How’d That Work Out for You, Lefty’s?

[danielpalos]

As for the GOP working for the Middle Class, I am what's left of the Middle Class. We are slowly drifting into the poverty class. While min wage has gone up, our wages (which are higher) haven't gone up one thin dime but out cost of living has skyrocketed. Anytime you increase the Min Wage, this is what happens. The Middle Class gets nailed to the wall by the Greedy SOBs that see a way to screw everyone even more. I think that we need to place these Greedy MFers in prison using the Rico act when this happens.

Except that is false.
https://informationstation.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/AEI-Chart.png

Where’s the Middle Class Going? Up

The facts show that the middle class is NOT sinking into poverty but rising up.

23% of the working population of the US makes between 20K to 44K and are considered low income. I find that percentage wrong considering MOST of us make between those figures. Of course, this is only part of the data. Someone took the figures of just the White Males and used that data leaving out all the rest of the data. Standard funny math.

In order to just barely miss Lower Middle Class a person making 20 bucks an hour will gross 33K a year. Guess what, in most areas, that person will be eligable for some for of government assistance with a family of 4. Around here, 20 bucks an hour is top pay for most workers. Most Workers will be right around 15 bucks an hour and many lower than that. At 25,200 a year gross, they just barely miss the poverty rating. Federal Poverty Rating for a family of 4 is 21,600. At 15 an hour, like the 20 an hour, they can get public assistance (for you stupid people, that's welfare). 12.85 an hour is Poverty which gets the family of 4 full blown welfare benefits.

When you put out any Graph, it's probably done by only reporting the parts that show what makes up trying to prove your own argument. It's a lie. When you take a real look at the areas then you get a totally conflicting story. In this case, the 1% grabbed the money and the middle class got smaller considering the real middle class, until a couple of years ago started out at 25K but now it's been raised anywhere from 35K to 45K depending on who is telling the story. What's happening is, the poverty financial amount is growing until it's almost where the old Middle Class used to start. And today, there are one hell of a lot of people making just above the poverty rate.

There are more Waitresses, 7-11 clerks, Grocery Store Clerks, etc. than there are anything else. And don't forget the Hotel Maids. By moving the figures up in the chart, these people get left off the figures. Well, cupcake, they are still there. You just don't notice them. And most of them make not much more than the Poverty Income Rate but not more than the old Lower Middle Class Rate of less than 30K a year. Most make an average of about 15 bucks an hour or less. And no matter how you make your claim, those people are the majority of the workers in the US today. So when you do present your charts that say something else, it's probably a lie.

The Average Welfare Recipient takes in $35,000 a year for sitting on their ass. Imagine how much money everyone could make if we weren't supporting those assholes with our already too high taxes.

Then take the $150 Billion a year we blow on Illegal Indigents, and we could lower our taxes even more, put more money in to the economy.

Just those two things right there we could double the average salary of most Americans.

Only capital has to circulate under Capitalism.

that is why, nobody takes right wingers seriously about economics.

 

[AntonToo]

Slow your roll, if you think Democrats will simply let this go then you don't understand whats going on.

They are trying to make the strongest case they can with public testimonies of what is ALREADY in the report, but once those take place the impeachment hearings will begin for sure.

Trump commited Obstruction crimes and to simply swap it under the rug is to undermine this country for generations to come, to elevate the President above the law.

And they DID kick Barr's ass by holding him in criminal contempt. DOJ just a day ago refused to prosecute, which was of course was expected. But that needed to play out for Democrats to take the next steps. But even if they do nothing further, Barr has a black stain on his career.

"...the impeachment hearings will begin for sure."

We've been hearing that for two damn pants-shitting-in-rage years.

We get it. You're butthurt. But making liberals butthurt is not an impeachable offense.

Grow the hell up.

I’m laughing at you swampy morons that think that Trump can provably break laws and all the people will simply roll over and forget the whole thing.

Spineless Republican sheep will, but Democrats will absolutely impeach or indict this mother fucker if he loses the election. For our county’s sake he is not simply walking off this one.

