If God is all powerful...

[Taz]

God is demanding that we follow a book or burn forever.

Since your OP simply attacks the concept of God which book would that be?

*****SMILE*****

Any religious book.

Not all religious texts consider hell to be a burning pit and in my case I don't have any specific religious text that I follow.

Seems to me that you're making general statements about God that don't hold true.

*****CHUCKLE*****

Seems to everyone else that you're trying to scapegoat your god because it makes deformed babies and cancer.

 

[Andylusion]

No, that's not how this works.

You are going to burn for your own sins, yourself.

That's on you. Like a wife that chooses to cheat, chooses to destroy her marriage, like a man who chooses to not go to work chooses to be poor and impoverished...... you are sinful and evil, and will pay for your choices yourself.

That's 100%, on you. No one else. Not G-d, not your mother, not society.... just you.

G-d, and his book, are offering you forgiveness for your evil actions. If you accept that, and admit your evil and cruelty, he will forgive you, and offer you freedom from your evil, and salvation in Heaven after this life.

You are making the choice. Just you. You can choose to have G-d in your life, and reap the rewards.... or you choose to not have G-d in your life.... and... whatever you get is whatever you get.

Let me put it another way..... do you think a judges who puts a serial rapist and murderer in prison for life, is a tyrant? Or did the serial rapist and murderer, make their own choice in what happened to them, by choosing to engage in rape and murder?

You..... YOU... are the one making the choice. G-d will not force anything on you. You make the choice about what your eternity looks like.

Actually, there's more proof for re-incarnation than there is for a heaven or hell.

And you can choose to believe that if you wish. But don't say G-d is demanding anything, when you are making all your own choices as to what you believe.

But what god will do if it is real shouldn't depend on whether I believe or not. And even if i don't believe in gravity, it still has an effect on me. Your god doesn't have any effect on me if I don't believe?

Ironically, I pretty much agree with everything you are saying. It's always interesting to me that two people can look at the exact same things, say the same things, and then come to opposite conclusions.

You are correct. What you believe, ultimately will have no effect on the outcome.

A criminal may not believe in justice, may not believe in law enforcement, and may not believe in judgement. But when they drag him off to prison, whether he believes in such things will not matter.

Just like whether you believe in gravity or not, will not matter when you step off the edge of a cliff, and fall.

Whether you believe in life after death, will not matter after you die. If it is real, then you will face it, whether you believe it or not.

Whether you believe in being judged for how you lived your life in that after-life, will not matter once once you die. If it is true that your actions in life will be judged on their merit, you will face that whether you believe in it, or not.

What matters, is not whether you believe.

If you are hooked on Heroin, you can believe that Heroin will ruin your health, or not believe that Heroin will ruin your health. It does not matter. Heroin will ruin your health.

And it's not because you refused to believe the doctors, that the doctor caused the drugs to destroy you.

Just because you don't realize the drugs are killing you, doesn't mean it's the doctors fault, and everything was fine until the doctor warned you that heroin ruins your health.

G-d is warning everyone that your sins are killing you. G-d offers a gift of forgiveness, to those who accept and repent of their evil ways, and will save your very soul for eternity.

But just 'believing' in G-d has no effect. The Devil and his Demons, all 'believe' G-d exists... still going to their eternal punishment for their evil.

"G-d is warning everyone that your sins are killing you. G-d offers a gift of forgiveness, to those who accept and repent of their evil ways, and will save your very soul for eternity." Jesus died on the cross for my sins, that bill is already paid.

"But just 'believing' in G-d has no effect. The Devil and his Demons, all 'believe' G-d exists... still going to their eternal punishment for their evil."

This statement is nonsense, well, unless you can prove it.

James 2:19
"You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder."

 

[Taz]

Actually, there's more proof for re-incarnation than there is for a heaven or hell.

And you can choose to believe that if you wish. But don't say G-d is demanding anything, when you are making all your own choices as to what you believe.

But what god will do if it is real shouldn't depend on whether I believe or not. And even if i don't believe in gravity, it still has an effect on me. Your god doesn't have any effect on me if I don't believe?

Ironically, I pretty much agree with everything you are saying. It's always interesting to me that two people can look at the exact same things, say the same things, and then come to opposite conclusions.

