CDZ I am For Picture ID For Voting

[MisterBeale]

I just renewed my husband DL online. All I needed was his DL. Next time he has to go in to have his eyes checked and to renew his picture, every 8th year you have to go back in , in MI.

I also got a duplicate DL, we have to show our voters ID and also the DL ID or state ID when we go to the polls.

Now we have NO EXCUSE absentee ballots and for that you have to have (which people voted on):
To use this website, you need to be registered to vote in Michigan and have a valid Michigan driver’s license or state ID. If you need to register to vote, click on "Registering To Vote." If you don’t have a Michigan driver’s license or state ID but you are registered to vote, click on "Absentee Voting" for more information on how you can apply for an absent voter ballot.

and you have to register to vote:
Some clerk’s offices have opened satellite offices for voter registration. You must show proof of where you live. Documents must have your name and current address. You can show a digital copy of any document. Acceptable documents include:

Michigan driver’s license or State ID card
Current utility bill
Bank statement
Paycheck or government check
Other government document

After registering, you can vote an absent voter ballot at the clerk’s office or you can vote at your polling place on Election Day.

Military and overseas civilian voters have additional options to register. For more information, visit this page.
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I pretty much think all states are like this.

And, pray tell, how the hell do you get utilities, a bank account, a job or a government check (or ANY government benefits), or prove your identity to the government for anything else, without an ID???

The simple answer is, YOU CAN'T!!!

13 states allow illegals to travel to work and school with a drivers license and none of them states allow then to vote (from what I read) and most of them are workers.

Actually, that's why I think that the idea of requiring a FEDERAL ID (ISSUED ONLY TO INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN PROVE CITIZENSHIP, OR THAT HAS A FEATURE TO VERIFY CITIZENSHIP) has merit....

NO ID VERIFYING CITIZENSHIP, NO VOTE!!!!

A voters registration card that everyone gets when they registers verifies citizenship.

No it doesn't.

I some states, you can register for local elections, but that doesn't qualify you for national elections. Nor does it convey citizenship.

If you are an illegal alien, it is against the law to vote in national elections. But you can, in some instances, register to vote in local elections.


Are you really this dumb?

You can post these examples right?

San Francisco allows undocumented immigrants to vote in school elections

Proponents argued that expanding school board elections to non-citizens made sense given that one-third of children in the system have foreign-born parents.

www.nbcnews.com

San Francisco will allow noncitizens to vote in a local election, creating a new immigration flashpoint

San Francisco in November will become the largest city in the nation to allow noncitizens the chance to vote in a local election, making the city once again a flashpoint in the debate about immigration.

www.latimes.com

I said that registering to vote will verify citizenship. If people register to vote in this small instance it will verify their status will it not?

So if registering to vote "verifies citizenship", are you trying to say that all it takes to become a US citizen is to try to vote in our elections???

WHAT A DUMBASS!!!

He'll never admit he was wrong.

These common wealth agitator's don't know shit about our system, and they are only here to cause trouble and stir the pot, while spreading false information and trying to divide us while attempting to get us to give up our civil rights and civil liberties in the name of "safety." psshaw.

They don't want us gathering, speaking to eachother in gatherings and worshipping the creator, they don't want us speaking freely, they don't want us armed, and they sure as hell don't want us thinking our own thoughts, investigating things for ourselves, and publishing things so we can read it among ourselves.

They want us to be slaves to the crown corporation once again. They wants us taxed at what ever rate they see fit, and of course, they want absolute control of the economy and currency in perpetuity.

The best way to accomplish that is to get us hating each other.

 

[pknopp]

I just renewed my husband DL online. All I needed was his DL. Next time he has to go in to have his eyes checked and to renew his picture, every 8th year you have to go back in , in MI.

I also got a duplicate DL, we have to show our voters ID and also the DL ID or state ID when we go to the polls.

Now we have NO EXCUSE absentee ballots and for that you have to have (which people voted on):
To use this website, you need to be registered to vote in Michigan and have a valid Michigan driver’s license or state ID. If you need to register to vote, click on "Registering To Vote." If you don’t have a Michigan driver’s license or state ID but you are registered to vote, click on "Absentee Voting" for more information on how you can apply for an absent voter ballot.

and you have to register to vote:
Some clerk’s offices have opened satellite offices for voter registration. You must show proof of where you live. Documents must have your name and current address. You can show a digital copy of any document. Acceptable documents include:

Michigan driver’s license or State ID card
Current utility bill
Bank statement
Paycheck or government check
Other government document

After registering, you can vote an absent voter ballot at the clerk’s office or you can vote at your polling place on Election Day.

Military and overseas civilian voters have additional options to register. For more information, visit this page.
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I pretty much think all states are like this.

And, pray tell, how the hell do you get utilities, a bank account, a job or a government check (or ANY government benefits), or prove your identity to the government for anything else, without an ID???

The simple answer is, YOU CAN'T!!!

13 states allow illegals to travel to work and school with a drivers license and none of them states allow then to vote (from what I read) and most of them are workers.

Actually, that's why I think that the idea of requiring a FEDERAL ID (ISSUED ONLY TO INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN PROVE CITIZENSHIP, OR THAT HAS A FEATURE TO VERIFY CITIZENSHIP) has merit....

NO ID VERIFYING CITIZENSHIP, NO VOTE!!!!

A voters registration card that everyone gets when they registers verifies citizenship.

No it doesn't.

I some states, you can register for local elections, but that doesn't qualify you for national elections. Nor does it convey citizenship.

If you are an illegal alien, it is against the law to vote in national elections. But you can, in some instances, register to vote in local elections.


Are you really this dumb?

You can post these examples right?

San Francisco allows undocumented immigrants to vote in school elections

Proponents argued that expanding school board elections to non-citizens made sense given that one-third of children in the system have foreign-born parents.

www.nbcnews.com

San Francisco will allow noncitizens to vote in a local election, creating a new immigration flashpoint

San Francisco in November will become the largest city in the nation to allow noncitizens the chance to vote in a local election, making the city once again a flashpoint in the debate about immigration.

www.latimes.com

I said that registering to vote will verify citizenship. If people register to vote in this small instance it will verify their status will it not?

So if registering to vote "verifies citizenship", are you trying to say that all it takes to become a US citizen is to try to vote in our elections???

WHAT A DUMBASS!!!

He'll never admit he was wrong.

These common wealth agitator's don't know shit about our system, and they are only here to cause trouble and stir the pot, while spreading false information and trying to divide us while attempting to get us to give up our civil rights and civil liberties in the name of "safety." psshaw.

