I am beginning to think having 300 million +guns in the country isn't working out...

[Rustic]

The way I look at it is not enough guns

Right now, with 300 million guns we get 30,000 gun deaths a year
If we had 600 million guns, nobody would be killed

And, of course, you didn't tell the truth...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...

-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

And then you continue to lie.....by not explaining what "Gun Deaths" actually means....

Gun suicide..

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2016
Gun suicide

22,938


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Gun Accidental death.....
2016:
495

==================

Gun murder ( 70-80% of the victims of gun murder are actual criminals, not law abiding people)

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8


2015--

9,616

=======================

Suicide
...even though Japan, Korea, China, all have absolute gun control for law abiding citizens...only criminals and cops can have guns.......and they have higher suicide rates than we do....and our non-gun suicide rate has been higher than our gun suicide rate for 2 years in a row.....

Gun Accidental Death...

Gun accidents....in a country with over 320,000,000 people...... with 400,000,000 guns in private hands, and over 15,700,000 people carrying guns for self defense..... 489 accidental gun deaths....

Gun murder
Of the 9,616 gun murders in this country, 70-80% of the victims are criminals, engaged in criminal activity or part of the criminal life style....and of the remaining victims....many of them are friends and family of the criminal...caught up in the criminal's lifestyle.....

You tell em

300 million guns is not enough
Only way to end murder is to get 600 million guns!

Yes, buy more guns and ammo...

 

[2aguy]

Guns keep us safe

With 300 million guns out there, we should be very safe

Most of America is absolutely safe, except progressive controlled urban areas... lol

Red states Louisiana and Mississippi are number one and two in murder rates

FBI ranks Mississippi No. 2 for homicides

Only because their major cities are run by democrats........

Jackson, Mississippi has been run by democrats since 1989

List of mayors of Jackson, Mississippi - Wikipedia

And both New Orleans and Baton Rouge....have also been controlled by democrats.....

That is the problem....not law abiding people owning and carrying guns..

 

[2aguy]

The way I look at it is not enough guns

Right now, with 300 million guns we get 30,000 gun deaths a year
If we had 600 million guns, nobody would be killed

And, of course, you didn't tell the truth...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...

-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

And then you continue to lie.....by not explaining what "Gun Deaths" actually means....

Gun suicide..

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2016
Gun suicide

22,938


========================

Gun Accidental death.....
2016:
495

==================

Gun murder ( 70-80% of the victims of gun murder are actual criminals, not law abiding people)

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8


2015--

9,616

=======================

Suicide
...even though Japan, Korea, China, all have absolute gun control for law abiding citizens...only criminals and cops can have guns.......and they have higher suicide rates than we do....and our non-gun suicide rate has been higher than our gun suicide rate for 2 years in a row.....

Gun Accidental Death...

Gun accidents....in a country with over 320,000,000 people...... with 400,000,000 guns in private hands, and over 15,700,000 people carrying guns for self defense..... 489 accidental gun deaths....

Gun murder
Of the 9,616 gun murders in this country, 70-80% of the victims are criminals, engaged in criminal activity or part of the criminal life style....and of the remaining victims....many of them are friends and family of the criminal...caught up in the criminal's lifestyle.....

You tell em

300 million guns is not enough
Only way to end murder is to get 600 million guns!

If you want to lower the murder rate...two ways...more cops....more armed citizens......

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...

-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[Rustic]

It really doesn’t matter anyway, because Trump will be able to appoint two maybe three Supreme Court justices, he will never sign anything frivolous gun-control laws and Congress will never pass any frivolous gun control laws. Fact
So to hell with your European gun control law ideas they suck ass

Like I said, Politically more frivolous gun control laws are dead in the water. And that is a good thing because progressives don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground.

 

[Flash]

[
You've gotten a false rating on that one.
No evidence that the kickback scheme that defrauded Tenex overlapped with Rosatom’s efforts to buy Uranium One.

You are confused about this.