You are correct. What you believe, ultimately will have no effect on the outcome.

A criminal may not believe in justice, may not believe in law enforcement, and may not believe in judgement. But when they drag him off to prison, whether he believes in such things will not matter.

Just like whether you believe in gravity or not, will not matter when you step off the edge of a cliff, and fall.

Whether you believe in life after death, will not matter after you die. If it is real, then you will face it, whether you believe it or not.

Whether you believe in being judged for how you lived your life in that after-life, will not matter once once you die. If it is true that your actions in life will be judged on their merit, you will face that whether you believe in it, or not.

What matters, is not whether you believe.

If you are hooked on Heroin, you can believe that Heroin will ruin your health, or not believe that Heroin will ruin your health. It does not matter. Heroin will ruin your health.

And it's not because you refused to believe the doctors, that the doctor caused the drugs to destroy you.

Just because you don't realize the drugs are killing you, doesn't mean it's the doctors fault, and everything was fine until the doctor warned you that heroin ruins your health.

G-d is warning everyone that your sins are killing you. G-d offers a gift of forgiveness, to those who accept and repent of their evil ways, and will save your very soul for eternity.

But just 'believing' in G-d has no effect. The Devil and his Demons, all 'believe' G-d exists... still going to their eternal punishment for their evil.

"G-d is warning everyone that your sins are killing you. G-d offers a gift of forgiveness, to those who accept and repent of their evil ways, and will save your very soul for eternity." Jesus died on the cross for my sins, that bill is already paid.

"But just 'believing' in G-d has no effect. The Devil and his Demons, all 'believe' G-d exists... still going to their eternal punishment for their evil."

This statement is nonsense, well, unless you can prove it.

James 2:19
"You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder."

So all you have is a quote from a book of fairy tales? Anything from an actual god?

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Because he’s a sick fuck

If he's right, I think BF just proved the "Created in his image" part

 

[Hawkins]

...Why does it makes babies with cancer, or retarded, or deformed, or in pain, or even with all of that together? Is god not capable of a perfect creation? Is it a punishment of some sort?

Why do you have to ask simple questions?

How do you know that an infant baby actually feel painful?

God doesn't usually provide maintenance of a place outside His dwelling realm. Inside His dwelling realm it's a heaven, out of it it's a hell. Ever since Adam was kicked out of Eden, humans are living outside God's realm. Earth is supposed to be a hell like place ever since then. That's why the Noah story. Earth is supposed to be destroyed long time ago.

However God has an unfinished job here, that is to save His sheep. Earth is thus protected at least from Satan's active physical access. God's job however is to save the souls of His sheep, not any physical bodies. Earth is left as it is as long as His sheep won't complain now and especially in future.

Matthew 24:22 (NIV2011)
If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.


Have you heard of Neanderthal genes found in humans? You give deformed babies by several ways, such as marrying close relatives without God's permission and blessing. Interbreed with other species such as the Neanderthals. God doesn't maintain human genomes. His job here is mostly saving souls.

 

[BlackFlag]

Because he’s a sick fuck

If he's right, I think BF just proved the "Created in his image" part

Oh that part of the fairy tale? Nah.

 

[Andylusion]

And you can choose to believe that if you wish. But don't say G-d is demanding anything, when you are making all your own choices as to what you believe.

But what god will do if it is real shouldn't depend on whether I believe or not. And even if i don't believe in gravity, it still has an effect on me. Your god doesn't have any effect on me if I don't believe?

Ironically, I pretty much agree with everything you are saying. It's always interesting to me that two people can look at the exact same things, say the same things, and then come to opposite conclusions.

You are correct. What you believe, ultimately will have no effect on the outcome.

A criminal may not believe in justice, may not believe in law enforcement, and may not believe in judgement. But when they drag him off to prison, whether he believes in such things will not matter.

Just like whether you believe in gravity or not, will not matter when you step off the edge of a cliff, and fall.

Whether you believe in life after death, will not matter after you die. If it is real, then you will face it, whether you believe it or not.

Whether you believe in being judged for how you lived your life in that after-life, will not matter once once you die. If it is true that your actions in life will be judged on their merit, you will face that whether you believe in it, or not.

What matters, is not whether you believe.