They don't want us gathering, speaking to eachother in gatherings and worshipping the creator, they don't want us speaking freely, they don't want us armed, and they sure as hell don't want us thinking our own thoughts, investigating things for ourselves, and publishing things so we can read it among ourselves.

They want us to be slaves to the crown corporation once again. They wants us taxed at what ever rate they see fit, and of course, they want absolute control of the economy and currency in perpetuity.

The best way to accomplish that is to get us hating each other.

In the example presented no one was even pretending they were citizens. It actually enforced what I said.

Registering to vote enforces who is a citizen and who is not.

 

[MisterBeale]

I just renewed my husband DL online. All I needed was his DL. Next time he has to go in to have his eyes checked and to renew his picture, every 8th year you have to go back in , in MI.

I also got a duplicate DL, we have to show our voters ID and also the DL ID or state ID when we go to the polls.

Now we have NO EXCUSE absentee ballots and for that you have to have (which people voted on):
To use this website, you need to be registered to vote in Michigan and have a valid Michigan driver’s license or state ID. If you need to register to vote, click on "Registering To Vote." If you don’t have a Michigan driver’s license or state ID but you are registered to vote, click on "Absentee Voting" for more information on how you can apply for an absent voter ballot.

and you have to register to vote:
Some clerk’s offices have opened satellite offices for voter registration. You must show proof of where you live. Documents must have your name and current address. You can show a digital copy of any document. Acceptable documents include:

Michigan driver’s license or State ID card
Current utility bill
Bank statement
Paycheck or government check
Other government document

After registering, you can vote an absent voter ballot at the clerk’s office or you can vote at your polling place on Election Day.

Military and overseas civilian voters have additional options to register. For more information, visit this page.
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I pretty much think all states are like this.

And, pray tell, how the hell do you get utilities, a bank account, a job or a government check (or ANY government benefits), or prove your identity to the government for anything else, without an ID???

The simple answer is, YOU CAN'T!!!

13 states allow illegals to travel to work and school with a drivers license and none of them states allow then to vote (from what I read) and most of them are workers.

Actually, that's why I think that the idea of requiring a FEDERAL ID (ISSUED ONLY TO INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN PROVE CITIZENSHIP, OR THAT HAS A FEATURE TO VERIFY CITIZENSHIP) has merit....

NO ID VERIFYING CITIZENSHIP, NO VOTE!!!!

A voters registration card that everyone gets when they registers verifies citizenship.

No it doesn't.

I some states, you can register for local elections, but that doesn't qualify you for national elections. Nor does it convey citizenship.

If you are an illegal alien, it is against the law to vote in national elections. But you can, in some instances, register to vote in local elections.


Are you really this dumb?

You can post these examples right?

San Francisco allows undocumented immigrants to vote in school elections

Proponents argued that expanding school board elections to non-citizens made sense given that one-third of children in the system have foreign-born parents.

www.nbcnews.com

San Francisco will allow noncitizens to vote in a local election, creating a new immigration flashpoint

San Francisco in November will become the largest city in the nation to allow noncitizens the chance to vote in a local election, making the city once again a flashpoint in the debate about immigration.

www.latimes.com

I said that registering to vote will verify citizenship. If people register to vote in this small instance it will verify their status will it not?

What of it?

If they register to vote. . . the states probably will let them vote. . . illegally in national elections as well. This is the conservative biggest fear you dolt. Why do you think California had so many folks voting for Hillary?

. . . and when Trump asked to see if they did, or did not? You know what they told him?

 

[MisterBeale]

I just renewed my husband DL online. All I needed was his DL. Next time he has to go in to have his eyes checked and to renew his picture, every 8th year you have to go back in , in MI.

I also got a duplicate DL, we have to show our voters ID and also the DL ID or state ID when we go to the polls.

Now we have NO EXCUSE absentee ballots and for that you have to have (which people voted on):
To use this website, you need to be registered to vote in Michigan and have a valid Michigan driver’s license or state ID. If you need to register to vote, click on "Registering To Vote." If you don’t have a Michigan driver’s license or state ID but you are registered to vote, click on "Absentee Voting" for more information on how you can apply for an absent voter ballot.

and you have to register to vote:
Some clerk’s offices have opened satellite offices for voter registration. You must show proof of where you live. Documents must have your name and current address. You can show a digital copy of any document. Acceptable documents include:

Michigan driver’s license or State ID card
Current utility bill
Bank statement
Paycheck or government check
Other government document

After registering, you can vote an absent voter ballot at the clerk’s office or you can vote at your polling place on Election Day.

Military and overseas civilian voters have additional options to register. For more information, visit this page.
__________________________________-
I pretty much think all states are like this.

And, pray tell, how the hell do you get utilities, a bank account, a job or a government check (or ANY government benefits), or prove your identity to the government for anything else, without an ID???

The simple answer is, YOU CAN'T!!!

13 states allow illegals to travel to work and school with a drivers license and none of them states allow then to vote (from what I read) and most of them are workers.

Actually, that's why I think that the idea of requiring a FEDERAL ID (ISSUED ONLY TO INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN PROVE CITIZENSHIP, OR THAT HAS A FEATURE TO VERIFY CITIZENSHIP) has merit....

NO ID VERIFYING CITIZENSHIP, NO VOTE!!!!

A voters registration card that everyone gets when they registers verifies citizenship.

No it doesn't.

I some states, you can register for local elections, but that doesn't qualify you for national elections. Nor does it convey citizenship.

If you are an illegal alien, it is against the law to vote in national elections. But you can, in some instances, register to vote in local elections.


Are you really this dumb?

You can post these examples right?

San Francisco allows undocumented immigrants to vote in school elections

Proponents argued that expanding school board elections to non-citizens made sense given that one-third of children in the system have foreign-born parents.

www.nbcnews.com

San Francisco will allow noncitizens to vote in a local election, creating a new immigration flashpoint

San Francisco in November will become the largest city in the nation to allow noncitizens the chance to vote in a local election, making the city once again a flashpoint in the debate about immigration.

www.latimes.com

I said that registering to vote will verify citizenship. If people register to vote in this small instance it will verify their status will it not?

So if registering to vote "verifies citizenship", are you trying to say that all it takes to become a US citizen is to try to vote in our elections???

WHAT A DUMBASS!!!

He'll never admit he was wrong.

These common wealth agitator's don't know shit about our system, and they are only here to cause trouble and stir the pot, while spreading false information and trying to divide us while attempting to get us to give up our civil rights and civil liberties in the name of "safety." psshaw.

They don't want us gathering, speaking to eachother in gatherings and worshipping the creator, they don't want us speaking freely, they don't want us armed, and they sure as hell don't want us thinking our own thoughts, investigating things for ourselves, and publishing things so we can read it among ourselves.

