I am beginning to think having 300 million +guns in the country isn't working out...

[DigitalDrifter]

So again, just in case the OP missed this:

(1) Jan. 3: East Olive Elementary School in St. John, Michigan: A man standing in the school’s parking lot called 911 saying he was suicidal. He spoke with a county official for several hours on the phone, according to local media, but ultimately shot himself and died from a single gunshot wound.

(2) Jan. 4: New Start High School in Seattle, Washington: Two shots were fired at the school from outside the bu...ilding. No students were injured.

(3) Jan. 6: School bus in Forest City, Iowa: A 32-year-old man fired a pellet gun at a school bus, shattering one of the windows. No students were injured.

(4) Jan. 10: California State University in San Bernardino, California: At least one shot was fired, shattering one classroom window. No students were injured.

(5) Jan. 10: Grayson College in Denison, Texas: A student confused a training weapon with a real one and fired a bullet through a classroom wall. No students were injured.

(6) Jan. 10: Coronado Elementary School in Sierra Vista, Arizona: A 14-year-old died in a school bathroom from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

(7) Jan. 15: Wiley College in Marshall, Texas: Two people in a car exchanged gunfire with a person in a dormitory parking lot. No one was injured, but a bullet was fired into a dorm room with three female students inside.

(8) Jan. 20: Wake Forest University in Winston-Salem, North Carolina: Following an argument, a 21-year-old Winston-Salem University student was shot and killed during a sorority event at Wake Forest University.

(9) Jan. 22: Italy High School in Italy, Texas: A 16-year-old boy shot a 15-year-old girl in the cafeteria. He was arrested and she was airlifted to a hospital, where she was “in good spirits” as of Tuesday.

(10) Jan. 22: NET Charter High School in New Orleans, Louisiana: Someone driving by the school fired on a group of students in the parking lot. Only one boy was injured.

(11) Jan. 23: Marshall County High School in Benton, Kentucky: A 15-year-old boy opened fire inside the school, killing two and injuring 16.

 

[Flash]

The NRA is not pro-gun enough you silly bastard. LOL

Luckily gun nuts like you are only about 20% at most. Loudmouth idiots who want machine guns... 80% Want good background checks and no bump stocks or automatic weapons...

Prior to the Vegas shooting 80% of the people didn't know what a bump stock was.

But they knew that guns were killing people.

No kidding, I would have thought people kill people. Don't ya just hate when you go to clean your gun and you find out it went out to kill someone.

"People kill people" is such a bullshit defence. If "people kill people" then the murder rates in the civilised world would be similar. Of course they arent and the US is way out there. Because of your shit gun laws.

Actually people do kill people. That is why murder rates and gun crime are disproportionately higher in Democrat controlled minority shithole cities with strict gun control than it is in more heartland America with lax gun control laws.

There are occasionally exceptions but generally Hearland America with extensive gun ownership is just as safe and crime free and any place in the civilized world with strict gun control laws. However, our inner city shiholes with Blacks, Browns, welfare queens and drugs are where the great majority of the gun crimes take place and most of those areas have very strict gun control laws.

If any country in the world wants to brag about having gun control and lower murder rates all they have to do is import a bunch of our inner city Blacks or our other miniories. Their silly gun control laws will not protect them against the gun crimes that will happen once the Blacks show up.

Liberals are always confused about this. Gun control laws don't stop crime. That is only a silly Liberal myth just like other stupid Liberal myths like higher taxation creates prosperity or that a human fetus is not really human.

 

[dudmuck]

Hillary Lost

Guns save more lives, than Lunatic Liberals take with them.

Crooked Hillary ran on a platform to demonize the NRA and to impose new gun restrictions and she go her fat ass schlonged by The Donald who was endorsed by the NRA.

The stupid Moon Bats have a hard time learning lessons like that. That is why they have lost over 1,000 national seats, Congress and the presidency.

Maybe on Democratunderground gun control flies and the anti gun nuts are the majority but not in real America.

I am the NRA and I vote. These stupid Moon Bats need to understand that unreasonable gun control is a losing issue nationwide. It only is an issue in the commie states.

aint great that russia has infiltrated the NRA.

The funny thing is that there are actually some stupid Moon Bats that believe that silly shit. The same idiots that voted for Crooked Hillary that sold 20% of our uranium to the Russians for millions to her money laundering foundation.