Hopefully Trump has the courage to do a real investigation and we can find out how come that shithead Clinton managed to get $200 million in her bank account and that the Russians got 20% of our uranium. We know that the filthy ass Obama administration didn't investigate it .,

 

[francoHFW]

[
You've gotten a false rating on that one.
No evidence that the kickback scheme that defrauded Tenex overlapped with Rosatom’s efforts to buy Uranium One.

You are confused about this.

Hopefully Trump has the courage to do a real investigation and we can find out how come that shithead Clinton managed to get $200 million in her bank account and that the Russians got 20% of our uranium. We know that the filthy ass Obama administration didn't investigate it .,

There is no mystery, she got her money by speeches and writing books like the 43 million dollars she got for the last one. Zzzzzzzzzzz all investigated and not a damn thing.

 

[Flash]

[
You've gotten a false rating on that one.
No evidence that the kickback scheme that defrauded Tenex overlapped with Rosatom’s efforts to buy Uranium One.

You are confused about this.

Hopefully Trump has the courage to do a real investigation and we can find out how come that shithead Clinton managed to get $200 million in her bank account and that the Russians got 20% of our uranium. We know that the filthy ass Obama administration didn't investigate it .,

There is no mystery, she got her money by speeches and writing books like the 43 million dollars she got for the last one. Zzzzzzzzzzz all investigated and not a damn thing.

Aren't you a dumbass? The only idiot left in America that thinks the Clintons are honest and they got $200 million legitimately.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I think half these shootings are bogus, deep state Zionists going nuts to try, and enforce gun control.

If not, how come before the 2000's these were so rare, you could go years without hearing much of anything about it, now these mass shootings happen at least weekly, really?

How does that happen, in all our hundreds of years, we've probably had more school schooting's in the past 10 years, than all those hundred's of years by a long shot.

I'm calling big time BS, I think our government deep state Zionists are garbage, IMO they also did 9/11 to justify knocking out Saddam Hussein.

What color is the sky in your alternative universe?

 

[Uncensored2008]

How many shootings in schools is that 11 in 23 days? Great job!

The day you think will be the day you stop being a Communist, fascist franco.

 

[SavannahMann]

Help me out here. We can’t deport 11 million illegal immigrants because that is too hard. We can somehow round up an estimated 300 million firearms from some 150 million people with little or no trouble. It’s just impossible, too expensive, and too hard to deport the illegals. But it would be cheap and easy to round up guns.

Is that an accurate summation?

For the billionth time, super dupe, no one is even talking about taking away anybody's guns... You people are out of your mind s. We're talking about background checks and bump stocks and automatic weapons kits.

Really? Because that isn’t what you said in the OP. You said 300 million + was too many.

 

[Taz]

How many shootings in schools is that 11 in 23 days? Great job!

Explain how guns will be banned

After you explain why 11 school shootings in 23 days doesn't bother you.

Everyone is against mass shootings.
Banning guns will not stop them. It would only disarm the shooting victims.
People want the ability to defend themselves and they have the basic human right to self defense.
OK, now it's your turn.

It obviously doesn't bother you if you don't even want to do anything. Pretty simple concept really.

 

[boedicca]

Clearly, we law-abiding people need to buy More Guns and Ammo!

 

[Taz]

How many shootings in schools is that 11 in 23 days? Great job!

Explain how guns will be banned

After you explain why 11 school shootings in 23 days doesn't bother you.

Frivolous gun control laws will not save a single soul. Shit for brains

Then propose some real laws that you think will do something to stop all the school shootings. We'll wait.

 

[dudmuck]

[
You've gotten a false rating on that one.
No evidence that the kickback scheme that defrauded Tenex overlapped with Rosatom’s efforts to buy Uranium One.

You are confused about this.

Hopefully Trump has the courage to do a real investigation and we can find out how come that shithead Clinton managed to get $200 million in her bank account and that the Russians got 20% of our uranium. We know that the filthy ass Obama administration didn't investigate it .,

There is no mystery, she got her money by speeches and writing books like the 43 million dollars she got for the last one. Zzzzzzzzzzz all investigated and not a damn thing.

Aren't you a dumbass? The only idiot left in America that thinks the Clintons are honest and they got $200 million legitimately.