They want us to be slaves to the crown corporation once again. They wants us taxed at what ever rate they see fit, and of course, they want absolute control of the economy and currency in perpetuity.

The best way to accomplish that is to get us hating each other.

In the example presented no one was even pretending they were citizens. It actually enforced what I said.

Registering to vote enforces who is a citizen and who is not.

. . . but no one who matters or cares will ever know. . . .

 

[pknopp]

I just renewed my husband DL online. All I needed was his DL. Next time he has to go in to have his eyes checked and to renew his picture, every 8th year you have to go back in , in MI.

I also got a duplicate DL, we have to show our voters ID and also the DL ID or state ID when we go to the polls.

Now we have NO EXCUSE absentee ballots and for that you have to have (which people voted on):
To use this website, you need to be registered to vote in Michigan and have a valid Michigan driver’s license or state ID. If you need to register to vote, click on "Registering To Vote." If you don’t have a Michigan driver’s license or state ID but you are registered to vote, click on "Absentee Voting" for more information on how you can apply for an absent voter ballot.

and you have to register to vote:
Some clerk’s offices have opened satellite offices for voter registration. You must show proof of where you live. Documents must have your name and current address. You can show a digital copy of any document. Acceptable documents include:

Michigan driver’s license or State ID card
Current utility bill
Bank statement
Paycheck or government check
Other government document

After registering, you can vote an absent voter ballot at the clerk’s office or you can vote at your polling place on Election Day.

Military and overseas civilian voters have additional options to register. For more information, visit this page.
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I pretty much think all states are like this.

And, pray tell, how the hell do you get utilities, a bank account, a job or a government check (or ANY government benefits), or prove your identity to the government for anything else, without an ID???

The simple answer is, YOU CAN'T!!!

13 states allow illegals to travel to work and school with a drivers license and none of them states allow then to vote (from what I read) and most of them are workers.

Actually, that's why I think that the idea of requiring a FEDERAL ID (ISSUED ONLY TO INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN PROVE CITIZENSHIP, OR THAT HAS A FEATURE TO VERIFY CITIZENSHIP) has merit....

NO ID VERIFYING CITIZENSHIP, NO VOTE!!!!

A voters registration card that everyone gets when they registers verifies citizenship.

No it doesn't.

I some states, you can register for local elections, but that doesn't qualify you for national elections. Nor does it convey citizenship.

If you are an illegal alien, it is against the law to vote in national elections. But you can, in some instances, register to vote in local elections.


Are you really this dumb?

You can post these examples right?

San Francisco allows undocumented immigrants to vote in school elections

Proponents argued that expanding school board elections to non-citizens made sense given that one-third of children in the system have foreign-born parents.

www.nbcnews.com

San Francisco will allow noncitizens to vote in a local election, creating a new immigration flashpoint

San Francisco in November will become the largest city in the nation to allow noncitizens the chance to vote in a local election, making the city once again a flashpoint in the debate about immigration.

www.latimes.com

I said that registering to vote will verify citizenship. If people register to vote in this small instance it will verify their status will it not?

What of it?

If they register to vote. . . the states probably will let them vote. . . illegally in national elections as well. This is the conservative biggest fear you dolt. Why do you think California had so many folks voting for Hillary?

. . . and when Trump asked to see if they did, or did not? You know what they told him?

If all you are able to muster is juevinile name calling I'm not interested.

 

[candycorn]

Lotsa good stuff; tganks

 

[candycorn]

Really, what is the problem? You go down to the DMV or County Clerk’s Office or whatever set up your local town or hamlet has and get a photographic ID made so the poll workers can verify your sacred vote is cast by no one other than yourself. As long as there is no charge for the ID, there cannot be a serious allegation made that this is an undue burden to the person who wishes to vote. Nor, as long as it is made available to any and all who wish to seek to register for the picture ID, can one seriously contend that this is some form of voter suppression. I may listen to an argument about forcing someone to do it every year but once every 2-4 years doesn't seem like too much of an imposition to me.



Now, for the record, I’m fully in favor of having federal laws that require states to provide absentee voting prior to the official election day –the Tuesday after the first Monday in November—for at least a week. Voting by mail has been done for nearly 100 years without any issues. Those who think this is a portal to fraud are just not thinking it through. Even more heinous is the position that you have to have a “good reason” to vote absentee; as if it is some sort of business of the State why you feel more comfortable about voting from your living room as opposed to going to the local school house. I am also for standardization of the voting devices as well as the picture ID I sponsored in the first paragraph. Meaning that someone from Peoria who happens to be in Pittsburgh and wishes to vote simply goes to the polling place, swipes their standard uniform voter ID card into the uniform and standardized voting device and their local ballot from Peoria comes up on the screen. They make their selections and go about their merry way just as they would do in person at their high school or fire department.



The resistance to having an ID to vote comes mainly from the left of which I’m a member in good standing in most of the online tests I have taken. I’m for a woman’s right to privacy, oppose Trump, am in favor or equal pay for equal work, am for raising the minimum wage incrementally to $10.00 an hour, am against separating families at the border except as a last resort, support the ACA, etc… However, on this topic, I have to call BS on those who think obtaining a picture ID card to vote is an undue burden or, more troubling, is unnecessary. I covered the “undue burden” argument already. As for the argument that it is not necessary, one should consider that every two years, there are a lot of local initiatives on the same ballot as the federal offices. These “down ballot” races do not get a lot of attention nationally and in some cases even locally. Raising the local tax rate or allowing the City or State to have more power can affect your family for decades. Wouldn’t you want the vote for such laws and ordinances to be of persons from your locality or State? And this is just the bi-annual elections. What about off year and primary races where the turnout is in the hundreds and a few votes cast inaccurately (either by accident or on purpose) can sway who the nominee becomes? Thinking it is unnecessary and reality are two different things.


Whatsmore is this; if we have the tools for accuracy….why not just make it as accurate as possible? It seems like a no-brainer to me.

I am too.
And even more, before you could get one you'd first have serve at least two years in the military or four years non military in service to your country. Otherwise you can sit down, STFU and never get to vote. You'd have to earn your voice by getting some skin in the game first. Then maybe people would attach some value to it and not piss it away voting for idiots and their idiotic causes

Like building a wall for example.

Moronic take

 

[candycorn]

Really, what is the problem? You go down to the DMV or County Clerk’s Office or whatever set up your local town or hamlet has and get a photographic ID made so the poll workers can verify your sacred vote is cast by no one other than yourself. As long as there is no charge for the ID, there cannot be a serious allegation made that this is an undue burden to the person who wishes to vote. Nor, as long as it is made available to any and all who wish to seek to register for the picture ID, can one seriously contend that this is some form of voter suppression. I may listen to an argument about forcing someone to do it every year but once every 2-4 years doesn't seem like too much of an imposition to me.



