I am beginning to think having 300 million +guns in the country isn't working out...

[2aguy]

Nobody has said anything about getting rid of 300 gun million guns idiot dupe...

And he jumps in to illustrate why we can't get things done.
.

The Democrats want an end to loopholes in background checks and no more bump stocks are automatics with a big punishment, no one says ban all weapons but stupid dupes like you. Got it?

You're an intellectual pussy who can't rebut beyond using the funny button. You're a debate retard.

no hater dupe Democrats only want 2 close loopholes and background checks ban bump stocks and that's it. Or show me a link to the b*******you're brainwashed with.

No....they want universal background checks so they can demand universal gun registration...which they need to ban and confiscate guns. We know how this works since the Germans, British, Australians, Canadians, New York and Hawaii have done it......then, when they get registration of guns and the political power, they will start banning whatever they can get away with...but they need to know who has the guns first......

That is why gun registration is so important to gun banners...and they get gun registration through universal background checks....

 

[2aguy]

(9) Jan. 22: Italy High School in Italy, Texas: A 16-year-old boy shot a 15-year-old girl in the cafeteria. He was arrested and she was airlifted to a hospital, where she was “in good spirits” as of Tuesday.

Local news here has covered this story, but the national news has glossed over the real facts. More than 3 students had already complained the school administrators about this kid and expressed concern about his violent tendencies and mental stability.

The school did JACK SHIT!!!

It is almost as if the school WANTED him to crack and kill people.

The reason it didn't go very far?

Some Texas teachers are allowed to carry on campus. Just that policy alone likely was enough to make that kid believe he had to shoot and run or he would be shot himself.

That is the problem.......they know who the kids are....and they don't stop them before it happens....

 

[frigidweirdo]

They don't support Proportional Representation.

I don't hate PR, but I don't see how we can get there. Nobody wants to do the hard thing and do a con con.

It would just take a lot of people supporting it.

 

[2aguy]

Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent crime ....you know, rapes, robberies and murders...

So now...be brave....for you, it is better that a woman is raped, tortured and murdered, than that she is able to use a gun to stop it....right? That is what you believe...right.....?

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[2aguy]

When the militant advocates for firearms become as insistent on increased levels of safety requirements and owner responsibility as they are on their reading of the second amendment, some progress may be made. Seizing 'guns' is not a good idea and is certainly impractical.
The NRA's extremely liberal attitude toward firearms and excessively narrow interpretation of the famous '2nd', however, ensures that their opponents will demand measures not many of us truly desire.

You are the ones who keep gun safety education out of schools....education that will save children's lives.

You are the ones who keep letting violent criminals out of jail, the criminals who use illegal guns to shoot and murder people.

The NRA and other gun Rights groups are doing what you should be doing, fighting to keep criminals in jail, teaching law enforcement, and teaching gun safety....you guys are the problem, not the NRA....

 

[2aguy]

Hillary Lost

Guns save more lives, than Lunatic Liberals take with them.

Crooked Hillary ran on a platform to demonize the NRA and to impose new gun restrictions and she go her fat ass schlonged by The Donald who was endorsed by the NRA.

The stupid Moon Bats have a hard time learning lessons like that. That is why they have lost over 1,000 national seats, Congress and the presidency.

Maybe on Democratunderground gun control flies and the anti gun nuts are the majority but not in real America.

I am the NRA and I vote. These stupid Moon Bats need to understand that unreasonable gun control is a losing issue nationwide. It only is an issue in the commie states.

aint great that russia has infiltrated the NRA.

The funny thing is that there are actually some stupid Moon Bats that believe that silly shit. The same idiots that voted for Crooked Hillary that sold 20% of our uranium to the Russians for millions to her money laundering foundation.

That Uranium One has been debunked in fact check.

On the otherhand, can you prove that Russia hasnt funded Trump via the NRA?

No.....in fact there was an 11 count indictment handed out just last year........Uranium One is just being looked at for real....

 

[2aguy]

How many shootings in schools is that 11 in 23 days? Great job!

