I love it! CHURCH VOWS WAR ON OBAMA 'FIGHT IN STREETS'

[Kiki Cannoli]

Our hospitals don't 'make a profit', quite the opposite. The Church itself meets the shortfall in funding.... $5.7 billion a year. You wanna start picking up that tab?

How about for the schooling we provide - and pay for?

How about our social programs? You gonna pay for those too?

Fucking billions more in taxes - and you can't collect from us... we're a Church.

CG of course Catholic Hospitals make profits, yes it is a difficult feat. It is challenging as the operating margin average for hospitals is 2.6 - 4%. These earnings are funneled back into the business to purchase assets. The assets may not be skimmed and invested into external investments.

I had already posted this, but needs repeating. This healthcare system has left the church because it has determined it can provide more care to more people while paying taxes absent the Catholic diocese.

Catholic Healthcare West becomes Dignity Health

This 5.7 billion dollar number you refer to is charitable services. I am saddened to hear that Christians would stop offering their services to sick and weary.

No it isn't. That $5.7 is what the Catholic Church donates from its own funds (ie from Catholics) to keep its hospitals running.

That does not take into account our charitable services.... that's billions more. And schools, a few more billion.

Interesting because according to the United Stated Conference of Catholic Bishops, the number represents donated services.

At Providence, founded at the behest of President Lincoln by the Daughters of Charity, administrators provided $17.3 million in uncompensated care to the poor the same year. Catholic hospitals respect the life of everyone, from the newly conceived to those fading into the eternal light. Quality care trumps a patient's financial status, race or religion. In the U.S., one out of every six patients needing a hospital admission goes to a Catholic hospital. These hospitals cost about $84.6 billion to run, including at least $5.7 billion worth of donated services.

Which is fantastic and not to be disregarded. But these are not direct dollars funded by the church.

USCCB - Health Care Reform - Commentary

 

[Jarhead]

wrong....Obamacare "contraceptives" include the "morning after" pill which sometimes IS abortion....

yep....it forces the fertilized egg away form the wall.....exactly what an abortion is about.

And do you know why a fertiolized egg must adhere to the wall?

So it can capitalize on the HUMAN anitbodies so it doesnt die..

That makes it a living human being...unless anyone can give me an example of another type of living being that requires HUMAN antibodies.

Now that being said....I m against abortion as I see it as murder.....

BUT...

I am pro choice as I m aware that at least half the people see it differently than I do...and I support freedom of choice overall...

But I will never enagage in or pay for an abortion for my wife or the wives of my children

No, it doesn't force the egg away from the wall. It prevents it from attaching to begin with. There is no living being. If taken after implantation it has no effect.

if it is not a living being than why does it have an inborn action of seeking adherence to the wall?
And if it does not adhere....doesn't it die?
Does itr die becuase it becomes separated from the mother or does it die because it does not have the advanatge of human antibodies...and nutrients?

Question...can a fertilized egg live in a controlled environment other than the mothers uterus?

The answer is yes.

If it is not alive, then how can it "continue to live in a controlled environment"?

Dont you need to be living to be able to "continue to live"?

Now, that being said, you may not give such an existance the same credence as say....a 7 month fetus that looks like a human...and I repsect that.

But to say there is not a living being is disingenuous.

 

[Ravi]

CG of course Catholic Hospitals make profits, yes it is a difficult feat. It is challenging as the operating margin average for hospitals is 2.6 - 4%. These earnings are funneled back into the business to purchase assets. The assets may not be skimmed and invested into external investments.

I had already posted this, but needs repeating. This healthcare system has left the church because it has determined it can provide more care to more people while paying taxes absent the Catholic diocese.

Catholic Healthcare West becomes Dignity Health

This 5.7 billion dollar number you refer to is charitable services. I am saddened to hear that Christians would stop offering their services to sick and weary.

No it isn't. That $5.7 is what the Catholic Church donates from its own funds (ie from Catholics) to keep its hospitals running.

That does not take into account our charitable services.... that's billions more. And schools, a few more billion.

Interesting because according to the United Stated Conference of Catholic Bishops, the number represents donated services.

At Providence, founded at the behest of President Lincoln by the Daughters of Charity, administrators provided $17.3 million in uncompensated care to the poor the same year. Catholic hospitals respect the life of everyone, from the newly conceived to those fading into the eternal light. Quality care trumps a patient's financial status, race or religion. In the U.S., one out of every six patients needing a hospital admission goes to a Catholic hospital. These hospitals cost about $84.6 billion to run, including at least $5.7 billion worth of donated services.

Which is fantastic and not to be disregarded. But these are not direct dollars funded by the church.

