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The number of illegal immigrants have dropped by a million in 8 years which makes the migration rate into the US about -12,000/yr. At this rate, America will be facing a major shortage in agricultural workers and that's without Trump's massive deportation plans. If Trump's wall ever get's built we may be using it to keep migrant workers in the US.Trump has stated the wall would cost between 8 to 10 Billion.........Higher than the site posted.......Without the border agents no wall can secure the border............so he has proposed tripling the border agents..........that over time will be a large commitment..........but should it secure the border the savings to this country would be enormous.
Immigration Reform
Maybe..........might be because our jobs are dying and moving to Mexico..................The number of illegal immigrants have dropped by a million in 8 years which makes the migration rate into the US about -12,000/yr. At this rate, America will be facing a major shortage in agricultural workers and that's without Trump's massive deportation plans. If Trump's wall ever get's built we may be using it to keep migrant workers in the US.Trump has stated the wall would cost between 8 to 10 Billion.........Higher than the site posted.......Without the border agents no wall can secure the border............so he has proposed tripling the border agents..........that over time will be a large commitment..........but should it secure the border the savings to this country would be enormous.
Immigration Reform
I'm sorry you're incapable of intelligent discussion and therefore a waste of time.A wall is a lot more doable than Obamacare ever had a chance of being...oh bullshit. Walls do work. Lets put mexicans to work building it. Give them a piece of land on the border and a rifle and let them build and defend it themselves. NOBODY will get through.That would make more sense if something like that worked. As is, it won't, unless you are actually volunteering to quit your job, move to Texas and man the wall yourself. Oh, and by the way, also volunteering hundreds of thousands of other Americans to do the same.
Again, the cost does not justify it. Just building a wall won't really stop anything. If you want to actually make the border secure than that would cost more resources than any reasonable American is willing to give up. The only ACTUAL solution is to look to change our policies regarding both immigration and drug control.
Talking tough behind your key board........ but can you be more realistic? At least.
I hope you realize that a Wall and Obamacare is totally different. Can you be more realistic? #2
Says the person that stated that the wall is more doable than Obamacare when we have Obamacare, but don't have a wall built by Mexicans along our Southern border. #idiotI'm sorry you're incapable of intelligent discussion and therefore a waste of time.A wall is a lot more doable than Obamacare ever had a chance of being...oh bullshit. Walls do work. Lets put mexicans to work building it. Give them a piece of land on the border and a rifle and let them build and defend it themselves. NOBODY will get through.
Talking tough behind your key board........ but can you be more realistic? At least.
I hope you realize that a Wall and Obamacare is totally different. Can you be more realistic? #2
What utter horseshit, lol. We call those "ass numbers" because they smell like your ass, which is where you pulled them from.The number of illegal immigrants have dropped by a million in 8 years which makes the migration rate into the US about -12,000/yr. At this rate, America will be facing a major shortage in agricultural workers and that's without Trump's massive deportation plans. If Trump's wall ever get's built we may be using it to keep migrant workers in the US.Trump has stated the wall would cost between 8 to 10 Billion.........Higher than the site posted.......Without the border agents no wall can secure the border............so he has proposed tripling the border agents..........that over time will be a large commitment..........but should it secure the border the savings to this country would be enormous.
Immigration Reform
The agricultural workers for the most part aren't illegal anyway. They get work permits.Maybe..........might be because our jobs are dying and moving to Mexico..................The number of illegal immigrants have dropped by a million in 8 years which makes the migration rate into the US about -12,000/yr. At this rate, America will be facing a major shortage in agricultural workers and that's without Trump's massive deportation plans. If Trump's wall ever get's built we may be using it to keep migrant workers in the US.Trump has stated the wall would cost between 8 to 10 Billion.........Higher than the site posted.......Without the border agents no wall can secure the border............so he has proposed tripling the border agents..........that over time will be a large commitment..........but should it secure the border the savings to this country would be enormous.
Immigration Reform
Doesn't matter.....I want the border secure and so do most Americans.........to the farming and agriculture issue.............go to temp agencies south of the border and sponsorship by the farmers......in a new law for that problem.................
No more skirting the laws of this country.