I think you should try and take them away from us......I mean you're 6'4"/215 right?

Nobody is talking about taking away anybody's guns, Super dupe. Ending loopholes in background checks and bump stocks and automatic kits... Crazy, I know LOL

Yes...they are, and they are taking guns away, one category at a time, in California, New York, and they are trying to confiscate guns from various groups....including medical pot users.......the ratchet down each time we look the other way...

 

[2aguy]

Idiotic to think you can make school shootings more illegal than they already are. Guns still haven't started killing people and people still are no less dead when killed with any other inanimate object than with a gun. If you wish to cut down on violence just stop beating this dead horse.
Gun laws simply disarm potential victims which empowers criminals.

Ah, the good old arguments.

Guns don't kill people, people do.

Sure. But people with guns kill more easily than people without guns.

Also, as for disarming potential victims, why is it that Alaska has a rape rate that is 5 times higher than New York? I mean, they have all these guns, they shouldn't be victims to such a crime, because they're armed.

Also, why do far more police officers die in the line of duty in the US than the UK? The unarmed police officers in the UK are just potential victims, whereas the armed police officers in the US can defend themselves, so they shouldn't actually die. Right?

And people with rental trucks kill more people in one go than mass shooters do....

Vegas shooting.....2 rifles, over 1000 rounds of ammunition fired into a tightly packed crowd of over 22,000 people...

58 murdered.

Nice, France, a muslim terrorist with a rental truck driving for 5 minutes....

86 murdered.

 

[2aguy]

Idiotic to think you can make school shootings more illegal than they already are. Guns still haven't started killing people and people still are no less dead when killed with any other inanimate object than with a gun. If you wish to cut down on violence just stop beating this dead horse.
Gun laws simply disarm potential victims which empowers criminals.

Ah, the good old arguments.

Guns don't kill people, people do.

Sure. But people with guns kill more easily than people without guns

Also, why do far more police officers die in the line of duty in the US than the UK? The unarmed police officers in the UK are just potential victims, whereas the armed police officers in the US can defend themselves, so they shouldn't actually die. Right?

"Sure. But people with guns kill more easily than people without guns."

Absolutely. Which is what makes it possible for somebodies' little old grandmother to successfully defend herself from a big burly ax murderer. Also makes it possible for armed employees to defend schoolchildren.Gun free zones only serve to attract crazies.

Also, why do far more police officers die in the line of duty in the US than the UK? The unarmed police officers in the UK are just potential victims, whereas the armed police officers in the US can defend themselves, so they shouldn't actually die. Right?

Somehow I suspect there are far more of both police officers and criminals in the US than in the UK and that there are far more lives protected with firearms.

The problem is, if you look at the statistics, it's better to not be able to defend yourself with a gun at the risk of being attacked by a gun.

3/4 of all murders in the US happen with guns. The US murder rate is 4 times higher than the UK murder rate. So the UK murder rate is about the same as the US non-gun murder rate. Coincidence?

Somehow you suspect?

So you don't know? So you're literally taking the facts that I've presented and ignoring them because it's inconvenient for your narrative and making stuff up to fill the gaps?

Oh, wow.

Far more police officers means what?

List of American police officers killed in the line of duty - Wikipedia

In 2016 there were 140 US police officers, with guns, killed in the line of duty.

List of British police officers killed in the line of duty - Wikipedia

In 2016 there were 0 UK police officers killed in the line of duty.

By the Numbers: How Many Cops Are There In the USA?

This guy estimates that there are at least 900,000 police officers in the US.

List of countries and dependencies by number of police officers - Wikipedia

Wikipedia estimates 913,000.

England and Wales has 198,000, plus 17,000 for Scotland and 7,000 for Northern Ireland. That's like 220,000 police officers which would be about comparible with the US per capita. They have 284 per 100,000 in the US and 302 in England and Wales though it's hard to define what is and what isn't a police officer and how much it impacts crime etc. So, we're almost in the same ballpark.