/——/ Ask Mommy to kiss it and the boo boo better.
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Clinton was impeached and disbarred. It was a black stain on his presidency, even though his lies about an affair didn't come within a thousand miles of what Trump did.

"of what Trump did"? LMAO! Which is absolutely nothing anyone can prove. "I'm butt-hurt over Hillary losing" isn't a reason to impeach a President.

Moron, Obstruction acts were proven in the Special Investigator’s report.

It wasn’t Hillary that made Trump campaign members conspicuous liars and willing beneficiaries of Russian interference. It also wasn’t Hillary that made Trump a crook who can’t help himself from corruptly interfering in the justice process.

Time to stop blaming others for what the swamp creatures bring on themself.

 

[Fang]

"...the impeachment hearings will begin for sure."

We've been hearing that for two damn pants-shitting-in-rage years.

We get it. You're butthurt. But making liberals butthurt is not an impeachable offense.

Grow the hell up.

I’m laughing at you swampy morons that think that Trump can provably break laws and all the people will simply roll over and forget the whole thing.

Spineless Republican sheep will, but Democrats will absolutely impeach or indict this mother fucker if he loses the election. For our county’s sake he is not simply walking off this one.

/——/ Ask Mommy to kiss it and the boo boo better.
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Clinton was impeached and disbarred. It was a black stain on his presidency, even though his lies about an affair didn't come within a thousand miles of what Trump did.

"of what Trump did"? LMAO! Which is absolutely nothing anyone can prove. "I'm butt-hurt over Hillary losing" isn't a reason to impeach a President.

Moron, Obstruction of Justice acts were proven in the Special Investigator’s report.

It wasn’t Hillary that made Trump campaign members a willing and eager beneficiaries of Russian interference, and it wasn’t Hillary that made Trump a crook who can’t help himself from corruptly interfering in the justice process.

Time to stop blaming others for what the swamp creatures bring on themself.

There is nothing on Trump dipsh!t. That's why he won't be impeached. That's why no formal charges were brought. Hoping there is something doesn't make it so MORON. LOL Liberals. You taking anything for that TDS?

 

[FA_Q2]

As for the GOP working for the Middle Class, I am what's left of the Middle Class. We are slowly drifting into the poverty class. While min wage has gone up, our wages (which are higher) haven't gone up one thin dime but out cost of living has skyrocketed. Anytime you increase the Min Wage, this is what happens. The Middle Class gets nailed to the wall by the Greedy SOBs that see a way to screw everyone even more. I think that we need to place these Greedy MFers in prison using the Rico act when this happens.

Except that is false.
https://informationstation.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/AEI-Chart.png

Where’s the Middle Class Going? Up

The facts show that the middle class is NOT sinking into poverty but rising up.

The data is in constant 2016 dollars. It does not matter where you place the cutoff - more have risen to over 100K than have fallen below 35K.

Should you move the bar even lower then you are only going to DECREASE the number that have fallen into poverty. You are trying to state the numbers are manipulated while posting zero facts, just your conjecture.

It is rather strange that you want to place the cutoff at 25K anyway - that is not middle class at all. You really think that middle class is 12.50 an hour?

When you have 45% of the population earning less than 30K a year then I would say that middle class would fall below 30K. So the figure wouldn''t be off at starting at 25K. But to start it at 35K just isn't accurate. 35K is about 20 bucks an hour. And that's top wage around here. Most are around the 15 buck an hour range or 25K. When you are figuring middle class, it's where the largest group of people are. And the largest group of people are somewhere between the 15 to 20 buck range. So that would mean it would be between 25 to 30K a year for the middle class. By raising it to 35K you give off false data.

/——/ Good News, Daryl. You can rest easy. Here are the latest numbers on income:
“The 2018 piece from Pew reported that, in 2016, the median income for the upper-income class was $187,872. While for the middle class, it was $78,442, and for the lower class, it was $25,624 (in 2016 dollars; figures reflect a three-person household).”
Which Income Class Are You?

And it supports what I have been saying. From your very own cite.