That Uranium One has been debunked in fact check.

On the otherhand, can you prove that Russia hasnt funded Trump via the NRA?

No.....in fact there was an 11 count indictment handed out just last year........Uranium One is just being looked at for real....

You've gotten a false rating on that one.
No evidence that the kickback scheme that defrauded Tenex overlapped with Rosatom’s efforts to buy Uranium One.

 

[Rustic]

The NRA is not pro-gun enough you silly bastard. LOL

Luckily gun nuts like you are only about 20% at most. Loudmouth idiots who want machine guns... 80% Want good background checks and no bump stocks or automatic weapons...

Prior to the Vegas shooting 80% of the people didn't know what a bump stock was.

But they knew that guns were killing people.

No kidding, I would have thought people kill people. Don't ya just hate when you go to clean your gun and you find out it went out to kill someone.

"People kill people" is such a bullshit defence. If "people kill people" then the murder rates in the civilised world would be similar. Of course they arent and the US is way out there. Because of your shit gun laws.

Other peoples firearm ownership is none of your fucking business, Go back to your mothers basement

 

[2aguy]

Crooked Hillary ran on a platform to demonize the NRA and to impose new gun restrictions and she go her fat ass schlonged by The Donald who was endorsed by the NRA.

The stupid Moon Bats have a hard time learning lessons like that. That is why they have lost over 1,000 national seats, Congress and the presidency.

Maybe on Democratunderground gun control flies and the anti gun nuts are the majority but not in real America.

I am the NRA and I vote. These stupid Moon Bats need to understand that unreasonable gun control is a losing issue nationwide. It only is an issue in the commie states.

aint great that russia has infiltrated the NRA.

The funny thing is that there are actually some stupid Moon Bats that believe that silly shit. The same idiots that voted for Crooked Hillary that sold 20% of our uranium to the Russians for millions to her money laundering foundation.

That Uranium One has been debunked in fact check.

On the otherhand, can you prove that Russia hasnt funded Trump via the NRA?

No.....in fact there was an 11 count indictment handed out just last year........Uranium One is just being looked at for real....

You've gotten a false rating on that one.
No evidence that the kickback scheme that defrauded Tenex overlapped with Rosatom’s efforts to buy Uranium One.

Keep telling yourself that......

 

[August West]

How many shootings in schools is that 11 in 23 days? Great job!

Explain how guns will be banned

You are the one talking about banning guns so you tell us how they will be banned.

 

[Rustic]

I wonder what level of killings there would have to be before the gun nuts would consider any form of control ?

People kill people firearms do not, we have no criminal control in this country. Shit for brains

 

[Rustic]

But they knew that guns were killing people.

No gun has ever killed anyone, ever! Until you get that straight, there is no point in dicussing this.

If I push you off a cliff where you to your death, did the ground kill you? Gravity?

If you willfully jump off that cliff and fall to your death, did the ground kill you?

Oh please with the fucking NRA soundbites.

We've already done that PEOPLE WITH GUNS kill more easily than people without guns. Why the fuck do we have to go back to "no gun has ever killed anyone" like you're talking to some uneducated redneck?

Look.

In the US 140 police officers, all of them presumably armed, were killed in the line of duty. If this had been the UK, the same rate would have seen 28 police officers killed in the line of duty. In the UK where most police officers are not armed, zero police officers were killed in the line of duty.

You have to go back to October 1999 to have seen 28 police officers killed in the line of duty. 19 years. So, a police officer in the US is 19 times more likely to get killed in the line of duty than a British officer.

On top of this only six of these officers were shot, in 19 years.

2016

67 (of my count is right) were killed by gunfire. That's about half.

Now, people claim that a person is safer with a gun because they can defend themselves. But clearly these police officers have guns, they can defend themselves, and yet 67 of them were killed by people with guns. Others were killed due to other events.
In the UK this was 6 in 19 years, the US 67 in one years by guns.

Who do guns save?

Forcible rape rate in the U.S. in 2016, by state | Statistic

Alaska has the highest rape rate in the US. It appears to be nearly double the next rate. They have guns in Alaska right?

Here's where you're most likely to own a gun

61.75 of Alaskans own guns. So why do they have such a high rate of rape if these guns are protecting them?

