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fired over 100 missiles into Texas and California, would there be any doubt that we'd retaliate and hard...and that no one would ever question our right to retaliate?
so...what is it that makes anyone question the obligation of the Israeli government to respond to hundreds of Hamas missiles?
Personally, I think when your people are forced to live in bomb shelters by terrorists, you have an obligation to do what you have to in order to protect your population.
Reminder that this is the Clean Debate Zone and was intentionally placed here so as not to be another ranting and insane israel/pal section thread.
The difference, Jillian, is that Anti-Semitism runs deep within the media and the UN.
You're right in large part about both. But don't you think the far right white supremacists and neo-nazis also have a deep anti-Semitic streak? Don't you think the "let them blow each other up invocations of the paulisns is a more subtle strain?
Poll: 78% of Republicans Support Israel versus 53% of Democrats
The Republican Jewish Coalition (RJC) on Friday cited results from a recent Gallup poll to suggest that theres a growing Israel Gap between Republicans and Democrats. The poll broke down support for Israel by political affiliation, and revealed that Republican support for Israel is 25 percentage points higher than Democratic support, while overall Democratic support for Israel hovers just above 50 percent.
fired over 100 missiles into Texas and California, would there be any doubt that we'd retaliate and hard...and that no one would ever question our right to retaliate?
so...what is it that makes anyone question the obligation of the Israeli government to respond to hundreds of Hamas missiles?
Personally, I think when your people are forced to live in bomb shelters by terrorists, you have an obligation to do what you have to in order to protect your population.
Reminder that this is the Clean Debate Zone and was intentionally placed here so as not to be another ranting and insane israel/pal section thread.
The difference, Jillian, is that Anti-Semitism runs deep within the media and the UN.
You're right in large part about both. But don't you think the far right white supremacists and neo-nazis also have a deep anti-Semitic streak? Don't you think the "let them blow each other up invocations of the paulisns is a more subtle strain?
The difference, Jillian, is that Anti-Semitism runs deep within the media and the UN.
You're right in large part about both. But don't you think the far right white supremacists and neo-nazis also have a deep anti-Semitic streak? Don't you think the "let them blow each other up invocations of the paulisns is a more subtle strain?
Mainstream Democrats...
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2sWTwbzAcw]The DNC's Controversial Jerusalem Capital Vote - YouTube[/ame]
You're right in large part about both. But don't you think the far right white supremacists and neo-nazis also have a deep anti-Semitic streak? Don't you think the "let them blow each other up invocations of the paulisns is a more subtle strain?
Mainstream Democrats...
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2sWTwbzAcw]The DNC's Controversial Jerusalem Capital Vote - YouTube[/ame]
Please note Republicans never have to take votes like that. How embarassing for Democrats. Jillian, you are in the wrong party.
The Democratic Party platform on Palestinian Terrorism against Israel
And even as the President and the Democratic Party continue to encourage all parties to be resolute in the pursuit of peace, we will insist that any Palestinian partner must recognize Israel’s right to exist, reject violence, and adhere to existing agreements.
there is no mention of Hamas or an explicit condemnation of terrorism against Israel.
The Republican Party platform on Palestinian Terrorism against Israel
the Palestinian people must support leaders who reject terror, embrace the institutions and ethos of democracy, and respect the rule of law… Israel should not be expected to negotiate with entities pledged to her destruction
…radical elements like Hamas and Hezbollah must be isolated because they do not meet the standards of peace and diplomacy of the international community.
Article 4
1.Islam is the official religion in Palestine. Respect for the sanctity of all other divine religions shall be maintained.
2.The principles of Islamic Sharia shall be a principal source of legislation.
3.Arabic shall be the official language.
There is no way to maintain 'equal' rights while having a state religion, so many critics of Israel state.
How does one maintain a democracy with a religion-specific legal basis?
Article 7
Palestinian citizenship shall be regulated by law.
There were about 950,000 people across the Arab lands in the ME who found out that their citizenship and EVERYTHING they owned - including their land - could be legislated out from under them. They were redefined 'democratically' by legislative means as "hostile aliens" and ejected from their countries. They were ethnic Arabs, yes.
I think there's a fairly simple explanation for why most Americans are more likely to support the Israeli than the Palestinians.
Given no choice, which country do you think most Americans would rather live in: Israel or any one of the Arab moslem nations?
Most Americans know Jews fairly well. They've been our neighbors for our entire lives.
Jews therefore seem mostly harmless to us.
Moslems on the other hand are alien to us and of course that flapup on 9-11 didn't help the Moslem cause, either.
Perhaps if most Americans had had the same kinds of experience they already have with their Jewish students, doctors, team mates, accountants, friends, teachers, lawyers, judges and bosses, and often even wives or husbands, they might feel the same way about Palestinians as they feel about Jews.
If the Moslems want to have the same kind of relationship with Americans that Jews have, they're going to have become our neighbors and at the same time NOT ram their religious and social values down our throats.
But that kind of religious and social tolerance seems to be somewhat harder for Moslems to pill off than it does for most Jews.
fired over 100 missiles into Texas and California, would there be any doubt that we'd retaliate and hard...and that no one would ever question our right to retaliate?
so...what is it that makes anyone question the obligation of the Israeli government to respond to hundreds of Hamas missiles?
Personally, I think when your people are forced to live in bomb shelters by terrorists, you have an obligation to do what you have to in order to protect your population.
Reminder that this is the Clean Debate Zone and was intentionally placed here so as not to be another ranting and insane israel/pal section thread.
Please note Republicans never have to take votes like that. How embarassing for Democrats. Jillian, you are in the wrong party.
