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Idiotic to think you can make school shootings more illegal than they already are. Guns still haven't started killing people and people still are no less dead when killed with any other inanimate object than with a gun. If you wish to cut down on violence just stop beating this dead horse.
Gun laws simply disarm potential victims which empowers criminals.
Ah, the good old arguments.
Guns don't kill people, people do.
Sure. But people with guns kill more easily than people without guns
Also, why do far more police officers die in the line of duty in the US than the UK? The unarmed police officers in the UK are just potential victims, whereas the armed police officers in the US can defend themselves, so they shouldn't actually die. Right?
"Sure. But people with guns kill more easily than people without guns."
Absolutely. Which is what makes it possible for somebodies' little old grandmother to successfully defend herself from a big burly ax murderer. Also makes it possible for armed employees to defend schoolchildren.Gun free zones only serve to attract crazies.
Also, why do far more police officers die in the line of duty in the US than the UK? The unarmed police officers in the UK are just potential victims, whereas the armed police officers in the US can defend themselves, so they shouldn't actually die. Right?
Somehow I suspect there are far more of both police officers and criminals in the US than in the UK and that there are far more lives protected with firearms.
The problem is, if you look at the statistics, it's better to not be able to defend yourself with a gun at the risk of being attacked by a gun.
3/4 of all murders in the US happen with guns. The US murder rate is 4 times higher than the UK murder rate. So the UK murder rate is about the same as the US non-gun murder rate. Coincidence?
Somehow you suspect?
So you don't know? So you're literally taking the facts that I've presented and ignoring them because it's inconvenient for your narrative and making stuff up to fill the gaps?
Oh, wow.
Far more police officers means what?
List of American police officers killed in the line of duty - Wikipedia
In 2016 there were 140 US police officers, with guns, killed in the line of duty.
List of British police officers killed in the line of duty - Wikipedia
In 2016 there were 0 UK police officers killed in the line of duty.
By the Numbers: How Many Cops Are There In the USA?
This guy estimates that there are at least 900,000 police officers in the US.
List of countries and dependencies by number of police officers - Wikipedia
Wikipedia estimates 913,000.
England and Wales has 198,000, plus 17,000 for Scotland and 7,000 for Northern Ireland. That's like 220,000 police officers which would be about comparible with the US per capita. They have 284 per 100,000 in the US and 302 in England and Wales though it's hard to define what is and what isn't a police officer and how much it impacts crime etc. So, we're almost in the same ballpark.
Are there more criminals? Certainly there are more locked up. But then you'd have to ask why the US has more criminals. I could give lots of suggested answers, like the US just doesn't give a shit.
But here's the reality. If guns save lives, why is the US murder rate higher, and why do FAR MORE police officers die every year?
140 in the US, this would be 28 police officers killed in the UK per year in order to be at the same level. You have to go back to October 1999 in order to achieve this level. That's 19 years. This means in the US a police officer is 19 times more likely to die doing their job than a British police office.
Also a US citizen if 4 times more likely to die than a UK citizen.
These are the facts. You can't dress them up with anything.
Having guns in society is more dangerous.
Somehow you suspect?
So you don't know? So you're literally taking the facts that I've presented and ignoring them because it's inconvenient for your narrative and making stuff up to fill the gaps?
Untrue. Most of the "facts" you've presented are no such thing. Lies, spin, irrelevant, invalid and/or unsupported comparisons, and begging the question.
"The problem is, if you look at the statistics, it's better to not be able to defend yourself with a gun at the risk of being attacked by a gun."
Lie. Which is likely the reason why you fail to link or otherwise support your alleged "fact"
You claim that guns attack people and still pretend to deal with facts. How idiotic.
"3/4 of all murders in the US happen with guns. The US murder rate is 4 times higher than the UK murder rate. So the UK murder rate is about the same as the US non-gun murder rate. Coincidence?"
Unsupported, off topic and pointless..
"England and Wales has 198,000, plus 17,000 for Scotland and 7,000 for Northern Ireland....""If guns save lives, why is the US murder rate higher, and why do FAR MORE police officers die every year?"
Fact: If you have far more police policing a far larger population it is altogether reasonable to expect more on the job deaths. And again you fail to provide support for your claims.
"Having guns in society is more dangerous"
Untrue unproven unsupported and (even if true) off topic. And who makes the claim that a more strictly controlled society is preferable to one that is more free?
So what have I said that is false?
I mean, you've not attacked a single fact of mine for being wrong.
