sins to the priest at least once a year was instituted by Pope Innocent III, in the Lateran Council, in the year.............................................................................................1215


The Bible commands us to confess our sins direct to God. (Read Psa.51:1-10; Luke 7:48; 15:21; I John 1:8-9).


26. The adoration of the wafer (Host), was decreed by Pope Honorius in the year..............1220


So the Roman Church worships a god made human hands. This is plain idolatry and absolutely contrary to the spirit of the gospel. (Read John 4:24).


27. The Bible forbidden to layman and placed in the Index of forbidden books by the
Council of Valencia in...........................................................................................................1229


Jesus commanded that the Scriptures should be read by all (John 5:39; I Tim.3:15-17).


28. The Scapular was invented by Simon Stock, an English monk, in the year.......................1287


It is a piece of brown cloth, with the picture of the Virgin and supposed to contain supernatural virtue to protect from all dangers those who wear it on naked skin. This is fetishism.


29. The Roman Church forbade the cup to the laity, by instituting the communion of one kind in the Council of Constance in 1414


The Bible commands us to celebrate the Lord's Supper with unleavened bread and the fruit of the vine (Read Matt.26:27; I Cor. 11:26-29).


30. The doctrine of Purgatory was proclaimed as a dogma of faith by the
Council of Florence in...........................................................................................................1439


There is not one word in the Bible that would teach the purgatory of priests. The blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth us from all sins. (Read I John 1:7-9; 2:1-2; John 5:24; Rom.8:1).


31. The doctrine of 7 Sacraments affirmed in ......................................................................1439


The Bible says that Christ instituted only two ordinances, Baptism and the Lord's Supper. (Read Mt.28:19-20; 26:26-28).


32. The Ave Maria, part of the last half in ..........................................................................1508


It was completed 50 years afterward and finally approved by Pope Sixtus V., at the end of the 16th century.


33. The Council of Trent, held in the year 1545, declared that Tradition is of equal authority
with the Bible........................................................................................................................1545


By tradition is meant human teachings. The Pharisees believed the same way, and Jesus bitterly condemned them, for by teaching human tradition, they nullify the commandments of God (Read Mark 7:7-13; Col.2:8; Rev.22:18).


34. The apocryphal books were added to the Bible also by the Council of Trent in...............1546


These books were not recognized as canonical by the Jewish Church (See Rev.22:8-9).


35. The Creed of Pope Pius IV was imposed as the official creed 1528 years after
Christ and the apostles, in ....................................................................................................1560


True Christians retain the Holy Scriptures as their creed. Hence their creed is more than 1528 older than the creed of Roman Catholics (Read Gal.1:8).


36. The Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary was proclaimed by Pope Pius IX in .....1854


The Bible states that all men, with the sole exception of Christ, are sinners. Mary herself had need of a Saviour (Read Rom.3:23; 5:12; Psa.51:5; Luke 1:30, 46, 47).


37. In the year 1870 after Christ, Pope Pius IX proclaimed the dogma of Papal Infallibility..1870


This is a blasphemy and a sign of the apostasy and of the anti-christ predicted by St.Paul (Read II Th. 2:2-12; Rev. 17:1-9; 13:5-8,18).


Many Bible students see the number of the beast (Rev.13:18), 666 in the Roman letters of the Pope's title:"VICARIVS FILII DEI". - V-5, I-1, C-100, I-1, V-5, I-1, L-50, I-1; D-500, I-1 - Total, 666.


38. Pope Pius X, in the year 1907, condemned together with "Modernism", all the discoveries
of modern science which are not approved by the Church....................................................1907


Pius IX had done the same thing in the Syllabus of 1864.


39. In the year 1930 Pius XI, condemned the Public Schools.............................................1930


40. In the year 1931 the same pope Pius XI, reaffirmed the doctrine that Mary is
"the Mother of God".........................................................................................................1931


This doctrine was first invented by the Council of Ephesus in the year 431. This heresy contrary by Mary's own words (Read Lk. 1:46-49; Jn. 2:1-5).


41. In the year 1950 the last dogma was proclaimed by Pope Pius XII, the
Assumption of the Virgin Mary.........................................................................................1950


CONCLUSION


What will be the next invention? The Roman Church says it never changes; yet, it has done nothing else but invent new doctrines which are contrary to the Bible, and has practiced rites and ceremonies taken bodily from paganism. Some scholar has found that 75% of the rites and ceremonies of the Roman Church are of pagan origin.


Note:- Cardinal Newman, in his book, "The Development of the Christian Religion", admits that..."Temples, incense, oil lamps, votive offerings, holy water, holidays and season of devotions, processions, blessing of fields, sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure (of priests and monks and nuns), images....are all of pagan origin..." (page 359).


HERESIES are those doctrines and practices which are contrary to the Bible. They are also called "human traditions" or "doctrines of men". Both Peter and Paul predicted and warned that in the later times "false teachers" would rise within the Church and bring in "damnable heresies" and "doctrines of devils". (Read 2nd Peter 2:1-3, and 1st Timothy 3:2-5). Jesus rebuked the Pharisees, for they transgressed the commandments of God by keeping their traditions, "In vain", He said, "they worship me by keeping for doctrines the commandments of men" (Matthew 15:3,9).


The real heretics therefore , are the Roman Catholics and the true orthodox are the Evangelical Christians.


BRETHREN! The Word of God commands us to get out of Babylon, saying: "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."(Revelation 18:4). All true Christians will remain faithful to the religion of Christ as taught in the Bible, and heed the warning of the Apostle Paul, who said: "But thought we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other Gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." (Galatians 1:8).