I Think My School District Just Turned Me Into A Trump Voter

[g5000]

In about 2 weeks I was called down to his office and my parents were called in. He insisted that I go to a shrink because I had lied so well. (Did he think I was supposed to twitch?).

Did you explain that you were a Democrat?

Until last year, I was a Republican. I'm now registered as an Independent.

Unlike Trump who was a registered Democrat until he figured out the GOP would be a lot easier to hoax.

 

[Pogo]

I feel for G's son. Taking a sophomore kid's business to Limbaugh or Carr to make political war is just plain over the line.

I have a lot of respect for G, but this is a mistake.

Why?

Why is making this a political war over the line? What was over the line was the political BS that caused this to happen.

You and pogo are simply against him hitting back politically because it is the side you agree with this time.

Because it isn't a political issue, that's why.

Unless you can explain to the class wtf a school's operation, reasonable or unreasonable, has to do with Rump, or with any kind of "politics" at all.

Clearly the school's (over)reaction here is based on a concern about gun violence in schools. While this or that politician may choose to take a side related to that, "gun violence in schools" is not itself a political issue but a social one. Politics and politicians have no authority or influence over social values. What is Donald Rump supposed to do, issue an executive order saying a kid can make a finger gun?

I might add, we had no indication from the OP if this suspension was entirely from the incident described, or if it comes from a cumulative history. That's all stuff we don't know, but that's not political either.

I don't know what OL stated but I advised that g5000 should not allow the talking heads to frame the issue as political. And I explained then, that they would do that in order to spike their ratings, because tribalist conflict is a boon for ratings --- but it also completely obscures what's going on and reduces it to yet another pawn in that bullshit tribal "everything is politics" song and dance. As long as that keeps happening, nothing gets addressed.

It is definitely a political issue. I posted about my son having a pen confiscated because it was made out of a shell casing. The teacher is an anti-gun far left hippie. And the principal kept the pen until I kicked him in the balls and forced them to give it back to my son.

That principal is now a district superintendent and he has the final call on allowing my son back to school and he is being a total prick.

Even though he now knows ALL the facts, and he now knows the reason my son was suspended was based on a bogus fable, he STILL will not reinstate my son unless my son is forced to talk to a counselor about this non-existent event!

Right out of Kafka.

You still haven't made the case for it being a "political" issue. Sure, you had a conflict, sure, you and the super have different values on what things mean and what should be allowed in the school environment. None of that is "political". Nor (again) is gun violence itself. That's a social disease. Just as your difference of opinion on whether a pen made of gun parts is appropriate, is a variance in cultural values.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Listening right now to the OP on the Lars Larson show.

What do you think?

You're a star.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

In about 2 weeks I was called down to his office and my parents were called in. He insisted that I go to a shrink because I had lied so well. (Did he think I was supposed to twitch?).

Did you explain that you were a Democrat?

Until last year, I was a Republican. I'm now registered as an Independent.

Unlike Trump who was a registered Democrat until he figured out the GOP would be a lot easier to hoax.

Either that, or he just got sick of the liberal bullshit as well. That's more likely the reason.

 

[g5000]

I feel for G's son. Taking a sophomore kid's business to Limbaugh or Carr to make political war is just plain over the line.

I have a lot of respect for G, but this is a mistake.

Why?

Why is making this a political war over the line? What was over the line was the political BS that caused this to happen.

You and pogo are simply against him hitting back politically because it is the side you agree with this time.

Because it isn't a political issue, that's why.

Unless you can explain to the class wtf a school's operation, reasonable or unreasonable, has to do with Rump, or with any kind of "politics" at all.

Clearly the school's (over)reaction here is based on a concern about gun violence in schools. While this or that politician may choose to take a side related to that, "gun violence in schools" is not itself a political issue but a social one. Politics and politicians have no authority or influence over social values. What is Donald Rump supposed to do, issue an executive order saying a kid can make a finger gun?