• The middle class constitutes a slim majority of the U.S. population (52%), but that is still less than it has been in nearly half a century.
• The share of income captured by the middle class has fallen from 60% in 1970 to 43% in 2014.
• The middle class is shrinking due to an increase in population at the extreme bottom and top of the economic spectrum

Where does that extreme bottom come from? Is it magically created from a box of Lucky Charms? It has to come for somewhere. It comes from the traditional poverty (which has gone down if you believe the trumpster) and from the slipping middle class. The middle class used to be 60%. What happened. It's not like they all got rich all of a sudden. The upper middle didn't expand. But the Rich did expand. it actually didn't get any more people, it just got richer. Meanwhile, there is only X number of dollars so that money had to come from somewhere. You guessed it, it came from the shrinking middle class. Your claim that the middle class has largely just moved up is incorrect. The ones above the Middle Class remained about the same while the poverty class or lower class went up in numbers. Last time I checked, that meant that the US Economy wasn't doing as rosy red as it's claimed. But a small percentage are doing friggin fantastic.

No, it does not back your assertion. A larger portion of people are moving UP rather than down. Hard fact.

You know what you have failed to post thus far? A single fact.

Yet the extreme class grows and the upper 20% grows. Where are all those middle class going? Is it mass suicide? Did they just skip all the other classes and magically appear in the top 20%? It doesn't work that way.

Again, from your own cite.

• The middle class constitutes a slim majority of the U.S. population (52%), but that is still less than it has been in nearly half a century.
• The share of income captured by the middle class has fallen from 60% in 1970 to 43% in 2014.
• The middle class is shrinking due to an increase in population at the extreme bottom and top of the economic spectrum

And? When did I argue that the middle class was not shrinking. I specifically said that it was. Can you follow the conversation? The above does not support your statement that the middle is being lost to the poor.

One more time - MORE of the middle is rising up than down. Some are going down, more is going up. You have yet to cite anything whatsoever that refutes that.

 

[DOTR]

how did 11 hearings on Benghazi work out for you Righties ?

That **** is not president
Now is she?

that **** had the balls to testify before Congress all fucking day

Trump didn't did he.

She’s ugly enough to have balls. But she didn’t have a choice in testifying about the men she got killed. Since she wasn’t , isn’t and never will be President she had to show up. And she killed her chances for anything when she shrilly yelled “what difference does it make”.

 

[AntonToo]

I’m laughing at you swampy morons that think that Trump can provably break laws and all the people will simply roll over and forget the whole thing.

Spineless Republican sheep will, but Democrats will absolutely impeach or indict this mother fucker if he loses the election. For our county’s sake he is not simply walking off this one.

/——/ Ask Mommy to kiss it and the boo boo better.
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Clinton was impeached and disbarred. It was a black stain on his presidency, even though his lies about an affair didn't come within a thousand miles of what Trump did.

"of what Trump did"? LMAO! Which is absolutely nothing anyone can prove. "I'm butt-hurt over Hillary losing" isn't a reason to impeach a President.

Moron, Obstruction of Justice acts were proven in the Special Investigator’s report.

It wasn’t Hillary that made Trump campaign members a willing and eager beneficiaries of Russian interference, and it wasn’t Hillary that made Trump a crook who can’t help himself from corruptly interfering in the justice process.

Time to stop blaming others for what the swamp creatures bring on themself.

There is nothing on Trump dipsh!t. That's why he won't be impeached. That's why no formal charges were brought.

You don't know wtf you are talking about.

10 times Trump may have obstructed justice, according to Mueller

Impeachment in the House IS the formal charging, because as per DOJ guidelines Special Investigation was conducted under a sitting president can't be indicted.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Hardly. You scum care more about Hillary NOT GETTING ELECTED more than you care about human lives.
Own it.


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You use that as a battering ram. I was right about the trumpster. And I would have been equally right about hillary. Not having hillary is no big loss. But having the strump is a huge loss and will be felt for decades to come. At least with hillary, nothing would have changed and as bad as things are/were, it would have been business as usual. Then, maybe, the Reps would have come up with a viable candidate instead of the crap they were presenting. Now, look at the mess. Sorry, no free rides.