Are there more criminals? Certainly there are more locked up. But then you'd have to ask why the US has more criminals. I could give lots of suggested answers, like the US just doesn't give a shit.

But here's the reality. If guns save lives, why is the US murder rate higher, and why do FAR MORE police officers die every year?

140 in the US, this would be 28 police officers killed in the UK per year in order to be at the same level. You have to go back to October 1999 in order to achieve this level. That's 19 years. This means in the US a police officer is 19 times more likely to die doing their job than a British police office.
Also a US citizen if 4 times more likely to die than a UK citizen.

These are the facts. You can't dress them up with anything.

Having guns in society is more dangerous.

Moron...the reason British police officers aren't murdered more often is the criminals in Britain do not murder them...they have guns...more guns every day, they just refuse, so far, to murder police officers. That is changing...offences against British police officers are rising, and eventually they are going to get murdered.....you guys think these rates are static...that culture has nothing to do with criminal behavior...and you are wrong.

Gun crime is going up in Britain.....criminals are stabbing people to death in Britain and that is going to turn to shootings ...soon.....their gun crime rate is going up...all over their country.

And when it crosses the line to murder...as it did here in the 1960s....their people will be unarmed in the face of it...

 

[2aguy]

While ever the NRA owns the Republicans this carnage will continue.

The NRA is not pro-gun enough you silly bastard. LOL

Luckily gun nuts like you are only about 20% at most. Loudmouth idiots who want machine guns... 80% Want good background checks and no bump stocks or automatic weapons...

We have background checks, moron.....mass shooters pass them, criminals go around them......

 

[2aguy]

While ever the NRA owns the Republicans this carnage will continue.

The NRA is not pro-gun enough you silly bastard. LOL

Luckily gun nuts like you are only about 20% at most. Loudmouth idiots who want machine guns... 80% Want good background checks and no bump stocks or automatic weapons...

Prior to the Vegas shooting 80% of the people didn't know what a bump stock was.

Now most people do and they can't believe Republicans block Banning them it's ridiculous.

You mean because on out of thousands sold was used....

had the guy used a rental truck instead of a bumpstock he could have murdered more people...

Vegas....rifle with a bumpstock.... murdered 58

Nice, France, muslim with a rental truck.... murdered 86.

 

[2aguy]

While ever the NRA owns the Republicans this carnage will continue.

The NRA is not pro-gun enough you silly bastard. LOL

Luckily gun nuts like you are only about 20% at most. Loudmouth idiots who want machine guns... 80% Want good background checks and no bump stocks or automatic weapons...

Prior to the Vegas shooting 80% of the people didn't know what a bump stock was.

But they knew that guns were killing people.

And they know that guns are the best way to stop rape, robbery and murder......

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[2aguy]

But they knew that guns were killing people.

No gun has ever killed anyone, ever! Until you get that straight, there is no point in dicussing this.

If I push you off a cliff where you to your death, did the ground kill you? Gravity?

If you willfully jump off that cliff and fall to your death, did the ground kill you?

Oh please with the fucking NRA soundbites.

We've already done that PEOPLE WITH GUNS kill more easily than people without guns. Why the fuck do we have to go back to "no gun has ever killed anyone" like you're talking to some uneducated redneck?

Look.

In the US 140 police officers, all of them presumably armed, were killed in the line of duty. If this had been the UK, the same rate would have seen 28 police officers killed in the line of duty. In the UK where most police officers are not armed, zero police officers were killed in the line of duty.

You have to go back to October 1999 to have seen 28 police officers killed in the line of duty. 19 years. So, a police officer in the US is 19 times more likely to get killed in the line of duty than a British officer.

On top of this only six of these officers were shot, in 19 years.

2016

67 (of my count is right) were killed by gunfire. That's about half.

Now, people claim that a person is safer with a gun because they can defend themselves. But clearly these police officers have guns, they can defend themselves, and yet 67 of them were killed by people with guns. Others were killed due to other events.
In the UK this was 6 in 19 years, the US 67 in one years by guns.