I might add, we had no indication from the OP if this suspension was entirely from the incident described, or if it comes from a cumulative history. That's all stuff we don't know, but that's not political either.

I don't know what OL stated but I advised that g5000 should not allow the talking heads to frame the issue as political. And I explained then, that they would do that in order to spike their ratings, because tribalist conflict is a boon for ratings --- but it also completely obscures what's going on and reduces it to yet another pawn in that bullshit tribal "everything is politics" song and dance. As long as that keeps happening, nothing gets addressed.

It is definitely a political issue. I posted about my son having a pen confiscated because it was made out of a shell casing. The teacher is an anti-gun far left hippie. And the principal kept the pen until I kicked him in the balls and forced them to give it back to my son.

That principal is now a district superintendent and he has the final call on allowing my son back to school and he is being a total prick.

Even though he now knows ALL the facts, and he now knows the reason my son was suspended was based on a bogus fable, he STILL will not reinstate my son unless my son is forced to talk to a counselor about this non-existent event!

Right out of Kafka.

You still haven't made the case for it being a "political" issue. Sure, you had a conflict, sure, you and the super have different values on what things mean and what should be allowed in the school environment. None of that is "political". Nor (again) is gun violence itself. That's a social disease.

Determining the direction we want our schools to go, and how they should be run, is as political as it gets.

I'm surprised you don't understand that.

 

[Pogo]

I feel for G's son. Taking a sophomore kid's business to Limbaugh or Carr to make political war is just plain over the line.

I have a lot of respect for G, but this is a mistake.

Why?

Why is making this a political war over the line? What was over the line was the political BS that caused this to happen.

You and pogo are simply against him hitting back politically because it is the side you agree with this time.

Because it isn't a political issue, that's why.

Unless you can explain to the class wtf a school's operation, reasonable or unreasonable, has to do with Rump, or with any kind of "politics" at all.

Clearly the school's (over)reaction here is based on a concern about gun violence in schools. While this or that politician may choose to take a side related to that, "gun violence in schools" is not itself a political issue but a social one. Politics and politicians have no authority or influence over social values. What is Donald Rump supposed to do, issue an executive order saying a kid can make a finger gun?

I might add, we had no indication from the OP if this suspension was entirely from the incident described, or if it comes from a cumulative history. That's all stuff we don't know, but that's not political either.

I don't know what OL stated but I advised that g5000 should not allow the talking heads to frame the issue as political. And I explained then, that they would do that in order to spike their ratings, because tribalist conflict is a boon for ratings --- but it also completely obscures what's going on and reduces it to yet another pawn in that bullshit tribal "everything is politics" song and dance. As long as that keeps happening, nothing gets addressed.

It is definitely a political issue. I posted about my son having a pen confiscated because it was made out of a shell casing. The teacher is an anti-gun far left hippie. And the principal kept the pen until I kicked him in the balls and forced them to give it back to my son.

That principal is now a district superintendent and he has the final call on allowing my son back to school and he is being a total prick.

Even though he now knows ALL the facts, and he now knows the reason my son was suspended was based on a bogus fable, he STILL will not reinstate my son unless my son is forced to talk to a counselor about this non-existent event!

Right out of Kafka.

You still haven't made the case for it being a "political" issue. Sure, you had a conflict, sure, you and the super have different values on what things mean and what should be allowed in the school environment. None of that is "political". Nor (again) is gun violence itself. That's a social disease.

Determining the direction we want our schools to go, and how they should be run, is as political as it gets.

I'm surprised you don't understand that.

Are not the vast majority of school board elections, like most municipalities, nonpartisan? Where does that leave you "politically" if you have a grievance with a particular official?

 

[Missourian]

So my son, a high school sophomore, is sitting in class and the teacher leaves the room for some reason.

The kids start goofing off and my son and his best friend start aiming their fingers at each other and going bang-bang. They play a lot of PUBG. They're kids. This is what kids do.

Some other fucking candyass motherfucking pussy soap bubble of a punk in the class tells the teacher when she comes back that my son was pretending to shoot a gun at HER (the teacher). The teacher wasn't even in the room!