/—-/ You really hate Americans prospering and having a better life. Thank God we’re not saddled with some socialist quack like Bernie or Hildabeast lecturing is on how wonderful burger flipper jobs are and that a 1.5 GDP is the new norm.

Ah, feel the hate. You are looking for someone to blame your own poor life on. Newsflash: Giving strump his free passes doesn't stop the bad.

/—-/ I’m independently wealthy, retired and have a wonderful life.

And in many ways, although I probably don't have your income because I was busy paying the price for your freedom, I am also wealthy in many ways and have a wonderful like. I made a bucket list early on and I have done everything on the list. When the time comes, I'm ready. Can you say the same?

/——/ Then why are you lashing out at me?

 

[Cellblock2429]

"...the impeachment hearings will begin for sure."

We've been hearing that for two damn pants-shitting-in-rage years.

We get it. You're butthurt. But making liberals butthurt is not an impeachable offense.

Grow the hell up.

I’m laughing at you swampy morons that think that Trump can provably break laws and all the people will simply roll over and forget the whole thing.

Spineless Republican sheep will, but Democrats will absolutely impeach or indict this mother fucker if he loses the election. For our county’s sake he is not simply walking off this one.

/——/ Ask Mommy to kiss it and the boo boo better.
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Clinton was impeached and disbarred. It was a black stain on his presidency, even though his lies about an affair didn't come within a thousand miles of what Trump did.

/----/ What did Trump do besides keep Hildabest out of the White House?

Pressured FBI Director to squash investigation into Flynn.
Fired FBI Director under false pretenses.
Pressured AG to un-recuse and limit the special investigation, eventually fired him.
Ordered the firing of Special Council
Pardon dangled witnesses (Manafor, Cohen, Flynn) and ordered entry of false records.
Simply REFUSED interview with Special Council or even to answer written questions having to do with Obstruction investigation.
Shamelessly keeps lying to American public about Russians interference in our election and refusing to direct resources to defend this country from future interference.

And this is not covering even half of it.

/—-/ And none of that is illegal. I wonder how loud you’d screech if Hildabeast was sent to prison on such flimsy evidence.

 

[AntonToo]

I’m laughing at you swampy morons that think that Trump can provably break laws and all the people will simply roll over and forget the whole thing.

Spineless Republican sheep will, but Democrats will absolutely impeach or indict this mother fucker if he loses the election. For our county’s sake he is not simply walking off this one.

/——/ Ask Mommy to kiss it and the boo boo better.
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Clinton was impeached and disbarred. It was a black stain on his presidency, even though his lies about an affair didn't come within a thousand miles of what Trump did.

/----/ What did Trump do besides keep Hildabest out of the White House?

Pressured FBI Director to squash investigation into Flynn.
Fired FBI Director under false pretenses.
Pressured AG to un-recuse and limit the special investigation, eventually fired him.
Ordered the firing of Special Council
Pardon dangled witnesses (Manafor, Cohen, Flynn) and ordered entry of false records.
Simply REFUSED interview with Special Council or even to answer written questions having to do with Obstruction investigation.
Shamelessly keeps lying to American public about Russians interference in our election and refusing to direct resources to defend this country from future interference.

And this is not covering even half of it.

/—-/ And none of that is illegal. I wonder how loud you’d screech if Hildabeast was sent to prison on such flimsy evidence.

Obstruction of Justice...NOT illegal?

Is that your final answer?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

If you say a lie enough times at what time does it become the truth? Keep lying, cupcake. Mueller gave congress enough evidence to at least to spank the president badly and send a few more of his criminals to prison.

 

[Billiejeens]

If you say a lie enough times at what time does it become the truth? Keep lying, cupcake. Mueller gave congress enough evidence to at least to spank the president badly and send a few more of his criminals to prison.

You are aware that congress doesn't send anyone to prison?
Doesn't sound like it

 

[Rigby5]

All pretty border line.
Although there is lots of evidence Trump wanted to obstruct, it appears no one would let him do it, so there may not be any actual case he can be prosecuted for.