Highest rate of gun ownership and highest rape rate. Doesn't add up.

Idaho has the second highest rate of gun ownership and is in the top half of states for rape statistics.

New Jersey has the lowest rape rate in the country and the third lowest gun ownership in the country.

These are the facts. You're just coming at me with soundbites.

Blah blah blah

You still don't get the point.

You will never stop murder or mass murder, or any other crime by passing more laws and restricting freedom. All you will do is take guns waya from law-abiding and leave them defenseless against criminals, the biggest criminal being the fucking government. See my signature quote.

it is pointless to try and convince me with a bunch of statistics. that does not matter.

more guns, not less. Machine guns for everyone, including children.

End of discussion.

"Blah blah blah"? How fucking old are you?

No, you will never stop murder from happening. We're not talking about STOPPING murder from happening, but reducing it.

The US has 4 times more murder than the rest of the first world and your response is basically "if you can't stop all murders, then don't bother trying." Oh, wonderful.

But you can stop some murders by restricting firearms.

So, in the UK citizens are defenseless against the criminals, the police are defenseless against the criminals, and they don't die. Other crimes are at about similar levels.

I have no doubt that facts, statistics, logic, etc won't work on people like you. I've seen hundreds and hundreds of posters like you ignore reality.

We have no criminal control in this country

 

[Rustic]

How many shootings in schools is that 11 in 23 days? Great job!

Explain how guns will be banned

After you explain why 11 school shootings in 23 days doesn't bother you.

Frivolous gun control laws will not save a single soul. Shit for brains

 

[Rustic]

Why don't the voters actually vote for THE PEOPLE rather than for the rich people?

The choice we had in the last election was a crazy, nacissist asshole obsesed with power verses a crazy, narcissit asshole obsessed with power.

That's all we ever get. We MUST have the power to resist. It is the only way narcissists remain in check.

Well, there is no way armed citizens can fight the military, you say?

That is why we need...



FUCKING MACHINE GUNS!!!

The problem here is that in September the Germans went to the polls, and they had a choice between many parties, and if they voted for one of these parties, their vote would count.

Amazing what actual democracy can do.

This is supposed to be a republic not a shit eating democracy you stupid motherfucker

 

[Rustic]

Guns keep us safe

With 300 million guns out there, we should be very safe

Most of America is absolutely safe, except progressive controlled urban areas... lol

 

[2aguy]

How many shootings in schools is that 11 in 23 days? Great job!

Explain how guns will be banned

You are the one talking about banning guns so you tell us how they will be banned.

This is the start......repealing the Lawful Commerce in Arms act....

Articles: Hillary: Impose Gun Control by Judicial Fiat



Hillary’s focus on repealing the PLCAA seems strange: it’s been on the books for eleven years, it was passed by 2-1 bipartisan majorities (65-31 Senate, 283-144 House), and every suit it has blocked is one that should never have been filed. Yet oppose it Hillary does. Her campaign webpage proposes to “Take on the gun lobby by removing the industry’s sweeping legal protection for illegal and irresponsible actions (which makes it almost impossible for people to hold them accountable), and revoking licenses from dealers who break the law.” She told the Bridgeport News that “as president, I would lead the charge to repeal this law.” In Iowa, she called the PLCAA “one of the most egregious, wrong, pieces of legislation that ever passed the Congress.”

But, even given her anti-gun beliefs, why does Hillary place so high a priority on repealing some eleven-year-old statute?

The papers found in her husband’s presidential archives in Little Rock show why the lawsuits that the PLCAA stopped were so important to his anti-gun plans. A January 2000 question and answer document, probably meant to prepare Bill Clinton for a press conference, asks about his involvement in the lawsuits against the gun industry. It suggests as an answer that he “intends to engage the gun industry in negotiations” to “achieve meaningful reforms to the way the gun industry does business.” The memo suggests he close with “We want real reforms that will improve the public safety and save lives.”

This is noteworthy: the Clinton White House did not see the lawsuits’ purpose as winning money, but as a means to pressure the gun industry into adopting the Clinton “reforms.” What might those reforms have been?