Its legal because of Citizens United.
Legitimacy or honest has nothing to do with, because Citizens united makes it legal.
Give thanks to the GOP.

 

[2aguy]

How many shootings in schools is that 11 in 23 days? Great job!

Explain how guns will be banned

After you explain why 11 school shootings in 23 days doesn't bother you.

Frivolous gun control laws will not save a single soul. Shit for brains

Then propose some real laws that you think will do something to stop all the school shootings. We'll wait.

1) End gun free school zones.

2) Improve intervention programs for nut job kids....the schools know who they are and should take more of the lead in keeping them from murdering people.....

 

[2aguy]

[
You've gotten a false rating on that one.
No evidence that the kickback scheme that defrauded Tenex overlapped with Rosatom’s efforts to buy Uranium One.

You are confused about this.

Hopefully Trump has the courage to do a real investigation and we can find out how come that shithead Clinton managed to get $200 million in her bank account and that the Russians got 20% of our uranium. We know that the filthy ass Obama administration didn't investigate it .,

There is no mystery, she got her money by speeches and writing books like the 43 million dollars she got for the last one. Zzzzzzzzzzz all investigated and not a damn thing.

Aren't you a dumbass? The only idiot left in America that thinks the Clintons are honest and they got $200 million legitimately.

Its legal because of Citizens United.
Legitimacy or honest has nothing to do with, because Citizens united makes it legal.
Give thanks to the GOP.

Yes....Citizens United allows free speech...you left wingers hate that.

 

[2aguy]

[
You've gotten a false rating on that one.
No evidence that the kickback scheme that defrauded Tenex overlapped with Rosatom’s efforts to buy Uranium One.

You are confused about this.

Hopefully Trump has the courage to do a real investigation and we can find out how come that shithead Clinton managed to get $200 million in her bank account and that the Russians got 20% of our uranium. We know that the filthy ass Obama administration didn't investigate it .,

There is no mystery, she got her money by speeches and writing books like the 43 million dollars she got for the last one. Zzzzzzzzzzz all investigated and not a damn thing.

Aren't you a dumbass? The only idiot left in America that thinks the Clintons are honest and they got $200 million legitimately.

Its legal because of Citizens United.
Legitimacy or honest has nothing to do with, because Citizens united makes it legal.
Give thanks to the GOP.

Moron...this is what you are against...

Citizens United v. FEC - Wikipedia

In the case, the conservative non-profit organization Citizens United sought to air a film critical of Hillary Clinton and to advertise the film during television broadcasts shortly before the 2008 Democratic primary election in which Clinton was running for U.S. President.

Federal law, however, prohibited any corporation (or labor union) from making an "electioneering communication" (defined as a broadcast ad reaching over 50,000 people in the electorate within 30 days of a primary or 60 days of an election), or making any expenditure advocating the election or defeat of a candidate at any time. The court found that these provisions of the law conflicted with the U.S. Constitution.

You guys are really nuts...thinking that silencing speech about political candidates 30 days before a primary or 60 days before an election made sense....just what is that mush between your ears that makes that seem like Freedom of Speech...

 

[IsaacNewton]

How many shootings in schools is that 11 in 23 days? Great job!

The en'r'a' is worried guns may be getting over taxed and need a rest. They are offering gun safe zones where you can go place your gun in a velour cozy for a few days to allow the gun to readjust after a shooting.

 

[Rustic]

How many shootings in schools is that 11 in 23 days? Great job!

Explain how guns will be banned

After you explain why 11 school shootings in 23 days doesn't bother you.

Frivolous gun control laws will not save a single soul. Shit for brains

Then propose some real laws that you think will do something to stop all the school shootings. We'll wait.

Shit happens, Political correctness is most likely the cause of school/mass shootings...

 

[9thIDdoc]

Idiotic to think you can make school shootings more illegal than they already are. Guns still haven't started killing people and people still are no less dead when killed with any other inanimate object than with a gun. If you wish to cut down on violence just stop beating this dead horse.
Gun laws simply disarm potential victims which empowers criminals.

Ah, the good old arguments.

