I am beginning to think having 300 million +guns in the country isn't working out...

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Why don't the voters actually vote for THE PEOPLE rather than for the rich people?

The choice we had in the last election was a crazy, nacissist asshole obsesed with power verses a crazy, narcissit asshole obsessed with power.

That's all we ever get. We MUST have the power to resist. It is the only way narcissists remain in check.

Well, there is no way armed citizens can fight the military, you say?

That is why we need...



FUCKING MACHINE GUNS!!!

The problem here is that in September the Germans went to the polls, and they had a choice between many parties, and if they voted for one of these parties, their vote would count.

Amazing what actual democracy can do.

Then, vote libertarian from now on.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Why don't the voters actually vote for THE PEOPLE rather than for the rich people?

The choice we had in the last election was a crazy, nacissist asshole obsesed with power verses a crazy, narcissit asshole obsessed with power.

That's all we ever get. We MUST have the power to resist. It is the only way narcissists remain in check.

Well, there is no way armed citizens can fight the military, you say?

That is why we need...



FUCKING MACHINE GUNS!!!

The problem here is that in September the Germans went to the polls, and they had a choice between many parties, and if they voted for one of these parties, their vote would count.

Amazing what actual democracy can do.

Then, vote libertarian from now on.

They don't support Proportional Representation.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

They don't support Proportional Representation.

I don't hate PR, but I don't see how we can get there. Nobody wants to do the hard thing and do a con con.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Changing the political system would have to be number one, because with the current group of fuckheads in the Democrat and Republican parties having been bought by the rich, then nothing will ever change in the interests of the people.

And, if the current group of fuckheads don't want to change or if they want to continue to fuck us over, what remedy do we have?

Voting?

At some point, the government or political elite must behave or be focibly removed. How can we the people do that?

Actually they can be removed with voting. It just takes the voters to pull their heads out of their asses and do something.

Do you know how many Americans know what Proportional Representation is? Not many. Maybe 1%. Or maybe those who know what it is know how dangerous it is to their ability to be able to buy Congress.

Why don't the voters actually vote for THE PEOPLE rather than for the rich people?

Pelosi is worth $200 million. If you are voting Democrat because you hate rich people, you are being duped.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

How many shootings in schools is that 11 in 23 days? Great job!

Explain how guns will be banned

After you explain why 11 school shootings in 23 days doesn't bother you.

Everyone is against mass shootings.
Banning guns will not stop them. It would only disarm the shooting victims.
People want the ability to defend themselves and they have the basic human right to self defense.
OK, now it's your turn.

 

[rightwinger]

Guns keep us safe

With 300 million guns out there, we should be very safe

 

[2aguy]

How many shootings in schools is that 11 in 23 days? Great job!

Name them......of course, those are all gun free zones...there are laws that you guys wanted that say you can't bring your legal gun into a school zone...and now that it fails, since evil people ignore your laws, no one is there to stop them when they bring their illegally carried guns there to murder people....

mass shooters target gun free zones...schools are gun free zones with young people as targets......the best of both worlds for evil people.....and you guys make it easier for them...


On the other side of the ledger, the good side...as More Americans now own and actually carry guns...our crime rates have gone down, not up......

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

Explain how guns will be banned

Will be or could be? I don't know the future but there are a lot of ways firearms could be controlled. Legislation could be passed severely restricting the ownership of handguns and military style semi automatics. Carry of long guns in an urban setting could effectively be prohibited.

All of those laws are already in place and ignored by mass shooters...since they can pass any law you create since they have committed no crime.......

Nothing you guys propose to "restrict ownership" actually works.......considering you target people who won't use their legally owned guns for crime.....

 

[2aguy]

How many shootings in schools is that 11 in 23 days? Great job!

It depends who's looking. The rich kids aren't getting shot at, so it's okay. As long as only poor and middle class kids are dying, who gives a fuck? So, one potential worker bee dies, well, there are loads more out there.

No...that is the policy of democrats in democrat cities......the rich democrats protect their families, and only care about poor kids every 2 years in elections...the shooting galleries run by democrats show this....

 

[2aguy]

While ever the NRA owns the Republicans this carnage will continue.

Again with the NRA....the NRA trains police, teaches gun safety to adults and kids...the real vile human beings are the democrats who fight to put violent gun offenders back on our streets.....because they want the violence for their election cycles.........notice who is fighting to keep the actual violent criminals off the streets and which political party is fighting to put them back outside....


California Democrats hate the gun, not the gunman – Orange County Register

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

I say this because, once they finally took a break from preaching about the benefits of stricter gun control, the state Senate voted to loosen sentencing guidelines for criminals convicted of gun crimes.

Currently, California law requires anyone who uses a gun while committing a felony to have their sentence increased by 10 years or more in prison — on top of the normal criminal penalty. If enacted, Senate Bill 620 would eliminate that mandate.