My son is taken to security and interrogated, and several "witnesses" are interrogated.

The assistant principal calls my wife (because the bitch is terrified of me) and tells my wife my son is suspended, and he cannot return until he sees a fucking shrink.

I shit you not.

This insanity is right out of Kafka.


If there is anyone on Trump's staff, or Rush Limbaugh's show, or Fox News reading this, please PM me. I would like to make these fucking retards into a national embarrassment.

Thank you.

Told you I knew you were a smart fella...had no doubt you'd come around eventually.

 

[Richard-H]

In about 2 weeks I was called down to his office and my parents were called in. He insisted that I go to a shrink because I had lied so well. (Did he think I was supposed to twitch?).

Did you explain that you were a Democrat?

Politics have nothing to do with it. Learning to play poker since I've been in diapers is how I learned to keep a straight face.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So my son, a high school sophomore, is sitting in class and the teacher leaves the room for some reason.

The kids start goofing off and my son and his best friend start aiming their fingers at each other and going bang-bang. They play a lot of PUBG. They're kids. This is what kids do.

Some other fucking candyass motherfucking pussy soap bubble of a punk in the class tells the teacher when she comes back that my son was pretending to shoot a gun at HER (the teacher). The teacher wasn't even in the room!

My son is taken to security and interrogated, and several "witnesses" are interrogated.

The assistant principal calls my wife (because the bitch is terrified of me) and tells my wife my son is suspended, and he cannot return until he sees a fucking shrink.

I shit you not.

This insanity is right out of Kafka.


If there is anyone on Trump's staff, or Rush Limbaugh's show, or Fox News reading this, please PM me. I would like to make these fucking retards into a national embarrassment.

Thank you.

Told you I knew you were a smart fella...had no doubt you'd come around eventually.

Being on the left side sounds good until you suffer the consequences of their policies, stances or movements.

You might say you are all for cross dressers using women's restrooms until you find one or more was in your daughters changing or bathrooms in school. You might like the idea of gun control until you or somebody in your family is threatened and you find out you have limitations on what you can buy to defend them. You might think it's humane to be against the death penalty until somebody close to you is murdered. You might think the federal government has the right to control what you eat until you notice your kid is losing unnecessary weight because Mooochelle stopped your school from providing edible food. You might think allowing foreigners to flow into our country is humane until one of them gets drunk and smashes their car into your front porch.

Leftist policies sound really great, but in reality, are destructive to our country and heritage.

You have to suffer liberalism to really understand it.

 

[FA_Q2]

I feel for G's son. Taking a sophomore kid's business to Limbaugh or Carr to make political war is just plain over the line.

I have a lot of respect for G, but this is a mistake.

Why?

Why is making this a political war over the line? What was over the line was the political BS that caused this to happen.

You and pogo are simply against him hitting back politically because it is the side you agree with this time.

You're quite the mind reader, aren't you?

More importantly, have you given a moment's thought to what would happen to the kid were his story to be picked up by the national tabloid media? What will be left of him once Rush and Co. are done with either eulogizing him as the next American Sniper, or decrying him as a gun-obsessed monster to come?

I would think that HIS FATHER is the one to make that call.

You know, the one right here that is taking this to the national stage. I know, I know, you and old lady must know better than his father does because.... well just because.

 

[FA_Q2]

I feel for G's son. Taking a sophomore kid's business to Limbaugh or Carr to make political war is just plain over the line.

I have a lot of respect for G, but this is a mistake.

Why?

Why is making this a political war over the line? What was over the line was the political BS that caused this to happen.

You and pogo are simply against him hitting back politically because it is the side you agree with this time.

Because it isn't a political issue, that's why.

Unless you can explain to the class wtf a school's operation, reasonable or unreasonable, has to do with Rump, or with any kind of "politics" at all.

