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How odd you got that impression.
Because what the APA says is that the consensus is that it's a variety of factors, and that there's a suggestion that it might be biological.
Oh, you mean like Christian = homophobe?
Or that the student was going to "force" her opinions on others?
Lol.
How odd you got that impression.
Because what the APA says is that the consensus is that it's a variety of factors, and that there's a suggestion that it might be biological.
Now you are just being dishonest.
You went on a tangent about how I couldn't prove that the consensus was that homosexuality was not a choice (which is the opposite of what Ms. Keeton erroneously claims) and now you want to dodge the issue?
Oh, you mean like Christian = homophobe?
Or that the student was going to "force" her opinions on others?
Lol.
When have I ever said "Christian = homophobe"?
As for the second, that's really the issue at hand here, isn't it?
We don't know the full truth yet. Stop acting like you do.
Regarding the facility: Any sort of facility. I've worked in treatment, detention, the jail, and group homes.
Now I'm a caseworker. It's not a facility, but I have clients who are homosexual. I determine eligibility for TANF which means CASE PLANS. Case plans are plans to achieve self sufficiency, and includes testing and creating a plan of attack, which often includes counseling and resource pursual.
My religion has never been an issue. Ever. Not even once. I created life plans for homosexual sex offenders, for Pete's sakes. Not once did my religion and my personal beliefs about sexual orientation cause any sort of problem with any of my clients, my co-workers, community partners, or anyone else.
Regarding the facility: Any sort of facility. I've worked in treatment, detention, the jail, and group homes.
Now I'm a caseworker. It's not a facility, but I have clients who are homosexual. I determine eligibility for TANF which means CASE PLANS. Case plans are plans to achieve self sufficiency, and includes testing and creating a plan of attack, which often includes counseling and resource pursual.
My religion has never been an issue. Ever. Not even once. I created life plans for homosexual sex offenders, for Pete's sakes. Not once did my religion and my personal beliefs about sexual orientation cause any sort of problem with any of my clients, my co-workers, community partners, or anyone else.
I've never stated that your religion (or anyone's religion) automatically impedes their ability to be a counselor. No one is taking umbrage with Ms. Keeton's personal beliefs.
The issue is her introducing her personal beliefs into a professional or academic setting and to what degree she did so and if the school acted appropriately considering the facts it had.
This is not a "Christian Persecution" issue no matter how much you guys would like it to be.
Furthermore, the fact that you are able to act professionally and separate your personal opinions from your professional job doesn't mean Ms. Keeton was able too.
In Madeline, we have the quintessential picture of a complete bigot. We're lucky to have her so. She's a text book example of how bigotry presents.
She blames door-knocking Christians for the fact that the people in a particular neighborhood are getting robbed, and says they make her "afraid".
She says they reduce wariness and make people more vulnerable because they think whomever is knocking on the door is a JH.
It is a perfect picture of bigotry.
In this thread, she maintains that because a person is a Christian, they are also a homophobe. And she further states that in order to work in human services, one cannot be a Christian because Christianity is anathema to human services.
Another example of perfect bigotry.
How odd you got that impression.
Because what the APA says is that the consensus is that it's a variety of factors, and that there's a suggestion that it might be biological.
Now you are just being dishonest.
You went on a tangent about how I couldn't prove that the consensus was that homosexuality was not a choice (which is the opposite of what Ms. Keeton erroneously claims) and now you want to dodge the issue?
I'm not dodging the issue. I'm saying you didn't prove it. This is the same problem Madeline had. You can't prove something with a lie. It doesn't matter how many times you say it. But you guys have no concept of fact or truth, so it's a waste of time to try to explain it to you.
Oh, you mean like Christian = homophobe?
Or that the student was going to "force" her opinions on others?
Lol.
When have I ever said "Christian = homophobe"?
As for the second, that's really the issue at hand here, isn't it?
We don't know the full truth yet. Stop acting like you do.
You didn't say t hat, but Madeline did. I to wonder why it is that a leftie will pile all over a rightie for any small thing but NEVER say anything when one of the left loons , which Madeline is, says something ridiculously stupid?