Now, for the record, I’m fully in favor of having federal laws that require states to provide absentee voting prior to the official election day –the Tuesday after the first Monday in November—for at least a week. Voting by mail has been done for nearly 100 years without any issues. Those who think this is a portal to fraud are just not thinking it through. Even more heinous is the position that you have to have a “good reason” to vote absentee; as if it is some sort of business of the State why you feel more comfortable about voting from your living room as opposed to going to the local school house. I am also for standardization of the voting devices as well as the picture ID I sponsored in the first paragraph. Meaning that someone from Peoria who happens to be in Pittsburgh and wishes to vote simply goes to the polling place, swipes their standard uniform voter ID card into the uniform and standardized voting device and their local ballot from Peoria comes up on the screen. They make their selections and go about their merry way just as they would do in person at their high school or fire department.



The resistance to having an ID to vote comes mainly from the left of which I’m a member in good standing in most of the online tests I have taken. I’m for a woman’s right to privacy, oppose Trump, am in favor or equal pay for equal work, am for raising the minimum wage incrementally to $10.00 an hour, am against separating families at the border except as a last resort, support the ACA, etc… However, on this topic, I have to call BS on those who think obtaining a picture ID card to vote is an undue burden or, more troubling, is unnecessary. I covered the “undue burden” argument already. As for the argument that it is not necessary, one should consider that every two years, there are a lot of local initiatives on the same ballot as the federal offices. These “down ballot” races do not get a lot of attention nationally and in some cases even locally. Raising the local tax rate or allowing the City or State to have more power can affect your family for decades. Wouldn’t you want the vote for such laws and ordinances to be of persons from your locality or State? And this is just the bi-annual elections. What about off year and primary races where the turnout is in the hundreds and a few votes cast inaccurately (either by accident or on purpose) can sway who the nominee becomes? Thinking it is unnecessary and reality are two different things.


Whatsmore is this; if we have the tools for accuracy….why not just make it as accurate as possible? It seems like a no-brainer to me.

as long as they can show good reason for why they will be absent and cant vote,,,

being to lazy to get out and go vote is not a good reason,,,

Who decides what a “good reason” is?

 

[Disir]

I love debates like this because it showcases the rubber meeting the road. It's not about people it's about maintaining power by any means necessary for a political party. It's very transparent.

 

[MisterBeale]

I just renewed my husband DL online. All I needed was his DL. Next time he has to go in to have his eyes checked and to renew his picture, every 8th year you have to go back in , in MI.

I also got a duplicate DL, we have to show our voters ID and also the DL ID or state ID when we go to the polls.

Now we have NO EXCUSE absentee ballots and for that you have to have (which people voted on):
To use this website, you need to be registered to vote in Michigan and have a valid Michigan driver’s license or state ID. If you need to register to vote, click on "Registering To Vote." If you don’t have a Michigan driver’s license or state ID but you are registered to vote, click on "Absentee Voting" for more information on how you can apply for an absent voter ballot.

and you have to register to vote:
Some clerk’s offices have opened satellite offices for voter registration. You must show proof of where you live. Documents must have your name and current address. You can show a digital copy of any document. Acceptable documents include:

Michigan driver’s license or State ID card
Current utility bill
Bank statement
Paycheck or government check
Other government document

After registering, you can vote an absent voter ballot at the clerk’s office or you can vote at your polling place on Election Day.

Military and overseas civilian voters have additional options to register. For more information, visit this page.
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I pretty much think all states are like this.

And, pray tell, how the hell do you get utilities, a bank account, a job or a government check (or ANY government benefits), or prove your identity to the government for anything else, without an ID???

The simple answer is, YOU CAN'T!!!

13 states allow illegals to travel to work and school with a drivers license and none of them states allow then to vote (from what I read) and most of them are workers.

Actually, that's why I think that the idea of requiring a FEDERAL ID (ISSUED ONLY TO INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN PROVE CITIZENSHIP, OR THAT HAS A FEATURE TO VERIFY CITIZENSHIP) has merit....

NO ID VERIFYING CITIZENSHIP, NO VOTE!!!!

A voters registration card that everyone gets when they registers verifies citizenship.

No it doesn't.

I some states, you can register for local elections, but that doesn't qualify you for national elections. Nor does it convey citizenship.

If you are an illegal alien, it is against the law to vote in national elections. But you can, in some instances, register to vote in local elections.


Are you really this dumb?

You can post these examples right?

San Francisco allows undocumented immigrants to vote in school elections

Proponents argued that expanding school board elections to non-citizens made sense given that one-third of children in the system have foreign-born parents.

www.nbcnews.com

San Francisco will allow noncitizens to vote in a local election, creating a new immigration flashpoint

San Francisco in November will become the largest city in the nation to allow noncitizens the chance to vote in a local election, making the city once again a flashpoint in the debate about immigration.

www.latimes.com

I said that registering to vote will verify citizenship. If people register to vote in this small instance it will verify their status will it not?

What of it?

If they register to vote. . . the states probably will let them vote. . . illegally in national elections as well. This is the conservative biggest fear you dolt. Why do you think California had so many folks voting for Hillary?

. . . and when Trump asked to see if they did, or did not? You know what they told him?

If all you are able to muster is juevinile name calling I'm not interested.

My apologies.

Address the arguments and stop ignoring the issues and I won't get frustrated with you acting a fool.


Just because illegal aliens register and vote in California does not make them citizens, nor does it necessarily guarantee the rest of the nation that they are not voting in national elections.

Keep your common wealth ignorance out of our elections.

 

[pknopp]

I just renewed my husband DL online. All I needed was his DL. Next time he has to go in to have his eyes checked and to renew his picture, every 8th year you have to go back in , in MI.

I also got a duplicate DL, we have to show our voters ID and also the DL ID or state ID when we go to the polls.

Now we have NO EXCUSE absentee ballots and for that you have to have (which people voted on):
To use this website, you need to be registered to vote in Michigan and have a valid Michigan driver’s license or state ID. If you need to register to vote, click on "Registering To Vote." If you don’t have a Michigan driver’s license or state ID but you are registered to vote, click on "Absentee Voting" for more information on how you can apply for an absent voter ballot.

and you have to register to vote:
Some clerk’s offices have opened satellite offices for voter registration. You must show proof of where you live. Documents must have your name and current address. You can show a digital copy of any document. Acceptable documents include:

Michigan driver’s license or State ID card
Current utility bill
Bank statement
Paycheck or government check
Other government document

After registering, you can vote an absent voter ballot at the clerk’s office or you can vote at your polling place on Election Day.