Whether or not there was Russian involvement is even less clear.
Mueller indicted members of the Russian military, but I do not believe him when he claims we know for sure who hacked the DNC email. Tracing hacking is not that easy in my opinion, because anyone can turn any other computer into a bot.
Nor is whistleblowing on the DNC debate question fraud, illegal.
The Russians would only be illegal if they gave money to be used to buy media coverage.
And I don't think that happened.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Except that is false.
https://informationstation.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/AEI-Chart.png

Where’s the Middle Class Going? Up

The facts show that the middle class is NOT sinking into poverty but rising up.

When you have 45% of the population earning less than 30K a year then I would say that middle class would fall below 30K. So the figure wouldn''t be off at starting at 25K. But to start it at 35K just isn't accurate. 35K is about 20 bucks an hour. And that's top wage around here. Most are around the 15 buck an hour range or 25K. When you are figuring middle class, it's where the largest group of people are. And the largest group of people are somewhere between the 15 to 20 buck range. So that would mean it would be between 25 to 30K a year for the middle class. By raising it to 35K you give off false data.

/——/ Good News, Daryl. You can rest easy. Here are the latest numbers on income:
“The 2018 piece from Pew reported that, in 2016, the median income for the upper-income class was $187,872. While for the middle class, it was $78,442, and for the lower class, it was $25,624 (in 2016 dollars; figures reflect a three-person household).”
Which Income Class Are You?

And it supports what I have been saying. From your very own cite.

• The middle class constitutes a slim majority of the U.S. population (52%), but that is still less than it has been in nearly half a century.
• The share of income captured by the middle class has fallen from 60% in 1970 to 43% in 2014.
• The middle class is shrinking due to an increase in population at the extreme bottom and top of the economic spectrum

Where does that extreme bottom come from? Is it magically created from a box of Lucky Charms? It has to come for somewhere. It comes from the traditional poverty (which has gone down if you believe the trumpster) and from the slipping middle class. The middle class used to be 60%. What happened. It's not like they all got rich all of a sudden. The upper middle didn't expand. But the Rich did expand. it actually didn't get any more people, it just got richer. Meanwhile, there is only X number of dollars so that money had to come from somewhere. You guessed it, it came from the shrinking middle class. Your claim that the middle class has largely just moved up is incorrect. The ones above the Middle Class remained about the same while the poverty class or lower class went up in numbers. Last time I checked, that meant that the US Economy wasn't doing as rosy red as it's claimed. But a small percentage are doing friggin fantastic.

No, it does not back your assertion. A larger portion of people are moving UP rather than down. Hard fact.

You know what you have failed to post thus far? A single fact.

Yet the extreme class grows and the upper 20% grows. Where are all those middle class going? Is it mass suicide? Did they just skip all the other classes and magically appear in the top 20%? It doesn't work that way.

Again, from your own cite.

• The middle class constitutes a slim majority of the U.S. population (52%), but that is still less than it has been in nearly half a century.
• The share of income captured by the middle class has fallen from 60% in 1970 to 43% in 2014.
• The middle class is shrinking due to an increase in population at the extreme bottom and top of the economic spectrum

And? When did I argue that the middle class was not shrinking. I specifically said that it was. Can you follow the conversation? The above does not support your statement that the middle is being lost to the poor.

One more time - MORE of the middle is rising up than down. Some are going down, more is going up. You have yet to cite anything whatsoever that refutes that.

They are some moving up, yes. Some are moving down. While most are saving the same. What's happening is the range that people use for determining the rate of middle class keeps going up. So many of the middle class are actually making the same wages (wage stagnation) but they just moved from middle class to a lower bracket. If you use (and I do) the 10year old rate of 25k, In order to make things look more cheary, move the min figure (and the max figure) up 10K or more. Move it to 35K or 45K depending on the false narrative one wants to present, makes the story easier to sell.

I make about 30K a year and consider myself Middle Class. I live comfortable, own my vehicle, home, can afford to eat out generously, pay cash for almost everything, pay my bills on time, etc.. That sounds like Middle class to me. When I pass on, I will owe nothing to anyone and have a surplus that someone will have to get rid of. I may or may not have to figure out how to disperse that. But after I buy the farm, will I even care. But under the definition of Middle Class I fit securely into it. Yet according to your min of 35K and others at 45K, I am not middle class. The Middle class didn't change, you just moved the goal post to try and show a false conclusion.