USCCB - Health Care Reform - Commentary

I wonder how much the Catholic church gets from the government through the Faith Based Initiative program.

 

[California Girl]

CG of course Catholic Hospitals make profits, yes it is a difficult feat. It is challenging as the operating margin average for hospitals is 2.6 - 4%. These earnings are funneled back into the business to purchase assets. The assets may not be skimmed and invested into external investments.

I had already posted this, but needs repeating. This healthcare system has left the church because it has determined it can provide more care to more people while paying taxes absent the Catholic diocese.

Catholic Healthcare West becomes Dignity Health

This 5.7 billion dollar number you refer to is charitable services. I am saddened to hear that Christians would stop offering their services to sick and weary.

No it isn't. That $5.7 is what the Catholic Church donates from its own funds (ie from Catholics) to keep its hospitals running.

That does not take into account our charitable services.... that's billions more. And schools, a few more billion.

Interesting because according to the United Stated Conference of Catholic Bishops, the number represents donated services.

At Providence, founded at the behest of President Lincoln by the Daughters of Charity, administrators provided $17.3 million in uncompensated care to the poor the same year. Catholic hospitals respect the life of everyone, from the newly conceived to those fading into the eternal light. Quality care trumps a patient's financial status, race or religion. In the U.S., one out of every six patients needing a hospital admission goes to a Catholic hospital. These hospitals cost about $84.6 billion to run, including at least $5.7 billion worth of donated services.

Which is fantastic and not to be disregarded. But these are not direct dollars funded by the church.

USCCB - Health Care Reform - Commentary

Try funding it without us. Along with the rest of the shit we do - without funding - for the American people.

Fucking billions of dollars, and we are treated like criminals. The left wing of this country make me sick. They are hatefilled ranting morons.... so is their fucking President. Ungrateful bastards.... and even now, we would not walk away from them... much as they deserve it. Personally, my church has more tolerance for their enemies than I do.

 

[Ravi]

yep....it forces the fertilized egg away form the wall.....exactly what an abortion is about.

And do you know why a fertiolized egg must adhere to the wall?

So it can capitalize on the HUMAN anitbodies so it doesnt die..

That makes it a living human being...unless anyone can give me an example of another type of living being that requires HUMAN antibodies.

Now that being said....I m against abortion as I see it as murder.....

BUT...

I am pro choice as I m aware that at least half the people see it differently than I do...and I support freedom of choice overall...

But I will never enagage in or pay for an abortion for my wife or the wives of my children

No, it doesn't force the egg away from the wall. It prevents it from attaching to begin with. There is no living being. If taken after implantation it has no effect.

if it is not a living being than why does it have an inborn action of seeking adherence to the wall?
And if it does not adhere....doesn't it die?
Does itr die becuase it becomes separated from the mother or does it die because it does not have the advanatge of human antibodies...and nutrients?

Question...can a fertilized egg live in a controlled environment other than the mothers uterus?

The answer is yes.

If it is not alive, then how can it "continue to live in a controlled environment"?

Dont you need to be living to be able to "continue to live"?

Now, that being said, you may not give such an existance the same credence as say....a 7 month fetus that looks like a human...and I repsect that.

But to say there is not a living being is disingenuous.

No, it doesn't "die" it just doesn't live. Much like the sperm that doesn't get into the egg.

 

[California Girl]

No it isn't. That $5.7 is what the Catholic Church donates from its own funds (ie from Catholics) to keep its hospitals running.

That does not take into account our charitable services.... that's billions more. And schools, a few more billion.

Interesting because according to the United Stated Conference of Catholic Bishops, the number represents donated services.

At Providence, founded at the behest of President Lincoln by the Daughters of Charity, administrators provided $17.3 million in uncompensated care to the poor the same year. Catholic hospitals respect the life of everyone, from the newly conceived to those fading into the eternal light. Quality care trumps a patient's financial status, race or religion. In the U.S., one out of every six patients needing a hospital admission goes to a Catholic hospital. These hospitals cost about $84.6 billion to run, including at least $5.7 billion worth of donated services.

Which is fantastic and not to be disregarded. But these are not direct dollars funded by the church.

USCCB - Health Care Reform - Commentary

I wonder how much the Catholic church gets from the government through the Faith Based Initiative program.

Why don't you find out for yourself? I'll give you a clue.... it is nowhere near enough to provide the services that we provide.

 

[Annie]

No it isn't. That $5.7 is what the Catholic Church donates from its own funds (ie from Catholics) to keep its hospitals running.

That does not take into account our charitable services.... that's billions more. And schools, a few more billion.

Interesting because according to the United Stated Conference of Catholic Bishops, the number represents donated services.

