I think the military-industrial complex is pressuring Obama to restart the Cold War

[Smilodonfatalis]

The "military-industrial complex" is a hilariously abused term....what the hell does it mean? That we manufacture our own weaponry? Isn't that good thing? There is and never has been a "conspiracy" to start wars so the major players could build more weapons. We keep them busy without that because we stay ready to fight in 2 major theatres. We wear out more systems practicing than to enemy fire.

What did Eisenhower mean than when he used the term?

The world was a much different place 53 years ago.....we'd emerged from WW2 as the only major power not bombed into ruins. The weapons vendors were still converting production back to consumer products. Some weren't doing so well at that...they've been gone for over 30 years. I can't think of a defense contractor benefitting from from a phony reason for war since LBJ's Gulf of Tonkin days. You can mutter about Halliburton if you like but know who they are.....hundreds of independent contractors under their umbrella and the only company that can take on the massive supply requirements of a modern invasion force half way around the world. Then there's Blackwater....a collection of the finest snipers and ordnance-disposal techs in the world....I'm all for the outsourcing of military needs to Amercian companies....they have to perform or be replaced.

You have got to be kidding me.

Defense contractors didn't benefit from the U.S. invasion of Iraq?

You do realize the invasion of Iraq was for a phony reason, don't you?

Here's a link to an article about the war profiteering in Iraq, which was begun for as phony a reason as the Gulf of Tonkin.

 

[JoeBlam]

What did Eisenhower mean than when he used the term?

The world was a much different place 53 years ago.....we'd emerged from WW2 as the only major power not bombed into ruins. The weapons vendors were still converting production back to consumer products. Some weren't doing so well at that...they've been gone for over 30 years. I can't think of a defense contractor benefitting from from a phony reason for war since LBJ's Gulf of Tonkin days. You can mutter about Halliburton if you like but know who they are.....hundreds of independent contractors under their umbrella and the only company that can take on the massive supply requirements of a modern invasion force half way around the world. Then there's Blackwater....a collection of the finest snipers and ordnance-disposal techs in the world....I'm all for the outsourcing of military needs to Amercian companies....they have to perform or be replaced.

You have got to be kidding me.

Defense contractors didn't benefit from the U.S. invasion of Iraq?

You do realize the invasion of Iraq was for a phony reason, don't you?

Here's a link to an article about the war profiteering in Iraq, which was begun for as phony a reason as the Gulf of Tonkin.

Shake up the snow in your little glass winter scene globe did I? Every stinkin democRAT in power said Saddam was a menace to us.....nothing "phony" at all about Iraq.....but enjoy letting us know you're a paranoid idiot.

 

[Katzndogz]

Hey Katz and Takeastepback,

You need to read this link, sit down, and shut up.

U.S. Begins Shipping Arms for Syrian Rebels - WSJ.com

The arms are going to a small group of vetted moderate rebels.

That obama supports al quaeda in Syria has never been a secret. It's why the Egyptians hate us so much.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Hey Katz and Takeastepback,

You need to read this link, sit down, and shut up.

U.S. Begins Shipping Arms for Syrian Rebels - WSJ.com

The arms are going to a small group of vetted moderate rebels.

Syria rebels, led by militants with al Qaeda links, claim capture of major air base - CBS News

Syrian rebels captured a major air base in the north of the country on Tuesday after months of fighting, depriving President Bashar Assad's forces of one of their main posts near the border with Turkey, activists said.


The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said Mannagh helicopter base fell nearly 24 hours after rebels, led by al Qaeda-linked militants, launched an all-out offensive against it. The Aleppo Media Center said rebels finally captured it before dawn.....

The Observatory said the final assault on Mannagh was led by members of the al Qaeda-linked Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. It began early Monday when a Saudi suicide attacker blew his vehicle up outside the command center of the sprawling compound.

US to aid Syrian groups that support al Qaeda's affiliate - The Long War Journal


The US State Department announced today that it will provide nonlethal aid to two Syrian rebel groups, the Syrian Opposition Coalition and the Free Syrian Army. Both of these groups support and actively fight alongside the Al Nusrah Front for the People of the Levant, which is al Qaeda's affiliate in the war-torn country.

The State Department announced that it would provide $60 million in direct aid to the Syrian Opposition Coalition, an alliance of Syrian groups that has come out in support of the Al Nusrah Front after the US designated it as a Foreign Terrorist Organization and al Qaeda in Iraq's affiliate in Syria in December 2012.

"This money will be used particularly to enable the SOC to help local councils and communities in liberated areas of Syria expand the delivery of basic goods and essential services, and to fulfill administrative functions, including security, sanitation, and educational services," an unnamed State Department official told reporters in a briefing today.