The bill, which passed on a 22-14 party-line vote, with support only from Democrats, now heads to the state Assembly for consideration.

Republicans and the National Rifle Association have vowed to campaign against it.

Why have Democrats suddenly developed a soft spot for criminals convicted of gun crimes? The bill’s author, state Sen. Steve Bradford, D-Gardena, says that he was motivated to write the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison, even though he claims that he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger.

and for all those anti-gunners who want to know where criminals get guns....well...this law lowers the prison time for those who give guns to criminals.....

Why is that?

Prop. 57, for example, very deceptively and fundamentally changed the definition of what constitutes a “non-violent” offense.


supplying a firearm to a gang member,

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felon obtaining a firearm,

discharging a firearm on school grounds

 

[2aguy]

While ever the NRA owns the Republicans this carnage will continue.

The democrats also put this killer back on the street...

The democrat prosecutor let this monster loose.......

But Democrat State’s Attorney Julia Reitz cut a deal to let Robbie Patton, a sociopathic predator who will never contribute anything but sewage and sadness to our society, avoid serving hard time for attempted murder.

It’s true. Bad guys in prison don’t victimize the innocent. Florida had proven success with 10-20-Life sentencing enhancements for the use of a firearmwhile committing a violent crime. A court struck down the law in 2016. Under the law, Florida’s firearmviolent crime rate plummeted to the lowest levels in the Sunshine State’s recorded history.


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John Boch: Lock Them Up! - The Truth About Guns

When you lock up violent criminals, you prevent them from victimizing other innocents. Crime in America dipped almost 50%after America abandoned “soft on crime” attitudes of the 1970s. Of course, many soft-on-crime politicians like Reitz have once more taken a love to “diversion” programs. And that’s how we get Robbie Patton (above), a local crime celebrity of sorts.

In 2015, he had an altercation at a Champaign Steak ‘n Shake restaurant commonly frequented by my friends and me. While none of us were enjoying a milkshake or steakburger at 5:30pm, Robbie was.

Robbie found himself in an altercation inside the restaurant. He felt one of his friends had been “disrespected”, so little Robbie went outside. He waited for the other group to emerge, pulled out of gun and tried to kill those other people.

He missed, and fled the scene with an Illinois State Trooper in hot pursuit. After a short, high-speed chase in a stolen car, Robbie crashed and escaped on foot.

Cops caught up with him. Local prosecutor Julia Reitz then went soft on little Robbie. She let him go to “boot camp”, even though that sentencing option is not supposed to be available for violent offenders. And squeezing off a bunch of shots at other people, trying to kill them, pretty much fits the bill as a violent crime.

After serving eight months on an eight-year sentence, Robbie returned to the streets of Champaign-Urbana. In less than two days, cops arrested him again for drugs and who knows what else. Not even three weeks after that, he’s illegally got agun. When someone “disrespects” another one of Robbie’s friends, guess what he does? He pulls out the gun and fires shots at those he believes responsible.




He misses his intended targets, but in the busy University of Illinois campustown district, his errant, not-so-late-night rounds found four innocent people within a block or two. George Korchev, the recent nursing school graduate due to start his career as a registered nurse at a hospital in Libertyville, IL, the following Monday morning, was struck and killed a blockaway from one of Robbie’s bullets.

 

[2aguy]

How many shootings in schools is that 11 in 23 days? Great job!

CCR sang "200 million guns are loaded" fifty years ago and we had virtually no school shootings then. Obviously the guns aren't the issue.

According to this there were less than 100 million in 1970
GUN WATCH: Firearms Numbers in the United States 1945 - 2012

And as more guns are put in American hands our crime rates have gone down.....not up...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

Don't we have laws against carrying bags of heroin and cocaine on the books? How is that working out???

They are confiscated when found. Apart from which, firearms are a lot more visible. But if you're saying the greatest country in the world is helpless to control firearms domestically, well everyone would have to agree on the evidence to date and the attitude of the populace.

We already control firearms....the problem is that democrats do not want to control actual criminals, the ones using guns they can't buy, own or carry to commit crimes.......

The problem isn't guns or the law abiding people who own them, the problem is criminals not going to jail for 30-life....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

How many shootings in schools is that 11 in 23 days? Great job!

Explain how guns will be banned

I would say that no one but silly dupes are talking about banning guns, just closing loopholes in background checks and banning bump stocks and automatic weapons with a big punishment also... You poor brainwashed morons....

There is no gun show loophole.....none of the mass shooters got their guns through gun shows...they either stole them or got them legally .....or used a straw buyer to get them, which means they went through a background check.

And how many automatic weapons have been used in mass shootings, genius? And how many bumpstocks are in existence vs. the one that was used in Vegas?