No, I don't claim guns attack people.
The fact that you're saying this after quoting me having said
"Sure. But people with guns kill more easily than people without guns."
and then you go off and insult.
You're deflecting, not debating. So, until you stop acting like a child, we're through.
Ah, the good old arguments.
Guns don't kill people, people do.
Sure. But people with guns kill more easily than people without guns
Also, why do far more police officers die in the line of duty in the US than the UK? The unarmed police officers in the UK are just potential victims, whereas the armed police officers in the US can defend themselves, so they shouldn't actually die. Right?
"Sure. But people with guns kill more easily than people without guns."
Absolutely. Which is what makes it possible for somebodies' little old grandmother to successfully defend herself from a big burly ax murderer. Also makes it possible for armed employees to defend schoolchildren.Gun free zones only serve to attract crazies.
Also, why do far more police officers die in the line of duty in the US than the UK? The unarmed police officers in the UK are just potential victims, whereas the armed police officers in the US can defend themselves, so they shouldn't actually die. Right?
Somehow I suspect there are far more of both police officers and criminals in the US than in the UK and that there are far more lives protected with firearms.
The problem is, if you look at the statistics, it's better to not be able to defend yourself with a gun at the risk of being attacked by a gun.
3/4 of all murders in the US happen with guns. The US murder rate is 4 times higher than the UK murder rate. So the UK murder rate is about the same as the US non-gun murder rate. Coincidence?
Somehow you suspect?
So you don't know? So you're literally taking the facts that I've presented and ignoring them because it's inconvenient for your narrative and making stuff up to fill the gaps?
Oh, wow.
Far more police officers means what?
List of American police officers killed in the line of duty - Wikipedia
In 2016 there were 140 US police officers, with guns, killed in the line of duty.
List of British police officers killed in the line of duty - Wikipedia
In 2016 there were 0 UK police officers killed in the line of duty.
By the Numbers: How Many Cops Are There In the USA?
This guy estimates that there are at least 900,000 police officers in the US.
List of countries and dependencies by number of police officers - Wikipedia
Wikipedia estimates 913,000.
England and Wales has 198,000, plus 17,000 for Scotland and 7,000 for Northern Ireland. That's like 220,000 police officers which would be about comparible with the US per capita. They have 284 per 100,000 in the US and 302 in England and Wales though it's hard to define what is and what isn't a police officer and how much it impacts crime etc. So, we're almost in the same ballpark.
Are there more criminals? Certainly there are more locked up. But then you'd have to ask why the US has more criminals. I could give lots of suggested answers, like the US just doesn't give a shit.
But here's the reality. If guns save lives, why is the US murder rate higher, and why do FAR MORE police officers die every year?
140 in the US, this would be 28 police officers killed in the UK per year in order to be at the same level. You have to go back to October 1999 in order to achieve this level. That's 19 years. This means in the US a police officer is 19 times more likely to die doing their job than a British police office.
Also a US citizen if 4 times more likely to die than a UK citizen.
These are the facts. You can't dress them up with anything.
Having guns in society is more dangerous.
Somehow you suspect?
So you don't know? So you're literally taking the facts that I've presented and ignoring them because it's inconvenient for your narrative and making stuff up to fill the gaps?
Untrue. Most of the "facts" you've presented are no such thing. Lies, spin, irrelevant, invalid and/or unsupported comparisons, and begging the question.
"The problem is, if you look at the statistics, it's better to not be able to defend yourself with a gun at the risk of being attacked by a gun."
Lie. Which is likely the reason why you fail to link or otherwise support your alleged "fact"
You claim that guns attack people and still pretend to deal with facts. How idiotic.
"3/4 of all murders in the US happen with guns. The US murder rate is 4 times higher than the UK murder rate. So the UK murder rate is about the same as the US non-gun murder rate. Coincidence?"
Unsupported, off topic and pointless..
"England and Wales has 198,000, plus 17,000 for Scotland and 7,000 for Northern Ireland....""If guns save lives, why is the US murder rate higher, and why do FAR MORE police officers die every year?"
Fact: If you have far more police policing a far larger population it is altogether reasonable to expect more on the job deaths. And again you fail to provide support for your claims.
"Having guns in society is more dangerous"
Untrue unproven unsupported and (even if true) off topic. And who makes the claim that a more strictly controlled society is preferable to one that is more free?
So what have I said that is false?
I mean, you've not attacked a single fact of mine for being wrong.