If you are hooked on Heroin, you can believe that Heroin will ruin your health, or not believe that Heroin will ruin your health. It does not matter. Heroin will ruin your health.

And it's not because you refused to believe the doctors, that the doctor caused the drugs to destroy you.

Just because you don't realize the drugs are killing you, doesn't mean it's the doctors fault, and everything was fine until the doctor warned you that heroin ruins your health.

G-d is warning everyone that your sins are killing you. G-d offers a gift of forgiveness, to those who accept and repent of their evil ways, and will save your very soul for eternity.

But just 'believing' in G-d has no effect. The Devil and his Demons, all 'believe' G-d exists... still going to their eternal punishment for their evil.

"G-d is warning everyone that your sins are killing you. G-d offers a gift of forgiveness, to those who accept and repent of their evil ways, and will save your very soul for eternity." Jesus died on the cross for my sins, that bill is already paid.

"But just 'believing' in G-d has no effect. The Devil and his Demons, all 'believe' G-d exists... still going to their eternal punishment for their evil."

This statement is nonsense, well, unless you can prove it.

James 2:19
"You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder."

So all you have is a quote from a book of fairy tales? Anything from an actual god?

Provide scientific empirical proof they are fairy tales?

 

[hobelim]

But what god will do if it is real shouldn't depend on whether I believe or not. And even if i don't believe in gravity, it still has an effect on me. Your god doesn't have any effect on me if I don't believe?

Ironically, I pretty much agree with everything you are saying. It's always interesting to me that two people can look at the exact same things, say the same things, and then come to opposite conclusions.

You are correct. What you believe, ultimately will have no effect on the outcome.

A criminal may not believe in justice, may not believe in law enforcement, and may not believe in judgement. But when they drag him off to prison, whether he believes in such things will not matter.

Just like whether you believe in gravity or not, will not matter when you step off the edge of a cliff, and fall.

Whether you believe in life after death, will not matter after you die. If it is real, then you will face it, whether you believe it or not.

Whether you believe in being judged for how you lived your life in that after-life, will not matter once once you die. If it is true that your actions in life will be judged on their merit, you will face that whether you believe in it, or not.

What matters, is not whether you believe.

If you are hooked on Heroin, you can believe that Heroin will ruin your health, or not believe that Heroin will ruin your health. It does not matter. Heroin will ruin your health.

And it's not because you refused to believe the doctors, that the doctor caused the drugs to destroy you.

Just because you don't realize the drugs are killing you, doesn't mean it's the doctors fault, and everything was fine until the doctor warned you that heroin ruins your health.

G-d is warning everyone that your sins are killing you. G-d offers a gift of forgiveness, to those who accept and repent of their evil ways, and will save your very soul for eternity.

But just 'believing' in G-d has no effect. The Devil and his Demons, all 'believe' G-d exists... still going to their eternal punishment for their evil.

"G-d is warning everyone that your sins are killing you. G-d offers a gift of forgiveness, to those who accept and repent of their evil ways, and will save your very soul for eternity." Jesus died on the cross for my sins, that bill is already paid.

"But just 'believing' in G-d has no effect. The Devil and his Demons, all 'believe' G-d exists... still going to their eternal punishment for their evil."

This statement is nonsense, well, unless you can prove it.

James 2:19
"You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder."

So all you have is a quote from a book of fairy tales? Anything from an actual god?

Provide scientific empirical proof they are fairy tales?

lol.... There are talking serpents in the story and scientific empirical proof that serpents never spoke Hebrew

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

God is all powerful in the sense that he can do all that is possible. However, there are things that are eternally impossible that not even God can do. A being who can do all that is possible is said to be all powerful. A few examples of things that are eternally impossible are:

• God cannot both exist and not exist.
• God cannot create from nothing that which self exists.
• God cannot be an all good being and at the same time be an all evil being.

Before man/woman was formed with a spirit body and a physical body, he/she self existed as intelligence.

Doctrine and Covenants 93:29
29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.