Yawn..........670 miles have been built...........the 40 to 50 foot walls are rhetoric...........it will all come down to cost...........There is no way to estimate the cost because Trump has said his great wall will stretch the Mexican boarder, nearly 2000 miles but he has also said it would be 1,000 miles. He refers to it as as a 50 foot wall. I suppose he means height not length. He has also said it will be 35 to 50 feet high. Good luck with any estimate.-------------------------------------- B.S. , my estimate says about 10 - 11 billion , you seem to think that if you post something then it is automatically true . No matter though , if it were to cost 25 billion that's ok with me Charwin . Build the wall , Go Trump !!------------------------------------------------- BS Charwin , of course any crossing illegal is reason for the wall and wall breachers will need to be hunted down and destroyed Charwin !!
The estimate to build the wall is between 15 to 25 billions. Excluding maintenance....... So if 300 illegals get thru our border each year. Is that a good justification to build the wall? People like you, Bucs and other Trump sympathizers the answer is YES.......
Then, how about the thousands and thousands of tourist that violates their visas each year? How about the H1 and H2 people that violates their visas?
The 10 billions estimate you mentioned came from CNN video. I know you forgot something.
Did they mentioned........... Labor, heavy equipments, pave road how to get to those borders, pave road along the border walls, purchase land from private owners, housings for the construction workers, facilities ( at least 300 ) where to make the precast cement wall, maintenance? Did they include those on their estimates? The answer is no, no, no, no, no and no.
BTW...... Here is the estimates per mile (2009) in building those roads. My SWAG minimum 2,500 miles.
Of course this is totally irrelevant. Between dealing with Mexico, battles with congress, lawsuits from environmental groups, and rebellion in his own party when he starts stealing land from hundreds of ranchers and farmers, he'll be out of office before the first brick is laid on his great wall. All this assumes, Americans would be stupid enough to elect him.
We could put in Security Chain link Fencing double layer for about 2 Billion in costs.........then put in outposts for the increased border agents..........put up lookout towers at strategic points and secure the border........will some slip through.....of course.......but by far fewer numbers..........
The only thing stopping us from securing our border is the will to do so........
It's not a few..........that is just the propaganda machine at work.............Yawn..........670 miles have been built...........the 40 to 50 foot walls are rhetoric...........it will all come down to cost...........There is no way to estimate the cost because Trump has said his great wall will stretch the Mexican boarder, nearly 2000 miles but he has also said it would be 1,000 miles. He refers to it as as a 50 foot wall. I suppose he means height not length. He has also said it will be 35 to 50 feet high. Good luck with any estimate.-------------------------------------- B.S. , my estimate says about 10 - 11 billion , you seem to think that if you post something then it is automatically true . No matter though , if it were to cost 25 billion that's ok with me Charwin . Build the wall , Go Trump !!The estimate to build the wall is between 15 to 25 billions. Excluding maintenance....... So if 300 illegals get thru our border each year. Is that a good justification to build the wall? People like you, Bucs and other Trump sympathizers the answer is YES.......
Then, how about the thousands and thousands of tourist that violates their visas each year? How about the H1 and H2 people that violates their visas?
The 10 billions estimate you mentioned came from CNN video. I know you forgot something.
Did they mentioned........... Labor, heavy equipments, pave road how to get to those borders, pave road along the border walls, purchase land from private owners, housings for the construction workers, facilities ( at least 300 ) where to make the precast cement wall, maintenance? Did they include those on their estimates? The answer is no, no, no, no, no and no.
BTW...... Here is the estimates per mile (2009) in building those roads. My SWAG minimum 2,500 miles.
Of course this is totally irrelevant. Between dealing with Mexico, battles with congress, lawsuits from environmental groups, and rebellion in his own party when he starts stealing land from hundreds of ranchers and farmers, he'll be out of office before the first brick is laid on his great wall. All this assumes, Americans would be stupid enough to elect him.
We could put in Security Chain link Fencing double layer for about 2 Billion in costs.........then put in outposts for the increased border agents..........put up lookout towers at strategic points and secure the border........will some slip through.....of course.......but by far fewer numbers..........
The only thing stopping us from securing our border is the will to do so........
It's fewer and fewer getting through now....... So what is your point?
that's speculation on Trumps ability to get things done Flopper , my only issue in this thread is whether the wall can be built . --- What it would take to build Trump's border wall - CNN Video --- certainly looks reasonable to me Flopper !!