No, I don't claim guns attack people.
The fact that you're saying this after quoting me having said
"Sure. But people with guns kill more easily than people without guns."
and then you go off and insult.
You're deflecting, not debating. So, until you stop acting like a child, we're through.
"Sure. But people with guns kill more easily than people without guns."
True. But that truth does not support the idea that there are too many guns in our society and I gave an examples of why that is true.
No, I don't claim guns attack people.
No? You didn't write?:
" ...it's better to not be able to defend yourself with a gun at the risk of being attacked by a gun."
As I said before that whole statement is a lie. What part of that did you not understand?
As also noted the comparison of the raw numbers of officers killed in the US to those killed in the UK has little meaning because of the great difference in the numbers of police officers on the job in both places.
"Statistics say" does not prove a point and doesn't even count as evidence if you don't provide a link or direct quote that can be checked. Claiming something as fact just because you say so doesn't fly.
Firearms do not control people you silly fucker"Sure. But people with guns kill more easily than people without guns."
Absolutely. Which is what makes it possible for somebodies' little old grandmother to successfully defend herself from a big burly ax murderer. Also makes it possible for armed employees to defend schoolchildren.Gun free zones only serve to attract crazies.
Also, why do far more police officers die in the line of duty in the US than the UK? The unarmed police officers in the UK are just potential victims, whereas the armed police officers in the US can defend themselves, so they shouldn't actually die. Right?
Somehow I suspect there are far more of both police officers and criminals in the US than in the UK and that there are far more lives protected with firearms.
The problem is, if you look at the statistics, it's better to not be able to defend yourself with a gun at the risk of being attacked by a gun.
3/4 of all murders in the US happen with guns. The US murder rate is 4 times higher than the UK murder rate. So the UK murder rate is about the same as the US non-gun murder rate. Coincidence?
Somehow you suspect?
So you don't know? So you're literally taking the facts that I've presented and ignoring them because it's inconvenient for your narrative and making stuff up to fill the gaps?
Oh, wow.
Far more police officers means what?
List of American police officers killed in the line of duty - Wikipedia
In 2016 there were 140 US police officers, with guns, killed in the line of duty.
List of British police officers killed in the line of duty - Wikipedia
In 2016 there were 0 UK police officers killed in the line of duty.
By the Numbers: How Many Cops Are There In the USA?
This guy estimates that there are at least 900,000 police officers in the US.
List of countries and dependencies by number of police officers - Wikipedia
Wikipedia estimates 913,000.
England and Wales has 198,000, plus 17,000 for Scotland and 7,000 for Northern Ireland. That's like 220,000 police officers which would be about comparible with the US per capita. They have 284 per 100,000 in the US and 302 in England and Wales though it's hard to define what is and what isn't a police officer and how much it impacts crime etc. So, we're almost in the same ballpark.
Are there more criminals? Certainly there are more locked up. But then you'd have to ask why the US has more criminals. I could give lots of suggested answers, like the US just doesn't give a shit.
But here's the reality. If guns save lives, why is the US murder rate higher, and why do FAR MORE police officers die every year?
140 in the US, this would be 28 police officers killed in the UK per year in order to be at the same level. You have to go back to October 1999 in order to achieve this level. That's 19 years. This means in the US a police officer is 19 times more likely to die doing their job than a British police office.
Also a US citizen if 4 times more likely to die than a UK citizen.
These are the facts. You can't dress them up with anything.
Having guns in society is more dangerous.
Somehow you suspect?
So you don't know? So you're literally taking the facts that I've presented and ignoring them because it's inconvenient for your narrative and making stuff up to fill the gaps?
Untrue. Most of the "facts" you've presented are no such thing. Lies, spin, irrelevant, invalid and/or unsupported comparisons, and begging the question.
"The problem is, if you look at the statistics, it's better to not be able to defend yourself with a gun at the risk of being attacked by a gun."
Lie. Which is likely the reason why you fail to link or otherwise support your alleged "fact"
You claim that guns attack people and still pretend to deal with facts. How idiotic.
"3/4 of all murders in the US happen with guns. The US murder rate is 4 times higher than the UK murder rate. So the UK murder rate is about the same as the US non-gun murder rate. Coincidence?"
Unsupported, off topic and pointless..
"England and Wales has 198,000, plus 17,000 for Scotland and 7,000 for Northern Ireland....""If guns save lives, why is the US murder rate higher, and why do FAR MORE police officers die every year?"