Military and overseas civilian voters have additional options to register. For more information, visit this page.
__________________________________-
I pretty much think all states are like this.

And, pray tell, how the hell do you get utilities, a bank account, a job or a government check (or ANY government benefits), or prove your identity to the government for anything else, without an ID???

The simple answer is, YOU CAN'T!!!

13 states allow illegals to travel to work and school with a drivers license and none of them states allow then to vote (from what I read) and most of them are workers.

Actually, that's why I think that the idea of requiring a FEDERAL ID (ISSUED ONLY TO INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN PROVE CITIZENSHIP, OR THAT HAS A FEATURE TO VERIFY CITIZENSHIP) has merit....

NO ID VERIFYING CITIZENSHIP, NO VOTE!!!!

A voters registration card that everyone gets when they registers verifies citizenship.

No it doesn't.

I some states, you can register for local elections, but that doesn't qualify you for national elections. Nor does it convey citizenship.

If you are an illegal alien, it is against the law to vote in national elections. But you can, in some instances, register to vote in local elections.


Are you really this dumb?

You can post these examples right?

San Francisco allows undocumented immigrants to vote in school elections

Proponents argued that expanding school board elections to non-citizens made sense given that one-third of children in the system have foreign-born parents.

www.nbcnews.com

San Francisco will allow noncitizens to vote in a local election, creating a new immigration flashpoint

San Francisco in November will become the largest city in the nation to allow noncitizens the chance to vote in a local election, making the city once again a flashpoint in the debate about immigration.

www.latimes.com

I said that registering to vote will verify citizenship. If people register to vote in this small instance it will verify their status will it not?

What of it?

If they register to vote. . . the states probably will let them vote. . . illegally in national elections as well. This is the conservative biggest fear you dolt. Why do you think California had so many folks voting for Hillary?

. . . and when Trump asked to see if they did, or did not? You know what they told him?

If all you are able to muster is juevinile name calling I'm not interested.

My apologies.

Address the arguments and stop ignoring the issues and I won't get frustrated with you acting a fool.


Just because illegal aliens register and vote in California does not make them citizens, nor does it necessarily guarantee the rest of the nation that they are not voting in national elections.

Keep your common wealth ignorance out of our elections.

Nobody said it makes them citizens.

 

[Care4all]

I just renewed my husband DL online. All I needed was his DL. Next time he has to go in to have his eyes checked and to renew his picture, every 8th year you have to go back in , in MI.

I also got a duplicate DL, we have to show our voters ID and also the DL ID or state ID when we go to the polls.

Now we have NO EXCUSE absentee ballots and for that you have to have (which people voted on):
To use this website, you need to be registered to vote in Michigan and have a valid Michigan driver’s license or state ID. If you need to register to vote, click on "Registering To Vote." If you don’t have a Michigan driver’s license or state ID but you are registered to vote, click on "Absentee Voting" for more information on how you can apply for an absent voter ballot.

and you have to register to vote:
Some clerk’s offices have opened satellite offices for voter registration. You must show proof of where you live. Documents must have your name and current address. You can show a digital copy of any document. Acceptable documents include:

Michigan driver’s license or State ID card
Current utility bill
Bank statement
Paycheck or government check
Other government document

After registering, you can vote an absent voter ballot at the clerk’s office or you can vote at your polling place on Election Day.

Military and overseas civilian voters have additional options to register. For more information, visit this page.
__________________________________-
I pretty much think all states are like this.

And, pray tell, how the hell do you get utilities, a bank account, a job or a government check (or ANY government benefits), or prove your identity to the government for anything else, without an ID???

The simple answer is, YOU CAN'T!!!

13 states allow illegals to travel to work and school with a drivers license and none of them states allow then to vote (from what I read) and most of them are workers.

Actually, that's why I think that the idea of requiring a FEDERAL ID (ISSUED ONLY TO INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN PROVE CITIZENSHIP, OR THAT HAS A FEATURE TO VERIFY CITIZENSHIP) has merit....

NO ID VERIFYING CITIZENSHIP, NO VOTE!!!!

A voters registration card that everyone gets when they registers verifies citizenship.

No it doesn't.

I some states, you can register for local elections, but that doesn't qualify you for national elections. Nor does it convey citizenship.

If you are an illegal alien, it is against the law to vote in national elections. But you can, in some instances, register to vote in local elections.


Are you really this dumb?

You can post these examples right?

San Francisco allows undocumented immigrants to vote in school elections

Proponents argued that expanding school board elections to non-citizens made sense given that one-third of children in the system have foreign-born parents.

www.nbcnews.com

San Francisco will allow noncitizens to vote in a local election, creating a new immigration flashpoint

San Francisco in November will become the largest city in the nation to allow noncitizens the chance to vote in a local election, making the city once again a flashpoint in the debate about immigration.

www.latimes.com

I said that registering to vote will verify citizenship. If people register to vote in this small instance it will verify their status will it not?

What of it?

If they register to vote. . . the states probably will let them vote. . . illegally in national elections as well. This is the conservative biggest fear you dolt. Why do you think California had so many folks voting for Hillary?

. . . and when Trump asked to see if they did, or did not? You know what they told him?

Hogwash, misterbeale!

 

[gipper]

“Really, what is the problem?”

The problem is that there are registered voters – citizens who have been voting consistently for decades – who lack the documentation required to obtain a photo ID.

There is that. I'm sure that most can be grandfathered in and a 70 y/o man won't have to get his birth certificate or what have you if he has no drivers licenses.

The problem is that when one registers to vote for the first time in a new jurisdiction, he’s required to provide a photo ID. As long as a citizen remains active and current on the registration rolls, there’s no need for the voter to continue to provide a photo ID.

Again, I'm sure that most can be grandfathered in. And I'm sure most already have a photo ID for other uses such as a drivers license.

The problem is that voter ‘fraud’ by false identification is virtually non-existent to the extent that the requirements to obtain and provide a photo ID are not justified – particularly when it prohibits a lawfully registered voter from voting.

Fraud? There is intentional fraud to vote several times and then there are simple mistakes that are made. People being allowed to vote for measures that don't affect them for example. Updating he voter rolls would help eliminate that.

The problem is that voter ID laws are enacted in bad faith – seeking to suppress votes rather than prevent non-existent ‘fraud.’

That is an opinion. If you can't muster the wherewithal to vote every 2 years or whatever...its because you aren't willing. There is no undue burden being placed on individuals.