Additionally, the State Department said that "the United States will look for opportunities to work with the ... Supreme Military Council ... to provide concrete, nonlethal support to the Free Syrian Army."

"This will include things like military rations to feed hungry fighters and medical supplies to tend the sick and the wounded," the official continued.

But as documented by The Long War Journal numerous times, the ostensibly secular Free Syrian Army often fights alongside or under the command of the Al Nusrah Front. The two groups have overrun Syrian military bases and they have even conducted a suicide attack in concert.



Read more: US to aid Syrian groups that support al Qaeda's affiliate - The Long War Journal

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

Hey Katz and Takeastepback,

You need to read this link, sit down, and shut up.

U.S. Begins Shipping Arms for Syrian Rebels - WSJ.com

The arms are going to a small group of vetted moderate rebels.

That obama supports al quaeda in Syria has never been a secret. It's why the Egyptians hate us so much.

I guess you don't know how to click on a link and read.

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

Hey Katz and Takeastepback,

You need to read this link, sit down, and shut up.

U.S. Begins Shipping Arms for Syrian Rebels - WSJ.com

The arms are going to a small group of vetted moderate rebels.

Syria rebels, led by militants with al Qaeda links, claim capture of major air base - CBS News

Syrian rebels captured a major air base in the north of the country on Tuesday after months of fighting, depriving President Bashar Assad's forces of one of their main posts near the border with Turkey, activists said.


The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said Mannagh helicopter base fell nearly 24 hours after rebels, led by al Qaeda-linked militants, launched an all-out offensive against it. The Aleppo Media Center said rebels finally captured it before dawn.....

The Observatory said the final assault on Mannagh was led by members of the al Qaeda-linked Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. It began early Monday when a Saudi suicide attacker blew his vehicle up outside the command center of the sprawling compound.

US to aid Syrian groups that support al Qaeda's affiliate - The Long War Journal


The US State Department announced today that it will provide nonlethal aid to two Syrian rebel groups, the Syrian Opposition Coalition and the Free Syrian Army. Both of these groups support and actively fight alongside the Al Nusrah Front for the People of the Levant, which is al Qaeda's affiliate in the war-torn country.

The State Department announced that it would provide $60 million in direct aid to the Syrian Opposition Coalition, an alliance of Syrian groups that has come out in support of the Al Nusrah Front after the US designated it as a Foreign Terrorist Organization and al Qaeda in Iraq's affiliate in Syria in December 2012.

"This money will be used particularly to enable the SOC to help local councils and communities in liberated areas of Syria expand the delivery of basic goods and essential services, and to fulfill administrative functions, including security, sanitation, and educational services," an unnamed State Department official told reporters in a briefing today.

Additionally, the State Department said that "the United States will look for opportunities to work with the ... Supreme Military Council ... to provide concrete, nonlethal support to the Free Syrian Army."

"This will include things like military rations to feed hungry fighters and medical supplies to tend the sick and the wounded," the official continued.

But as documented by The Long War Journal numerous times, the ostensibly secular Free Syrian Army often fights alongside or under the command of the Al Nusrah Front. The two groups have overrun Syrian military bases and they have even conducted a suicide attack in concert.



Read more: US to aid Syrian groups that support al Qaeda's affiliate - The Long War Journal

Neither of your links states that the U.S. is giving arms to al qaeda.

Neither link even mentions U.S. military aid, so you still need to sit down and shut up.

 

[DailyPolitrix.]

Obama has proven to be just another puppet of the military-industrial complex. He's been in no hurry to end the wars of aggression that the U.S. started under Bush, and now it looks like he wants to restart a Cold War with Russia.

Refusing to meet with Putin serves no diplomatic purpose, other than to make it look like the U.S. is a big crybaby every time this nation doesn't get its way.

Because Obama's diplomatic insult is being cheered by both Democrats and Republicans, I just assume it is a bad policy. If both sides of the aisle like what he is doing, it must be a godawful strategy.

I was born in 1962. The only presidents in my lifetime who were not warmongers out to enrich the military-industrial complex were Ford and Carter. Ford probably wasn't president long enough to get us in a war.

Eisenhower warned us about the influence of the military-industrial complex. He was one of the few presidents since WW II who kept us out of wars.

Ah so it has nothing to do with Putin turning Russia into an Authoritarian state.

The fact that he is still head of state, actually killing political opponents, invading countries, jailing people who don't agree with him, selling arms to our enemies and putting up laws that encourage violence against groups of people in his country.
It's all the military industrial complex.

Wait, are you talking about Russia or the USA now?

Sounds like the USA to me.

Lol sure does.

Tell me why should the US entangle in the internal affairs of Russia?