. What a liar, lol.Yawn..........670 miles have been built...........the 40 to 50 foot walls are rhetoric...........it will all come down to cost...........There is no way to estimate the cost because Trump has said his great wall will stretch the Mexican boarder, nearly 2000 miles but he has also said it would be 1,000 miles. He refers to it as as a 50 foot wall. I suppose he means height not length. He has also said it will be 35 to 50 feet high. Good luck with any estimate.-------------------------------------- B.S. , my estimate says about 10 - 11 billion , you seem to think that if you post something then it is automatically true . No matter though , if it were to cost 25 billion that's ok with me Charwin . Build the wall , Go Trump !!The estimate to build the wall is between 15 to 25 billions. Excluding maintenance....... So if 300 illegals get thru our border each year. Is that a good justification to build the wall? People like you, Bucs and other Trump sympathizers the answer is YES.......
Then, how about the thousands and thousands of tourist that violates their visas each year? How about the H1 and H2 people that violates their visas?
The 10 billions estimate you mentioned came from CNN video. I know you forgot something.
Did they mentioned........... Labor, heavy equipments, pave road how to get to those borders, pave road along the border walls, purchase land from private owners, housings for the construction workers, facilities ( at least 300 ) where to make the precast cement wall, maintenance? Did they include those on their estimates? The answer is no, no, no, no, no and no.
BTW...... Here is the estimates per mile (2009) in building those roads. My SWAG minimum 2,500 miles.
Of course this is totally irrelevant. Between dealing with Mexico, battles with congress, lawsuits from environmental groups, and rebellion in his own party when he starts stealing land from hundreds of ranchers and farmers, he'll be out of office before the first brick is laid on his great wall. All this assumes, Americans would be stupid enough to elect him.
We could put in Security Chain link Fencing double layer for about 2 Billion in costs.........then put in outposts for the increased border agents..........put up lookout towers at strategic points and secure the border........will some slip through.....of course.......but by far fewer numbers..........
The only thing stopping us from securing our border is the will to do so........
It's fewer and fewer getting through now....... So what is your point?
. What a liar, lol.Yawn..........670 miles have been built...........the 40 to 50 foot walls are rhetoric...........it will all come down to cost...........There is no way to estimate the cost because Trump has said his great wall will stretch the Mexican boarder, nearly 2000 miles but he has also said it would be 1,000 miles. He refers to it as as a 50 foot wall. I suppose he means height not length. He has also said it will be 35 to 50 feet high. Good luck with any estimate.-------------------------------------- B.S. , my estimate says about 10 - 11 billion , you seem to think that if you post something then it is automatically true . No matter though , if it were to cost 25 billion that's ok with me Charwin . Build the wall , Go Trump !!
The 10 billions estimate you mentioned came from CNN video. I know you forgot something.
Did they mentioned........... Labor, heavy equipments, pave road how to get to those borders, pave road along the border walls, purchase land from private owners, housings for the construction workers, facilities ( at least 300 ) where to make the precast cement wall, maintenance? Did they include those on their estimates? The answer is no, no, no, no, no and no.
BTW...... Here is the estimates per mile (2009) in building those roads. My SWAG minimum 2,500 miles.
Of course this is totally irrelevant. Between dealing with Mexico, battles with congress, lawsuits from environmental groups, and rebellion in his own party when he starts stealing land from hundreds of ranchers and farmers, he'll be out of office before the first brick is laid on his great wall. All this assumes, Americans would be stupid enough to elect him.
We could put in Security Chain link Fencing double layer for about 2 Billion in costs.........then put in outposts for the increased border agents..........put up lookout towers at strategic points and secure the border........will some slip through.....of course.......but by far fewer numbers..........
The only thing stopping us from securing our border is the will to do so........
It's fewer and fewer getting through now....... So what is your point?
You're a liar.. What a liar, lol.Yawn..........670 miles have been built...........the 40 to 50 foot walls are rhetoric...........it will all come down to cost...........There is no way to estimate the cost because Trump has said his great wall will stretch the Mexican boarder, nearly 2000 miles but he has also said it would be 1,000 miles. He refers to it as as a 50 foot wall. I suppose he means height not length. He has also said it will be 35 to 50 feet high. Good luck with any estimate.The 10 billions estimate you mentioned came from CNN video. I know you forgot something.
Did they mentioned........... Labor, heavy equipments, pave road how to get to those borders, pave road along the border walls, purchase land from private owners, housings for the construction workers, facilities ( at least 300 ) where to make the precast cement wall, maintenance? Did they include those on their estimates? The answer is no, no, no, no, no and no.
BTW...... Here is the estimates per mile (2009) in building those roads. My SWAG minimum 2,500 miles.