The problem is that it’s a manifestation of government excess and overreach – the enactment of unwarranted laws that do nothing but increase the size and authority of the state at the expense of the right to vote. In order for government to lawfully place limits and restrictions on citizens’ rights, it must do so based on objective, documented evidence in support of those limits and restrictions; voter ID laws are devoid of justifying evidence.

Of all of the "over reach" in our governments, election security is a shocking under reach.

And the problem is that voter ID laws are predicated on a presumption of guilt; if elections officials suspect a voter is attempting to engage in fraud, that needs to be addressed on a case-by-case basis, not compel the voting public as a whole to ‘prove’ they’re not attempting to commit ‘fraud.’

No. That is nonsense.

Voting is a fundamental right – immune from attack by government motivated by capricious partisanism and baseless fears of ‘fraud.’

All persons voting would be required to provide the same ID. There is no partisanship on this issue. If a Party is reliant upon non-motivated persons...that is their problem.

Why bother voting? It clearly makes no difference.

League Refuses to "Help Perpetrate a Fraud"

League Refuses to "Help Perpetrate a Fraud" | League of Women Voters

NEWS RELEASE FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: October 3, 1988 LEAGUE REFUSES TO "HELP PERPETRATE A FRAUD"

www.lwv.org

View attachment 355813

Our political system is a farcical cartel, there is no freedom of choice. It is an illusion.

The Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) is a nonprofit corporation established in 1987 under the joint sponsorship of the Democratic and Republican political parties in the United States.[1][3] The CPD sponsors and produces debates for U.S. presidential and vice-presidential candidates and undertakes research and educational activities relating to the debates. It has run each of the presidential debates held since 1988. The Commission's debates are sponsored by private contributions from foundations and corporations[4] as well as fees from hosting institutions.[5]

Commission on Presidential Debates - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I‘d like to think many Americans know this truth but I’m not sure, and if the dupes on this forum are representative, then this truth is unknown to Americans.

Yet, the truth is so transparently evident. The system is clearly a fraud. How could any American not know it?

I suppose the power of propaganda by the elites, shouldn’t be minimized.

 

[gipper]

“Really, what is the problem?”

The problem is that there are registered voters – citizens who have been voting consistently for decades – who lack the documentation required to obtain a photo ID.

There is that. I'm sure that most can be grandfathered in and a 70 y/o man won't have to get his birth certificate or what have you if he has no drivers licenses.

The problem is that when one registers to vote for the first time in a new jurisdiction, he’s required to provide a photo ID. As long as a citizen remains active and current on the registration rolls, there’s no need for the voter to continue to provide a photo ID.

Again, I'm sure that most can be grandfathered in. And I'm sure most already have a photo ID for other uses such as a drivers license.

The problem is that voter ‘fraud’ by false identification is virtually non-existent to the extent that the requirements to obtain and provide a photo ID are not justified – particularly when it prohibits a lawfully registered voter from voting.

Fraud? There is intentional fraud to vote several times and then there are simple mistakes that are made. People being allowed to vote for measures that don't affect them for example. Updating he voter rolls would help eliminate that.

The problem is that voter ID laws are enacted in bad faith – seeking to suppress votes rather than prevent non-existent ‘fraud.’

That is an opinion. If you can't muster the wherewithal to vote every 2 years or whatever...its because you aren't willing. There is no undue burden being placed on individuals.

The problem is that it’s a manifestation of government excess and overreach – the enactment of unwarranted laws that do nothing but increase the size and authority of the state at the expense of the right to vote. In order for government to lawfully place limits and restrictions on citizens’ rights, it must do so based on objective, documented evidence in support of those limits and restrictions; voter ID laws are devoid of justifying evidence.

Of all of the "over reach" in our governments, election security is a shocking under reach.

And the problem is that voter ID laws are predicated on a presumption of guilt; if elections officials suspect a voter is attempting to engage in fraud, that needs to be addressed on a case-by-case basis, not compel the voting public as a whole to ‘prove’ they’re not attempting to commit ‘fraud.’

No. That is nonsense.

Voting is a fundamental right – immune from attack by government motivated by capricious partisanism and baseless fears of ‘fraud.’

All persons voting would be required to provide the same ID. There is no partisanship on this issue. If a Party is reliant upon non-motivated persons...that is their problem.

Why bother voting? It clearly makes no difference.

League Refuses to "Help Perpetrate a Fraud"

League Refuses to "Help Perpetrate a Fraud" | League of Women Voters

NEWS RELEASE FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: October 3, 1988 LEAGUE REFUSES TO "HELP PERPETRATE A FRAUD"

www.lwv.org

View attachment 355813

Our political system is a farcical cartel, there is no freedom of choice. It is an illusion.

The Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) is a nonprofit corporation established in 1987 under the joint sponsorship of the Democratic and Republican political parties in the United States.[1][3] The CPD sponsors and produces debates for U.S. presidential and vice-presidential candidates and undertakes research and educational activities relating to the debates. It has run each of the presidential debates held since 1988. The Commission's debates are sponsored by private contributions from foundations and corporations[4] as well as fees from hosting institutions.[5]

Commission on Presidential Debates - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[gipper]

I just renewed my husband DL online. All I needed was his DL. Next time he has to go in to have his eyes checked and to renew his picture, every 8th year you have to go back in , in MI.

I also got a duplicate DL, we have to show our voters ID and also the DL ID or state ID when we go to the polls.

Now we have NO EXCUSE absentee ballots and for that you have to have (which people voted on):
To use this website, you need to be registered to vote in Michigan and have a valid Michigan driver’s license or state ID. If you need to register to vote, click on "Registering To Vote." If you don’t have a Michigan driver’s license or state ID but you are registered to vote, click on "Absentee Voting" for more information on how you can apply for an absent voter ballot.

and you have to register to vote:
Some clerk’s offices have opened satellite offices for voter registration. You must show proof of where you live. Documents must have your name and current address. You can show a digital copy of any document. Acceptable documents include:

Michigan driver’s license or State ID card
Current utility bill
Bank statement
Paycheck or government check
Other government document

After registering, you can vote an absent voter ballot at the clerk’s office or you can vote at your polling place on Election Day.

Military and overseas civilian voters have additional options to register. For more information, visit this page.
__________________________________-
I pretty much think all states are like this.

And, pray tell, how the hell do you get utilities, a bank account, a job or a government check (or ANY government benefits), or prove your identity to the government for anything else, without an ID???

The simple answer is, YOU CAN'T!!!

13 states allow illegals to travel to work and school with a drivers license and none of them states allow then to vote (from what I read) and most of them are workers.

Actually, that's why I think that the idea of requiring a FEDERAL ID (ISSUED ONLY TO INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN PROVE CITIZENSHIP, OR THAT HAS A FEATURE TO VERIFY CITIZENSHIP) has merit....