 

[Rigby5]

If you say a lie enough times at what time does it become the truth? Keep lying, cupcake. Mueller gave congress enough evidence to at least to spank the president badly and send a few more of his criminals to prison.

You are aware that congress doesn't send anyone to prison?
Doesn't sound like it

Everyone gets a trial run by the judiciary.
But Congress can remove people from office so that they lose their immunity.
They can also draw up charges I believe, because you don't want regular prosecutors having intimidating jurisdiction over members of government.
If nothing else, they have the power of a Grand Jury to fall back on.

But not only are the cases too close to call with Trump, it would violate the whole election process and not be good.
It would greatly polarize and possibly even lead to civil war.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

You use that as a battering ram. I was right about the trumpster. And I would have been equally right about hillary. Not having hillary is no big loss. But having the strump is a huge loss and will be felt for decades to come. At least with hillary, nothing would have changed and as bad as things are/were, it would have been business as usual. Then, maybe, the Reps would have come up with a viable candidate instead of the crap they were presenting. Now, look at the mess. Sorry, no free rides.

/—-/ You really hate Americans prospering and having a better life. Thank God we’re not saddled with some socialist quack like Bernie or Hildabeast lecturing is on how wonderful burger flipper jobs are and that a 1.5 GDP is the new norm.

Ah, feel the hate. You are looking for someone to blame your own poor life on. Newsflash: Giving strump his free passes doesn't stop the bad.

/—-/ I’m independently wealthy, retired and have a wonderful life.

And in many ways, although I probably don't have your income because I was busy paying the price for your freedom, I am also wealthy in many ways and have a wonderful like. I made a bucket list early on and I have done everything on the list. When the time comes, I'm ready. Can you say the same?

/——/ Then why are you lashing out at me?

I am just trying to keep you from playing the lie that many in your income level is trying to feed the majority. If you say a lie enough times does that make it the truth? It does if no one steps up and corrects you. In the end, it's still a lie.

 

[Rigby5]

The middle and lower classes are definitely moving way down.

That is easy to show by the drastic drop in home ownership.

It is actually much worse than that, since the graph ends in 2015, and home ownership now is down as low as 40%.
To put that in perspective, most of the civilized world has more like 80 or 90% home ownership.
There is no greater practical measure of financial freedom than home ownership.
It not only is essential to retirement financing, but reduces crime, builds neighborhoods, etc.

 

[Wyatt earp]

/——/ Good News, Daryl. You can rest easy. Here are the latest numbers on income:
“The 2018 piece from Pew reported that, in 2016, the median income for the upper-income class was $187,872. While for the middle class, it was $78,442, and for the lower class, it was $25,624 (in 2016 dollars; figures reflect a three-person household).”
Which Income Class Are You?

And it supports what I have been saying. From your very own cite.

• The middle class constitutes a slim majority of the U.S. population (52%), but that is still less than it has been in nearly half a century.
• The share of income captured by the middle class has fallen from 60% in 1970 to 43% in 2014.
• The middle class is shrinking due to an increase in population at the extreme bottom and top of the economic spectrum

Where does that extreme bottom come from? Is it magically created from a box of Lucky Charms? It has to come for somewhere. It comes from the traditional poverty (which has gone down if you believe the trumpster) and from the slipping middle class. The middle class used to be 60%. What happened. It's not like they all got rich all of a sudden. The upper middle didn't expand. But the Rich did expand. it actually didn't get any more people, it just got richer. Meanwhile, there is only X number of dollars so that money had to come from somewhere. You guessed it, it came from the shrinking middle class. Your claim that the middle class has largely just moved up is incorrect. The ones above the Middle Class remained about the same while the poverty class or lower class went up in numbers. Last time I checked, that meant that the US Economy wasn't doing as rosy red as it's claimed. But a small percentage are doing friggin fantastic.

No, it does not back your assertion. A larger portion of people are moving UP rather than down. Hard fact.