Clearly the school's (over)reaction here is based on a concern about gun violence in schools. While this or that politician may choose to take a side related to that, "gun violence in schools" is not itself a political issue but a social one. Politics and politicians have no authority or influence over social values. What is Donald Rump supposed to do, issue an executive order saying a kid can make a finger gun?

I might add, we had no indication from the OP if this suspension was entirely from the incident described, or if it comes from a cumulative history. That's all stuff we don't know, but that's not political either.

I don't know what OL stated but I advised that g5000 should not allow the talking heads to frame the issue as political. And I explained then, that they would do that in order to spike their ratings, because tribalist conflict is a boon for ratings --- but it also completely obscures what's going on and reduces it to yet another pawn in that bullshit tribal "everything is politics" song and dance. As long as that keeps happening, nothing gets addressed.

As Ray is about to do in exactly two posts...

Where do you think those policies come from? It comes from the political parties using these events as kick balls to advance their agenda. This new hyper sensitive bullshit is a political issue all over the nation. The fact that you do not want to acknowledge that is not really my problem pogo and I don't think that people should be quietly taking this crap without taking on the issue to its source.

 

[dblack]

I feel for G's son. Taking a sophomore kid's business to Limbaugh or Carr to make political war is just plain over the line.

I have a lot of respect for G, but this is a mistake.

Why?

Why is making this a political war over the line? What was over the line was the political BS that caused this to happen.

You and pogo are simply against him hitting back politically because it is the side you agree with this time.

You're quite the mind reader, aren't you?

More importantly, have you given a moment's thought to what would happen to the kid were his story to be picked up by the national tabloid media? What will be left of him once Rush and Co. are done with either eulogizing him as the next American Sniper, or decrying him as a gun-obsessed monster to come?

I would think that HIS FATHER is the one to make that call.

You know, the one right here that is taking this to the national stage. I know, I know, you and old lady must know better than his father does because.... well just because.

When I was a kid, I used to worry about bringing home bad news from school. I worried because I was afraid my parents would charge up to the school and raise a fuss, sure that the teacher was unfairly picking on me. In point of fact, they were often wrong. They were always on my side, and I was often wrong. But it felt good to know they had my back. I didn't realize how rare this was until I grew up and started talking to others who didn't have that kind of support.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So my son, a high school sophomore, is sitting in class and the teacher leaves the room for some reason.

The kids start goofing off and my son and his best friend start aiming their fingers at each other and going bang-bang. They play a lot of PUBG. They're kids. This is what kids do.

Some other fucking candyass motherfucking pussy soap bubble of a punk in the class tells the teacher when she comes back that my son was pretending to shoot a gun at HER (the teacher). The teacher wasn't even in the room!

My son is taken to security and interrogated, and several "witnesses" are interrogated.

The assistant principal calls my wife (because the bitch is terrified of me) and tells my wife my son is suspended, and he cannot return until he sees a fucking shrink.

I shit you not.

This insanity is right out of Kafka.


If there is anyone on Trump's staff, or Rush Limbaugh's show, or Fox News reading this, please PM me. I would like to make these fucking retards into a national embarrassment.

Thank you.

Told you I knew you were a smart fella...had no doubt you'd come around eventually.

Being on the left side sounds good until you suffer the consequences of their policies, stances or movements.

You might say you are all for cross dressers using women's restrooms until you find one or more was in your daughters changing or bathrooms in school. You might like the idea of gun control until you or somebody in your family is threatened and you find out you have limitations on what you can buy to defend them. You might think it's humane to be against the death penalty until somebody close to you is murdered. You might think the federal government has the right to control what you eat until you notice your kid is losing unnecessary weight because Mooochelle stopped your school from providing edible food. You might think allowing foreigners to flow into our country is humane until one of them gets drunk and smashes their car into your front porch.

Leftist policies sound really great, but in reality, are destructive to our country and heritage.

You have to suffer liberalism to really understand it.

Look at the responses here between conservatives and known liberals. How can anybody say this has nothing to do with politics?

 

[Olde Europe]

I would think that HIS FATHER is the one to make that call.