NO ID VERIFYING CITIZENSHIP, NO VOTE!!!!

A voters registration card that everyone gets when they registers verifies citizenship.

No it doesn't.

I some states, you can register for local elections, but that doesn't qualify you for national elections. Nor does it convey citizenship.

If you are an illegal alien, it is against the law to vote in national elections. But you can, in some instances, register to vote in local elections.


Are you really this dumb?

You can post these examples right?

San Francisco allows undocumented immigrants to vote in school elections

Proponents argued that expanding school board elections to non-citizens made sense given that one-third of children in the system have foreign-born parents.

www.nbcnews.com

San Francisco will allow noncitizens to vote in a local election, creating a new immigration flashpoint

San Francisco in November will become the largest city in the nation to allow noncitizens the chance to vote in a local election, making the city once again a flashpoint in the debate about immigration.

www.latimes.com

I said that registering to vote will verify citizenship. If people register to vote in this small instance it will verify their status will it not?

What of it?

If they register to vote. . . the states probably will let them vote. . . illegally in national elections as well. This is the conservative biggest fear you dolt. Why do you think California had so many folks voting for Hillary?

. . . and when Trump asked to see if they did, or did not? You know what they told him?

Hogwash, misterbeale!

LOL. You really need to think.

 

[Wyatt earp]

After all, the Democrat voters need them to get their HUD housing, welfare, and food stamps!!!

So no Democrats are gainfully employed?

Why you don't need two forms of ID now to work for someone legally?

 

[gipper]

“Really, what is the problem?”

The problem is that there are registered voters – citizens who have been voting consistently for decades – who lack the documentation required to obtain a photo ID.

There is that. I'm sure that most can be grandfathered in and a 70 y/o man won't have to get his birth certificate or what have you if he has no drivers licenses.

The problem is that when one registers to vote for the first time in a new jurisdiction, he’s required to provide a photo ID. As long as a citizen remains active and current on the registration rolls, there’s no need for the voter to continue to provide a photo ID.

Again, I'm sure that most can be grandfathered in. And I'm sure most already have a photo ID for other uses such as a drivers license.

The problem is that voter ‘fraud’ by false identification is virtually non-existent to the extent that the requirements to obtain and provide a photo ID are not justified – particularly when it prohibits a lawfully registered voter from voting.

Fraud? There is intentional fraud to vote several times and then there are simple mistakes that are made. People being allowed to vote for measures that don't affect them for example. Updating he voter rolls would help eliminate that.

The problem is that voter ID laws are enacted in bad faith – seeking to suppress votes rather than prevent non-existent ‘fraud.’

That is an opinion. If you can't muster the wherewithal to vote every 2 years or whatever...its because you aren't willing. There is no undue burden being placed on individuals.

The problem is that it’s a manifestation of government excess and overreach – the enactment of unwarranted laws that do nothing but increase the size and authority of the state at the expense of the right to vote. In order for government to lawfully place limits and restrictions on citizens’ rights, it must do so based on objective, documented evidence in support of those limits and restrictions; voter ID laws are devoid of justifying evidence.

Of all of the "over reach" in our governments, election security is a shocking under reach.

And the problem is that voter ID laws are predicated on a presumption of guilt; if elections officials suspect a voter is attempting to engage in fraud, that needs to be addressed on a case-by-case basis, not compel the voting public as a whole to ‘prove’ they’re not attempting to commit ‘fraud.’

No. That is nonsense.

Voting is a fundamental right – immune from attack by government motivated by capricious partisanism and baseless fears of ‘fraud.’

All persons voting would be required to provide the same ID. There is no partisanship on this issue. If a Party is reliant upon non-motivated persons...that is their problem.

Why bother voting? It clearly makes no difference.

Incorrect.

Correct. Clearly so.

Hey Candy and Care, watch this short six minute video above posted by misterBeale, and please tell me what they got it wrong.

 

[Care4all]

“Really, what is the problem?”

The problem is that there are registered voters – citizens who have been voting consistently for decades – who lack the documentation required to obtain a photo ID.

There is that. I'm sure that most can be grandfathered in and a 70 y/o man won't have to get his birth certificate or what have you if he has no drivers licenses.

The problem is that when one registers to vote for the first time in a new jurisdiction, he’s required to provide a photo ID. As long as a citizen remains active and current on the registration rolls, there’s no need for the voter to continue to provide a photo ID.

Again, I'm sure that most can be grandfathered in. And I'm sure most already have a photo ID for other uses such as a drivers license.

The problem is that voter ‘fraud’ by false identification is virtually non-existent to the extent that the requirements to obtain and provide a photo ID are not justified – particularly when it prohibits a lawfully registered voter from voting.

Fraud? There is intentional fraud to vote several times and then there are simple mistakes that are made. People being allowed to vote for measures that don't affect them for example. Updating he voter rolls would help eliminate that.

The problem is that voter ID laws are enacted in bad faith – seeking to suppress votes rather than prevent non-existent ‘fraud.’

That is an opinion. If you can't muster the wherewithal to vote every 2 years or whatever...its because you aren't willing. There is no undue burden being placed on individuals.

The problem is that it’s a manifestation of government excess and overreach – the enactment of unwarranted laws that do nothing but increase the size and authority of the state at the expense of the right to vote. In order for government to lawfully place limits and restrictions on citizens’ rights, it must do so based on objective, documented evidence in support of those limits and restrictions; voter ID laws are devoid of justifying evidence.

Of all of the "over reach" in our governments, election security is a shocking under reach.

And the problem is that voter ID laws are predicated on a presumption of guilt; if elections officials suspect a voter is attempting to engage in fraud, that needs to be addressed on a case-by-case basis, not compel the voting public as a whole to ‘prove’ they’re not attempting to commit ‘fraud.’

No. That is nonsense.

Voting is a fundamental right – immune from attack by government motivated by capricious partisanism and baseless fears of ‘fraud.’

All persons voting would be required to provide the same ID. There is no partisanship on this issue. If a Party is reliant upon non-motivated persons...that is their problem.

Why bother voting? It clearly makes no difference.

Incorrect.

Correct. Clearly so.

Hey Candy and Care, watch this short six minute video above posted by misterBeale, and please tell me what they got it wrong.

I do not disagree with the video! It's exactly how it works.... since Eve ate the Apple, in all likelihood.

What I objected to in mister' s post was on illegals in California voting...

And what I differ with you on, is the idea that all the elite conspire together, to get what each individual elitist wants.... I dont think they conspire together.... for the most part, I think they are individually working the system for themselves, individually......