The very core of mankind is intelligence. It is self existent and was not created or made. Because of the self existent nature of intelligence, God could not create that part of mankind. The intelligence of mankind is not in a perfect state. Since God could create the intelligence of mankind, He was left to bring about the perfection of mankind in another way. Mankind would have to learn to choose perfection through a process of learning and experiencing many things. To become a perfect being like God, man would need to have many of the same attributes as God. God is a being of free will. Nobody tells God what to do. He does good continually of his own choosing. To become like God, man would of necessity need to have free will. You can't become like God by force. You have to choose to be like him and love it. God has commanded us:

Matthew 5:48
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

In this statement, God recognizes that we are imperfect beings but commands us to be perfect, even as our Father in heaven is perfect. God would not give us a commandment that would be impossible for us to fulfill. It may take longer that this life time to accomplish such a high and lofty goal, but it is possible. Part of the learning and experiences that mankind must go through to gain knowledge and understanding comes if the form of hardship and adversity. You might say that this life is a school of hard knocks. But if we make the right choices and learn to choose good over evil, we will be on the path to fulfilling his commandment. Some will fail to grasp the importance of being a good being. They will fall short of being able to abide by the celestial law of the kingdom of heaven. Thus there will be other places provided by God for them to go. God's desire is that we all would choose good. But given free will, God does not interfere in our choices unless the choices we make would interfere with the overall plan he has set. For example, if God has chosen an individual that he wants to lead in his kingdom on earth, he may thwart the desires of any who desire to harm or kill that individual.

Some of the hardships of this life might be that we suffer the loss of children who get a disease and die. This may be difficult to bear now, but may be for our eternal progression in the eternity to come. It may be that some of God's spirits are so advanced that they do not need the experiences of this life but only need to receive a body. We don't have all the answers, but little children who die before the age of accountability are alive in Christ and stand to inherit eternal glory.

Appeal to authority fallacy.

 

[CMike]

...Why does it makes babies with cancer, or retarded, or deformed, or in pain, or even with all of that together? Is god not capable of a perfect creation? Is it a punishment of some sort?

We don't know what GDs plan is.

So you don't know. Got it.

I don't know.

 

[Taz]

...Why does it makes babies with cancer, or retarded, or deformed, or in pain, or even with all of that together? Is god not capable of a perfect creation? Is it a punishment of some sort?

Why do you have to ask simple questions?

How do you know that an infant baby actually feel painful?

God doesn't usually provide maintenance of a place outside His dwelling realm. Inside His dwelling realm it's a heaven, out of it it's a hell. Ever since Adam was kicked out of Eden, humans are living outside God's realm. Earth is supposed to be a hell like place ever since then. That's why the Noah story. Earth is supposed to be destroyed long time ago.

However God has an unfinished job here, that is to save His sheep. Earth is thus protected at least from Satan's active physical access. God's job however is to save the souls of His sheep, not any physical bodies. Earth is left as it is as long as His sheep won't complain now and especially in future.

Matthew 24:22 (NIV2011)
If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.


Have you heard of Neanderthal genes found in humans? You give deformed babies by several ways, such as marrying close relatives without God's permission and blessing. Interbreed with other species such as the Neanderthals. God doesn't maintain human genomes. His job here is mostly saving souls.

Man, your god is lame. So your god didn't create everything? If so, why cancer? Why retarded babies? You quote a book but is the book your god? Or was it written by goat herders?

 

[Taz]

Ironically, I pretty much agree with everything you are saying. It's always interesting to me that two people can look at the exact same things, say the same things, and then come to opposite conclusions.

You are correct. What you believe, ultimately will have no effect on the outcome.

A criminal may not believe in justice, may not believe in law enforcement, and may not believe in judgement. But when they drag him off to prison, whether he believes in such things will not matter.

Just like whether you believe in gravity or not, will not matter when you step off the edge of a cliff, and fall.

Whether you believe in life after death, will not matter after you die. If it is real, then you will face it, whether you believe it or not.

Whether you believe in being judged for how you lived your life in that after-life, will not matter once once you die. If it is true that your actions in life will be judged on their merit, you will face that whether you believe in it, or not.

What matters, is not whether you believe.

If you are hooked on Heroin, you can believe that Heroin will ruin your health, or not believe that Heroin will ruin your health. It does not matter. Heroin will ruin your health.

And it's not because you refused to believe the doctors, that the doctor caused the drugs to destroy you.

Just because you don't realize the drugs are killing you, doesn't mean it's the doctors fault, and everything was fine until the doctor warned you that heroin ruins your health.