At Providence, founded at the behest of President Lincoln by the Daughters of Charity, administrators provided $17.3 million in uncompensated care to the poor the same year. Catholic hospitals respect the life of everyone, from the newly conceived to those fading into the eternal light. Quality care trumps a patient's financial status, race or religion. In the U.S., one out of every six patients needing a hospital admission goes to a Catholic hospital. These hospitals cost about $84.6 billion to run, including at least $5.7 billion worth of donated services.

Which is fantastic and not to be disregarded. But these are not direct dollars funded by the church.

USCCB - Health Care Reform - Commentary

I wonder how much the Catholic church gets from the government through the Faith Based Initiative program.

Probably a lot. Which of course was my point in saying that if the government wishes to keep this logic up, the Church needs to refuse such contributions by the government, including textbooks, busing vouchers, medicare and medicaid payments. Make their institutions for Catholics, by Catholics. Period.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Bishop: 'Hitler and Mussolini' 'Would Love Our School System'...


What a fucking asshole.

He is right. The asshole is obamaturd.

 

[Jarhead]

No, it doesn't force the egg away from the wall. It prevents it from attaching to begin with. There is no living being. If taken after implantation it has no effect.

if it is not a living being than why does it have an inborn action of seeking adherence to the wall?
And if it does not adhere....doesn't it die?
Does itr die becuase it becomes separated from the mother or does it die because it does not have the advanatge of human antibodies...and nutrients?

Question...can a fertilized egg live in a controlled environment other than the mothers uterus?

The answer is yes.

If it is not alive, then how can it "continue to live in a controlled environment"?

Dont you need to be living to be able to "continue to live"?

Now, that being said, you may not give such an existance the same credence as say....a 7 month fetus that looks like a human...and I repsect that.

But to say there is not a living being is disingenuous.

No, it doesn't "die" it just doesn't live. Much like the sperm that doesn't get into the egg.

the fertilized egg has the inborn NEED to adhere to the wall.
How can anything not alive have an inborn need to do anything?
Not being adversarial.....I really want your take on this.
Bear in mind...the wall doesnt seek out the fertilized egg....the fertilized egg seeks the wall.
Your response?

 

[California Girl]

Interesting because according to the United Stated Conference of Catholic Bishops, the number represents donated services.

At Providence, founded at the behest of President Lincoln by the Daughters of Charity, administrators provided $17.3 million in uncompensated care to the poor the same year. Catholic hospitals respect the life of everyone, from the newly conceived to those fading into the eternal light. Quality care trumps a patient's financial status, race or religion. In the U.S., one out of every six patients needing a hospital admission goes to a Catholic hospital. These hospitals cost about $84.6 billion to run, including at least $5.7 billion worth of donated services.

Which is fantastic and not to be disregarded. But these are not direct dollars funded by the church.

USCCB - Health Care Reform - Commentary

I wonder how much the Catholic church gets from the government through the Faith Based Initiative program.

Probably a lot. Which of course was my point in saying that if the government wishes to keep this logic up, the Church needs to refuse such contributions by the government, including textbooks, busing vouchers, medicare and medicaid payments. Make their institutions for Catholics, by Catholics. Period.

We can't. That is against our doctrine.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Interesting because according to the United Stated Conference of Catholic Bishops, the number represents donated services.

At Providence, founded at the behest of President Lincoln by the Daughters of Charity, administrators provided $17.3 million in uncompensated care to the poor the same year. Catholic hospitals respect the life of everyone, from the newly conceived to those fading into the eternal light. Quality care trumps a patient's financial status, race or religion. In the U.S., one out of every six patients needing a hospital admission goes to a Catholic hospital. These hospitals cost about $84.6 billion to run, including at least $5.7 billion worth of donated services.

Which is fantastic and not to be disregarded. But these are not direct dollars funded by the church.

USCCB - Health Care Reform - Commentary

I wonder how much the Catholic church gets from the government through the Faith Based Initiative program.

Probably a lot. Which of course was my point in saying that if the government wishes to keep this logic up, the Church needs to refuse such contributions by the government, including textbooks, busing vouchers, medicare and medicaid payments. Make their institutions for Catholics, by Catholics. Period.

They should, then the socialists in the gov't. won't have control of them.

 

[Ravi]

if it is not a living being than why does it have an inborn action of seeking adherence to the wall?
And if it does not adhere....doesn't it die?
Does itr die becuase it becomes separated from the mother or does it die because it does not have the advanatge of human antibodies...and nutrients?

Question...can a fertilized egg live in a controlled environment other than the mothers uterus?

The answer is yes.