Fact: If you have far more police policing a far larger population it is altogether reasonable to expect more on the job deaths. And again you fail to provide support for your claims.
"Having guns in society is more dangerous"
Untrue unproven unsupported and (even if true) off topic. And who makes the claim that a more strictly controlled society is preferable to one that is more free?
So what have I said that is false?
I mean, you've not attacked a single fact of mine for being wrong.
No, I don't claim guns attack people.
The fact that you're saying this after quoting me having said
"Sure. But people with guns kill more easily than people without guns."
and then you go off and insult.
You're deflecting, not debating. So, until you stop acting like a child, we're through.
"Sure. But people with guns kill more easily than people without guns."
True. But that truth does not support the idea that there are too many guns in our society and I gave an examples of why that is true.
No, I don't claim guns attack people.
No? You didn't write?:
" ...it's better to not be able to defend yourself with a gun at the risk of being attacked by a gun."
As I said before that whole statement is a lie. What part of that did you not understand?
As also noted the comparison of the raw numbers of officers killed in the US to those killed in the UK has little meaning because of the great difference in the numbers of police officers on the job in both places.
"Statistics say" does not prove a point and doesn't even count as evidence if you don't provide a link or direct quote that can be checked. Claiming something as fact just because you say so doesn't fly.
True. Yes, this is what I said, not what you claimed I said.
So why did you claim it?
Yes, I wrote it's better to be without a gun than with a gun. Why?
There are various factors which lead to a place having more crime etc, so you're never going to find a definitive answer, Alaska has the highest rape rate in the US and the highest gun ownership rate in the US too. New Jersey has the lowest rape rate and the 3rd lowest gun ownership rate.
Surely having a gun would prevent rape. Or maybe it empowers rapers.
Most other western countries restrict firearms a lot more than the US and have lower murder rates.
Again, lots of things point to the US having a problem with guns that leads to more gun crime.
Then you're saying it's all a lie. No, this is you using the English language badly. Just because you don't agree with something, doesn't make it a lie.
But then your argument isn't very solid, so you use such language to avoid having to make a decent argument.
You forgot one thing, The military is very pro-Second Amendment in fact overwhelmingly so they would never back the federal government against its own citizens. You stupid ass fuckerWhen the government raids my house with Abrams tanks, I am going to exercise my constitutional right to stop them dead in their tracks with my 9 cartridge 9 MM!
Actually I enjoy your company on this boardYou forgot one thing, The military is very pro-Second Amendment in fact overwhelmingly so they would never back the federal government against its own citizens. You stupid ass fuckerWhen the government raids my house with Abrams tanks, I am going to exercise my constitutional right to stop them dead in their tracks with my 9 cartridge 9 MM!
Sometimes, I think that you don't like me, Rustic!
Yeah, back in the 70s it was good old fashioned stabbings.How many shootings in schools is that 11 in 23 days? Great job!
When the government raids my house with Abrams tanks, I am going to exercise my constitutional right to stop them dead in their tracks with my 9 cartridge 9 MM!
Freedom in the United States is based on laws not on guns idiot.When the government raids my house with Abrams tanks, I am going to exercise my constitutional right to stop them dead in their tracks with my 9 cartridge 9 MM!
No, you would drop to your knees and offer to suck dick and spread some lube on your anus because you are a gutless wonder.
Vandalshandal SEZ????? "You can't defeat da gubermint so just surrender and submit!!!!"
Right off of the top of my head I can think of six million Jewish folks that wish that they could have fought back had they been armed and the death that they would have suffered for doing so at the very least, would not have been one of starvation and torture. Fuck you and your liberal commie fuckwads.......want the guns of the people? Put your scrawny ass in the front of the line and demand it. I would wager that you will get the ammo in the form of empty shells fired first.
Seriously, liberal pussies like you make me sick to my stomach.............maybe some day your nads will drop.
Whatever, dupe. There are shootings everywhere concerts theaters night clubs take a break with the brainwashing...How many shootings in schools is that 11 in 23 days? Great job!
Schools are gun free zones. Great job!
Freedom in the United States is based on laws not on guns idiot.When the government raids my house with Abrams tanks, I am going to exercise my constitutional right to stop them dead in their tracks with my 9 cartridge 9 MM!
No, you would drop to your knees and offer to suck dick and spread some lube on your anus because you are a gutless wonder.
Vandalshandal SEZ????? "You can't defeat da gubermint so just surrender and submit!!!!"