The Clinton Presidential Archives answered that question, too. In December 1999, the “Office of the Deputy Secretary” (presumably of Treasury) had sent a fax to the fax line for Clinton’s White House Domestic Policy Council. The fax laid out a proposed settlement of the legal cases. The terms were very well designed. They would have given the antigun movements all the victories that it had been unable to win in Congress over the past twenty years! Moreover, the terms would be imposed by a court order, not by a statute. That meant that any violation could be prosecuted as a contempt of court, by the parties to the lawsuit rather than by the government. A future Congress could not repeal the judgment, and a future White House could not block its enforcement. The settlement would have a permanent existence outside the democratic process.

The terms were extensive and drastic:

Gun manufacturers must stop producing firearms (rifle, pistol, or shotguns) that could accept detachable magazines holding more than ten rounds. In practice, since there is no way to design a detachable-magazine firearm that cannot take larger magazines, this would mean ceasing production of all firearms with detachable magazines. No more semiauto handguns.

The manufacturers would be required to stop production of magazines holding more than ten rounds.

Manufacturers must also stop production of firearms with polymer frames. All handguns made must meet importation standards (long barrels, target sights, etc.).

After five years, manufacturers must produce nothing but “smart guns” (that is, using “authorized user technology”).

But those conditions were just the beginning. The next requirement was the key to regulating all licensed firearms dealers, as well. The manufacturers must agree to sell only to distributors and dealers who agreed to comply with the standards set for distributors and dealers. Thus dealers would were not parties to the lawsuits would be forced to comply, upon pain of being unable to buy inventory.

The dealers in turn must agree:

They’d make no sales at gun shows, and no sales over internet.

They’d hold their customers to one-gun-a-month, for all types of guns, not just handguns.

They would not sell used or new magazines holding more than ten rounds.

They would not sell any firearm that fell within the definitions of the 1994 “assault weapon ban,” even if the ban expired.

They must prove they have a minimum inventory of each manufacturers’ product, and that they derive a majority of their revenue from firearms or sporting equipment sales. No more small town hardware store dealers, and no more WalMarts with gun sections.

The manufacturers would be required to pay for a “monitor,” a person to make sure the settlement was enforced. The monitor would create a “sales data clearinghouse,” to which the manufacturers, distributors, and dealers must report each gun sale, thus creating a registration system, outside of the government and thus not covered by the Privacy Act.

The monitor would have the authority to hire investigators, inspect dealer records without notice, and to “conduct undercover sting operations.” The monitor would thus serve as a private BATFE, without the legal restrictions that bind that agency, and paid for by the gun industry itself.

The manufacturers must cut off any dealer who failed to comply, and whenever BATFE traced a gun to a dealer, the dealer would be presumed guilty unless he could prove himself innocent. (BATFE encourages police departments to trace every firearm that comes into their hands, including firearms turned in, lost and found, and recovered from thieves. As a result, it performs over 300,000 traces a year. Thus, this term would lead to many dealers being cut off and forced to prove their innocence on a regular basis).

Gun registration, one gun a month, magazines limited to ten rounds, no Glocks, no guns with detachable magazines (in effect, no semiauto handguns), no dealers at gun shows, an “assault weapon ban” in perpetuity, no internet sales. In short, the movement to restrict gun owners would have achieved, in one stroke, every objective it had labored for over the years -- indeed, it would have achieved some that (a ban on semiauto handguns) that were so bold it had never dared to propose them. All this would be achieved without the messy necessity of winning a majority vote in Congress.

 

[rightwinger]

The way I look at it is not enough guns

Right now, with 300 million guns we get 30,000 gun deaths a year
If we had 600 million guns, nobody would be killed

 

[2aguy]

How many shootings in schools is that 11 in 23 days? Great job!

Explain how guns will be banned

You are the one talking about banning guns so you tell us how they will be banned.

Next comes left wing judges who gut the 2nd Amendment......like the 4th Circuit Court of appeals...


The Conspiracy To Dismember Heller

The consequences of the ruling cannot be overstated. In essence, the 4th Circuit has contrived a brand-new constitutional “test,” the practical effect of which is the removal of Second Amendment protection from any firearm that a judge happens not to like.

In Heller, the Supreme Court took three related positions:

First, that firearms “in common use” may not be banned;

second, that while “dangerous” arms may be regulated, only those that are “unusual” in addition are eligible for prohibition; and

third, that a government may not ban certain types of guns on the understanding that other types remain available.

