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Whites are not responsible for black problems. Blacks are responsible for their problems and many of ours. We would be better off without them. They would be lost without us. No where on earth is there a black majority, black run country with a low crime rate, a high standard of living, and a well functioning government.A dishonest characterization of history but not surprising.
Whites in the United States never needed black labor.
White countries with very few Negroes do not have our problems with crime.
White American owe American Negroes nothing.
They owe us for the benefits of living in a civilization superior to anything they have developed on their own.
I have already answered most of your arguments.Apparently 17th, 18th and 19th Century White America and the 10 million or slaves who lived during this time would disagree with you.
The white countries with very few Negroes that come to mind don't have the race-based institutionalized socioeconomic inequality that we do. So that should satisfy your speculative curiosity.
Sure, just use them as slaves for generations, make sure they can't earn an income and own property for generations more, and then act as if that history doesn't exist and that it has had no influence at all on the current situation.
It's a double-edged sword. The benefits of our advanced civilization are offset by our rapacious and unsustainable use of natural resources, destruction of the environment, and the development of weapons that can end all civilizations on the earth in a half hour. And let's not forget that our advances came at the expense of less developed societies that we exploited for our gain.
Whites are not responsible for black problems.
Blacks are responsible for their problems and many of ours.
We would be better off without them.
They would be lost without us.
No where on earth is there a black majority, black run country with a low crime rate, a high standard of living, and a well functioning government.
I have already answered most of your arguments.
Colonial countries in sub Saharan Africa built schools, hospitals, roads, electronic power plants, water purification plants, and so on. Now that the whites are gone these are deteriorating.We're absolutely responsible for black problems. Did they immigrate here?
That world does not exist.
Shoulda thought about that before we imported and bred them by the millions, and before whites built a nation on their indentured servitude. A bit late for such wistfulness now, I'm afraid.
Not really. Many black individuals are doing quite well.
Nowhere on earth is there a black majority, black run country that hasn't been adversely impacted by colonialism and its progeny modern capitalism.
Colonial countries in sub Saharan Africa built schools, hospitals, roads, electronic power plants, water purification plants, and so on. Now that the whites are gone these are deteriorating.
Whites make bad decisons and that includes whites in authority. Blacks have been impacted by those decisions.I don't see IM2 using discrimination as a crutch. I don't disagree that a lot of black individuals make bad decisions, and without looking at hard data in front me, I wouldn't be surprised if, as a whole, on a per capita basis, the Black population made 'worse decisions' (for lack of a better description) in 2022 than other demographics -- again, with the possible exception of Native Americans living on federal reservations. I don't have a problem with that conclusion.
But I have a problem with the lazy conclusion that it's because there's something inherently (genetically) wrong with African Americans. Many of the things we take for granted are the result not only of individual and familial factors but also because of our communities. I know that comes across as social studies bullshit, but I don't think it is. When an entire class of people is debased and effectively cut off from the advancements of a civilization, then there are going to be adverse consequences.
"Well why do so many Blacks drop out of school?"
I don't know, but maybe it's because as a community, they learned that no matter how hard they tried, no matter how much they 'bettered themselves', education didn't seem to matter. Worse, their schools were historically under-resourced relative to the rest of the population. True, nowadays, there are problems that school children bring into the schools, like dysfunction in the home. This is why people refer to it as a vicious cycle.
If there's one thing I completely agree with conservatives on, it's the advice to young people of any color to avoid getting pregnant before they're prepared to handle parenthood. No question, that's a disaster in the making. It puts women and their children at such a disadvantage.
But going back to the community thing - I got an education because my parents expected it. I lived in a neighborhood with other children who had parents with similar expectations. I went to school surrounded by kids all of whom were expected to do the same. We all understood the disastrous implications of getting our girlfriends pregnant (and girls understood the disastrous consequences of getting pregnant) before we were fully mature and capable of bringing home an income. We were a community that was taught the value of hard work.
We also had political power and representation that cannot be overlooked or taken for granted. When cops came through our neighborhood, we assumed that they were serving and protecting. The few run-ins we had for underaged drinking, the cops basically laughed it off and let us go.
You can't take your community for granted. White people broke Black communities - on purpose. And that has had consequences. Once you break a community, you can't just put it back together again without some empathy and effort. I know some people will point out that Sicilians and Chinese faced discrimination, and they did. But that also, in a way, kind of makes my point. They dealt with discrimination and being segregated from the white community by basically staying in their ethnic enclaves - that explains places like Chinatown or Little Italy.