Right off of the top of my head I can think of six million Jewish folks that wish that they could have fought back had they been armed and the death that they would have suffered for doing so at the very least, would not have been one of starvation and torture. Fuck you and your liberal commie fuckwads.......want the guns of the people? Put your scrawny ass in the front of the line and demand it. I would wager that you will get the ammo in the form of empty shells fired first.
Seriously, liberal pussies like you make me sick to my stomach.............maybe some day your nads will drop.
Right off the top of your brainwashed head it was the first thing that popped into your brain, dupe. The NRA and the GOP have brainwashed you fools until you think guns rule the country not law.When the government raids my house with Abrams tanks, I am going to exercise my constitutional right to stop them dead in their tracks with my 9 cartridge 9 MM!
No, you would drop to your knees and offer to suck dick and spread some lube on your anus because you are a gutless wonder.
Vandalshandal SEZ????? "You can't defeat da gubermint so just surrender and submit!!!!"
Right off of the top of my head I can think of six million Jewish folks that wish that they could have fought back had they been armed and the death that they would have suffered for doing so at the very least, would not have been one of starvation and torture. Fuck you and your liberal commie fuckwads.......want the guns of the people? Put your scrawny ass in the front of the line and demand it. I would wager that you will get the ammo in the form of empty shells fired first.
Seriously, liberal pussies like you make me sick to my stomach.............maybe some day your nads will drop.
I know where they go it's obvious figure it out it's the smartphone not me...Freedom in the United States is based on laws not on guns idiot.When the government raids my house with Abrams tanks, I am going to exercise my constitutional right to stop them dead in their tracks with my 9 cartridge 9 MM!
No, you would drop to your knees and offer to suck dick and spread some lube on your anus because you are a gutless wonder.
Vandalshandal SEZ????? "You can't defeat da gubermint so just surrender and submit!!!!"
Right off of the top of my head I can think of six million Jewish folks that wish that they could have fought back had they been armed and the death that they would have suffered for doing so at the very least, would not have been one of starvation and torture. Fuck you and your liberal commie fuckwads.......want the guns of the people? Put your scrawny ass in the front of the line and demand it. I would wager that you will get the ammo in the form of empty shells fired first.
Seriously, liberal pussies like you make me sick to my stomach.............maybe some day your nads will drop.
Learn where to place a "comma", idiot
Control?I wonder what level of killings there would have to be before the gun nuts would consider any form of control ?
It's not velour but they are less likely to get scratched or damaged.How many shootings in schools is that 11 in 23 days? Great job!
The en'r'a' is worried guns may be getting over taxed and need a rest. They are offering gun safe zones where you can go place your gun in a velour cozy for a few days to allow the gun to readjust after a shooting.
Whatever, dupe. There are shootings everywhere concerts theaters night clubs take a break with the brainwashing...How many shootings in schools is that 11 in 23 days? Great job!
Schools are gun free zones. Great job!
How many shootings in schools is that 11 in 23 days? Great job!
Absolutely. But the number would come down slowly with better background checks and a democratic culture rather than this Reaganist Pander to the rich BS and so much poverty really...For the billionth time, super dupe, no one is even talking about taking away anybody's guns... You people are out of your mind s. We're talking about background checks and bump stocks and automatic weapons kits.Help me out here. We can’t deport 11 million illegal immigrants because that is too hard. We can somehow round up an estimated 300 million firearms from some 150 million people with little or no trouble. It’s just impossible, too expensive, and too hard to deport the illegals. But it would be cheap and easy to round up guns.
Is that an accurate summation?
Really? Because that isn’t what you said in the OP. You said 300 million + was too many.
Actually, despite 25 years of fake news character assassination by basically all our pathetic media, probably 40% of the country's still knows that the clintons have been investigated a million times and nothing has been found, super dupe conspiracy Nut Job lol.There is no mystery, she got her money by speeches and writing books like the 43 million dollars she got for the last one. Zzzzzzzzzzz all investigated and not a damn thing.[
You've gotten a false rating on that one.
No evidence that the kickback scheme that defrauded Tenex overlapped with Rosatom’s efforts to buy Uranium One.
You are confused about this.
Hopefully Trump has the courage to do a real investigation and we can find out how come that shithead Clinton managed to get $200 million in her bank account and that the Russians got 20% of our uranium. We know that the filthy ass Obama administration didn't investigate it .,
Aren't you a dumbass? The only idiot left in America that thinks the Clintons are honest and they got $200 million legitimately.