Who do guns save?

Forcible rape rate in the U.S. in 2016, by state | Statistic

Alaska has the highest rape rate in the US. It appears to be nearly double the next rate. They have guns in Alaska right?

Here's where you're most likely to own a gun

61.75 of Alaskans own guns. So why do they have such a high rate of rape if these guns are protecting them?

Highest rate of gun ownership and highest rape rate. Doesn't add up.

Idaho has the second highest rate of gun ownership and is in the top half of states for rape statistics.

New Jersey has the lowest rape rate in the country and the third lowest gun ownership in the country.

These are the facts. You're just coming at me with soundbites.

Moron.....women have been one of the groups that own the fewest number of guns........that is now changing.........and as to actual research....

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

 

[2aguy]

But they knew that guns were killing people.

No gun has ever killed anyone, ever! Until you get that straight, there is no point in dicussing this.

If I push you off a cliff where you to your death, did the ground kill you? Gravity?

If you willfully jump off that cliff and fall to your death, did the ground kill you?

Oh please with the fucking NRA soundbites.

We've already done that PEOPLE WITH GUNS kill more easily than people without guns. Why the fuck do we have to go back to "no gun has ever killed anyone" like you're talking to some uneducated redneck?

Look.

In the US 140 police officers, all of them presumably armed, were killed in the line of duty. If this had been the UK, the same rate would have seen 28 police officers killed in the line of duty. In the UK where most police officers are not armed, zero police officers were killed in the line of duty.

You have to go back to October 1999 to have seen 28 police officers killed in the line of duty. 19 years. So, a police officer in the US is 19 times more likely to get killed in the line of duty than a British officer.

On top of this only six of these officers were shot, in 19 years.

2016

67 (of my count is right) were killed by gunfire. That's about half.

Now, people claim that a person is safer with a gun because they can defend themselves. But clearly these police officers have guns, they can defend themselves, and yet 67 of them were killed by people with guns. Others were killed due to other events.
In the UK this was 6 in 19 years, the US 67 in one years by guns.

Who do guns save?

Forcible rape rate in the U.S. in 2016, by state | Statistic

Alaska has the highest rape rate in the US. It appears to be nearly double the next rate. They have guns in Alaska right?

Here's where you're most likely to own a gun

61.75 of Alaskans own guns. So why do they have such a high rate of rape if these guns are protecting them?

Highest rate of gun ownership and highest rape rate. Doesn't add up.

Idaho has the second highest rate of gun ownership and is in the top half of states for rape statistics.

New Jersey has the lowest rape rate in the country and the third lowest gun ownership in the country.

These are the facts. You're just coming at me with soundbites.

So...do we put you in the column that says it is better that a woman is raped than that she use a gun to stop it?

That is where you come down...right?

Guns are the best method to use against a rapist.....you want those women to be unable to stop those rapes....

 

[2aguy]

But they knew that guns were killing people.

No gun has ever killed anyone, ever! Until you get that straight, there is no point in dicussing this.

If I push you off a cliff where you to your death, did the ground kill you? Gravity?

If you willfully jump off that cliff and fall to your death, did the ground kill you?

Oh please with the fucking NRA soundbites.

We've already done that PEOPLE WITH GUNS kill more easily than people without guns. Why the fuck do we have to go back to "no gun has ever killed anyone" like you're talking to some uneducated redneck?

Look.

In the US 140 police officers, all of them presumably armed, were killed in the line of duty. If this had been the UK, the same rate would have seen 28 police officers killed in the line of duty. In the UK where most police officers are not armed, zero police officers were killed in the line of duty.

You have to go back to October 1999 to have seen 28 police officers killed in the line of duty. 19 years. So, a police officer in the US is 19 times more likely to get killed in the line of duty than a British officer.

On top of this only six of these officers were shot, in 19 years.

2016

67 (of my count is right) were killed by gunfire. That's about half.

