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Jesus is sometimes thought of as revolutionary, but not as Rome saw him, really. He was really rather compliant with Roman law.Thousands of Jews? Yea, okay, maybe. Thousands of slaves and rebels, certainly. Case in point: Spartacus after the Third Servile War.What exactly is the true meaning of the crucifixion? This was a common form of cruel execution by the Romans. Thousands of Jews were executed this way. Why was this one so different?
Jesus wasn't even a rebel; the Romans didn't find him guilty. He was crucified as Israel's messiah.
Depends which way you look at it.
Even some of those movies addressed the issue of rebellion against Roman occupation.
But not so much with Jewish law - working on the Sabbath and all that. The temple leaders insisted he be crucified. Jesus was defying their tradition.
He was Israel's messiah, the one to bring God's kingdom to the earth. Crucifixion and resurrection were the way to do it.
So how could he be Israel's messiah if he defied G-d's law,
and didn't fulfill any of the obligation of a messiah?
Makes no sense.
But he did fulfill the obligation of the Messiah.
Tell us, where is "Messiah" mentioned specifically in the Torah?
How did he fulfill it?
Moshiach (also known as messiah) is the long awaited Jewish leader who will usher in an era of world peace and G‑dly awareness.
The Jewish messiah is a human being, a descendant of King David, who will lead the Jewish people back to the Land of Israel, where they serve G‑d in peace, leading the nations of the world in attaining an understanding of the Creator.
Messiah will also rebuild the Holy Temple in Jerusalem, establishing an era of peace and prosperity that will endure forever.
From Chabad.
Ok, I'll ask you. What scriptures refer to the Messiah and what you speak of?
As for Isaiah 53, it says that "God's servant", whom you claim is not the Messiah, is a descendant of King David. In fact, both Matthew and Luke go into detail as to the lineage of both Mary and Joseph going back to King David. So there is one fulfillment.
As for all of the fulfillments, Christians believe the Messiah is coming back to complete all of the fulfillments.
I did a scholarly study of those gospels once, and they contradict themselves.
If Jesus is a direct descendent of King David, how can he be a half God with supernatural qualities?