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For Americans to rise above it ALL and embrace the idea of mosque near the site of 9/11 would be one of the most stunningly noble gestures in the history of religious freedom and tolerance...
...or, put another way, Americans aren't capable of acting out the ideals their country is founded upon.
Ahhhh......but it was YOU that tried painting with the wide brush.He says of a country that just elected a black man with the middle name "Hussein".
Actually most of us didn't consider THAT a big deal. THAT was you people.
I merely aimed the bristles in the right direction for you.
*** "aren't capable of acting out the ideals their country is founded upon"***
....that all men are created equal.....
The ideals were acted upon.
Next
You're comparing electing a Christian man with a traditionally Muslim middle name to embracing the construction of a mosque near the site of 9/11. They are not comparable, except to the extent that the right thought his middle name could be used against him in a guilt by association play. The right thought, and hoped, that anti-Islamic sentiment in this country could be exploited to take votes away from Barack Obama.
For Americans to rise above it ALL and embrace the idea of mosque near the site of 9/11 would be one of the most stunningly noble gestures in the history of religious freedom and tolerance...
...or, put another way, Americans aren't capable of acting out the ideals their country is founded upon.
Where is your concern for the 'ideals' of the muslims who are installing a mosque in this location whenever they know that it will cause pain to many who live in that area and were traumatized by the muslim attack against their neighbors and friends?
For Americans to rise above it ALL and embrace the idea of mosque near the site of 9/11 would be one of the most stunningly noble gestures in the history of religious freedom and tolerance...
...or, put another way, Americans aren't capable of acting out the ideals their country is founded upon.
Where is your concern for the 'ideals' of the muslims who are installing a mosque in this location whenever they know that it will cause pain to many who live in that area and were traumatized by the muslim attack against their neighbors and friends?
I don't expect traumatized people to think and act rationally. And I don't fault them for that.
Nice deflection of my point.
You're comparing electing a Christian man with a traditionally Muslim middle name to embracing the construction of a mosque near the site of 9/11. They are not comparable, except to the extent that the right thought his middle name could be used against him in a guilt by association play. The right thought, and hoped, that anti-Islamic sentiment in this country could be exploited to take votes away from Barack Obama.
I just like to think that America, as a whole, is more accepting than you gave U.S. credit for in your post, s'all.
Whose money will be paying for this 'community center', anyway?
(serious question)
You're comparing electing a Christian man with a traditionally Muslim middle name to embracing the construction of a mosque near the site of 9/11. They are not comparable, except to the extent that the right thought his middle name could be used against him in a guilt by association play. The right thought, and hoped, that anti-Islamic sentiment in this country could be exploited to take votes away from Barack Obama.
I just like to think that America, as a whole, is more accepting than you gave U.S. credit for in your post, s'all.
Whose money will be paying for this 'community center', anyway?
(serious question)
I was pointing out how much higher our professed ideals are than we sometimes think they are.
Where is your concern for the 'ideals' of the muslims who are installing a mosque in this location whenever they know that it will cause pain to many who live in that area and were traumatized by the muslim attack against their neighbors and friends?
I don't expect traumatized people to think and act rationally. And I don't fault them for that.
Why don't you expect the mulims to respect the feelings of the neighborhood they are trying to move into? Why is it okay for them to disrespect others without drawing your criticism?
I don't expect traumatized people to think and act rationally. And I don't fault them for that.
Why don't you expect the mulims to respect the feelings of the neighborhood they are trying to move into? Why is it okay for them to disrespect others without drawing your criticism?
Because it is not the responsibility of American Muslims who are not terrorists to behave like they are.
Hypocrisy check?
How many here have thought that blacks who are offended by monuments to the Confederacy, and various other sympathetic symbols to the same,
should get over it?
Why don't you expect the mulims to respect the feelings of the neighborhood they are trying to move into? Why is it okay for them to disrespect others without drawing your criticism?
Because it is not the responsibility of American Muslims who are not terrorists to behave like they are.
So, they don't have to have tolerance or respect for their neighbor's feelings then? Only everyone else? Why is that?
Hypocrisy check?
How many here have thought that blacks who are offended by monuments to the Confederacy, and various other sympathetic symbols to the same,
should get over it?
Can't answer my question?
Because it is not the responsibility of American Muslims who are not terrorists to behave like they are.
So, they don't have to have tolerance or respect for their neighbor's feelings then? Only everyone else? Why is that?
All of America was impacted by 9/11. By your logic, all mosques represent, to at least some extent, symbols of disrespect of their neighbors' feelings.
Where do you want to draw the line? How big do you want the circles of disrespect-free zones to be? Where do you want them drawn?
Hypocrisy check?
How many here have thought that blacks who are offended by monuments to the Confederacy, and various other sympathetic symbols to the same,
should get over it?
Can't answer my question?
I am not temporally ambidextrous. My post above was at 1046. Your question was at 1046.
Calm down.
Ahhhh......but it was YOU that tried painting with the wide brush.
I merely aimed the bristles in the right direction for you.
*** "aren't capable of acting out the ideals their country is founded upon"***
....that all men are created equal.....
The ideals were acted upon.
Not by the people who are calling for ending religious freedom by limiting where religious institutions can be located.
Damn you're a stupid piece of shit. And a liar.
NO ONE is saying anyone should prevent this. We are saying they should CHOOSE of their OWN accord to show some tact and understanding and not build it. We are saying that if they were sincere about wanting to mend fences they would absolutely not do this.
You do realize that if the Iranian government says jump the Iranians jump.... or die, don't you?
You're really reaching on this one. Why is it so hard to accept that just maybe some Muslims are good people?
I accept that some Muslims are good people. Why won't you admit that most ME Muslims are BAD people?
Yep, you're right. IF the vast majority of Muslims around the world didn't feel that way you could EASILY find a video of some deploring it. And don't give me that crap about " I don't bother with videos."
So, basically - you're saying you are going to ignore a whole bunch of written quotes and statements from Muslims deploring it because it isn't a video?
Is literacy an issue here?
No, quite honestly I have an 18 month old in my lap and just overlooked your links. I just now noticed them. I have never denied that SOME Muslims decried the attack, but the evidence seems to back up my claim that MOST were thrilled .
Where is your concern for the 'ideals' of the muslims who are installing a mosque in this location whenever they know that it will cause pain to many who live in that area and were traumatized by the muslim attack against their neighbors and friends?
I don't expect traumatized people to think and act rationally. And I don't fault them for that.
Why don't you expect the mulims to respect the feelings of the neighborhood they are trying to move into? Why is it okay for them to disrespect others without drawing your criticism?
I think you would have to admit that the Media is guilty of making it appear to be the case. The News Media sells news... typically bad news sells. No one in America gets riled up (and thus watching the news for the next "affront") at seeing Muslims decry terror, but Americans sure get pissed at seeing them celebrate the attacks on 9/11. If seeing Muslims decry 9/11 got people watching the news, you would see it. Since it doesn't sell news, you ain't gonna see it.
Immie
Thousands of Muslims protested in the streets of Tehran AGAINST the attacks, back in 2001.
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iran's gulf of misunderstanding with US
And like I said, did we in America hear about it from the American Media? I don't recall having heard about these protests.
It doesn't sell news in America so it doesn't get played on the Nightly News, but a hundred or so Palestinians in (I don't remember where that video was taken) who did celebrate the attacks and burned American flags (if I am not mistaken) were on the news for weeks.
Immie