Of course this is totally irrelevant. Between dealing with Mexico, battles with congress, lawsuits from environmental groups, and rebellion in his own party when he starts stealing land from hundreds of ranchers and farmers, he'll be out of office before the first brick is laid on his great wall. All this assumes, Americans would be stupid enough to elect him.
We could put in Security Chain link Fencing double layer for about 2 Billion in costs.........then put in outposts for the increased border agents..........put up lookout towers at strategic points and secure the border........will some slip through.....of course.......but by far fewer numbers..........
The only thing stopping us from securing our border is the will to do so........
It's fewer and fewer getting through now....... So what is your point?
You are a waste of my time.....
----------------------------------- yep , correct Kosher Girl , Charwin is full of --it / FOS !!You're a liar.. What a liar, lol.Yawn..........670 miles have been built...........the 40 to 50 foot walls are rhetoric...........it will all come down to cost...........There is no way to estimate the cost because Trump has said his great wall will stretch the Mexican boarder, nearly 2000 miles but he has also said it would be 1,000 miles. He refers to it as as a 50 foot wall. I suppose he means height not length. He has also said it will be 35 to 50 feet high. Good luck with any estimate.
Of course this is totally irrelevant. Between dealing with Mexico, battles with congress, lawsuits from environmental groups, and rebellion in his own party when he starts stealing land from hundreds of ranchers and farmers, he'll be out of office before the first brick is laid on his great wall. All this assumes, Americans would be stupid enough to elect him.
We could put in Security Chain link Fencing double layer for about 2 Billion in costs.........then put in outposts for the increased border agents..........put up lookout towers at strategic points and secure the border........will some slip through.....of course.......but by far fewer numbers..........
The only thing stopping us from securing our border is the will to do so........
It's fewer and fewer getting through now....... So what is your point?
You are a waste of my time.....
He certainly is. As are all the disgusting traitors who approve of the persecution of minorities.----------------------------------- yep , correct Kosher Girl , Charwin is full of --it / FOS !!You're a liar.. What a liar, lol.Yawn..........670 miles have been built...........the 40 to 50 foot walls are rhetoric...........it will all come down to cost...........
We could put in Security Chain link Fencing double layer for about 2 Billion in costs.........then put in outposts for the increased border agents..........put up lookout towers at strategic points and secure the border........will some slip through.....of course.......but by far fewer numbers..........
The only thing stopping us from securing our border is the will to do so........
It's fewer and fewer getting through now....... So what is your point?
You are a waste of my time.....
------------------------------------ as I already said , you are FOS Charwin , besides that I don't care about the cost , the wall is a worthy project to spend money on .that's speculation on Trumps ability to get things done Flopper , my only issue in this thread is whether the wall can be built . --- What it would take to build Trump's border wall - CNN Video --- certainly looks reasonable to me Flopper !!
Pismoe....... As I previously posted #183 the CNN estimates are way off and incomplete. Stay with the class Pismoe.
We can take the money out of the food stamps and planned parenthood coffers. and------------------------------------ as I already said , you are FOS Charwin , besides that I don't care about the cost , the wall is a worthy project to spend money on .that's speculation on Trumps ability to get things done Flopper , my only issue in this thread is whether the wall can be built . --- What it would take to build Trump's border wall - CNN Video --- certainly looks reasonable to me Flopper !!
Pismoe....... As I previously posted #183 the CNN estimates are way off and incomplete. Stay with the class Pismoe.
that's speculation on Trumps ability to get things done Flopper , my only issue in this thread is whether the wall can be built . --- What it would take to build Trump's border wall - CNN Video --- certainly looks reasonable to me Flopper !!
Pogo is a dishonest, hypocritical shill as well.and I TROT it out again despite your proclamation on cost and your decree that the wall needs to be 40 feet in height Pogo . I think that you and Charwin and most all the Anti Wall people are full of --it , not even honest conversation Pogo . --- What it would take to build Trump's border wall - CNN Video --- and as far as I am concerned the wall can cost 40 billion but i'll go by the number stated in the video which I think was 11 billion dollars . The roads exist as soon as the crew of men that is supplying the material to the wall builders build the roads which simply means that they will drive all terrain delivery truck into the desert Pogo . Its a good video , informative video and your specific mention of it just shows that you don't like people being informed Pogo . ------------ and the TRUMP and others are in the planning stage , the wall may be 25 feet high including the 5 feet underground which is more than sufficient Pogo .