Do you think about these things before you post, or do you just spew out he latest anti gun crap you see?

You are the brainwashed moron....you should try to think for yourself sometime.....

 

[2aguy]

Why are you so eager to waste so much money?

The Supreme Court has ruled against such laws many times.

No, the supreme court has said the right to own firearms is not unlimited, it can certainly describe the sorts of firearms that may be legally possessed and has done so in the past. Apart from that the Constitution can be amended. But this is not to the point, those controlling American politicians have demonstrated that school kids lives are considered a reasonable price to pay for easy access to firearms. So, really, these discussions where the reality of control is pointed out are irrelevant, the greatest country in the world is helpless to change.

Did you even read Heller......you guys trot out the line "Not Unlimited" to think you can ban every gun as long as you allow us to have a squirt gun.....

This is exactly what Scalia wrote...he states felons and the dangerously mentally ill.....and certain area prohibitions.....

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf
Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues.

The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.

And What else did Scalia write...here is where he states the weapons protected...at no point does he say that rifles and pistols can be banned...

We do not interpret constitutional rights that way. Just as the First Amendment protects modern forms of communications, e.g., Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union, 521 U. S. 844, 849 (1997), and the Fourth Amendment applies to modern forms of search, e.g., Kyllo v. United States, 533 U. S. 27, 35–36 (2001), the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding.

 

[dannyboys]

Send the NG into every inner city shithole in the country and remove every illegal gun.
Then watch the cases of crimes committed with a gun plumet to near zero.

 

[2aguy]

What realistic law would have prevented which of those shootings and how?

A law prohibiting the possession of handguns and military style semi-automatics would reduce the firearm homicide fatality rate. But as I say, this is not to the point when school kids are deemed an acceptable price to pay for easy access to handguns and mssa. No skin off my nose, I'm just pointing out the solutions other countries have utilised which are not acceptable to those controlling American politicians. Rather you than me.

No it wouldn't...the Mexican cartels would simply add more guns to their list of items to push across the border...moron....

And if you really cared about kids you would ban cars, pools and gravity...as well as booze....notice the cause of death from the CDC WISQARS reporting system......by age of the child, these are just accidental deaths...

Notice...from WISQARs....how many kids were murdered with guns....

Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC
2016....
Murder with guns...kids, 238
<1.......11
1-4.......64
5-9......68
10-14....95


And now accidents that you don't care about......

Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2016

Age by year:


<1.......

Suffocation....1,023

Vehicle....88

Drowning...38

gun...1

1.......

Vehicle.....76

drowning....134

poisoning....14

Gun....3

2.....

Vehicle.....86

drowning....143

Gun....8

3....

Vehicle....93

drowning...88

Gun...15

4....

vehicle.....79

drowning....60

gun....8

5.....

vehicle....73

drowning....42

gun....6

6.....

vehicle.....84

drowning...38

gun....2

7.....

vehicle.....79

drowning.....33

gun....3

8....

vehicle....83

drowning....20

gun...3

9....

vehicle....65

drowning....14...

gun...2

10....

vehicle.....83

drowning...13

gun....3


11....

vehicle....91

drowning....21

gun...3

12....

vehicle....79

drowning....18

gun....4

13....

vehicle....83

drowning...26

gun....3

14....

vehicle....119

drowning...25

gun...10

15....

vehicle...194

drowning....32

gun....7

16....

vehicle....377

drowning....37

gun....10

17.....

vehicle.....529

drowning....66

gun.....13

Drinking deaths by kids....

Underage Drinking-Why Do Adolescents Drink, What Are the Risks, and How Can Underage Drinking Be Prevented?

Each year, approximately 5,000 young people under the age of 21 die as a result of underage drinking; this includes about 1,900 deaths from motor vehicle crashes, 1,600 as a result of homicides, 300 from suicide, as well as hundreds from other injuries such as falls, burns, and drownings (1–5).

 

[2aguy]

Yes, US V Miller, ONLY firearms like the military would use in a war are protected.

Game. Set. Match.

Show me your 20mm cannon. Apart from that, amend the Constitution. It's not that these things are impossible, it's just the status quo is considered worthy of a few school kids by those who control American politicians. No worries, rather you than me.

Genius.....you have no ground to stand on, you have no legal argument, no Constitutional argument...the rulings have been made....that democrat judges refuse to abide by those Supreme Court rulings is a problem that needs to be fixed, but nothing you say is true or accurate...

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/15pdf/14-10078_aplc.pdf

Third, the Massachusetts court said that stun guns could be banned because they were not "readily adaptable to use in the military", but the Supreme Court held that Heller rejected the argument that "only those weapons useful in warfare" were protected by the Second Amendment.[12]

----As to “dangerous,” the court below held that a weapon is “dangerous per se” if it is “ ‘designed and constructed to produce death or great bodily harm’ and ‘for the purpose of bodily assault or defense.’” 470 Mass., at 779, 26 N. E. 3d, at 692 (quoting Commonwealth v. Appleby, 380 Mass. 296, 303, 402 N. E. 2d 1051, 1056 (1980)).