If it is not alive, then how can it "continue to live in a controlled environment"?

Dont you need to be living to be able to "continue to live"?

Now, that being said, you may not give such an existance the same credence as say....a 7 month fetus that looks like a human...and I repsect that.

But to say there is not a living being is disingenuous.

No, it doesn't "die" it just doesn't live. Much like the sperm that doesn't get into the egg.

the fertilized egg has the inborn NEED to adhere to the wall.
How can anything not alive have an inborn need to do anything?
Not being adversarial.....I really want your take on this.
Bear in mind...the wall doesnt seek out the fertilized egg....the fertilized egg seeks the wall.
Your response?

And the sperm has an "inborn need" to get into the egg. Your point is pointless. The morning after pill is not an abortion.

 

[Valox]

No it isn't. That $5.7 is what the Catholic Church donates from its own funds (ie from Catholics) to keep its hospitals running.

That does not take into account our charitable services.... that's billions more. And schools, a few more billion.

Interesting because according to the United Stated Conference of Catholic Bishops, the number represents donated services.

At Providence, founded at the behest of President Lincoln by the Daughters of Charity, administrators provided $17.3 million in uncompensated care to the poor the same year. Catholic hospitals respect the life of everyone, from the newly conceived to those fading into the eternal light. Quality care trumps a patient's financial status, race or religion. In the U.S., one out of every six patients needing a hospital admission goes to a Catholic hospital. These hospitals cost about $84.6 billion to run, including at least $5.7 billion worth of donated services.

Which is fantastic and not to be disregarded. But these are not direct dollars funded by the church.

USCCB - Health Care Reform - Commentary

I wonder how much the Catholic church gets from the government through the Faith Based Initiative program.

I don't know about the Catholic Church, but by 2009 faith based initiatives have received $10.6 billion since they were launched in 2002.
Faith-based programs to help shape Bush legacy - USATODAY.com

In addition, Obama has not ended them, but continued to fund them, spending $140 million on them in the stimulus alone.
Obama's stimulus pours millions into faith-based groups - Ben Smith and Byron Tau - POLITICO.com

 

[Kiki Cannoli]

No it isn't. That $5.7 is what the Catholic Church donates from its own funds (ie from Catholics) to keep its hospitals running.

That does not take into account our charitable services.... that's billions more. And schools, a few more billion.

Interesting because according to the United Stated Conference of Catholic Bishops, the number represents donated services.

At Providence, founded at the behest of President Lincoln by the Daughters of Charity, administrators provided $17.3 million in uncompensated care to the poor the same year. Catholic hospitals respect the life of everyone, from the newly conceived to those fading into the eternal light. Quality care trumps a patient's financial status, race or religion. In the U.S., one out of every six patients needing a hospital admission goes to a Catholic hospital. These hospitals cost about $84.6 billion to run, including at least $5.7 billion worth of donated services.

Which is fantastic and not to be disregarded. But these are not direct dollars funded by the church.

USCCB - Health Care Reform - Commentary

Try funding it without us. Along with the rest of the shit we do - without funding - for the American people.

Fucking billions of dollars, and we are treated like criminals. The left wing of this country make me sick. They are hatefilled ranting morons.... so is their fucking President. Ungrateful bastards.... and even now, we would not walk away from them... much as they deserve it. Personally, my church has more tolerance for their enemies than I do.

I am not treating anybody like a criminal and I am far from hate filled nor am I a moron. Merely presenting the facts which make some, obviously, uncomfortable.

 

[jillian]

No it isn't. That $5.7 is what the Catholic Church donates from its own funds (ie from Catholics) to keep its hospitals running.

That does not take into account our charitable services.... that's billions more. And schools, a few more billion.

Interesting because according to the United Stated Conference of Catholic Bishops, the number represents donated services.

At Providence, founded at the behest of President Lincoln by the Daughters of Charity, administrators provided $17.3 million in uncompensated care to the poor the same year. Catholic hospitals respect the life of everyone, from the newly conceived to those fading into the eternal light. Quality care trumps a patient's financial status, race or religion. In the U.S., one out of every six patients needing a hospital admission goes to a Catholic hospital. These hospitals cost about $84.6 billion to run, including at least $5.7 billion worth of donated services.

Which is fantastic and not to be disregarded. But these are not direct dollars funded by the church.

USCCB - Health Care Reform - Commentary

I wonder how much the Catholic church gets from the government through the Faith Based Initiative program.

well, apparently, the muslimsocialistatheistkenyan gave $90 million to catholic faith-based groups (as opposed to only $6 million to jewish groups) as part of the stimulus.