The Democratic Party platform on Palestinian Terrorism against Israel
And even as the President and the Democratic Party continue to encourage all parties to be resolute in the pursuit of peace, we will insist that any Palestinian partner must recognize Israel’s right to exist, reject violence, and adhere to existing agreements.
there is no mention of Hamas or an explicit condemnation of terrorism against Israel.
The Republican Party platform on Palestinian Terrorism against Israel
the Palestinian people must support leaders who reject terror, embrace the institutions and ethos of democracy, and respect the rule of law… Israel should not be expected to negotiate with entities pledged to her destruction
…radical elements like Hamas and Hezbollah must be isolated because they do not meet the standards of peace and diplomacy of the international community.
Democratic vs Republican Platforms on Israel
fired over 100 missiles into Texas and California, would there be any doubt that we'd retaliate and hard...and that no one would ever question our right to retaliate?
so...what is it that makes anyone question the obligation of the Israeli government to respond to hundreds of Hamas missiles?
Personally, I think when your people are forced to live in bomb shelters by terrorists, you have an obligation to do what you have to in order to protect your population.
Reminder that this is the Clean Debate Zone and was intentionally placed here so as not to be another ranting and insane israel/pal section thread.
Of course any country has the right to retaliate to such attacks.
What people are saying otherwise, other than Islamists and liberals?
Please note Republicans never have to take votes like that. How embarassing for Democrats. Jillian, you are in the wrong party.
The Republican Party platform on Palestinian Terrorism against Israel
the Palestinian people must support leaders who reject terror, embrace the institutions and ethos of democracy, and respect the rule of law… Israel should not be expected to negotiate with entities pledged to her destruction
…radical elements like Hamas and Hezbollah must be isolated because they do not meet the standards of peace and diplomacy of the international community.
Democratic vs Republican Platforms on Israel
not even a little. and your neocon link isn't even a little accurate.
realistic and normal people want to see peace in the region. they do not bleieve in bomb bomb bomb iran.
and really, why would you expect any educated woman to vote GOP unless she was also part of the radical religious right?
maybe if you rethink that and the whole neocon agenda.
until then, not really.
and for the record, just so you can maybe show a bit of integrity on this issue:
no democratic president ever made israel take SCUD missiles to keep an arab coalition together.
no democratic president ever made israel stop fighting against terrorists when they were winning.... making them look beatable for the first time ever.
your two bush presidents did that.
and no democratic president ever destabilized the region, thus allowing iran to be ascendant.
bush II did that.
so perhaps if you get rid of absurd tough-talking bomb bomb bomb rhetoric, you'll find that your guys in the GOP white houses haven't done anything to help israel.
The difference, Jillian, is that Anti-Semitism runs deep within the media and the UN.
i don't think that is true at all. i would say the opposite, in fact.
That's funny
not even a little. and your neocon link isn't even a little accurate.
realistic and normal people want to see peace in the region. they do not bleieve in bomb bomb bomb iran.
and really, why would you expect any educated woman to vote GOP unless she was also part of the radical religious right?
maybe if you rethink that and the whole neocon agenda.
until then, not really.
and for the record, just so you can maybe show a bit of integrity on this issue:
no democratic president ever made israel take SCUD missiles to keep an arab coalition together.
no democratic president ever made israel stop fighting against terrorists when they were winning.... making them look beatable for the first time ever.
your two bush presidents did that.
and no democratic president ever destabilized the region, thus allowing iran to be ascendant.
bush II did that.
so perhaps if you get rid of absurd tough-talking bomb bomb bomb rhetoric, you'll find that your guys in the GOP white houses haven't done anything to help israel.
One needs only to look at who the Israeli's prefer, they approve of Republicans by a wide margin over democrats that says it all. They preferred Bush over Obama your little statements mean nothing in the face of that reality...In other words you don’t know what you're talking about.
not even a little. and your neocon link isn't even a little accurate.
realistic and normal people want to see peace in the region. they do not bleieve in bomb bomb bomb iran.
and really, why would you expect any educated woman to vote GOP unless she was also part of the radical religious right?
maybe if you rethink that and the whole neocon agenda.
until then, not really.
and for the record, just so you can maybe show a bit of integrity on this issue:
no democratic president ever made israel take SCUD missiles to keep an arab coalition together.
no democratic president ever made israel stop fighting against terrorists when they were winning.... making them look beatable for the first time ever.
your two bush presidents did that.
and no democratic president ever destabilized the region, thus allowing iran to be ascendant.
bush II did that.
so perhaps if you get rid of absurd tough-talking bomb bomb bomb rhetoric, you'll find that your guys in the GOP white houses haven't done anything to help israel.
One needs only to look at who the Israeli's prefer, they approve of Republicans by a wide margin over democrats that says it all. They preferred Bush over Obama your little statements mean nothing in the face of that reality...In other words you dont know what you're talking about.
it's not who "israeli's" prefer. israelis aren't homogeneous either. there are rightwing israelis and leftwing israelis and moderate israelis.
most people aren't extremists in either direction.
and if people like you actually thought about things, you'd realize that the necons haven't done anything to help israel... but they talk nasty, so other neocons fall for it.
and? again. this isn't a is/pal section trash thread.
we already know there is a double standard. the posted videos do nothing to dispel that hypothesis. the question is WHY?
so the repeated efforts at trying to prove the premise or derail the subject doesn't really add much.
and? again. this isn't a is/pal section trash thread.
we already know there is a double standard. the posted videos do nothing to dispel that hypothesis. the question is WHY?
so the repeated efforts at trying to prove the premise or derail the subject doesn't really add much.
Many have wondered about the double standard.
It seems that many countries (particularly the US) never call Israel out for its consistent violations of international law.
The US says that the settlements are illegal but it never mentions that anyone should be in jail for those violations.