You know what you have failed to post thus far? A single fact.

Yet the extreme class grows and the upper 20% grows. Where are all those middle class going? Is it mass suicide? Did they just skip all the other classes and magically appear in the top 20%? It doesn't work that way.

Again, from your own cite.

• The middle class constitutes a slim majority of the U.S. population (52%), but that is still less than it has been in nearly half a century.
• The share of income captured by the middle class has fallen from 60% in 1970 to 43% in 2014.
• The middle class is shrinking due to an increase in population at the extreme bottom and top of the economic spectrum

And? When did I argue that the middle class was not shrinking. I specifically said that it was. Can you follow the conversation? The above does not support your statement that the middle is being lost to the poor.

One more time - MORE of the middle is rising up than down. Some are going down, more is going up. You have yet to cite anything whatsoever that refutes that.

They are some moving up, yes. Some are moving down. While most are saving the same. What's happening is the range that people use for determining the rate of middle class keeps going up. So many of the middle class are actually making the same wages (wage stagnation) but they just moved from middle class to a lower bracket. If you use (and I do) the 10year old rate of 25k, In order to make things look more cheary, move the min figure (and the max figure) up 10K or more. Move it to 35K or 45K depending on the false narrative one wants to present, makes the story easier to sell.

I make about 30K a year and consider myself Middle Class. I live comfortable, own my vehicle, home, can afford to eat out generously, pay cash for almost everything, pay my bills on time, etc.. That sounds like Middle class to me. When I pass on, I will owe nothing to anyone and have a surplus that someone will have to get rid of. I may or may not have to figure out how to disperse that. But after I buy the farm, will I even care. But under the definition of Middle Class I fit securely into it. Yet according to your min of 35K and others at 45K, I am not middle class. The Middle class didn't change, you just moved the goal post to try and show a false conclusion.

I make about 30K a year




You are aware if Democrats have it there way and raise the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour


You wont be middle class anymore

You will be making minimum wage

$15x40x52= $31,200 a year


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[Daryl Hunt]

If you say a lie enough times at what time does it become the truth? Keep lying, cupcake. Mueller gave congress enough evidence to at least to spank the president badly and send a few more of his criminals to prison.

You are aware that congress doesn't send anyone to prison?
Doesn't sound like it

They release them from their jobs and lets the the justice department do their jobs. But when the Justice Department won't do their jobs by order of the President, then Congress must do other means. You keep giving the Criminal in Charge free rides for deriding the justice system. So be it. But for the next few months, those free rides are going to be fewer and fewer with or without impeachment. The Justice Department must be put back on track to do the jobs they are supposed to do.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

If you say a lie enough times at what time does it become the truth? Keep lying, cupcake. Mueller gave congress enough evidence to at least to spank the president badly and send a few more of his criminals to prison.

You are aware that congress doesn't send anyone to prison?
Doesn't sound like it

Everyone gets a trial run by the judiciary.
But Congress can remove people from office so that they lose their immunity.
They can also draw up charges I believe, because you don't want regular prosecutors having intimidating jurisdiction over members of government.
If nothing else, they have the power of a Grand Jury to fall back on.

But not only are the cases too close to call with Trump, it would violate the whole election process and not be good.
It would greatly polarize and possibly even lead to civil war.

There you go again. Spread the Fear. You mean if the Congress does what it's supposed to do we will have a Civil War? Yes, that IS scary. Or could it be that a bunch of criminals will grab their guns and go wild supporting their Criminal in Charge by violence so that the rest of the sane US including Law Enforcement can put them down. Sorry, but as scary as that sounds, if it comes to pass, America will be far better off.

 

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The middle and lower classes are definitely moving way down.

That is easy to show by the drastic drop in home ownership.

It is actually much worse than that, since the graph ends in 2015, and home ownership now is down as low as 40%.
To put that in perspective, most of the civilized world has more like 80 or 90% home ownership.
There is no greater practical measure of financial freedom than home ownership.
It not only is essential to retirement financing, but reduces crime, builds neighborhoods, etc.

Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed is more cost effective and helps stabilize markets in a market friendly manner.