You know, the one right here that is taking this to the national stage. I know, I know, you and old lady must know better than his father does because.... well just because.

So, G5000 put this whole sordid tale up for discussion, and we all thought we're going to make the call, and now, at posting #710, you inform us it remained his call all the time?

Darn!

 

[FA_Q2]

I would think that HIS FATHER is the one to make that call.

You know, the one right here that is taking this to the national stage. I know, I know, you and old lady must know better than his father does because.... well just because.

So, G5000 put this whole sordid tale up for discussion, and we all thought we're going to make the call, and now, at posting #710, you inform us it remained his call all the time?

Darn!

What are you babbling about?

Cant follow a basic conversation?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Tards living in the shit they create

Then they move to red states and destroy those states.

Tardism is a cancer.

 

[Olde Europe]

 

[OldLady]

I feel for G's son. Taking a sophomore kid's business to Limbaugh or Carr to make political war is just plain over the line.

I have a lot of respect for G, but this is a mistake.

Why?

Why is making this a political war over the line? What was over the line was the political BS that caused this to happen.

You and pogo are simply against him hitting back politically because it is the side you agree with this time.

You're quite the mind reader, aren't you?

More importantly, have you given a moment's thought to what would happen to the kid were his story to be picked up by the national tabloid media? What will be left of him once Rush and Co. are done with either eulogizing him as the next American Sniper, or decrying him as a gun-obsessed monster to come?

I would think that HIS FATHER is the one to make that call.

You know, the one right here that is taking this to the national stage. I know, I know, you and old lady must know better than his father does because.... well just because.

Nah, I'm just shy so I'm putting myself in the kid's shoes and not liking it one bit.

 

[OldLady]

I feel for G's son. Taking a sophomore kid's business to Limbaugh or Carr to make political war is just plain over the line.

I have a lot of respect for G, but this is a mistake.

Why?

Why is making this a political war over the line? What was over the line was the political BS that caused this to happen.

You and pogo are simply against him hitting back politically because it is the side you agree with this time.

You're quite the mind reader, aren't you?

More importantly, have you given a moment's thought to what would happen to the kid were his story to be picked up by the national tabloid media? What will be left of him once Rush and Co. are done with either eulogizing him as the next American Sniper, or decrying him as a gun-obsessed monster to come?

I would think that HIS FATHER is the one to make that call.

You know, the one right here that is taking this to the national stage. I know, I know, you and old lady must know better than his father does because.... well just because.

When I was a kid, I used to worry about bringing home bad news from school. I worried because I was afraid my parents would charge up to the school and raise a fuss, sure that the teacher was unfairly picking on me. In point of fact, they were often wrong. They were always on my side, and I was often wrong. But it felt good to know they had my back. I didn't realize how rare this was until I grew up and started talking to others who didn't have that kind of support.

Wow. I could have used YOUR parents. I was worried about bringing home bad news from school because I knew I'd be in twice as much trouble there as at school.

 

[Pogo]

I feel for G's son. Taking a sophomore kid's business to Limbaugh or Carr to make political war is just plain over the line.

I have a lot of respect for G, but this is a mistake.

Why?

Why is making this a political war over the line? What was over the line was the political BS that caused this to happen.

You and pogo are simply against him hitting back politically because it is the side you agree with this time.

Because it isn't a political issue, that's why.

Unless you can explain to the class wtf a school's operation, reasonable or unreasonable, has to do with Rump, or with any kind of "politics" at all.

Clearly the school's (over)reaction here is based on a concern about gun violence in schools. While this or that politician may choose to take a side related to that, "gun violence in schools" is not itself a political issue but a social one. Politics and politicians have no authority or influence over social values. What is Donald Rump supposed to do, issue an executive order saying a kid can make a finger gun?

I might add, we had no indication from the OP if this suspension was entirely from the incident described, or if it comes from a cumulative history. That's all stuff we don't know, but that's not political either.