G-d is warning everyone that your sins are killing you. G-d offers a gift of forgiveness, to those who accept and repent of their evil ways, and will save your very soul for eternity.

But just 'believing' in G-d has no effect. The Devil and his Demons, all 'believe' G-d exists... still going to their eternal punishment for their evil.

"G-d is warning everyone that your sins are killing you. G-d offers a gift of forgiveness, to those who accept and repent of their evil ways, and will save your very soul for eternity." Jesus died on the cross for my sins, that bill is already paid.

"But just 'believing' in G-d has no effect. The Devil and his Demons, all 'believe' G-d exists... still going to their eternal punishment for their evil."

This statement is nonsense, well, unless you can prove it.

James 2:19
"You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder."

So all you have is a quote from a book of fairy tales? Anything from an actual god?

Provide scientific empirical proof they are fairy tales?

lol.... There are talking serpents in the story and scientific empirical proof that serpents never spoke Hebrew

So why are jews called the Snake People?

 

[Taz]

But what god will do if it is real shouldn't depend on whether I believe or not. And even if i don't believe in gravity, it still has an effect on me. Your god doesn't have any effect on me if I don't believe?

Ironically, I pretty much agree with everything you are saying. It's always interesting to me that two people can look at the exact same things, say the same things, and then come to opposite conclusions.

You are correct. What you believe, ultimately will have no effect on the outcome.

A criminal may not believe in justice, may not believe in law enforcement, and may not believe in judgement. But when they drag him off to prison, whether he believes in such things will not matter.

Just like whether you believe in gravity or not, will not matter when you step off the edge of a cliff, and fall.

Whether you believe in life after death, will not matter after you die. If it is real, then you will face it, whether you believe it or not.

Whether you believe in being judged for how you lived your life in that after-life, will not matter once once you die. If it is true that your actions in life will be judged on their merit, you will face that whether you believe in it, or not.

What matters, is not whether you believe.

If you are hooked on Heroin, you can believe that Heroin will ruin your health, or not believe that Heroin will ruin your health. It does not matter. Heroin will ruin your health.

And it's not because you refused to believe the doctors, that the doctor caused the drugs to destroy you.

Just because you don't realize the drugs are killing you, doesn't mean it's the doctors fault, and everything was fine until the doctor warned you that heroin ruins your health.

G-d is warning everyone that your sins are killing you. G-d offers a gift of forgiveness, to those who accept and repent of their evil ways, and will save your very soul for eternity.

But just 'believing' in G-d has no effect. The Devil and his Demons, all 'believe' G-d exists... still going to their eternal punishment for their evil.

"G-d is warning everyone that your sins are killing you. G-d offers a gift of forgiveness, to those who accept and repent of their evil ways, and will save your very soul for eternity." Jesus died on the cross for my sins, that bill is already paid.

"But just 'believing' in G-d has no effect. The Devil and his Demons, all 'believe' G-d exists... still going to their eternal punishment for their evil."

This statement is nonsense, well, unless you can prove it.

James 2:19
"You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder."

So all you have is a quote from a book of fairy tales? Anything from an actual god?

Provide scientific empirical proof they are fairy tales?

Science doesn't have a way of proving fairy tales. I'd ask you to prove how a woman was made from a man's rib.

 

[Taz]

...Why does it makes babies with cancer, or retarded, or deformed, or in pain, or even with all of that together? Is god not capable of a perfect creation? Is it a punishment of some sort?

We don't know what GDs plan is.

So you don't know. Got it.

I don't know.

But you follow him anyways.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Seems to everyone else that you're trying to scapegoat your god because it makes deformed babies and cancer.

Who's everyone else?

My God is responsible for all the abstract constructs that people consider good and evil.

Hell is where my God doesn't exist.

Learning to live with God, and the... challenges set forth by God, is humankind's responsibility.

While learning to live with the rules set down by humankind is humankind's own responsibility.

*****SMILE*****

 

[Andylusion]

Ironically, I pretty much agree with everything you are saying. It's always interesting to me that two people can look at the exact same things, say the same things, and then come to opposite conclusions.

You are correct. What you believe, ultimately will have no effect on the outcome.