POLITICO searched the federal database at Recovery.gov for grants to faith-based groups and found a wide range of grants going to an array of denominations. Catholic groups, receiving about $90 million, were the largest; Protestant groups received at least $45 million; and Jewish groups received at least $6 million.

Politico: Religious groups got $140M from stimulus | Believe It or Not | a Chron.com blog

 

[California Girl]

I wonder how much the Catholic church gets from the government through the Faith Based Initiative program.

Probably a lot. Which of course was my point in saying that if the government wishes to keep this logic up, the Church needs to refuse such contributions by the government, including textbooks, busing vouchers, medicare and medicaid payments. Make their institutions for Catholics, by Catholics. Period.

They should, then the socialists in the gov't. won't have control of them.

We.

Can't.

It.

Is.

Against.

Our.

Doctrine.

What part of this is hard to understand? Hate us? That's ok. We'll still treat you. We'll still help you.

 

[Annie]

On the 'morning after pill':

About the least dogmatic source I could find fairly quickly:

Morning-after pill

Morning-after pills and abortion

For those who hold that pregnancy begins at implantation, the morning-after pill prevents pregnancy. Those who hold that pregnancy begins at conception classify this prevention of implantion as an abortion in cases where fertilization has already occurred. Medically, the morning-after pill is not classified as an abortifacient, since medically that term relates only to an established pregnancy where implantation has already occurred.

The morning-after pill prevents implantation by preventing ovulation, by preventing the released egg from being fertilized, or by preventing the implantation of the fertilized egg in the uterus, or by both methods. The predominant mechanism probably varies according to the stage of the menstrual cycle.

The morning-after pill is somewhat controversial: opponents, often social or religious conservatives, object to it since it may prevent the implantation of an already fertilized egg, which they consider to be an abortion. Others hold that it is emergency contraception which reduces the number of unwanted pregnancies and surgical abortions, and is therefore beneficial. They have no moral objection to preventing the implantation of a fertilized egg.

The morning-after pill is not to be confused with RU-486, an actual abortifacient which ends a pregnancy by inducing a chemical abortion of an implanted embryo.

 

[Jarhead]

No, it doesn't "die" it just doesn't live. Much like the sperm that doesn't get into the egg.

the fertilized egg has the inborn NEED to adhere to the wall.
How can anything not alive have an inborn need to do anything?
Not being adversarial.....I really want your take on this.
Bear in mind...the wall doesnt seek out the fertilized egg....the fertilized egg seeks the wall.
Your response?

And the sperm has an "inborn need" to get into the egg. Your point is pointless. The morning after pill is not an abortion.

I believe sperm is alive as well...but it is not a human life....but it has a goal..and an inborn need to act...making it alive.

and there ya go.....just like some others on this board....

Call my point "pointless" becuase you have a different opinion than I do.

I guess I have been giving you more credit than you deserve.

FYI...I disagree with you...but your points are not pointless.

Cya <S>

 

[California Girl]

Interesting because according to the United Stated Conference of Catholic Bishops, the number represents donated services.

At Providence, founded at the behest of President Lincoln by the Daughters of Charity, administrators provided $17.3 million in uncompensated care to the poor the same year. Catholic hospitals respect the life of everyone, from the newly conceived to those fading into the eternal light. Quality care trumps a patient's financial status, race or religion. In the U.S., one out of every six patients needing a hospital admission goes to a Catholic hospital. These hospitals cost about $84.6 billion to run, including at least $5.7 billion worth of donated services.

Which is fantastic and not to be disregarded. But these are not direct dollars funded by the church.

USCCB - Health Care Reform - Commentary

Try funding it without us. Along with the rest of the shit we do - without funding - for the American people.

Fucking billions of dollars, and we are treated like criminals. The left wing of this country make me sick. They are hatefilled ranting morons.... so is their fucking President. Ungrateful bastards.... and even now, we would not walk away from them... much as they deserve it. Personally, my church has more tolerance for their enemies than I do.

I am not treating anybody like a criminal and I am far from hate filled nor am I a moron. Merely presenting the facts which make some, obviously, uncomfortable.

Anyone who asks moronic questions about how much federal funding the Catholic Church gets - when the fucking figures are available for anyone to access.... is not exactly intelligent.

Nor are you 'presenting facts', you are presenting your opinions masquerading as 'facts'... not the same thing at all.

And.... by refusing to acknowledge the Church's stance and insisting that we live according to your beliefs instead of according to our own.... you turn us into criminals of conscience. We have to break our own laws because your government says so. That's against our First Amendment Rights.... but that is SOP for the left.... 'rights for me, but not for thee'.

 

[koshergrl]

If you give Ravi any credit at all, you've given her too much, lol.