And all the govt worker peons, are included in your so called deep state.... I don't agree on that either.

Calling the elitists globalists, makes more sense, and defines it better imo.

 

[gipper]

“Really, what is the problem?”

The problem is that there are registered voters – citizens who have been voting consistently for decades – who lack the documentation required to obtain a photo ID.

There is that. I'm sure that most can be grandfathered in and a 70 y/o man won't have to get his birth certificate or what have you if he has no drivers licenses.

The problem is that when one registers to vote for the first time in a new jurisdiction, he’s required to provide a photo ID. As long as a citizen remains active and current on the registration rolls, there’s no need for the voter to continue to provide a photo ID.

Again, I'm sure that most can be grandfathered in. And I'm sure most already have a photo ID for other uses such as a drivers license.

The problem is that voter ‘fraud’ by false identification is virtually non-existent to the extent that the requirements to obtain and provide a photo ID are not justified – particularly when it prohibits a lawfully registered voter from voting.

Fraud? There is intentional fraud to vote several times and then there are simple mistakes that are made. People being allowed to vote for measures that don't affect them for example. Updating he voter rolls would help eliminate that.

The problem is that voter ID laws are enacted in bad faith – seeking to suppress votes rather than prevent non-existent ‘fraud.’

That is an opinion. If you can't muster the wherewithal to vote every 2 years or whatever...its because you aren't willing. There is no undue burden being placed on individuals.

The problem is that it’s a manifestation of government excess and overreach – the enactment of unwarranted laws that do nothing but increase the size and authority of the state at the expense of the right to vote. In order for government to lawfully place limits and restrictions on citizens’ rights, it must do so based on objective, documented evidence in support of those limits and restrictions; voter ID laws are devoid of justifying evidence.

Of all of the "over reach" in our governments, election security is a shocking under reach.

And the problem is that voter ID laws are predicated on a presumption of guilt; if elections officials suspect a voter is attempting to engage in fraud, that needs to be addressed on a case-by-case basis, not compel the voting public as a whole to ‘prove’ they’re not attempting to commit ‘fraud.’

No. That is nonsense.

Voting is a fundamental right – immune from attack by government motivated by capricious partisanism and baseless fears of ‘fraud.’

All persons voting would be required to provide the same ID. There is no partisanship on this issue. If a Party is reliant upon non-motivated persons...that is their problem.

Why bother voting? It clearly makes no difference.

Incorrect.

Correct. Clearly so.

Hey Candy and Care, watch this short six minute video above posted by misterBeale, and please tell me what they got it wrong.

I do not disagree with the video! It's exactly how it works.... since Eve ate the Apple, in all likelihood.

What I objected to in mister' s post was on illegals in California voting...

And what I differ with you on, is the idea that all the elite conspire together, to get what each individual elitist wants.... I dont think they conspire together.... for the most part, I think they are individually working the system for themselves, individually......

And all the govt worker peons, are included in your so called deep state.... I don't agree on that either.

Calling the elitists globalists, makes more sense, and defines it better imo.

You don’t have my beliefs correct.

 

[MisterBeale]

I just renewed my husband DL online. All I needed was his DL. Next time he has to go in to have his eyes checked and to renew his picture, every 8th year you have to go back in , in MI.

I also got a duplicate DL, we have to show our voters ID and also the DL ID or state ID when we go to the polls.

Now we have NO EXCUSE absentee ballots and for that you have to have (which people voted on):
To use this website, you need to be registered to vote in Michigan and have a valid Michigan driver’s license or state ID. If you need to register to vote, click on "Registering To Vote." If you don’t have a Michigan driver’s license or state ID but you are registered to vote, click on "Absentee Voting" for more information on how you can apply for an absent voter ballot.

and you have to register to vote:
Some clerk’s offices have opened satellite offices for voter registration. You must show proof of where you live. Documents must have your name and current address. You can show a digital copy of any document. Acceptable documents include:

Michigan driver’s license or State ID card
Current utility bill
Bank statement
Paycheck or government check
Other government document

After registering, you can vote an absent voter ballot at the clerk’s office or you can vote at your polling place on Election Day.

Military and overseas civilian voters have additional options to register. For more information, visit this page.
__________________________________-
I pretty much think all states are like this.

And, pray tell, how the hell do you get utilities, a bank account, a job or a government check (or ANY government benefits), or prove your identity to the government for anything else, without an ID???

The simple answer is, YOU CAN'T!!!

13 states allow illegals to travel to work and school with a drivers license and none of them states allow then to vote (from what I read) and most of them are workers.

Actually, that's why I think that the idea of requiring a FEDERAL ID (ISSUED ONLY TO INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN PROVE CITIZENSHIP, OR THAT HAS A FEATURE TO VERIFY CITIZENSHIP) has merit....

NO ID VERIFYING CITIZENSHIP, NO VOTE!!!!

A voters registration card that everyone gets when they registers verifies citizenship.

No it doesn't.

I some states, you can register for local elections, but that doesn't qualify you for national elections. Nor does it convey citizenship.

If you are an illegal alien, it is against the law to vote in national elections. But you can, in some instances, register to vote in local elections.


Are you really this dumb?

You can post these examples right?

San Francisco allows undocumented immigrants to vote in school elections

Proponents argued that expanding school board elections to non-citizens made sense given that one-third of children in the system have foreign-born parents.

www.nbcnews.com

San Francisco will allow noncitizens to vote in a local election, creating a new immigration flashpoint

San Francisco in November will become the largest city in the nation to allow noncitizens the chance to vote in a local election, making the city once again a flashpoint in the debate about immigration.

www.latimes.com

I said that registering to vote will verify citizenship. If people register to vote in this small instance it will verify their status will it not?

What of it?

If they register to vote. . . the states probably will let them vote. . . illegally in national elections as well. This is the conservative biggest fear you dolt. Why do you think California had so many folks voting for Hillary?

. . . and when Trump asked to see if they did, or did not? You know what they told him?

Hogwash, misterbeale!

Not hogwash, truth.

15 states are refusing to hand over voter data to Trump's panned election commission — here's how every state has responded

The Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity stirred controversy from the moment it was established. No evidence of widespread voter fraud exists.

www.businessinsider.com

Republicans Sue California, Charging Ineligible Voters Are on Voter Rolls | KQED

The lawsuit alleges that, under California's so-called Motor Voter law, people are being placed on the voter rolls without the secretary of state verifying that they are citizens.

www.kqed.org

California Refuses to Release DMV Motor Voter Files

The Sacramento Bee submitted a records request for written communications to or from the secretary of state about 1,500 voter registration errors resulting from the Motor Voter program that launched earlier this year.

www.govtech.com