Guns don't kill people, people do.

Sure. But people with guns kill more easily than people without guns

Also, why do far more police officers die in the line of duty in the US than the UK? The unarmed police officers in the UK are just potential victims, whereas the armed police officers in the US can defend themselves, so they shouldn't actually die. Right?

"Sure. But people with guns kill more easily than people without guns."

Absolutely. Which is what makes it possible for somebodies' little old grandmother to successfully defend herself from a big burly ax murderer. Also makes it possible for armed employees to defend schoolchildren.Gun free zones only serve to attract crazies.

Also, why do far more police officers die in the line of duty in the US than the UK? The unarmed police officers in the UK are just potential victims, whereas the armed police officers in the US can defend themselves, so they shouldn't actually die. Right?

Somehow I suspect there are far more of both police officers and criminals in the US than in the UK and that there are far more lives protected with firearms.

The problem is, if you look at the statistics, it's better to not be able to defend yourself with a gun at the risk of being attacked by a gun.

3/4 of all murders in the US happen with guns. The US murder rate is 4 times higher than the UK murder rate. So the UK murder rate is about the same as the US non-gun murder rate. Coincidence?

Somehow you suspect?

So you don't know? So you're literally taking the facts that I've presented and ignoring them because it's inconvenient for your narrative and making stuff up to fill the gaps?

Oh, wow.

Far more police officers means what?

List of American police officers killed in the line of duty - Wikipedia

In 2016 there were 140 US police officers, with guns, killed in the line of duty.

List of British police officers killed in the line of duty - Wikipedia

In 2016 there were 0 UK police officers killed in the line of duty.

By the Numbers: How Many Cops Are There In the USA?

This guy estimates that there are at least 900,000 police officers in the US.

List of countries and dependencies by number of police officers - Wikipedia

Wikipedia estimates 913,000.

England and Wales has 198,000, plus 17,000 for Scotland and 7,000 for Northern Ireland. That's like 220,000 police officers which would be about comparible with the US per capita. They have 284 per 100,000 in the US and 302 in England and Wales though it's hard to define what is and what isn't a police officer and how much it impacts crime etc. So, we're almost in the same ballpark.

Are there more criminals? Certainly there are more locked up. But then you'd have to ask why the US has more criminals. I could give lots of suggested answers, like the US just doesn't give a shit.

But here's the reality. If guns save lives, why is the US murder rate higher, and why do FAR MORE police officers die every year?

140 in the US, this would be 28 police officers killed in the UK per year in order to be at the same level. You have to go back to October 1999 in order to achieve this level. That's 19 years. This means in the US a police officer is 19 times more likely to die doing their job than a British police office.
Also a US citizen if 4 times more likely to die than a UK citizen.

These are the facts. You can't dress them up with anything.

Having guns in society is more dangerous.

Somehow you suspect?

So you don't know? So you're literally taking the facts that I've presented and ignoring them because it's inconvenient for your narrative and making stuff up to fill the gaps?

Untrue. Most of the "facts" you've presented are no such thing. Lies, spin, irrelevant, invalid and/or unsupported comparisons, and begging the question.

"The problem is, if you look at the statistics, it's better to not be able to defend yourself with a gun at the risk of being attacked by a gun."

Lie. Which is likely the reason why you fail to link or otherwise support your alleged "fact"
You claim that guns attack people and still pretend to deal with facts. How idiotic.

"3/4 of all murders in the US happen with guns. The US murder rate is 4 times higher than the UK murder rate. So the UK murder rate is about the same as the US non-gun murder rate. Coincidence?"

Unsupported, off topic and pointless..

"England and Wales has 198,000, plus 17,000 for Scotland and 7,000 for Northern Ireland....""If guns save lives, why is the US murder rate higher, and why do FAR MORE police officers die every year?"

Fact: If you have far more police policing a far larger population it is altogether reasonable to expect more on the job deaths. And again you fail to provide support for your claims.

"Having guns in society is more dangerous"

Untrue unproven unsupported and (even if true) off topic. And who makes the claim that a more strictly controlled society is preferable to one that is more free?