In a follow-up case, Caetano v. Massachusetts, Justice Samuel Alito stated in his concurrence that “the relative dangerousness of a weapon is irrelevant when the weapon belongs to a class of arms commonly used for lawful purposes.”


Disgracefully, the 4th Circuit ignored all these prescriptions—which it was duty-bound to follow—electing instead to devise its own rule: that if a weapon is “most useful in military service,” it enjoys no constitutional protection.

In so doing, the court thumbed its nose at its superiors and quietly rewrote the law for millions of Americans.

 

[Rustic]

It really doesn’t matter anyway, because Trump will be able to appoint two maybe three Supreme Court justices, he will never sign anything frivolous gun-control laws and Congress will never pass any frivolous gun control laws. Fact
So to hell with your European gun control law ideas they suck ass

 

[Rustic]

The way I look at it is not enough guns

Right now, with 300 million guns we get 30,000 gun deaths a year
If we had 600 million guns, nobody would be killed

We have much bigger fish to fry take your pick… Fuck face
2018 Real Time Death Statistics in America

 

[2aguy]

The way I look at it is not enough guns

Right now, with 300 million guns we get 30,000 gun deaths a year
If we had 600 million guns, nobody would be killed

And, of course, you didn't tell the truth...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...

-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

And then you continue to lie.....by not explaining what "Gun Deaths" actually means....

Gun suicide..

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2016
Gun suicide

22,938


========================

Gun Accidental death.....
2016:
495

==================

Gun murder ( 70-80% of the victims of gun murder are actual criminals, not law abiding people)

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8


2015--

9,616

=======================

Suicide
...even though Japan, Korea, China, all have absolute gun control for law abiding citizens...only criminals and cops can have guns.......and they have higher suicide rates than we do....and our non-gun suicide rate has been higher than our gun suicide rate for 2 years in a row.....

Gun Accidental Death...

Gun accidents....in a country with over 320,000,000 people...... with 400,000,000 guns in private hands, and over 15,700,000 people carrying guns for self defense..... 489 accidental gun deaths....

Gun murder
Of the 9,616 gun murders in this country, 70-80% of the victims are criminals, engaged in criminal activity or part of the criminal life style....and of the remaining victims....many of them are friends and family of the criminal...caught up in the criminal's lifestyle.....

 

[rightwinger]

Guns keep us safe

With 300 million guns out there, we should be very safe

Most of America is absolutely safe, except progressive controlled urban areas... lol

Red states Louisiana and Mississippi are number one and two in murder rates

FBI ranks Mississippi No. 2 for homicides

 

[rightwinger]

The way I look at it is not enough guns

Right now, with 300 million guns we get 30,000 gun deaths a year
If we had 600 million guns, nobody would be killed

And, of course, you didn't tell the truth...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...

-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

And then you continue to lie.....by not explaining what "Gun Deaths" actually means....

Gun suicide..

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2016
Gun suicide

22,938


========================

Gun Accidental death.....
2016:
495

==================

Gun murder ( 70-80% of the victims of gun murder are actual criminals, not law abiding people)

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8


2015--

9,616

=======================

Suicide
...even though Japan, Korea, China, all have absolute gun control for law abiding citizens...only criminals and cops can have guns.......and they have higher suicide rates than we do....and our non-gun suicide rate has been higher than our gun suicide rate for 2 years in a row.....

Gun Accidental Death...

Gun accidents....in a country with over 320,000,000 people...... with 400,000,000 guns in private hands, and over 15,700,000 people carrying guns for self defense..... 489 accidental gun deaths....

Gun murder
Of the 9,616 gun murders in this country, 70-80% of the victims are criminals, engaged in criminal activity or part of the criminal life style....and of the remaining victims....many of them are friends and family of the criminal...caught up in the criminal's lifestyle.....

You tell em

300 million guns is not enough
Only way to end murder is to get 600 million guns!

 

[Rustic]

Guns keep us safe

With 300 million guns out there, we should be very safe

Most of America is absolutely safe, except progressive controlled urban areas... lol

Red states Louisiana and Mississippi are number one and two in murder rates

FBI ranks Mississippi No. 2 for homicides

Only in progressive controlled urban areas