danielpalos
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higher paid labor creates more in demand and pays more in taxes in any long run equilibrium.And? When did I argue that the middle class was not shrinking. I specifically said that it was. Can you follow the conversation? The above does not support your statement that the middle is being lost to the poor.No, it does not back your assertion. A larger portion of people are moving UP rather than down. Hard fact.And it supports what I have been saying. From your very own cite.
Where does that extreme bottom come from? Is it magically created from a box of Lucky Charms? It has to come for somewhere. It comes from the traditional poverty (which has gone down if you believe the trumpster) and from the slipping middle class. The middle class used to be 60%. What happened. It's not like they all got rich all of a sudden. The upper middle didn't expand. But the Rich did expand. it actually didn't get any more people, it just got richer. Meanwhile, there is only X number of dollars so that money had to come from somewhere. You guessed it, it came from the shrinking middle class. Your claim that the middle class has largely just moved up is incorrect. The ones above the Middle Class remained about the same while the poverty class or lower class went up in numbers. Last time I checked, that meant that the US Economy wasn't doing as rosy red as it's claimed. But a small percentage are doing friggin fantastic.
- The middle class constitutes a slim majority of the U.S. population (52%), but that is still less than it has been in nearly half a century.
- The share of income captured by the middle class has fallen from 60% in 1970 to 43% in 2014.
- The middle class is shrinking due to an increase in population at the extreme bottom and top of the economic spectrum
You know what you have failed to post thus far? A single fact.
Yet the extreme class grows and the upper 20% grows. Where are all those middle class going? Is it mass suicide? Did they just skip all the other classes and magically appear in the top 20%? It doesn't work that way.
Again, from your own cite.
- The middle class constitutes a slim majority of the U.S. population (52%), but that is still less than it has been in nearly half a century.
- The share of income captured by the middle class has fallen from 60% in 1970 to 43% in 2014.
- The middle class is shrinking due to an increase in population at the extreme bottom and top of the economic spectrum
One more time - MORE of the middle is rising up than down. Some are going down, more is going up. You have yet to cite anything whatsoever that refutes that.
They are some moving up, yes. Some are moving down. While most are saving the same. What's happening is the range that people use for determining the rate of middle class keeps going up. So many of the middle class are actually making the same wages (wage stagnation) but they just moved from middle class to a lower bracket. If you use (and I do) the 10year old rate of 25k, In order to make things look more cheary, move the min figure (and the max figure) up 10K or more. Move it to 35K or 45K depending on the false narrative one wants to present, makes the story easier to sell.
I make about 30K a year and consider myself Middle Class. I live comfortable, own my vehicle, home, can afford to eat out generously, pay cash for almost everything, pay my bills on time, etc.. That sounds like Middle class to me. When I pass on, I will owe nothing to anyone and have a surplus that someone will have to get rid of. I may or may not have to figure out how to disperse that. But after I buy the farm, will I even care. But under the definition of Middle Class I fit securely into it. Yet according to your min of 35K and others at 45K, I am not middle class. The Middle class didn't change, you just moved the goal post to try and show a false conclusion.
I make about 30K a year
You are aware if Democrats have it there way and raise the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour
You wont be middle class anymore
You will be making minimum wage
$15x40x52= $31,200 a year
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