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Then clue me in. The Industrial Revolution certainly inaugurated a long change in agriculture and the transportation of food but there was no great famine in this country alleviated by fossil fuels at the time. And the comment that fossil fuels "WILL end hunger" in the rest of the world is simply pathetic.
That was not the claim. The claim was that the introduction of fossil fuel use in the US saved people from starving. That is not true because we were not suffering famine at the time. The claim that fossil fuels WILL end hunger is a bit of a joke. It's had over a hundred years to do so already and hasn't done shite. Third world farmers are not being denied access to fossil fuels by any "green" initiatives.Modern, efficient farming uses a lot of fossil fuels.
Ending the use of fossil fuels, today, may save a handful of lives, while killing billions.
Is that a good trade off?
And the comment that fossil fuels "WILL end hunger" in the rest of the world is simply pathetic.
If third world farmers could use half the fossil fuels our farmers use per acre, how much more food could they produce? A lot or a little?
That was not the claim. The claim was that the introduction of fossil fuel use in the US saved people from starving. That is not true because we were not suffering famine at the time. The claim that fossil fuels WILL end hunger is a bit of a joke. It's had over a hundred years to do so already and hasn't done shite. Third world farmers are not being denied access to fossil fuels by any "green" initiatives.
Reiny Days' post #16 in this threadThe claim was that the introduction of fossil fuel use in the US saved people from starving.
Link?
I am not - never have - demanded an immediate end to fossil fuel use regardless of the consequences. ASAP does not mean "this instant regardless" This is nothing but a strawman argument Todd and you know it.I know your hatred for fossil fuels blinds you, but ending the use of fossil fuels for farming
would kill billions.
It's had over a hundred years to do so already and hasn't done shite.
Powered farm equipment has increased productivity. It doesn't have to be powered with fossil fuels.Really? How productive was modern farming 100 years ago? Today?
Those who claim that if we will only relent, those third world farmers could end starvation. This particular string, Todd, was an argument with Reiny Days, not you.Third world farmers are not being denied access to fossil fuels by any "green" initiatives.
Who said they were?
I haven't heard a word about Sri Lanka recently.Go back and read what was actually posted.
And please share your thought on the green shit show that was Sri Lanka recently.
Reiny Days' post #16 in this thread
I am not - never have - demanded an immediate end to fossil fuel use regardless of the consequences. ASAP does not mean "this instant regardless" This is nothing but a strawman argument Todd and you know it.
Powered farm equipment has increased productivity. It doesn't have to be powered with fossil fuels.
Those who claim that if we will only relent, those third world farmers could end starvation. This particular string, Todd, was an argument with Reiny Days, not you.
I haven't heard a word about Sri Lanka recently.
Reiny Days' post #16 in this thread
No mention of starvation in that post.
What consequences of what action/choice/event?I am not - never have - demanded an immediate end to fossil fuel use regardless of the consequences.
Right, but you seem not to understand the consequences.
I have no objection to fertilizer made from fossil fuels. Petroleum is an enormously valuable material resource.Powered farm equipment has increased productivity.
And fertilizer made with fossil fuels.
Electricity generated by non-emitting technologies.It doesn't have to be powered with fossil fuels.
Powered with what? Biodiesel? Ethanol? Oxen? LOL!
Relent in any green agendaThose who claim that if we will only relent, those third world farmers could end starvation.
Who claimed that? If who relents? Relents to what?
You know what opinions are like.This particular string, Todd, was an argument with Reiny Days, not you.
I know. And you're losing.
Why don't you just tell me; unless it really has no bearing to the topic of this thread.I haven't heard a word about Sri Lanka recently.
Nothing in the last few years?
Reiny Days said: Burning fossil fuels here in the United States ended hunger ... and burning fossil fuels will end hunger throughout the world ... and it has been ...
What consequences of what action/choice/event?
I have no objection to fertilizer made from fossil fuels. Petroleum is an enormously valuable material resource.
Electricity generated by non-emitting technologies.
Relent in any green agenda
You know what opinions are like.
Why don't you just tell me; unless it really has no bearing to the topic of this thread.
How many have died so far from the increased fuel economy of our vehicle fleet and the introduction of significant amounts of alternative energy sources to our energy infrastructure?
Let me guess, higher vehicle fatality rate from lighter cars?How many have died so far from the increased fuel economy of our vehicle fleet
Thousands every year.
Let me guess, higher vehicle fatality rate from lighter cars?
The solution, of course, is to get rid of all the big cars.Yes.
Physics is still a thing.
The solution, of course, is to get rid of all the big cars.
..because of climate change, denier!Man are those guys going to feel dumb when everything they believe is proven wrong by colder temperatures.
Stay home. Don't answer the door. Stay off the internet.That's very helpful when a truck crashes into you.
Stay home. Don't answer the door. Stay off the internet.
Stay home. Don't answer the door. Stay off the internet.
I'm sure the families of the dead think keeping the fossil fuel industry alive and flush with taxpayer cash was worth it.I'm sure the families of the dead think the lower CO2
emissions were worth it.
I'm sure the families of the dead think keeping the fossil fuel industry alive and flush with taxpayer cash was worth it.
I'll tell you what sounds dumb Todd: someone as clever as you seem to be, being completely taken in by the self-preserving lies the fossil fuel industry has fed you DESPITE the opinions of VERY close to EVERY single expert on the fucking planet.You keep repeating that silly subsidy claim.
If sounds even dumber than the usual errors you repeat.
And it's not the fossil fuel industry pushing to make cars less safe, it's idiots like you.
I'll tell you what sounds dumb Todd: someone as clever as you seem to be, being completely taken in by the self-preserving lies the fossil fuel industry has fed you DESPITE the opinions of VERY close to EVERY single expert on the fucking planet.
