Zone1 How we know the Catholic Church (called such at least as early as 107 AD) did not fail

[Cougarbear]

Yes only the Father knows because he is the only true God.

So, why did your scholar prophets try 8 times? It's okay to say in the last days or possibly after a certain date. But, not a definite day or even a specific year. If they errored that badly on something even Jesus didn't know when he'd come back then why believe them with any translation attempts.

 

[Ace Nova]

Here is simple bible milk--Jesus speaking= Matt 23:9--Do not call any man on earth your Father( as one taking the lead( teacher) in a religion) for there is one your heavenly Father.
Yet the priests are called Father, the Pope elevates himself into Gods position by being called holy Father. It wasnt speaking about dads because they did Father their children. God Fathered 100% of the spiritual truths, one taking the lead Fathered 0 of them--That is what Jesus was talking about. They have had 1750 years and cannot understand that simple truth.

Semantics and translation! That has been debunked over and over again over again over the the past 1700 years. Do you know the term Jesus used to refer to "God" in Aramaic? Abba - which means "Father". When Jesus was the cross, most early texts"A have him saying "Adonai" another word for Father or Elohim - meaning God.

And the primary reason Jesus taught to call God "Father" or "Abba/Adonai" - is because he was teaching them to use a more personal term of endearment instead of the more traditional "Elohim". Not the other way around. And attaching it to "heavenly" would have made it more appropriate when referring to God.

Jesus likely called Joseph "Abba" that's why he REPEATEDLY uses the term "heavenly Father" or "Father in Heaven". Had he not called Joseph "Abba" there wouldn't be a reason to use the term "Father in heaven". It's really that simple.

And for what it's worth, most Catholic priests are usually referred to as "Father Mike" or "Father Dan" etc. - which is already less formal - and clearly seen as simply a "title" - a VAST difference from saying "My Father in Heaven" or "Heavenly Father" - which clearly refers to God.

 

[Cougarbear]

Semantics and translation! That has been debunked over and over again over again over the the past 1700 years. Do you know the term Jesus used to refer to "God" in Aramaic? Abba - which means "Father". When Jesus was the cross, most early texts"A have him saying "Adonai" another word for Father or Elohim - meaning God.

And the primary reason Jesus taught to call God "Father" or "Abba/Adonai" - is because he was teaching them to use a more personal term of endearment instead of the more traditional "Elohim". Not the other way around. And attaching it to "heavenly" would have made it more appropriate when referring to God.

Jesus likely called Joseph "Abba" that's why he REPEATEDLY uses the term "heavenly Father" or "Father in Heaven". Had he not called Joseph "Abba" there wouldn't be a reason to use the term "Father in heaven". It's really that simple.

And for what it's worth, most Catholic priests are usually referred to as "Father Mike" or "Father Dan" etc. - which is already less formal - and clearly seen as simply a "title" - a VAST difference from saying "My Father in Heaven" or "Heavenly Father".

What about the Pope? They call him Holy Father. Yikeeeees!!! In our Church, we refer to the name of the Father as Elohim. But, he, as with Jehovah or Jesus there are several names as well as titles that can be used.
Now, you might want to actually read the entire chapter 23 of Matthew. At no point is the Lord trying to teach a more personal term like Father in Heaven or Elohim. He's thrashing the Sadducees and Pharisees for putting them in the seat of Moses in the 2nd verse. And, apparently, they were sitting themselves in the seats of the Father and Son in the upper rooms of the Temple or the Holy of Holies. The words Father and Son are specific to our Father in Heaven and the Son of God, period when it comes to holy works as well. He also chastised them for sitting in the seats of God while not lifting a finger. Read the chapter dude. So, I have no idea what you are talking about 1700 years. Huh???

 

[luiza]

Cultists arguing with each other about how many angels you can get to fit on a pin head .

No wonder Christianity is dying as we watch .
At least there will be one less Cult Control movement for the Sheeple to be trapped by .

And the person most delighted by that will be Jesus the Essene Monk

 

[Cougarbear]

Cultists arguing with each other about how many angels you can get to fit on a pin head .

No wonder Christianity is dying as we watch .
At least there will be one less Cult Control movement for the Sheeple to be trapped by .

And the person most delighted by that will be Jesus the Essene Monk

And, what cult do you belong to?

 

[kjw47]

So, why did your scholar prophets try 8 times? It's okay to say in the last days or possibly after a certain date. But, not a definite day or even a specific year. If they errored that badly on something even Jesus didn't know when he'd come back then why believe them with any translation attempts.

Human error. Paul had to correct Peter one time-Why? Human error. Plus in those days only error filled and altered trinity translation was available. All of creation sees the mass of confusion those translations have caused.

 

[Cougarbear]

Human error. Paul had to correct Peter one time-Why? Human error. Plus in those days only error filled and altered trinity translation was available. All of creation sees the mass of confusion those translations have caused.

Dodge that bullet again! Since they errored many times, I'd say Bible translation you have has a bunch of errors and things taken from the Bible.

 

[kjw47]

Semantics and translation! That has been debunked over and over again over again over the the past 1700 years. Do you know the term Jesus used to refer to "God" in Aramaic? Abba - which means "Father". When Jesus was the cross, most early texts"A have him saying "Adonai" another word for Father or Elohim - meaning God.

And the primary reason Jesus taught to call God "Father" or "Abba/Adonai" - is because he was teaching them to use a more personal term of endearment instead of the more traditional "Elohim". Not the other way around. And attaching it to "heavenly" would have made it more appropriate when referring to God.

Jesus likely called Joseph "Abba" that's why he REPEATEDLY uses the term "heavenly Father" or "Father in Heaven". Had he not called Joseph "Abba" there wouldn't be a reason to use the term "Father in heaven". It's really that simple.

And for what it's worth, most Catholic priests are usually referred to as "Father Mike" or "Father Dan" etc. - which is already less formal - and clearly seen as simply a "title" - a VAST difference from saying "My Father in Heaven" or "Heavenly Father" - which clearly refers to God.

Jesus wasn't saying not to call a dad Father, He was saying not to call ones taking the lead in his religion-Father, they fathered 0 spiritual truths. God fathered 100% of all spiritual truth. That is what Jesus was saying. Twisting it into darkness gets one no where except unacceptable worship to the Father( John 4:22-24)