If DOMA struck down because DOJ doesn't defend, could Obamacare be next

Little-Acorn

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Interesting.

Some seem to be saying that the Obama administration will refuse to defend the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) in court... and if they do, the court might strike it down by default. Others say that's not so, see below.

Hmmm... if it DOES turn out to be so, then what might happen if/when a Republican President is elected, and another one of the many lawsuits against Obamacare comes to the Supreme Court? Might the Republican President simply order the DOJ not to defend Obamacare? And if DOMA gets struck down, wouldn't Obamacare get struck down as quickly?

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SCOTUS May Throw Out DOMA Cases Due to DOJ Refusal to Defend

SCOTUS May Throw Out DOMA Cases Due to DOJ Refusal to Defend

by Ken Klukowski
27 Mar 2013, 12:32 PM PDT

The Supreme Court’s justices spent a full hour in today’s DOMA case, U.S. v. Windsor, debating whether the case should be in court at all.

In each DOMA lawsuit—including Windsor—the Obama Department of Justice (DOJ) has a responsibility to defend DOMA against a constitutional challenge. But President Obama declared that he believes DOMA is unconstitutional and ordered DOJ not to defend it.

The justices discussed whether this means no federal court has jurisdiction to decide the lawsuit. Article III of the Constitution only gives federal courts jurisdiction to decide a “case or controversy.” As the Supreme Court has repeatedly held, an essential element of this is that the lawsuit must be adversarial, meaning both parties try to win the case by making a good-faith argument to persuade the court to side with them.

When the plaintiffs sued to get DOMA struck down, DOJ made it clear they wanted the plaintiffs to succeed.

DOMA is defended by Paul Clement and lawyers hired by the U.S. House, but they are not the defendants in this case. The Court must decide if the Constitution allows anyone to step into the shoes of the actual defendants.

As Justice Antonin Scalia noted today, when a defendant agrees with a plaintiff, typically a federal court will only enter a consent judgment, making it official that the parties agree to something and will be bound to continue abiding by that agreement. The Court does not have the power to then consider striking down a law—any law.

If that happens here, all the current DOMA lawsuits would be dismissed, and DOMA would remain on the books until Congress repeals it or a new administration tries to defend it in court.
 
Hmmm... if it DOES turn out to be so, then what might happen if/when a Republican President is elected, and another one of the many lawsuits against Obamacare comes to the Supreme Court? Might the Republican President simply order the DOJ not to defend Obamacare? And if DOMA gets struck down, wouldn't Obamacare get struck down as quickly?

Big, big snag:

In order for the Supreme Court to again review, you’d first need to get a lower court to rule that the ACA isn’t Constitutional, in violation of precedent established by the Supreme Court; lower courts are bound to follow precedent, particularly that which is set by the High Court.

Not going to happen.
 
When DOMA is rejected, will bisexuals be able to marry both a woman and a man??? seems only fair...
 
Hmmm... if it DOES turn out to be so, then what might happen if/when a Republican President is elected, and another one of the many lawsuits against Obamacare comes to the Supreme Court? Might the Republican President simply order the DOJ not to defend Obamacare? And if DOMA gets struck down, wouldn't Obamacare get struck down as quickly?

Big, big snag:

In order for the Supreme Court to again review, you’d first need to get a lower court to rule that the ACA isn’t Constitutional, in violation of precedent established by the Supreme Court; lower courts are bound to follow precedent, particularly that which is set by the High Court.

Not going to happen.

The only precedent the Supremes set, was to declare the penalty for not joining Obamacare, to be a tax instead of a penalty.

Lawsuits are in the courts now, objecting to Obamacare's requirement that employers offer insurance that pays for birth control or abortions even if the employer has a religious objection to them. Such suits are unrelated to the USSC case already decided, and could well be found valid.

But, of course, that's not what the thread is about. Nice try at changing the subject.

DOMA might get struck down because Obama ordered the DOJ not to defend it.

When a Republican becomes President, could he also order the DOJ not to defend Obamacare when the myriads of suits against it hit the Supreme Court? And could it be struck down just like DOMA?
 
Amazing how so many people such as yourself have NO CLUE what being bisexual means. :lol:

Ok genius...what does it mean???

A bisexual is a person who can be attracted to men or women. It has NOTHING to do with being attracted to two people at once.


You're welcome.[/QUOTE That was stupid. If straight man can be attracted to two women at once...why is it so hard for a bi to be attracted to a man and a woman at the same time? Their rights must be accommodated!!!
 
When DOMA is rejected, will bisexuals be able to marry both a woman and a man??? seems only fair...

Polygamy is illegal. That's not likely to change.


Yeah, that only pertains to mariages of opposite sex. A bi could argue that all of their needs are not being met merely by a single man, or a single woman, and equality guarantees their right to happiness.

RIGHT???
 
DOMA is probably going to get thrown out because it was unconstitutional from the start.

It clearly violates the "Full Faith and Credit" clause in the constitution.

What amazes me is that it took nearly 20 years to get a viable challenge to it.
 

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