A criminal may not believe in justice, may not believe in law enforcement, and may not believe in judgement. But when they drag him off to prison, whether he believes in such things will not matter.

Just like whether you believe in gravity or not, will not matter when you step off the edge of a cliff, and fall.

Whether you believe in life after death, will not matter after you die. If it is real, then you will face it, whether you believe it or not.

Whether you believe in being judged for how you lived your life in that after-life, will not matter once once you die. If it is true that your actions in life will be judged on their merit, you will face that whether you believe in it, or not.

What matters, is not whether you believe.

If you are hooked on Heroin, you can believe that Heroin will ruin your health, or not believe that Heroin will ruin your health. It does not matter. Heroin will ruin your health.

And it's not because you refused to believe the doctors, that the doctor caused the drugs to destroy you.

Just because you don't realize the drugs are killing you, doesn't mean it's the doctors fault, and everything was fine until the doctor warned you that heroin ruins your health.

G-d is warning everyone that your sins are killing you. G-d offers a gift of forgiveness, to those who accept and repent of their evil ways, and will save your very soul for eternity.

But just 'believing' in G-d has no effect. The Devil and his Demons, all 'believe' G-d exists... still going to their eternal punishment for their evil.

"G-d is warning everyone that your sins are killing you. G-d offers a gift of forgiveness, to those who accept and repent of their evil ways, and will save your very soul for eternity." Jesus died on the cross for my sins, that bill is already paid.

"But just 'believing' in G-d has no effect. The Devil and his Demons, all 'believe' G-d exists... still going to their eternal punishment for their evil."

This statement is nonsense, well, unless you can prove it.

James 2:19
"You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder."

So all you have is a quote from a book of fairy tales? Anything from an actual god?

Provide scientific empirical proof they are fairy tales?

lol.... There are talking serpents in the story and scientific empirical proof that serpents never spoke Hebrew

Really. You can scientifically prove something never happened? Now that is logically speaking, a very impressive statement. Please post this proof.

 

[Andylusion]

Ironically, I pretty much agree with everything you are saying. It's always interesting to me that two people can look at the exact same things, say the same things, and then come to opposite conclusions.

You are correct. What you believe, ultimately will have no effect on the outcome.

A criminal may not believe in justice, may not believe in law enforcement, and may not believe in judgement. But when they drag him off to prison, whether he believes in such things will not matter.

Just like whether you believe in gravity or not, will not matter when you step off the edge of a cliff, and fall.

Whether you believe in life after death, will not matter after you die. If it is real, then you will face it, whether you believe it or not.

Whether you believe in being judged for how you lived your life in that after-life, will not matter once once you die. If it is true that your actions in life will be judged on their merit, you will face that whether you believe in it, or not.

What matters, is not whether you believe.

If you are hooked on Heroin, you can believe that Heroin will ruin your health, or not believe that Heroin will ruin your health. It does not matter. Heroin will ruin your health.

And it's not because you refused to believe the doctors, that the doctor caused the drugs to destroy you.

Just because you don't realize the drugs are killing you, doesn't mean it's the doctors fault, and everything was fine until the doctor warned you that heroin ruins your health.

G-d is warning everyone that your sins are killing you. G-d offers a gift of forgiveness, to those who accept and repent of their evil ways, and will save your very soul for eternity.

But just 'believing' in G-d has no effect. The Devil and his Demons, all 'believe' G-d exists... still going to their eternal punishment for their evil.

"G-d is warning everyone that your sins are killing you. G-d offers a gift of forgiveness, to those who accept and repent of their evil ways, and will save your very soul for eternity." Jesus died on the cross for my sins, that bill is already paid.

"But just 'believing' in G-d has no effect. The Devil and his Demons, all 'believe' G-d exists... still going to their eternal punishment for their evil."

This statement is nonsense, well, unless you can prove it.

James 2:19
"You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder."

So all you have is a quote from a book of fairy tales? Anything from an actual god?

Provide scientific empirical proof they are fairy tales?

Science doesn't have a way of proving fairy tales. I'd ask you to prove how a woman was made from a man's rib.

You are making my point. The previous poster was making a claim, that he suggested (or implied) was provable using science.

That is not possible. We're talking about a G-d, that as Christians believe, exists outside the realm of this Universe, because he created this Universe and the laws that govern it.