That test may be appropriate for applying statutes criminalizing assault with a dangerous weapon. See ibid., 402 N. E. 2d, at 1056. But it cannot be used to identify arms that fall outside the Second Amendment.

First, the relative dangerousness of a weapon is irrelevant when the weapon belongs to a class of arms commonly used for lawful purposes. See Heller, supra, at 627 (contrasting “‘dangerous and unusual weapons’” that may be banned with protected “weapons . . . ‘in common use at the time’”).

Second, even in cases where dangerousness might be relevant, the Supreme Judicial Court’s test sweeps far too broadly.

Heller defined the “Arms” covered by the Second Amendment to include “‘any thing that a man wears for his defence, or takes into his hands, or useth in wrath to cast at or strike another.’” 554 U. S., at 581.


Under the decision below, however, virtually every covered arm would qualify as “dangerous.” Were there any doubt on this point, one need only look at the court’s first example of “dangerous per se” weapons: “firearms.” 470 Mass., at 779, 26 N. E. 3d, at 692.

If Heller tells us anything, it is that firearms cannot be categorically prohibited just because they are dangerous. 554 U. S., at 636. A fortiori, stun guns that the Commonwealth’s own witness described as “non-lethal force,” Tr. 27, cannot be banned on that basis.---------

The court also opined that a weapon’s unusualness depends on whether “it is a weapon of warfare to be used by the militia.” 470 Mass., at 780, 26 N. E. 3d, at 693. It asserted that we followed such an approach in Miller and “approved its use in Heller.” 470 Mass., at 780, 26 N. E. 3d, at 693.

But Heller actually said that it would be a “startling reading” of Miller to conclude that “only those weapons useful in warfare are protected.” 554 U. S., at 624.

Instead, Miller and Heller recognized that militia members traditionally reported for duty carrying “the sorts of lawful weapons that they possessed at home,” and that the Second Amendment therefore protects such weapons as a class, regardless of any particular weapon’s suitability for military use.


554 U. S., at 627; see id., at 624–625. Indeed, Heller acknowledged that advancements in military technology might render many commonly owned weapons ineffective in warfare. Id., at 627–628. But such “modern developments . . . cannot change our interpretation of the right.” Ibid.


In any event, the Supreme Judicial Court’s assumption that stun guns are unsuited for militia or military use is untenable.

 

[2aguy]

Only "da gubermint" should have guns!!!! Worked out really great for those that were taken over by communist infiltration.

Pohahahahaha...wtf you gonna against an army? Worked well for the Afghans, Iraqis, and others. And the government got you the balls anyway.

Listen goofball travel abroad (if you can afford it) people live wonderfully without and they don't kill each by the thousands in 2018.

In the 1940s they murdered 12 million unarmed people in Europe...a total higher than all of our criminals since then using guns......and governments around the world have murdered more people than all criminals combined....unarmed people murdered without a way to defend themselves, having been told by people like you they didn't need guns....

WILLIAMS: Fascism And Communism

The People's Republic of China tops the list, with 76 million lives lost at the hands of the government from 1949 to 1987.
The Soviet Union follows, with 62 million lives lost from 1917 to 1987.
Adolf Hitler's Nazi German government killed 21 million people between 1933 and 1945.
Then there are lesser murdering regimes, such as Nationalist China, Japan, Turkey, Vietnam and Mexico.
According to Rummel's research, the 20th century saw 262 millionpeople's lives lost at the hands of their own governments.

 

[Pete7469]

Ya'll are missing the biggest issue of the thread.

In the title the OP implied that he "thinks".

LOL...

We know that it isn't possible, all he did was parrot something he believes. There was not and could not have been an actual thought involved because these bed wetters lack a frontal lobe.

The evidence to support my assertion is in the OP itself that ignores the facts like every one of his threads do.

Kids illegally acquired guns.

Kids illegally brought them to school.

Kids illegally shot people with intent to at least harm them.

Kids committed MURDER, which as far as I know is among the top tier of crimes against the state and humanity.

If someone is willing to violate laws against MURDER, you can not possibly have a single properly functioning brain cell if you believe one more law against possessing a gun while doing so will make a fucking difference.

Lets go back and pretend the meat puppet faggot is still infesting the WH. Lets say he waves his magic dildo and all the guns disappear. The country would be flush with weapons and whoever made them would be flush with cash within a year. People want them, people will get them. Rather than deal with reality however, bed wetting libturds will continue to believe in moonbat messiahs, magic dildoes, global warming, gun control and collectivism.