Black people were treated completely differently because their populations were so large that they were viewed as a political threat to white communities. As far as whites in the South were concerned, Blacks only had one reason for their mere existence: to serve as cheap labor that never questioned their white masters. The moment they dared to demand their rights they got strung up in a tree or the water hoses turned on them.
When they moved north, they weren't treated much better because white union-busting industrialists knew that Blacks who were escaping the horrendous conditions of the South were willing to work for much less than the white laborers who had been trying to organize labor for decades, getting killed in violent clashes with private security and national guardsmen in some cases. It was white laborers and even other immigrants who violently murdered Blacks in industrial cities like East St. Louis and Chicago in 1917 and 1919.
So it's a bit of a misleading characterization to compare Blacks to other groups that "made it" in spite of their difficulties. The only other demographic in the U.S. that has suffered such collective punishment and abuse is Native Americans. Those who integrated with white society have largely lived a mostly white life, but those who've lived in reservations have suffered many of the same outcomes that we're discussing in black communities - even worse in many cases.
And some of that over consumption has created droughts in African countries caused by climate change. Those droughts destroyed food sources and caused famine. But hey, those black countries..."White" countries are over-consuming and destroying the planet - I'm sure sub-Saharan countries are grateful about that.
We're absolutely responsible for black problems. Did they immigrate here?
That world does not exist.
Shoulda thought about that before we imported and bred them by the millions, and before whites built a nation on their indentured servitude. A bit late for such wistfulness now, I'm afraid.
Not really. Many black individuals are doing quite well.
Nowhere on earth is there a black majority, black run country that hasn't been adversely impacted by colonialism and its progeny modern capitalism.
Whites make bad decisons and that includes whites in authority. Blacks have been impacted by those decisions.
Having children out of wedlock isn't the issue.
In 2017, Demos published a study titled, “The Asset Value of Whiteness: Understanding the Racial Wealth Gap.” On page 10 this statement is written: "The median white single parent has 2.2 times more wealth than the median black two-parent household and 1.9 times more wealth than the median Latino two-parent household."
I appreciate what you are posting. Far too many people ignore the factors you present and then try arguing based on their opinion or trying to cokmpare blacks to the experiences of white immigrant groups as if everything has been the same.
We're absolutely responsible for black problems. Did they immigrate here?
Are we holding them here against their will?
And some of that over consumption has created droughts in African countries caused by climate change. Those droughts destroyed food sources and caused famine. But hey, those black countries...
The white single parent median income is wha'ts being referred to here. Age has nothing to do with this because single young whites have children. But since you want to look for an excuse:Having children out of wedlock isn't the issue.
It's not a bug, it's a feature!
"The median white single parent has 2.2 times more wealth than the median black two-parent household and 1.9 times more wealth than the median Latino two-parent household."
How old is the "median white single parent". How long were they married before they were single?
How old are the "median black two-parent household and the median Latino two-parent household"?
Yep. Overconsumption of fossil fuels is a cause of climate change.White overconsumption causes drought in Africa?
Whites make bad decisons and that includes whites in authority. Blacks have been impacted by those decisions.
Having children out of wedlock isn't the issue.
In 2017, Demos published a study titled, “The Asset Value of Whiteness: Understanding the Racial Wealth Gap.” On page 10 this statement is written: "The median white single parent has 2.2 times more wealth than the median black two-parent household and 1.9 times more wealth than the median Latino two-parent household."
I appreciate what you are posting. Far too many people ignore the factors you present and then try arguing based on their opinion or trying to cokmpare blacks to the experiences of white immigrant groups as if everything has been the same.
We're absolutely responsible for black problems. Did they immigrate here?
Are we holding them here against their will?
The white single parent median income is wha'ts being referred to here. Age has nothing to do with this because single young whites have children. But since you want to look for an excuse:
"In 1965, Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s report, The Negro Family: The Case for National Action, attributed racial inequality as well as poverty and crime in the black community to family structure, particularly the prevalence of families headed by single mothers. Not only did research at the time cast doubt on this causality, but evidence over the last the 50 years demonstrates that rates of child poverty, educational attainment, and crime do not track rates of single parenthood. Thus, even though the share of children living with a single mother rose for all racial and ethnic groups through the mid-1990s and has remained high since then, school completion and youth arrests for violent crimes have declined significantly, while poverty rates have fluctuated according to economic conditions. Family structure does not drive racial inequity, and racial inequity persists regardless of family structure."
-Amy Traub, Laura Sullivan, Tatjana Meschede and Thomas Shapiro, DEMOS, “The Asset Value of Whiteness: Understanding the Racial Wealth Gap.”
Yep. Overconsumption of fossil fuels is a cause of climate change.
So people who want some justice should just shut up and leave the country.