When have I ever said "Christian = homophobe"?
As for the second, that's really the issue at hand here, isn't it?
We don't know the full truth yet. Stop acting like you do.
You didn't say t hat, but Madeline did. I to wonder why it is that a leftie will pile all over a rightie for any small thing but NEVER say anything when one of the left loons , which Madeline is, says something ridiculously stupid?
Then people should direct their comments to the appropriate posters.
As for this silly notion that I have to police what other posters on a thread say, come off of it. I don't read every post on a thread. I generally read comments that are addressed to me.
Just like everyone else.
Do you have proof that she did so? No, you don't because this school is in fact preventing her from even entering the profession. How can you defend that?
And yes, this is based on her RELIGIOUS beliefs, no amount how much you want to claim it isn't.
You didn't say t hat, but Madeline did. I to wonder why it is that a leftie will pile all over a rightie for any small thing but NEVER say anything when one of the left loons , which Madeline is, says something ridiculously stupid?
Then people should direct their comments to the appropriate posters.
As for this silly notion that I have to police what other posters on a thread say, come off of it. I don't read every post on a thread. I generally read comments that are addressed to me.
Just like everyone else.
I'm sorry , did I miss where Allie said that you specifically said it?
Do you have proof that she did so? No, you don't because this school is in fact preventing her from even entering the profession. How can you defend that?
And yes, this is based on her RELIGIOUS beliefs, no amount how much you want to claim it isn't.
For the 15th time: no one on here has proof of anything. What we have is the claim of one plaintiff. As I have said before, I want to hear both sides of the story.
I fully defend a school from not awarding a degree to someone who fails to meet the standards. It appears Ms. Keeton has a penchant to editorialize in her academic writing. That is sub-par and anyone that has made it out of English 101 knows that.
And again, I don't take umbrage with Ms. Keeton's religious beliefs. I take umbrage with her belief that she can introduce it into her academic career when it is not germane to the issue.
Her beliefs about homosexuality being a lifestyle choice are at odds with the medical community.
Regarding the facility: Any sort of facility. I've worked in treatment, detention, the jail, and group homes.
Now I'm a caseworker. It's not a facility, but I have clients who are homosexual. I determine eligibility for TANF which means CASE PLANS. Case plans are plans to achieve self sufficiency, and includes testing and creating a plan of attack, which often includes counseling and resource pursual.
My religion has never been an issue. Ever. Not even once. I created life plans for homosexual sex offenders, for Pete's sakes. Not once did my religion and my personal beliefs about sexual orientation cause any sort of problem with any of my clients, my co-workers, community partners, or anyone else.
I've never stated that your religion (or anyone's religion) automatically impedes their ability to be a counselor. No one is taking umbrage with Ms. Keeton's personal beliefs.
The issue is her introducing her personal beliefs into a professional or academic setting and to what degree she did so and if the school acted appropriately considering the facts it had.
This is not a "Christian Persecution" issue no matter how much you guys would like it to be.
Furthermore, the fact that you are able to act professionally and separate your personal opinions from your professional job doesn't mean Ms. Keeton was able too.
Actually, I beg to differ.
Madeline and you have no proof that any of the shit you've said is true.
All I said is that it is about Christianity (and it is, per my links, quotations and the words of the woman's attorneys), that there is no "consensus" that must be embraced in the field, and that it is discrimination to penalize a person based upon their religion alone, and the woman was being singled out and required to recant.
I've proved my side, thanks.
Did she pass all the required coursework? Yes or No?
That is the ONLY thing the school should be concerned with. Once she gets her degree then if she chooses a field which requires accreditation, she should be subject to THEIR policies regarding that accreditation, but that is not relevant to the school's graduating her.
Did she pass all the required coursework? Yes or No?
No one knows. Ms. Keeton's academic record is private information and the school can't even comment on it at this time.
That is the ONLY thing the school should be concerned with. Once she gets her degree then if she chooses a field which requires accreditation, she should be subject to THEIR policies regarding that accreditation, but that is not relevant to the school's graduating her.
I've commented on this sentiment already.