I don't know what OL stated but I advised that g5000 should not allow the talking heads to frame the issue as political. And I explained then, that they would do that in order to spike their ratings, because tribalist conflict is a boon for ratings --- but it also completely obscures what's going on and reduces it to yet another pawn in that bullshit tribal "everything is politics" song and dance. As long as that keeps happening, nothing gets addressed.

As Ray is about to do in exactly two posts...

Where do you think those policies come from? It comes from the political parties using these events as kick balls to advance their agenda. This new hyper sensitive bullshit is a political issue all over the nation. The fact that you do not want to acknowledge that is not really my problem pogo and I don't think that people should be quietly taking this crap without taking on the issue to its source.

No I don't accept that creation premise at all that social pressures and guidelines take their cues from politicians. Not even close. It's the exact opposite.

You have a wide-ranging social crisis, in this case school gun violence (or gun violence in general), but it could be any crisis. Consensus of opinion coalesces in the general public regarding what to do about it. In the case of a cultural divide on that crisis we get multiple and conflicting consensuses --- competing or opposing "camps". ONLY once those camps are established will politicians declare themselves to be "in" this one or that one. Politicians absolutely DO NOT lead sociocultural changes --- they follow them. According to whichever "camp" will serve their own ambitions.

I'll again point to my ready go-to example: smoking tobacco. If you're of a certain age you know it used to be a very common practice. Doctors smoked. Restaurants. Freaking planes. There was no such thing as a no-smoking section. You either smoked, or you put up with it. Every movie actor and TV scenario... watch Mike Wallace at the intro here between 0:15 and 0:25. He even casually tosses his match on the floor.

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Nothing remotely like that would happen today. Nor would you likely see a screen actor, even the villain, smoking. And of course smoking on a plane is right out. That's a cultural shift. Politicians didn't do that. What happened is that the general public collectively decided it wasn't going to put up with smoking. And so you get (first) reserved no-smoking sections in restaurants and (eventually) no smoking at all in them. You may cherrypick a random politician jumping on the bandwagon passing a local ordinance about smoking in bars but again that's a reaction to where the public is already leading them. The old adage "if the people lead eventually the leaders will follow" sometimes actually works.

Moreover the way that smoking got started in the first place and sustained itself and grew to such a degree, was via advertising --- not politics. And that's far more influential. The bottom line to this analogy is not a lot of people smoke any more and politicians didn't do that --- WE did.

Or take the (false) association of religion with politics. In wayback-then, the same time all that smoking was going on, there was no imaginary "correlation" between what your religion was and what your politics were. They went together like fish and bicycles. Along comes the Jerry Falwell ilk (again, enter advertising) and suddenly we've got "camps" with fake political party "associations" . Politicians didn't do that -- they followed the Falwells. And only did so when they thought it would sell.

Back to the instant case, this school district, and others nationwide, cannot ignore the crisis of gun violence in schools and are literally the battlefield for it. So they necessarily come up with policies, which again will vary in cultural values between different parties, including in this case the OP and his son's school. Politicians didn't create that policy --- the school did. It has a direct and intimate investment in its own welfare which given the stark consequences of failing to do that can and does result in hypervigilance. What they come up with may be reasonable or extreme but it's THEIR environment and it's up to them to control it day-to-day. The fact that politician A over here may support that policy while politician B over there opposes it, simply does not make them the originators of that policy. It makes them followers of what they think is the appropriate social trend for them.

This is the same thing I've been preaching the entire time I've been on this site about gun violence in general, the hot issue when I joined USMB, that it's not a question of throwing laws at it but rather a question of cultural values. And I mention that because you personally, I recall, were one of the few who took the effort to understood what I was saying.

So that's why this is not a political issue. Politicians don't start these 'camps'. They may, and they surely do, jump into those camps and in so doing deepen the divide for no good purpose, but make no mistake, they didn't create those camps. WE did. So this idea that goes around that believes "we have a problem and therefore politicians have to fix it" (which then means "my" politicians have to overcome "your" politicians to do so), just sounds like a giant cop-out. That's a giant dead end.