Now, people claim that a person is safer with a gun because they can defend themselves. But clearly these police officers have guns, they can defend themselves, and yet 67 of them were killed by people with guns. Others were killed due to other events.
In the UK this was 6 in 19 years, the US 67 in one years by guns.

Who do guns save?

Forcible rape rate in the U.S. in 2016, by state | Statistic

Alaska has the highest rape rate in the US. It appears to be nearly double the next rate. They have guns in Alaska right?

Here's where you're most likely to own a gun

61.75 of Alaskans own guns. So why do they have such a high rate of rape if these guns are protecting them?

Highest rate of gun ownership and highest rape rate. Doesn't add up.

Idaho has the second highest rate of gun ownership and is in the top half of states for rape statistics.

New Jersey has the lowest rape rate in the country and the third lowest gun ownership in the country.

These are the facts. You're just coming at me with soundbites.

61.75 of Alaskans own guns. So why do they have such a high rate of rape if these guns are protecting them?

Highest rate of gun ownership and highest rape rate. Doesn't add up.

Moron.....a rifle in a gun cabinet is less effective against a rapist than a pistol on the hip....and since most women don't carry a gun you fact isn't a fact......

And since morons like you oppose concealed and open carry, and want mandatory gun storage...you want these women to be raped rather than carrying guns to actually stop the rape....

Moron.....

 

[2aguy]

I wonder what level of killings there would have to be before the gun nuts would consider any form of control ?

We have every form of control....our criminals, like your criminals, ignore them.......

 

[2aguy]

I wonder what level of killings there would have to be before the gun nuts would consider any form of control ?

You Brits have all the gun control....you banned and confiscated guns....and gun crime keeps going up on your island...

London is more violent now than New York city....doofus...


U.K. Begins Another Gun Surrender Initiative Amid Increase in Gun Crime

The United Kingdom's National Ballistics Intelligence Service (NABIS) is conducting a new gun surrender program from Nov. 13 to Nov. 26 after gun crime in England and Wales increased by more than a quarter in the past year.

The Office for National Statistics found a 27 percent increase in crimes involving firearms during its most recent review of crime data. Despite a near ban on the civilian ownership of handguns the review found crimes committed with handguns increased by 25 percent and accounted for the majority of gun crimes. The agency said the increases in 2016 were part of a multiyear trend.

London mayor urged to tackle gun crime as offences rise

The mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, has been urged to consider a gun crime strategy for the capital, following a steep rise in the number of offences and fears that victims and perpetrators are getting younger.

The Metropolitan police recorded 2,542 gun crime offences in 2017, the highest number in five years and 44% more than the 1,755 recorded in 2014, according to a report by the London assembly’s police and crime committee.

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About a third of the victims of gun crime and almost three in five offenders were aged 25 or under in the 12 months to October 2017, according to the assembly’s report. There were anecdotal suggestions from police and a senior trauma doctor that they were seeing younger victims than in the past.

Drug dealing and gang activity were identified as the main drivers of gun crime, with gangs said to account for nearly half of all offences where lethal guns – as opposed to non-lethal airguns or stun guns – were fired.

 

[2aguy]

How many shootings in schools is that 11 in 23 days? Great job!

Explain how guns will be banned

After you explain why 11 school shootings in 23 days doesn't bother you.

They aren't school shootings, as you were shown by some of the other posters.....a gang banger shooting another gang banger near a school is not a school shooting,,,but is counted by you numb nuts...dittos a guy who kills himself in the school playground...another one counted by you numb nuts...

 

[2aguy]

Guns keep us safe

With 300 million guns out there, we should be very safe

You are right...as 21 years of experience demonstrates...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...

-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

How many shootings in schools is that 11 in 23 days? Great job!

I think you should try and take them away from us......I mean you're 6'4"/215 right?

Nobody is talking about taking away anybody's guns, Super dupe. Ending loopholes in background checks and bump stocks and automatic kits... Crazy, I know LOL

Nobody ? Maybe not in this thread, but there are plenty of people on YOUR side that would like to see a full ban on guns.