So when you try and tell me such and such is impossible.... yeah, for a human or anything bound to the laws of this Universe. G-d by definition, is not bound by the laws of this Universe.

So you can't 'disprove' G-d, or any miracles he may have done, using science, the laws of which he is not bound to.

 

[Andylusion]

G-d is warning everyone that your sins are killing you. G-d offers a gift of forgiveness, to those who accept and repent of their evil ways, and will save your very soul for eternity.

But just 'believing' in G-d has no effect. The Devil and his Demons, all 'believe' G-d exists... still going to their eternal punishment for their evil.

Evil is a deliberate thing that requires a conscious decision to reject what is good. A person cannot reject the truth and embrace evil unless the distinction between good and evil is revealed to them.

When Jesus first appeared he said that if he had not come and spoken to them they would not be guilty of sin.

His claim was that they were following the law in the wrong way but according to Jesus it was not a sin until he taught them what the law of God was actually about and they consciously rejected the right way to follow the law and consequently God himself who made the truth known through Jesus.


In the same way, how can anyone be guilty of sin unless the right way to understand the teachings of the law is revealed to them?


Surely you don't base your ideas about what is sinful or not on what Jesus clearly identified as the wrong way to interpret and follow the law, do you?

Yeah, there is truth in what you say. That is somewhat correct.

However, you also need remember Romans 2:14

"Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law."

This is actually talking about this exact topic. People who don't have the law.

So you are right, in that you are saying if someone simply does not know that they shouldn't do some action. G-d will not hold them accountable for a rule they never knew existed, or should be followed.

However, G-d does hold people accountable for what they do themselves, according to their own sense of right and wrong.

If a person hates being lied to, hates lying, and says people shouldn't lie to them...... and then they lie to others, G-d will hold them accountable to their own standard.

I picked that example on purpose, because I happen to know of a preacher who was talking to a agnostic/libertarian man. This man told the preacher that he didn't believe in any rules, and how can G-d judge him according to rules he doesn't know or believe in.

The preacher asked what rules he believed in.
"Do no harm"
Preacher "is lying harm?"
"Yes"
Preacher "When your wife asked you what you believed when you planned to marry, did you tell her?" (The preacher knew his wife was a Christian)

"No."
Preacher "So you couldn't even keep your own rule to yourself, to do no harm"

This is what that verse is referring to. Even those who know nothing of G-d, or G-d's laws, still are a law to themselves, that G-d will judge them on.

 

[hobelim]

"G-d is warning everyone that your sins are killing you. G-d offers a gift of forgiveness, to those who accept and repent of their evil ways, and will save your very soul for eternity." Jesus died on the cross for my sins, that bill is already paid.

"But just 'believing' in G-d has no effect. The Devil and his Demons, all 'believe' G-d exists... still going to their eternal punishment for their evil."

This statement is nonsense, well, unless you can prove it.

James 2:19
"You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder."

So all you have is a quote from a book of fairy tales? Anything from an actual god?

Provide scientific empirical proof they are fairy tales?

lol.... There are talking serpents in the story and scientific empirical proof that serpents never spoke Hebrew

So why are jews called the Snake People?

IDK, I never heard that but if you show me someone who says something like that and I'll show you an asshole.

 

[hobelim]

"G-d is warning everyone that your sins are killing you. G-d offers a gift of forgiveness, to those who accept and repent of their evil ways, and will save your very soul for eternity." Jesus died on the cross for my sins, that bill is already paid.

"But just 'believing' in G-d has no effect. The Devil and his Demons, all 'believe' G-d exists... still going to their eternal punishment for their evil."

This statement is nonsense, well, unless you can prove it.

James 2:19
"You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder."

So all you have is a quote from a book of fairy tales? Anything from an actual god?

Provide scientific empirical proof they are fairy tales?

lol.... There are talking serpents in the story and scientific empirical proof that serpents never spoke Hebrew

Really. You can scientifically prove something never happened? Now that is logically speaking, a very impressive statement. Please post this proof.

Well,you might not know this but serpents cannot speak and never spoke, (except for the human sort).

Most snakes do not have vocal chords, The snake who has one, can only make hissing sounds....

Ask any scientist.